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Omnimaga => Our Projects => Ndless => Topic started by: nspireguy on January 24, 2014, 09:09:18 am
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hi my name is Taylor and i was wondering if any body knows anything about
ndless 3.2! :D
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Yes : it doesn't exist ;D
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it does not exist yet but they are working on it :D
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That wouldn't make any sense as OS 3.6 is out now.
So wait for ndless 3.6 instead :P
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but 3.2 is next :)
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Yes but I think they try to follow the numbering of TI OSes to avoid confusion now. Else people might think that Ndless 3.2 is for OS 3.2, not 3.6.
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oh. that would make seince!
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does any1 know win this is estimated to be out?
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does any1 know win this is estimated to be out?
It will be finished when it is finished. Making this is not an easy task.
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Nobody knows that. All you can do is wait until it comes or try and help out yourself if you can :)
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It can't really be predicted. Ndless works by exploiting a glitch (or multple glitches) to be able to run 3rd-party assembly code. It's impossible to predict when (and if) such glitches are found. And with TI trying to lock down the Nspire series more and more, it may still take a while? And sadly there is always the chance that TI eventually won and then Ndless will be impossible on all new Nspire models.
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why does ti hate us? if they made some progs with/for ndless they could make a lot of $$$
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The main reason I think is because ndless also opens the way to cheating. Allowing ndless could cause the nspire becoming disallowed on exams and TI would lose a part of their income.
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Jup, native code execution on an RTOS means unprotected access to the hardware and therefore the whole system.
If they had a "real" OS such as windows ce or linux on it it would be perfectly doable to implement a very secure system.
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The main reason I think is because ndless also opens the way to cheating. Allowing ndless could cause the nspire becoming disallowed on exams and TI would lose a part of their income.
It's already happened, and I don't see the calculator being banned from any tests.
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I think the issue is how powerful the Nspire is compared to older models, allowing easier cheating in TI's mind, or maybe some schools banned every calc except the TI-Nspire and TI wanted to take no chance.
I don't think the calc ban due to games argument works, because if schools banned calcs due to games being a distraction, they would have done so at least 15 years ago, plus it's not like as many people play calc games as they did back then (due to mobile devices), so I doubt that games in classes are as big of an issue as they were a few years ago.
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i wish that they could just cooperate...
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does anzbody kno if there is ganna be any new fetures for the new ndless?
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Yes, it'll run on OS 3.6 :P
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anything els?
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I doubt it. Its only goal is to run on the latest possible OS version. Of course, however, around 24 hours after Ndless 3.2 (or 3.6?) comes out, TI will release OS 3.7 or 3.9 and it will block it again >.<, so hopefully we can once again convince as many users as possible to not upgrade further than OS 3.6.
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@DJ Omnimaga: I'm not sure of that, this fortunately hasn't been true in the past.
@nspireguy: no major feature is planned except an slightly easier installation procedure. Is there anything you are excepting in this version?
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@ExtendeD im not really sure. mabey more (diffrent) file support.so we can make/run more programs? do u think it will open up new oppertunities???
@DJ Omnimaga: well we can always keep our fingers crossed... and thanks for the info. :D
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@ExtendeD im not really sure. mabey more (diffrent) file support.so we can make/run more programs? do u think it will open up new oppertunities???
Huh? What do you mean by "more (different) file support"?
A USB driver interface for device mode would be a nice feature, but probably even more work than host mode.
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@Vogtinator: i mean so we can run more file extensions!!!!!
i konw this is a dumb question but whats a usb driver interface and what would that do on a nspire ???
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@Vogtinator: i mean so we can run more file extensions!!!!!
ndless.cnf.tns has support for file extensions, there just has to be a program to open the file.
i konw this is a dumb question but whats a usb driver interface and what would that do on a nspire ???
It would be needed (at least it'd make it easier) to write a driver for communication between calc + PC (via USB) and there are many ways this could be useful. Think of MTP or USB serial. No special driver on the PC needed, just plug in and access the files. Or calc + calc communication (multiplayer games?).
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@Vogtinator: that would be amazing!!!
would that allow internet of some sort? And we could play >1 playyer games!!! is this being planed???
ps. what els could we do?
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@DJ Omnimaga: I'm not sure of that, this fortunately hasn't been true in the past.
@nspireguy: no major feature is planned except an slightly easier installation procedure. Is there anything you are excepting in this version?
Yeah I was kidding lol. It usually takes longer, but TI usually spends most of their efforts blocking Ndless rather than fixing the OS bugs. :P
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@Vogtinator: that would be amazing!!!
would that allow internet of some sort? And we could play >1 playyer games!!! is this being planed???
ps. what els could we do?
I like the trend of this topic. Keep asking questions, there are a lot of people who are afraid tocome ask what you've been asking!
Short story: Internet is hard to do with this device, but it's possible, has been done, and with work could be a beautiful project.
Long story:
Internet on the nspire (via a wifi module) is, besides being slightly impractical because there are already less powerful systems that are capable of supporting and are intended to support internet, something that wouldn't actually be ridiculous or super difficult to implement! That sort of thing has already been done via Linux (which I still haven't actually tried hard enough t get working on my calc) but the only problem is how limited the internet is nowadays without the suppoprt of programs that support the standard of graphics and interactivity expected for use of the internet. So, it'd allow you to have limited access, but you could certainly not play online browser games of any sort of substantial caliber.
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@Dapainokid: ya i think its good to ask questions :D
do you know if its posseble to make a flash player? (4 online vids?(youtube?)) thx!
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No. Flash is a closed, proprietary format, and the best free software player is Gnash. Probably would consume a lot of resources on a low-spec device like this.
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oh well. but we could still do alot lot of cool stuff, right?
...and thanks 4 the info!!!
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YES!!! ITS OUT!! Now everyone can use ndless3.6!!! The only thing i dont like is that its not reboot proof.
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It is reboot proof if you have an old enough hardware revision and if you use nlaunchy 2.4.
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oh. is that because it will automaticly installs it if you have the ndless_resourses on calc?
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Yes, that's right. You don't need the ndless_installer.
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does ndless 3.6 work on OS3.1?
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I doubt it. There are different "loop-holes" that are used for both os's.
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Nope. Many things (including syscall addresses) are OS version-specific.
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Indeed. One clue that can indicate that is the fact 3.6 isn't reboot-proof (kinda like OS 1.1). I think only 1 Ndless version worked on multiple OSes and it was Ndless 2.0. It ran on OS 1.7, 2.0.1 and 2.1, but not on 2.0. I think 2.0 support was intentionally left out as a way to discourage using OS 2.0 because that OS was dangerous and could permanently damage click/touchpad calcs in ways similar to OS 3.0.1, but not as bad.