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KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« on: November 28, 2010, 08:55:53 pm »
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 09:00:53 pm »
The end of the "handshake" and the start of the transfer require different line states. Since both lines have to be pulled low, shouldn't that just be part of the handshake?
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 09:01:29 pm »
No, because the lines are pulled low by a different calculator.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 09:03:27 pm »
This might be a stupid question, but how does this third calculator connect to the other two if the sending and receiving calculators are connected by a cable?
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 09:04:14 pm »
No, it is done by the sending calculator.  They need to be aware of when each one is ready.  Keep in mind that the transfer portion of the protocol loops.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 09:06:55 pm »
Okay, that makes more sense.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 09:50:27 pm »
Looks really complicated.  I didn't check your math, but it sounds pretty good.  Why does this repeat 4 times though? What speeds can you get? When can I discuss usb with you?
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 09:52:39 pm »
It repeats four times per byte because I can only send two bits at a time.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 09:53:09 pm »
Quote from: SirCmpwn on November 28, 2010, 09:52:39 pm
It repeats four times per byte because I can only send two bits at a time.
Oh, that's right. That's the whole shifting mess.  Okay, I get it.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 09:59:34 pm »
But, this protocol doesn't work at all because "pulling the lines high" is not possible. You can stop holding the lines low, but you cannot force them high if the other calc is holding them low.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 10:09:53 pm »
Quote from: calc84maniac on November 28, 2010, 09:59:34 pm
But, this protocol doesn't work at all because "pulling the lines high" is not possible. You can stop holding the lines low, but you cannot force them high if the other calc is holding them low.
Oh, that's because of the pull-up resistors, isn't it. Forgot about that.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2010, 10:17:08 pm »
What do you mean by "holding them low?".  I thought that both sides read the last value written on either side.  If that is true, that is all that really matters, no?
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2010, 10:19:40 pm »
Quote from: SirCmpwn on November 28, 2010, 10:17:08 pm
What do you mean by "holding them low?".  I thought that both sides read the last value written on either side.  If that is true, that is all that really matters, no?
My guess is that one calc is going to have to mess with one line, and the other, with the other. So calc A messes with Line A and calc B with line B.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2010, 10:22:06 pm »
I thought I made this clear on IRC. If either calculator is holding the line low, the line is low. If neither is holding it low, the line is high. The calculator will continue to hold a line low until you tell it to release.
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Re: KnightOS Transfer Protocol
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2010, 10:23:01 pm »
Okay, so I write 1 to port 0 and it stays that way until I write 0?
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