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Title: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 12:25:46 am
UPDATE (11:35 PM): HAPPY APRIL FOOLS DAY EVERYONE!
Yes, this was a joke. Please do not contact TI about this OS. It was a copy of 2.55MP modified by ThePenguin77. TI has never made a 2.71MP OS. Use this patch by ThePenguin77 (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7456.0;attach=7032) to modify your OS 2.55MP if you want to see how 2.71MP was.


Earlier this evening, ThePenguin77 went on TI Education website to download a copy of TI-84 Plus OS 2.55MP to test his video player, but he was instead greeted with OS 2.71MP:

(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271mp.png)
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271mp1.png) (http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271mp2.png)

Later when he informed (http://ourl.ca/10039) some Omnimaga users about it, it was mysteriously gone from TI website and the OS copy available for download was 2.55MP again. SirCmpwn then checked his automatic OS download script folder and he found 6 OS copies that had a different file size, so he figured out after ThePenguin77 post that for about an hour, TI had replaced OS 2.55MP with 2.71MP on their site. After ThePenguin77 returned online, I got a copy and tested it. We preferred to not distribute copies until now so we don't get flooded by requests while we test stuff and I post an announcement.

With this large version number increase and the arrival of the TI-Nspire CX, we initially thought that TI added many new features to bridge the gap between the TI-84 Plus and the TI-Nspire, or fix many bugs, such as ERR:VERSION and BAD ADDRESS, but this was not the case. All that seemed to have changed was the replacement of the keypad shortcut message with a TI-Nspire CX ad:
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271mp3.png)

Afterward, we started to feel there was something suspicious behind this OS after I ran into errors while trying to run one of my hybrid BASIC game and apps. Well... guess what? There is!

First of all, the Asm(), AsmComp() and AsmPrgm commands have all been removed from the CATALOG menu, which means that no more assembly programs can be launched from the home screen! When sending files containing this command to a calculator using OS 2.71MP, these tokens changes to question marks. Say goodbye to Ion, no-stub games and many BASIC games relying on ASM program files.

(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271mp4.png)

Also, it seems that they installed some sort of protection against third-party (or unofficial?) applications, as the ones I have tried (such as Doors CS7 or TI-Boy SE) no longer run at all on the calculator. Instead, we got an ERR:INVALID message. I tried a full memory reset and an OS re-install, to no avail. Only the TI apps I had seemed to run anymore.

(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271mpapprunning.gif)

So it looks like that TI is now trying to lock down the TI-84 Plus too!

Now on the TI-BASIC programming side, they did not remove any command other than the ASM program launching one, but those who thought that MathPrint slowed down Output() and Disp commands have seen nothing: With 2.71MP, they're even slower, even with MathPrint disabled!

(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271newOShomescreenslownesstest1.gif) (http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271newOShomescreenslownesstest2.gif)

To make matter worse, as you can see in the screenshot to the right, it seems that we can no longer use Output() on the 8th character row (like on Casio calculators, which reserved that row for menus)! Here's a comparison of how a BASIC home screen game will run between OS 2.55MP and 2.71MP, both with MathPrint disabled:
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271normalHGPtest.gif) (http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/271newOSHGPtest.gif)
 
Basically, almost every game in the Omnimaga archives will not run on OS 2.71MP!

Also ThePenguin77 reported a few crashes while using the OS. This probably means that this OS is not in final stage and that TI released it by mistake earlier. Hopefully the final version won't be as slow and buggy, but the removal of no-stub assembly and what seems to be a protection against third-party Flash APPS were definitively intentionally added, confirming Texas Instruments position regarding hobbyist programmers. It also could be an attempt to make people switch to the TI-Nspire by making the 84+ more limited on purpose, since they mention on their website that the TI-Nspire includes a dedicated programming environment as well as programming libraries for global access to user-defined functions & programs (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_cx.html?bid=5).

There is only one good news about this OS: It doesn't contain any anti-downgrade protection, so you can simply re-install an older OS and your calculator should be fine again. However, we beg that all of you hurry up and download a copy of OS 2.55MP (or 2.43) from TI website as soon as possible for backup purposes, in case when TI releases this OS, they decide to remove all older versions from their server.

Although we normally do not post copyrighted material on our website, we feel that it is in our best interest to warn the TI community about their actions against us, so we decided to put a copy of the OS online for now:

<FILE REMOVED. This was a joke anyway and we don't want copyright issues. :P>

As always, we recommend that you backup your calculator content before trying this new OS!

Hopefully the TI community will remedy to the ASM problem with patches when the final version of 2.71MP comes out, but there still remains the fact that many people will probably end up with 2.71MP pre-installed when buying a new calculator, and that they might take a long while to figure out where to find patches or an older OS. Texas Instruments has definitively reached an all-time low.

UPDATE (9:10 PM): ThePenguin77 has released a patch that gets rid of the many quirks in this OS, in case eventually someone would get forced to upgrade by his teacher, assuming the OS comes out as it is later. Here is the download link. (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7469.0;attach=7024)


UPDATE (11:35 PM): HAPPY APRIL FOOLS DAY EVERYONE!
Yes, this was a joke. Please do not contact TI about this OS. It was a copy of 2.55MP modified by ThePenguin77. TI has never made a 2.71MP OS. Use this patch by ThePenguin77 (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7456.0;attach=7032) to modify your OS 2.55MP if you want to see how 2.71MP was.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 12:31:14 am
 :mad: Absolutely terrible! How can they do such a thing?
 :'(

RIP: TI-83 +
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Hot_Dog on April 01, 2011, 12:32:38 am
Wha...wha...what???

WHHATTT?

They'd better fix this soon!  Otherwise this is the last straw!

Ndless for the Ti-84+, anyone?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:33:01 am
If the OS has added no additional features, we don't have to worry. Does your teacher now require you use 2.71 specifically? Take up Critor on his offer to release the so-called version 3.0.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Juju on April 01, 2011, 12:33:22 am
Yep, this is the worst OS I have ever seen. Hope it will be better with the final version. If there is one.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
I'm trying it in wabbitemu, and the third-party apps work...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
There's no need for Ndless. We have the OS signing keys. Furthermore, we can factor any new keys TI decides to use.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 12:35:35 am
I am in shock.
Even worse, this breaks Axe.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Silver Shadow on April 01, 2011, 12:36:29 am
Quote from: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
There's no need for Ndless. We have the OS signing keys. Furthermore, we can factor any new keys TI decides to use.
Unless they somehow manage to make it a higher bit security... :S

I HATE YOU TI!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Hot_Dog on April 01, 2011, 12:37:20 am
Quote from: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
I'm trying it in wabbitemu, and the third-party apps work...

 Have you tested it on your TI-84+?  Wabbitemu does have errors
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: leafy on April 01, 2011, 12:37:36 am
That output slowdown seems really bad.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Silver Shadow on April 01, 2011, 12:39:05 am
I propose to publish RunOS just to piss them off.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:39:43 am
I was able to run Axe to compile, but even after installing CalcUtil it throws an ERR:SYNTAX when I try to run it from the homescreen.

I was able to run it from Mirage tho. (DCS7 threw the invalid error)

Maybe if the apps are above a certain number of pages...?

Quote from: Hot_Dog on April 01, 2011, 12:37:20 am
Quote from: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
I'm trying it in wabbitemu, and the third-party apps work...

 Have you tested it on your TI-84+?  Wabbitemu does have errors
No, 2.55 crashed enough times in the one night I tried using it, and this version seems worse

Solution: Don't upgrade :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: c.sprinkle on April 01, 2011, 12:39:52 am
HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US?!?!?!?!

Sadly, I had been wondering if they would try this on the 84 series.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:40:48 am
That won't help. But it might not hurt, either, considering that Brandon got away with Chameleon.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 12:41:14 am
!_!/me is crying herself to sleep tonight
BatLib doesn't work in this version and causes a crash. I wonder if parser hooks are no longer allowed !_!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Silver Shadow on April 01, 2011, 12:41:21 am
Quote from: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:39:43 am
I was able to run Axe to compile, but even after installing CalcUtil it throws an ERR:SYNTAX when I try to run it from the homescreen.

I was able to run it from Mirage tho. (DCS7 threw the invalid error)

Maybe if the apps are above a certain number of pages...?

Quote from: Hot_Dog on April 01, 2011, 12:37:20 am
Quote from: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
I'm trying it in wabbitemu, and the third-party apps work...

 Have you tested it on your TI-84+?  Wabbitemu does have errors
No, 2.55 crashed enough times in the one night I tried using it, and this version seems worse :P

They removed asm, remember?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: leafy on April 01, 2011, 12:41:43 am
The crap TI is pulling on us is beyond belief >.<
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Hot_Dog on April 01, 2011, 12:42:43 am
Quote from: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 12:41:14 am
!_!/me is crying herself to sleep tonight

/me gives Xeda 2 chocolate-chip cookies, some milk and a hug to try to cheer her up
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:42:45 am
Quote from: Silver Shadow on April 01, 2011, 12:41:21 am
They removed asm, remember?
Yes, I got that, but calcutil doesn't use the asm( token ;)
I guess you could compare it with that feature dcs has, "home run" iirc
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:43:07 am
But what about appvars? And I point out that the OS chooses which applications to keep when clearing memory for Signapore (where ever that is) by name. There's nothing to prevent us from renaming MirageOS to Espanol.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 12:44:41 am
Quote from: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:33:57 am
I'm trying it in wabbitemu, and the third-party apps work...
Erm this is weird. ??? Could someone give some other apps a try? Personally I know the video player fails, DCS7 fails, TI-Boy SE fails (although it wouldn't even run further on my calc anyway due to no extra RAM) and same for Chips Challenge.

Thankfully, if this comes out for real, people could simply keep copies of 2.43 to 2.55MP around or make patches for 2.71MP, but when you buy a 84+, you don't get given a link to these patches. This could definitively reduce our audience in long terms. :/

On a better note, anti-downgrade protections are impossible on the z80 line, so you can downgrade to any other OS fine (I tried). If it fails, just force an OS re-install request with ON+DEL while putting back a battery in.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:44:52 am
Quote from: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:43:07 am
But what about appvars? And I point out that the OS chooses which applications to keep when clearing memory for Signapore (where ever that is) by name. There's nothing to prevent us from renaming MirageOS to Espanol.
I compiled Tio, which uses a level which is an appvar, if that's what you're talking about.

DJ, I think I've made a sort of connection...maybe apps over two pages won't run? [/speculation]
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 12:45:02 am
My eyes are glued open in shock. I am dead serious. If this is what TI is planning to release, then...I don't know what should be done about it. This is horrible.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 12:45:44 am
Thank you Hot_Dog :)
Verified that MirageOS will run programs. Maybe all hooks are disabled, though. That is what I am thinking...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:46:55 am
DJ_O: Downgrade prevention is impossible now, but TI could release a new boot code with it, storing the downgrade protection information in the certificate. (Invariably, that boot code patch will not fix the exploit BrandonW found.) Of course, old units would be immune, but it would still cause problems for us.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 12:48:47 am
Oh, right. X.x That would suck. Do you think it could eventually be circumventable easily if that happened? I'm not very familiar with that technical stuff.

Well... now I know why this OS file was slightly smaller than the 2.55MP one...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Hot_Dog on April 01, 2011, 12:49:21 am
Apparently Correlation doesn't work on this OS...drat...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: leafy on April 01, 2011, 12:49:52 am
The only way they could have made it run this crappily is if they wanted it to be crap. Iono, if TI doesn't end up uploading it no problems, but the alternative is horrifying.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:50:15 am
DJ_O: Like I said, TI probably hasn't gotten the memo on the boot code exploit. If they try to store downgrade protection in the certificate, they'd have to fix the exploit too, or we could simply erase the certificate.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:51:57 am
Apps that work:
Calcsys
Graph3
Calcutil
MirageOS
Axe

Apps that don't work:
Krolypto (crashed upon password entry)
DCS

Will keep trying more
Crashed scrolling down the apps menu, crashed every time it's turned on even after debug > reset.  Now it refuses to respond to any keypresses./me closes wabbit
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 12:53:11 am
Ah ok, sorry I didn't get that part. I guess that's good to keep some stuff not too public.

Darl181 on Krolypto did you get an ERR:INVALID or did it just crash? I don't remember if that one was even tested at all on any MP OS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: SirCmpwn on April 01, 2011, 12:53:49 am
This is just horrendous... I'm awestruck at TI, I never thought they'd follow through on trying to bring down the community, but this seems like the first step.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 12:54:06 am
I installed it, put in a password, and set it to password protect upon startup.
Turned off, turned back on, entered password, hit enter, bam.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 12:56:32 am
Hmm, Graph3 froze on me x.x It worked for a little while and when I tried to exit to the homescreen, it just froze !_!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 12:56:40 am
I know that as the TI community (or anti-TI community), we can find exploits.  There is a big problem in that this new os will make it harder for newcomers to install games.  If newcomers are not able to play games, fewer will be inspired to write games.  If this trend continues, the TI Community will vanish into thin air.  :(

Today is one of the saddest days in Z80 history.  :'(
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Eeems on April 01, 2011, 12:57:31 am
Wow this is upsetting. I can't believe TI did this :/
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 12:59:32 am
The more I read this, the worse I feel. I think I'm crying myself to sleep tonight, too.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 01:01:20 am
's okay Freyaday !_! It's okay to cry when something so sad has happened. I think Brie (my calc) is going to cry when I break the news to her.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 01:05:46 am
September (my calc) is quaking in fear atm, and my shaky reassurances aren't helping her in the slightest.

Edit: some good news About Sen. Giffords has cheered me up a bit.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 01:10:48 am
[offtopic] Oh, how is the senator?[/offtopic]
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Michael_Lee on April 01, 2011, 01:14:10 am
..............





I take solace in the fact that this was pulled almost immediately after it was posted to TI's website.  Maybe this is all just a horrible mistake.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 01:19:16 am
I hope, although I don't think they would go through the process of removing the ASM commands during a mistake x.x. My bet is that they planned the removal of ASM support and updated code, but the OS still had some bugs and they wanted to wait before releasing it, but someone didn't listen and put it online anyway. The ASM stuff seems intentional, while I am not as sure about the TI-BASIC changes.

On a side note, OpenLib/ExecLib are still in CATALOG it seems. Could they be used to run ASM libs in some ways? (Unless in the final version they got removed too?)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 01:21:23 am
[offtopic]@Zeda: Better, appearently. They've introduced a bill in her honor that would increase (more like create) cell reception at the border, that way Border Patrol can communicate better.[/offtopic]
My brother, who isn't a programmer in the slightest, offers his condolences to the entire community and hopes we feel better soon.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 01:25:45 am
So, um, I managed to get BatLib up and working. For Hot_Dog, instead of using the bcall to set the parser hook, do this:

Code: [Select]
ld (9BACh),hl
 ld (9BAEh),a
 set 1,(iy+36h)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 01:29:28 am
So the OS is officially fucked, then?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 01:30:36 am
kinda. Just don't upgrade to it :)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 01:39:22 am
Xeda that's good to hear. Personally I am confident that the final version of that OS, assuming it comes out, will be much better stability-wise. However that doesn't change the fact the ASM stuff was intentionally removed from the current copy...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 01:50:29 am
So, TI's officially screwed.
If this is what's next, they're officially dead to us, and us to them.
On the other hand, if this was an accident, then how on Earth did this happen, and why on Earth are they trying to make like it never happened? A simple
"Due to a[n] [insert type here] error, a faulty OS was accidentally uploaded to the website. It has been removed and the matter is being looked into. We deeply regret any inconveniences this may have caused."
would make us all feel better.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Dingus on April 01, 2011, 01:51:43 am
Sounds like one of our beloved teachers complained to TI that someone put a game on a school owned 84 and TI is getting ready to make that horrible crime impossible.   
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 01:57:44 am
I wonder what will happen with the regular 83+? They haven't released any OS updates for it for a long while.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 02:11:58 am
Wow, they've really managed to make Output slow. I wonder how they managed that?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 02:17:47 am
Black magic.
No other possible way. I don't know if even I could make a display routine that slow.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 02:30:31 am
Quote from: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 02:11:58 am
Wow, they've really managed to make Output slow. I wonder how they managed that?
(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7456.0;attach=7000;image)
O.O I didn't realize it was that slow. This is even worse than The Reign of Legends map loading speed.

On a side note this is the only one of my games I could get to work properly so far, in my pure-BASIC material. Even the TI-81 version isn't close from being this slow X.x
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: FloppusMaximus on April 01, 2011, 02:38:01 am
Well, if this really is what future 84+ OSes are going to look like... that really sucks.  Still, it's not as if they can force people to upgrade.
My hat's off to whoever did this.  The random crashing is a nice touch.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 01, 2011, 02:41:02 am
THIS IS AWFULL!! Maybe I should stick only to the 68k calcs.
But it isn't release yet officially, right?
If we complain to TI now very much, they might be able to add all the stuff back.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Goplat on April 01, 2011, 02:46:01 am
I'm seeing a lot of RAM clears even without doing anything fancy. One time I tried to clear the screen and I got this. Singapore? WTF?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 02:52:07 am
Quote from: FloppusMaximus on April 01, 2011, 02:38:01 am
Well, if this really is what future 84+ OSes are going to look like... that really sucks.  Still, it's not as if they can force people to upgrade.
Yeah true, plus it will still be possible to install a patch from a 1-2 page app for those who are forced to upgrade at school for any reason. (we never know with some teachers)

Quote from: Goplat on April 01, 2011, 02:46:01 am
I'm seeing a lot of RAM clears even without doing anything fancy. One time I tried to clear the screen and I got this. Singapore? WTF?
(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7456.0;attach=7002;image)
Lolwut? Is it even POSSIBLE to get this screen on another MP OS? XD
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 02:56:15 am
On OS 2.43, turn off your calculator, hold 2+8, and then turn it on. That functionality is old news.

Edit: Clearing memory for Signapore/Singapore deletes all applications except the localization applications. (The OS only checks the name, so you could rename MirageOS to Espanol, and it would be kept.)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 02:57:31 am
Ah ok, thanks for the info. I just didn't remember "for Singapore" appearing in the Mem clear message. I guess I was without a TI-84 Plus model for far too long compared to the 83+/83+SE
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 03:13:49 am
Is there some sort of table with all these boot options on it?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 01, 2011, 03:15:14 am
I have a feeling they're gonna make the ti-nspire have more programming capabilities and this just less. And eventually make it impossible to downgrade?
Maybe someone's gotta contact TI before its too late.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: nitacku on April 01, 2011, 03:59:30 am
This is really silly on TI's part.

TI is really hurting its user base with this move.

Part of the functionality of the TI-84 is the ability to write useful programs to automate tasks.
By crippling the OS, this functionality is severely impaired.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Jim Bauwens on April 01, 2011, 04:21:53 am
Couldn't this be meant for the 84+ emulator on the current nspire?
Maybe they will add more programming functionalities to the CX, and take them from the nspire.

Whatever it is, I don't like it.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 04:48:59 am
We are just not gotta install 2.71 MP. This is so horrible!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Raylin on April 01, 2011, 05:05:29 am
Perhaps we can make their OS better.

I say, as a community, we should ban together and make TI's OS blazing fast.
Then, rerelease it as a new OS version.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: FinaleTI on April 01, 2011, 05:35:26 am
Quote from: Raylin on April 01, 2011, 05:05:29 am
Perhaps we can make their OS better.

I say, as a community, we should ban together and make TI's OS blazing fast.
Then, rerelease it as a new OS version.
It'd probably be waaay smaller too.

And wow. Really TI?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Yeong on April 01, 2011, 07:09:05 am
I'm still using OS2.43 XD
Screw new OS. Every OS sux after 2.43
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: turiqwalrus on April 01, 2011, 07:22:16 am
I actually agree with Yeong. TI tries to cut of even more programming capabilities every time they update :(
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: calcdude84se on April 01, 2011, 08:49:12 am
Interesting... hopefully TI never release this officially.
Nicely, we've already started to find workarounds :D
We can fix the broken portions and have something that's a lot like... 2.55MP, I guess.
Nothing to stop us from patching this like we can with all the other OS's (thanks to polypatch :))
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 08:53:38 am
Hehe, I've been having fun with it, actually :D It crashes a lot for no valid reason, but other than that, you can use an App to work around not being able to use asm programs and you can make code that performs bcalls to make a workaround :D  If this comes out, I am definitely going to work on a programming environment and language :D

Also, I couldn't sleep last night :( I still haven't told Brie...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 09:30:11 am
If TI publishes this OS, we should definitely organize a boycott of TI hardware, telling people to not buy the Nspire. If they're trying to get Nspire sales, we hit them where it hurts--in the Nspire sales.

Perhaps this was TI's idea of an April Fools joke?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 09:33:29 am
Woah This is AWEFUL.

I guess it's the last thing I can stand from TI... (if they release it)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 09:38:53 am
I'm right there with you, Scout. We should really message TI and threaten to organize a boycott of the Nspire if they kill asm support in the 84+ models.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 09:40:13 am
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 09:38:53 am
I'm right there with you, Scout. We should really message TI and threaten to organize a boycott of the Nspire if they kill asm support in the 84+ models.

How would such boycott work though?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 09:46:21 am
Lets talk about goals. If TI seriously plans on releasing this, they are advertising the Nspire. It is more expensive than the 84+ or the other z80 calcs. With this OS, TI would be forcing people to consider the Nspire and move away from the 84+ models.

Boycotting the Nspire would hurt TI and force them to give up their war with us. With people abandoning the 84 because of TI's antics, and people abandoning the Nspire because of the boycott, TI would see a staggering loss, since their z80 models are their highest selling models and the Nspire is the most expensive model. If we gathered enough support, it could be very effective.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 01, 2011, 10:08:30 am
Aaagh!! If we all contact ti and say that we'll never buy a ti calc in our lives again if they release this it might work.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 10:10:57 am
I'm getting pretty good at this. Here are the Err:Bad Address and Err:Version fixes. Run it through mirage.

Though I doubt anyone will keep this on their calculator long enough to run into these problems...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 01, 2011, 10:31:01 am
This is sad. Just sad. If they are going to destory their user base, they are only destroying themselves.

However, I have two other possible explanations for this:
- It's an April Fool's prank. They posted up that OS to creep the heck out of us.
- It's some madman's last day at work (kind of like with the original cover of The Little Mermaid, where the designer hid porn on it).

However, the other thing to think about is that the 83/84 Plus line was really the only line to include native ASM support. If they remove it in this version, we'll hack the system, just like we did with the 85, 82, 83, and 86.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 10:37:28 am
Sorry for wasting an entire flash page, but here is an app that will run DCS for all those die hards out there.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 11:42:03 am
Installing hooks by writing directly to the relevant memory locations still works, so DCS itself should install a hook to run itself.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 11:56:33 am
I contacted TI this morning. This is what I got:

Quote
Anthony,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments regarding our TI-84 Plus product line.

There have been no official software upgrades recently. The current calculator software for the TI-84 Plus is version 2.55 MP, which you can download here.

However, there was a mistaken update yesterday afternoon involving a new operating system. The update was removed immediately, as the new software is still not ready to be released. This may be the cause of your confusion.

Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest Regards,

Doug Fincher
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:04:18 pm
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 11:56:33 am
Quote
[T]he new software is still not ready to be released.
That's a hilarious understatement.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Happybobjr on April 01, 2011, 12:10:50 pm
Quote
Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

Has their knowledge base ever helped us?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:12:30 pm
I think, years ago, when TI actually supported programming, it did.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 12:12:37 pm
Yes, it helped us to realize how unhelpful it is.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: willrandship on April 01, 2011, 12:12:58 pm
Also, the real problem with a boycott is this: We're a minority. Most people who buy they're calcs don't know what programming is. They will still buy it regardless.

I hope this doesn't mean this is for Nspire OS 3.0.....I was looking forward to some 3D graphing, but now I'm not so sure, unless they seriously improve the nspire's programming.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Broseph Radson on April 01, 2011, 12:13:35 pm
The whole "For Singapore" thing and the CX ads make me think that someone at TI uploaded this as a joke.

Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 12:15:34 pm
A boycott is pointless for the same reason that $20 worth of hardware can be sold for $120: the people that create the demand for graphing calculator (educators) are not the people who buy them (students). That is probably also why TI stopped supporting programming. They realized that what we think can't affect their sales. Students will buy their product as long as teachers require it. And that's all they care about.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: willrandship on April 01, 2011, 12:21:31 pm
My point exactly. I wish it wasn't true, but it is. The only way around it would be to intentionally do something truly destructive, ignoring DMCAs and the like, such as releasing a CAS for the 83+, posting it on many, many website (ala nDoom) and then all we'd accomplish is getting the 84+ kicked off the ACT.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 12:32:04 pm
At least the representative acknowledged that was real. 
This is still inexcusable.  :(
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 12:49:19 pm
Wow. If this isn't an April Fools Day joke, it really sucks for those who like to have the newest OS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Dingus on April 01, 2011, 01:17:07 pm
The Prizm is a really nice alternative to the nspire and if we talk up the Prizm to teachers that can work because the Prizm is more cost effective (costs less).  Teachers can't be to happy that TI sold them grayscale nspires while TI was planning to obsolete those gray scale models with the cx color screen model.  Is TI going to use that Os in the future?  That worries me.   I think TI was testing the developer community to see what we would do if they locked down the 84.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 01:32:49 pm
Is it still possible to download OS 2.43? Did not know, I cant find it on their site.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Ashbad on April 01, 2011, 01:41:18 pm
So, who still thinks that TI programs their OS's better than Casio? ...

It is april fools day, by the way.  Maybe this is a cruel joke?  I know it isn't, but i'll give them one chance, though they don't even deserve that.

I think this justifies all rages/rants against TI forever.  I personally will warn everyone on TI's facebook page never to buy a TI-calc, send letters to schools asking for teachers to consider the cheap, new casio prizm, and demand a channel of communication between this community and a top level TI-Education CEO.

I think that if we PRESS HARD, we can get to a top level executive in a matter of time.  This ruined my perfect day.

FUCK TI.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Aichi on April 01, 2011, 01:46:04 pm
Damn, this must be an april fools joke. :|
However, don't forget that TI procuces calcs for school rather than gaming calcs (unfortunately ;D). The TI OS includes everthing that school calcs have to be able to do by itself. There isn't any 3rd party feature required to work at schools and you all probably know how addictive calc games can become. :P
This OS is crap, though, I hope it becomes clarified soon, did anyone contact TI?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Ashbad on April 01, 2011, 01:47:09 pm
I will when I get home.

And right now.

And every 3 hours until this is fixed.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 01:51:58 pm
I am more and more thinking of an April's fools day.
- It is not too hard to change "press f1-f4 to locate shortcut menus" to "have you seen nspire CX?"
- E-mails sent to TI usually take ~48 hour for a reply
- If something sounds too good (bad) to be true, it usually is not true.

What do you think about it?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 01:58:39 pm
Another message from TI:

Quote
Anthony,

Sorry for emailing you again, but I have been notified by colleagues that the new software (version 2.71 MP) which was accidentally posted is very unstable and may cause permanent damage to your calculator.

If you are able, please remove the operating system from your calculator immediately. If you are unsure how to do so, feel free to send me another email.

Warmest Regards,

Doug Fincher
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 02:00:31 pm
Quote from: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 01:51:58 pm
I am more and more thinking of an April's fools day.
- It is not too hard to change "press f1-f4 to locate shortcut menus" to "have you seen nspire CX?"
- E-mails sent to TI usually take ~48 hour for a reply
- If something sounds too good (bad) to be true, it usually is not true.

What do you think about it?

I think it's true.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 02:15:40 pm
If it had happened any other day of the year, I would believe it. But crazy news articles on April 1st are pretty hard to believe, no matter what the story.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:16:10 pm
I dont think it is. and you dont too, now, according to IRC :)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 02:16:39 pm
Quote
<Scout> Guys, DJ would never allow anyone from Omnimaga to upload a TI OS. I once uploaded apps from people at ticalc.org and all of them were removed from attachments.
<OmnomIRC> <aeTIos> you are right. and now, he EVEN UPLOADED THEM HIMSELF O.O unbelieveable
<JosJuice> Yeah
<Scout> At 00:002
<Scout> 00:02*
It's too suspicious.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 02:17:00 pm
I still think this is TI's idea of a sick joke.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:17:55 pm
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 01:58:39 pm
Another message from TI:

Quote
Anthony,

Sorry for emailing you again, but I have been notified by colleagues that the new software (version 2.71 MP) which was accidentally posted is very unstable and may cause permanent damage to your calculator.

If you are able, please remove the operating system from your calculator immediately. If you are unsure how to do so, feel free to send me another email.

Warmest Regards,

Doug Fincher
SORRY FOR DOUBLE-POSTING, this is too important.
WOW it even was not a double-post.
ACagliano, you are even making this more unbelieveable. TI would NEVER e-mail you 2 times.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 02:19:33 pm
Quote from: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:17:55 pm
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 01:58:39 pm
Another message from TI:

Quote
Anthony,

Sorry for emailing you again, but I have been notified by colleagues that the new software (version 2.71 MP) which was accidentally posted is very unstable and may cause permanent damage to your calculator.

If you are able, please remove the operating system from your calculator immediately. If you are unsure how to do so, feel free to send me another email.

Warmest Regards,

Doug Fincher
SORRY FOR DOUBLE-POSTING, this is too important.
WOW it even was not a double-post.
ACagliano, you are even making this more unbelieveable. TI would NEVER e-mail you 2 times.

Even more shocking to me. I agree.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 02:19:52 pm
@ACagliano, you should ask them how to remove the os from your calculator.  :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 02:20:20 pm
Quote from: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 02:19:52 pm
@ACagliano, you should ask them how to remove the os from your calculator.  :P

lol. I totally would :p
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 02:22:50 pm
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 02:17:00 pm
I still think this is TI's idea of a sick joke.

I think it's Omnimaga's idea of a sick joke. :D
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:23:12 pm
True.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Madskillz on April 01, 2011, 02:27:41 pm
April fools...you guys almost had be going for a sec.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 02:46:31 pm
@Madskillz I don't think this is an April Fools Joke. :\
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:47:46 pm
I think it is. lets wait how this turns out!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 02:49:13 pm
Quote from: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:47:46 pm
I think it is. lets wait how this turns out!

If it is, then DJ, thepenguin and all the others who participated on this must be laughing like hell right now.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:50:49 pm
yeah, sure. their respect would dive with at least 10, actually >:D I wonder where DJ is... he's  usually online at this time.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 02:51:36 pm
I'm sure they are laughing.

Speaking of April Fools jokes, I just got a bag of Cheetos in my lunch that had been filled with carrots.  :hyper:
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:51:52 pm
HAHA
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 02:53:17 pm
Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 02:51:36 pm
I'm sure they are laughing.

Speaking of April Fools jokes, I just got a bag of Cheetos in my lunch that had been filled with carrots.  :hyper:

now that's funny. are u sure TI didn't pack ur lunch?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:53:51 pm
:P lol.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 02:56:52 pm
Quote
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 02:53:17 pm
Speaking of April Fools jokes, I just got a bag of Cheetos in my lunch that had been filled with carrots.  :hyper:

now that's funny. are u sure TI didn't pack ur lunch?

Nah, it wasn't TI because the Cheetos were packed in another bag at the bottom. TI would've just left two Cheetos in the original bag and filled the rest of the space with carrots.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: aeTIos on April 01, 2011, 02:57:25 pm
hehe. fun.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 01, 2011, 03:26:54 pm
I do not believe it is a joke. How could they fake the file? The answers of TI? If this IS a joke then I must say it was well though out of. And DJ_O reputation will rise.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Ashbad on April 01, 2011, 03:35:14 pm
I have no idea what's real today -- my French teacher said I had a 34% in her class (lie, she was grinning) even though yesterday I had a 92%, my dad said it's okay if I got an A minus in geometry this quarter (really creepy) and now this.

When will DJ log on?  Or at least someone who knows the truth?  This joke is actually somewhat sick in my mind -- I thought I really had to go buy a prizm to get the device of future calc programming today.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 03:35:16 pm
It's easy enough to modify an OS if you know what you are doing. They could write anything and say it was from TI.

Here in the US, if something crazy happens on April 1st, it is almost CERTAINLY a joke.

And yeah, it's a great joke. 9 pages of response so far... And no DJ_O to be seen. :D
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 03:39:06 pm
I dunno if y'all have noticed, but DJ hasn't been on much for the past few weeks. He usually gets on at night (EST), now, and only for a little while. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying real life for a few hours? Also, I am enjoying observing how some people react when they don't get what they want (or something less than desirable occurs) XD
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Ashbad on April 01, 2011, 03:40:15 pm
I'm sure DJ O is just in his real life right now, not laughing insanely or hiding.  Though, can't say the same for the others possibly involved :/
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 03:41:24 pm
I bet there is a developer at TI laughing, whether or not TI is involved :D
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 03:46:34 pm
To all who believe still believe this news article:

IT'S APRIL FOOLS DAY :D

You seriously believe ANY news articles today? Today is the day you're supposed to play pranks on people. A few years ago Google said they were going to colonize Mars. It was a very serious article, but posted on April 1st. :crazy:

Just play a prank on someone else today and continue the tradition! >:D
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Ashbad on April 01, 2011, 03:49:06 pm
I personally know that there is still a decent chance this is real.  It's easy to make the is yourself, but still, it seems too much like TI.

I still wont pick a side.  If its a Ike, I can only say I didn't really like it myself.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 03:51:07 pm
It is possible that it is real, but it's VERY VERY likely that it's a joke.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 01, 2011, 03:52:47 pm
Quote from: Xeda112358
I bet there is a developer at TI laughing, whether or not TI is involved :D

And all the rest are probably swearing, whether or not TI is involved.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 03:57:28 pm
Quote from: Deep Thought on April 01, 2011, 03:52:47 pm
Quote from: Xeda112358
I bet there is a developer at TI laughing, whether or not TI is involved :D

And all the rest are probably swearing, whether or not TI is involved.

Probably. Just imagine: "D***it, another angry kid complaining about something we didn't even do!".....

A great prank, really. It gets both us and TI.

Also, if it was real then wouldn't TI just leave it up and tell us programmers to get lost? I see no reason for them to remove a working OS update from their site. They didn't care about the downgrade protection in Nspire OS 2, they wouldn't care about the loss of programming on the 84.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 01, 2011, 03:59:11 pm
But they would care about all the bugs.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 04:01:26 pm
Yeah, Mike, that is the thing... it wasn't working :D It literally crashes for no reason, sometimes. I was typing in a number and it crashed, once x.x
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: turiqwalrus on April 01, 2011, 04:03:41 pm
Quote from: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 03:57:28 pm
Quote from: Deep Thought on April 01, 2011, 03:52:47 pm
Quote from: Xeda112358
I bet there is a developer at TI laughing, whether or not TI is involved :D

And all the rest are probably swearing, whether or not TI is involved.

Probably. Just imagine: "D***it, another angry kid complaining about something we didn't even do!".....

A great prank, really. It gets both us and TI.

Also, if it was real then wouldn't TI just leave it up and tell us programmers to get lost? I see no reason for them to remove a working OS update from their site. They didn't care about the downgrade protection in Nspire OS 2, they wouldn't care about the loss of programming on the 84.

but then they don't have an excuse to get people to stop complaining about the NSpire's programming
Quote
TI cares and all of that useless filler stuff.
We recommend that You switch to the 84+, as it is more oriented to programming...
more useless filler stuff. We are sorry for any inconveniences
regards, [insert TI staff here]
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 04:03:41 pm
IEEEEE! I really hope this isn't the future.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: mikehill2003 on April 01, 2011, 04:10:05 pm
Quote
TI cares and all of that useless filler stuff.
We recommend that You purchase the most expensive calc we make, as it someday may be more oriented to programming...
more useless filler stuff. We are sorry for any inconveniences
regards, [insert TI staff here]

Not any harder for them to say.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 04:27:06 pm
Quote from: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 09:38:53 am
I'm right there with you, Scout. We should really message TI and threaten to organize a boycott of the Nspire if they kill asm support in the 84+ models.
I'm unsure that would work. I think the best thing to do is to get teachers to promote the Prizm instead of the CX, or if TI really blocks ASM in the final version of this OS, the 84+ too.

However, it's gonna be impossible to hurt the calcs popularity at school I am pretty sure, so no matter if this comes out or not, I think people should still develop ASM/BASIC programs for the OS and try to advertise the eventual patches in all their programs.

Otherwise, another idea to smoothen the transition from 84+ to Prizm stuff: A TI-84 Plus emulator for the Casio Prizm. That way, people who wanted a 84+ to play games or code for it could simply try to find a ROM online and use the emulator. Else, to get rid of legal issues, someone could write a 8xp emulator for the Prizm so at least assembly and Axe games can somewhat be run.

And most importantly, keep OS 2.43 or 2.55MP copies around, in case.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: yunhua98 on April 01, 2011, 04:29:47 pm
I have 2.43 and 2.53MP on my thumb drive and computer.  I also have ROMs for them.  ;)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: tloz128 on April 01, 2011, 04:30:05 pm
You know, I'm really starting to not like TI for things like this.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Ashbad on April 01, 2011, 04:31:00 pm
And to think, the 84+ series was the only one I could trust of them..

Not anymore.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 04:34:40 pm
Well, to be honest, even if this was a joke, I still would have thought they could do this for real eventually, or simply discontinue the 84+ as soon as most people start getting the Nspire instead. In fact I've been a bit worried ever since OS 2.1 release.

I'm not gonna discourage myself from ever coding again on this calc because of this OS, but I lost trust in TI long ago.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 01, 2011, 04:35:49 pm
Yeah. Some management person has really lost their mind at TI, to order their developers to defile their own product like this.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: rcfreak0 on April 01, 2011, 04:58:53 pm
(http://www.gamesprays.com/images/icons/trollface-3078_preview.jpg)

In other news, the rick roll has been removed again from youtube due to Rick Astley losing money on it. Source. (http://bit.ly/4kb77v)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 05:05:58 pm
I second DJ's motion. Handle your 84+'s with care and be careful with your OS's. But continue to develop. Don't be discouraged. As long as we can still use 2.43 (I will always have a copy on hand, so that will be always), we win.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 05:08:51 pm
Quote from: rcfreak0 on April 01, 2011, 04:58:53 pm
(http://www.gamesprays.com/images/icons/trollface-3078_preview.jpg)

In other news, the rick roll has been removed again from youtube due to Rick Astley losing money on it. Source. (http://bit.ly/4kb77v)
Quite ironically, I was just watching the scaryroll video backwards now. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: rcfreak0 on April 01, 2011, 05:10:01 pm
haha nice :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 05:10:16 pm
Thanks a lot, rcfreak0. :P

So, has anyone found an exploit to run a nostub ASM program?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: rcfreak0 on April 01, 2011, 05:10:58 pm
Quote from: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 05:10:16 pm
Thanks a lot, rcfreak0. :P

So, has anyone found an exploit to run a nostub ASM program?
Anytime. :)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 05:12:35 pm
Quote from: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 05:10:16 pm
Thanks a lot, rcfreak0. :P

So, has anyone found an exploit to run a nostub ASM program?
I don't think so, but a few pages ago I think someone posted an app that can bypass the 2 pages limit thing to run DCS7 and other apps. Not sure, though. Besides that I bet the only way would be to do the same thing as Mallard for the TI-73 and Zshell for the TI-85, which involves sending an hacked backup of the RAM to the calc.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 05:12:35 pm
Yes... you can throw together some code for an APP to execute them :) I can see if I can put together something! I still haven't tested much, but I think I know of a few work arounds ^-^
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 05:16:23 pm
Does the DCS homerun hook work (in conjunction with the exploit to run DCS)?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 05:18:13 pm
Probably not. Hooks have been removed unless you manually use code to install them (instead of the bcall).
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 05:33:06 pm
Wait? Hooks got removed too? O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 06:21:12 pm
Quote
David,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

The latest OS for the TI-84 is version 2.55MP. There is not an OS version 2.71 on our website.

Did you know a great resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base? The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Best regards,

I don't want to read the other pages to check it, so this is really true?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: yunhua98 on April 01, 2011, 06:24:00 pm
who sent you this?  the other one was from Doug Fincher.  So either Doug was one of the originators of this joke, or the person writing your message doesn't know about it and it, as it was a mistake...  I vote #2, TI never informs their employees about everything.  XD.  :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 06:24:16 pm
They didn't quite answer your question. How did you phrase it?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 01, 2011, 06:25:19 pm
Quote
David,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

The latest OS for the TI-84 is version 2.55MP. There is not an OS version 2.71 on our website.

Did you know a great resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base? The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Best regards,

Jo Henderson
Texas Instruments
Email: [email protected]
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Technical Support: (972) 917-8324

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---- Original Message ----
Country: US
Name: David Gomes
Type of Service: NoneOfTheAbove
Computer Software Setup/Usage:
Product Group: GrphHH
Product: TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus Silver Edition
Purchase Time: 04/2011
Customer Type: EdCollege
Product Serial#:
Computer OS: Windows 7
Comments: In the TI Community it is said that an OS 2.71 MP for the 84+ was found in your archives somehow.

I was wondering if it is true.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 01, 2011, 06:26:10 pm
Quote from: Scout on April 01, 2011, 06:25:19 pm
Quote
David,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

The latest OS for the TI-84 is version 2.55MP. There is not an OS version 2.71 on our website.

Did you know a great resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base? The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Best regards,

Jo Henderson
Texas Instruments
Email: [email protected]
General Information: (800) 842-2737
Technical Support: (972) 917-8324

Let me know how I'm doing. Fill out our customer survey at: http://education.ti.com/us/supportsurvey

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---- Original Message ----
Country: US
Name: David Gomes
Type of Service: NoneOfTheAbove
Computer Software Setup/Usage:
Product Group: GrphHH
Product: TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus Silver Edition
Purchase Time: 04/2011
Customer Type: EdCollege
Product Serial#:
Computer OS: Windows 7
Comments: In the TI Community it is said that an OS 2.71 MP for the 84+ was found in your archives somehow.

I was wondering if it is true.

Thanks.

Typical TI, avoiding the question.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: yunhua98 on April 01, 2011, 06:26:27 pm
Just a tip, never mention the TI-Community when you email TI. :P  We're their sworn enemies.  XD
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 06:35:59 pm
But often they are not always informed anyway. It doesn't help that whatever this OS is, it was not even meant for release, and only remained online for like an hour (according to the fact Sir's script downloads a new OS copy every 10 minutes), so I have big doubts that anyone in their staff would know.

Personally I wouldn't even bother e-mailing TI unless you live in Belgium.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 06:36:42 pm
We wouldn't be their sworn enemies if they treated us right. :\
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 01, 2011, 06:37:13 pm
I certainly hope that this was a joke. The OS was, however, posted two days ago, not today, so I have my doubts. But I certainly hope, hope, hope that this is a joke.

Let's not forget the other possiblity that I mentioned: This might have been some guy's last day at work, and he decided to take out all of his rage before he got fired by changing the text and tearing out the Asm support. It has happened before, in other cases, such as with the original Little Mermaid cover art.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 06:37:25 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on April 01, 2011, 05:33:06 pm
Wait? Hooks got removed too? O.O
Well, the bcalls to set up the hooks were removed, so any program/app that uses hooks needs to be modified a little.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 06:39:11 pm
Have you found any other removed bcalls?

If it was a joke, they would have included
bcall(_DispBSOD) ;;  :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 06:43:35 pm
Oh, that is at address xxxxh But actually, they just changed the pointers of several rom calls to C9s (ret).

EDIT: Remembered I'm not allowed to release that bcall.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 06:47:41 pm
Lol, there is an actual bcall?
I must have accidentally done that one time.

That is too bad that they just made them "ret".  :(

They also added pointless loops to the display command, and now it's slower than a snail.  (and I thought that MP was slow)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 01, 2011, 06:48:29 pm
Quote from: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 06:47:41 pm
They also added pointless loops to the display command, and now it's slower than a snail.  (and I thought that MP was slow)
/me simply stares in amazement at how stupid TI could be.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 06:48:48 pm
Quote from: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 06:37:25 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on April 01, 2011, 05:33:06 pm
Wait? Hooks got removed too? O.O
Well, the bcalls to set up the hooks were removed, so any program/app that uses hooks needs to be modified a little.
Ah weird. X.x

I wonder if they removed anything else...

The last day of work thing could be possible, although I think if it's something like that it would probably instead be a teacher who hates calc games who visits calc forums or Google groups and in revenge to the rants about TI lately he could have made some sort of prank or something and upload that modified OS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: GB on April 01, 2011, 06:50:09 pm
This is  the  funniest  April  Fool's  Day  joke I've seen  in  a  while!

I can't believe you  all  are  believing  this.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 01, 2011, 06:52:12 pm
Quote from: GB on April 01, 2011, 06:50:09 pm
This is  the  funniest  April  Fool's  Day  joke I've seen  in  a  while!

I can't believe you  all  are  believing  this.
But the thing is, it was posted, and it was real, at least for a few minutes. What we are unsure of is if they are actually going to release this OS, since TI killing ASM support is not out of the question.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 06:52:40 pm
You don't, Mr. President, sir?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 06:56:50 pm
Here, Goplat found this in the new text routine:
Quote from: Speed is Relative
ld b,$1E
ei
halt
djnz $-1

Brilliant, just brilliant.  Better than the sliced bread routine. [/sarcasm]

EDIT: Actually, I have to give TI props from optimizing the routine from
dec b
jr nz, $-1
:P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 06:58:54 pm
Sliced bread routine? Might I look at that? I need ideas for my next BatLib command...

EDIT:by the way, who is Godplat? :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: GB on April 01, 2011, 07:00:09 pm
This whole story about  System  2.71MP has  many  red flags.  First off,  TI is  releasing  2.56MP  with  System  3.0 for the  TI-Nspire. Why would they  just come  up with  this version  out  of the blue?

Second, it's on  April 1st.

Third,  this  OS came  from  only two  people  on  this forum.

Fourth, I found this interesting.
Quote from: critor on March 31, 2011, 10:40:39 pm
Nice try! ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif)


But...
DJ, it seems you have been tricked, or that you're trying to trick us.

868 138 bytes is the size of the original 2.55MP OS
You told me the 2.71MP OS was 868 115 bytes.


The size is just wrong, 23 bytes too small.
It's the exact size you get by resigning the 2.55MP OS with RabbitSign.

Official OSes end with ":00000001FF   -- CONVERT 2.6 -- \n0x1A".
RabbitSigned OSes just end with ":00000001FF", which is exactly 23 bytes smaller.


There is no way TI would have started to use RabbitSign with the 0x0A key we've hacked. :P

That OS is probably just a 2.55MP OS with its version & welcome strings modified, and then resigned with RabbitSign.

Strangely, nobody has sent it me up to now, although I'm usually sent important things.


I can release the 3.00MP OS for the TI-84+ immediatly if you want :P

Fifth,  the  stories  in the  news and  the  original  thread don't add up.

Quote from  News  Article
Quote
Earlier this evening, ThePenguin77 went on TI Education website to download a copy of TI-84 Plus OS 2.55MP to test his video player, but he was instead greeted with OS 2.71MP:

Original  Post about  2.71
Quote from: thepenguin77 on March 31, 2011, 07:02:29 pm
Have you guys heard the news? TI just released OS 2.71. Here (http://education.ti.com/calculators/downloads/US/Software/Download/en/6014/6288/TI84Plus_OS.8Xu)'s the link. Go get it.

I'm pretty busy so I don't have much time to test it out tonight, but if I find anything cool, I'll definitely tell you guys.

The  post says absolutely nothing about  downloading it to  test a video  player.

Sixth, why would TI release an  OS that  is ten  times slower  and  full  of  bugs  on  top of  all this?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 07:01:17 pm
Oh, I meant Goplat. :P
http://netham45.org/irc/EfNet/view.php?log=omnimaga.20110331

Quote from: GB on April 01, 2011, 07:00:09 pm
The  post says absolutely nothing about  downloading it to  test a video  player.

Sixth, why would TI release an  OS that  is ten  times slower  and  full  of  bugs  on  top of  all this?
TI actually did receive an OS that is lower and full of bugs.  I think it is called MP 2.55. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 07:03:33 pm
I know, I was just playin' Anywho, I am kind of liking this new OS... I like trying to figure out how to get around certain barriers :)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 07:04:26 pm
Note: You know the CX no longer includes 84+ emulation, right, and that OS 3.0 is actually smaller than 2.1? I wouldn't be surprised if 2.56MP was cancelled and that they removed 84+ emulation from OS 3.0 altogether.

Also as we said many times, this OS is clearly not final and was probably not meant for release, hence the removal.

As for the news post, it was after he finally gave me the link to the OS. Maybe he finally found some time to test it afterward.
Title: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 07:08:16 pm
I've been working on this all day and I think I've cleaned up the mess. This patch should fix 2.71MP.

I took care of:
-Parser Hook
-USB hook
-Asm(, AsmComp(, and AsmPrgm tokens, all reinstated and all working
-The random crashing
-ClrHome, Output(, Disp, and ClrDraw being slow
-Apps over 2 pages not running
-Output( not displaying in row 8
-Asm(, AsmComp(, and AsmPrgm no appearing in the catalog
-The weird advertisement

Hopefully the OS is now in a more recognizable state.

Edit:
    You might want to press F8 in wabbitEmu because this is going to take a while.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 07:10:16 pm
Did TI add anything for the new OS? (other than bugs)

How about the disp command? How did you optimize that?

Great job, btw. :D
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 07:12:47 pm
Wow I didn't realize they added/removed so much :/. GOod job, though, but I would keep the Nspire ad, in case in the final version teachers catch people with modified OSes when they see 2.71MP but a different message than the ad.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Goplat on April 01, 2011, 07:21:21 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 07:08:16 pm
I've been working on this all day and I think I've cleaned up the mess. This patch should fix 2.71MP.

I took care of:
-Parser Hook
-USB hook
-Asm(, AsmComp(, and AsmPrgm tokens, all reinstated and all working
-The random crashing
-ClrHome, Output(, Disp, and ClrDraw being slow
-Apps over 2 pages not running
-Output( not displaying in row 8
-Asm(, AsmComp(, and AsmPrgm no appearing in the catalog
-The weird advertisement
Did you also change the version number back to 2.55MP?
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 01, 2011, 07:22:02 pm
Ooh, can this be used to "unpatch" other OS versions?

Probably not.

EDIT: Apparently he did.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 07:42:16 pm
Actually if he changed the number back to 2.55MP this would kinda be pointless, because people just have to re-install 2.55MP instead.

That's unless he wanted to make a patcher/unpatcher to quickly turn the OS from 2.55 to 2.71 back and forth, as some sort of teacher key.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 01, 2011, 07:44:19 pm
Or he could simply edit OS 2.55MP to say 2.71 MP...
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 01, 2011, 07:47:19 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on April 01, 2011, 07:42:16 pm
Actually if he changed the number back to 2.55MP this would kinda be pointless, because people just have to re-install 2.55MP instead.

The patcher does change it to say "2.55MP," though (look in 2ND+[MEM] > 1:About...).
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 07:57:34 pm
I see... well then I'm confused about the purpose, as to return to 2.55MP you can simply get a copy of 2.55MP. Or is it if 2.55MP would eventually vanish from TI site and to prevent people from having to search for a mirrored copy?
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
Why change the version to 2.71? Once you take out all the updates, it is 2.55.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 01, 2011, 08:06:28 pm
True, so why not download 2.55MP?

Or maybe TI did something useful in 2.71. Who knows.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 09:01:58 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
Why change the version to 2.71? Once you take out all the updates, it is 2.55.
Updates?  Was anything updated?  This OS 2.71 looks like more downdating (?) to me :P
Good to see some of the problems solved, though.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 01, 2011, 09:02:36 pm
Quote from: Darl181 on April 01, 2011, 09:01:58 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
Why change the version to 2.71? Once you take out all the updates, it is 2.55.
Updates?  Was anything updated?  This OS looks like more downdating (?) to me :P
Good to see some of the problems solved, though.

Downgrading?
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 09:06:34 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
Why change the version to 2.71? Once you take out all the updates, it is 2.55.
Well then people can't fool teachers making them think they got 2.71MP. That way they don't get told to upgrade. :P
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 01, 2011, 09:08:46 pm
Great work, thepenguin! You should release a version of the OS with these patches applied. While you're at it, you could also mod the OS to include super-optimized routines, such as FastCopy instead of the slow routine. But that's another day. For now, fix that crummy OS!

EDIT:
Quote from: DJ_O on April 01, 2011, 09:06:34 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
Why change the version to 2.71? Once you take out all the updates, it is 2.55.
Well then people can't fool teachers making them think they got 2.71MP. That way they don't get told to upgrade. :P
Do teachers really have the right to fail you if you choose not to upgrade your OS? 2.43 and 2.55 work just fine.
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 09:10:21 pm
I'M gonna merge this topic with the news and post a link to the patch in the first post, so the discussion won't risk spreading too much. X.x

EDIT: Done.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 09:30:33 pm
Quote from: Compynerd255 on April 01, 2011, 09:08:46 pm
Great work, thepenguin! You should release a version of the OS with these patches applied. While you're at it, you could also mod the OS to include super-optimized routines, such as FastCopy instead of the slow routine. But that's another day. For now, fix that crummy OS!

EDIT:
Quote from: DJ_O on April 01, 2011, 09:06:34 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 08:01:44 pm
Why change the version to 2.71? Once you take out all the updates, it is 2.55.
Well then people can't fool teachers making them think they got 2.71MP. That way they don't get told to upgrade. :P
Do teachers really have the right to fail you if you choose not to upgrade your OS? 2.43 and 2.55 work just fine.

If you really want the OS after all of my fixes are applied to 2.71, you should check the link in this post. (http://ourl.ca/10039/192330)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 09:32:12 pm
I'm unsure if teachers have the right to do that, but since they do it with the TI-Nspire in some areas, this means they could very well try with the 84+, although it would take longer to check, since with the TI-Nspire they just have to use the navigator.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 09:48:21 pm
The problem is that the people who know about changing the os are the people who know how to trick the teachers.  :\
Title: Re: A patch to fix 2.71MP
Post by: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 09:48:48 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 07:08:16 pm
I've been working on this all day and I think I've cleaned up the mess. This patch should fix 2.71MP.
Did you actually track down and fix each bug, or just run a differencing program, and then have the program patch the differences?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 09:55:57 pm
Quote from: DrDnar on April 01, 2011, 09:48:48 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 07:08:16 pm
I've been working on this all day and I think I've cleaned up the mess. This patch should fix 2.71MP.
Did you actually track down and fix each bug, or just run a differencing program, and then have the program patch the differences?

Let's just say I know what was changed.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 10:01:24 pm
On an semi off-topic and humoristic note, I just saw the following in the post stats. Maybe this brought a curse on us which brought us this OS? O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 01, 2011, 10:42:05 pm
For anyone who is interested. This will turn 2.55 into 2.71. Patch file included.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: yunhua98 on April 01, 2011, 10:43:32 pm
er...  why would we want to do that again?  :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 01, 2011, 11:49:02 pm
This is for people who missed the actual 8xu copy of the OS and still want to see how bad it was. We weren't planning to keep a link to the actual 8xu forever, due to copyrights. :P

Anyway happy april 1st everyone. And yes, the randomness board title is fake too. I just had no idea what to name it to, yet. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 01, 2011, 11:54:38 pm
Nice one, DJ.  Next year, we should have Kerm send a virus over GGN. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 02, 2011, 12:00:49 am
Lol, actually that would probably be more of a Cemetech prank, though, although we could always do the same as one of our previous fake news and involve gCn ;D.

I still remember the 2005 joke got a lot of people too.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 02, 2011, 12:02:28 am
What was the 2005 joke? :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 02, 2011, 12:06:24 am
Zelda, the minish cap for the 83+SE and the 84+SE, a 94 page flash app port of the entire GBA game with 8 levels grayscale. Back then, people fell for it easily because animated GIF capture programs were very hard to find and very few people knew it was possible to allow CalcCapture to take animated screenshots from something else than VirtualTI. :P (The screenshot was taken from a GBA emulator)

http://www.omnimaga.org/oldsite/news_v3.html scroll down.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 02, 2011, 12:10:15 am
Well, fourteen pages in one day. I'd say that worth it :)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 02, 2011, 12:14:55 am
Not nearly as convincing as this, though.  This was announced as if it were real.  The 2005 post is in brown.  (Though it may have been turned brown later.)

EDIT: This prank might be a bad idea.  We shouldn't give TI any ideas for their new os.  :P

EDIT2: The best thing about this prank was that you got everyone to follow along.  I feel so stupid gullible, now.   >:(
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 02, 2011, 12:25:57 am
It used to be black. It was changed to brown only after I posted the news saying it's fake. kinda like last year with the fake DMCA notice from TI for Keyfont usage in Omnimaga banner.

And yeah a lot of people, including non-staff members, were playing along. :P (Although they didn't know about the prank in advance)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Eeems on April 02, 2011, 12:28:18 am
I think this prank was our best in terms of people being taken in by it :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 02, 2011, 12:29:00 am
Kerm wasn't playing along.  He kept on telling me it was fake.  I didn't listen to him. :(
I should have listened to him.

EDIT: Oh, now the text is brown. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 01:30:59 am
Damn. I actually cried myself to sleep last night. Thanks.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Eeems on April 02, 2011, 02:01:43 am
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 01:30:59 am
Damn. I actually cried myself to sleep last night. Thanks.
really? D:
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 02:05:42 am
Quote from: Eeems on April 02, 2011, 02:01:43 am
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 01:30:59 am
Damn. I actually cried myself to sleep last night. Thanks.
really? D:
Really. I had to get a new pillow out of the closet, it was so wet.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JosJuice on April 02, 2011, 02:39:35 am
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 02:05:42 am
Quote from: Eeems on April 02, 2011, 02:01:43 am
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 01:30:59 am
Damn. I actually cried myself to sleep last night. Thanks.
really? D:
Really. I had to get a new pillow out of the closet, it was so wet.
I was close to doing it, too...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: willrandship on April 02, 2011, 02:40:06 am
I'm just glad it's fake, that means I don't have to worry about being forced to use it on the nspire. Otherwise I wouldn't care :P I'd just stick with 2.43
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 02:42:36 am
I wish I had been in on it, then I'd feel better about telling my friend.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on April 02, 2011, 04:37:54 am
Well, congratulations for the clever idea and for the execution ;)

I did not really fall for the April Fools joke, I smelled something fishy because it sounded just too stupid of a move (not least because it would generate even more motivation for not taking any gloves wrt. the release of OSLauncher on the Nspire platform, and thereby allow the CAS OS running on the non-CAS Nspire) - and besides, penguin77 (one of the notorious TI-Z80 OS modders) was involved.
And soon after, during the European morning, critor gave me some data to back that opinion. So I watched things unfold for the rest of the day... and boy, was the joke effective :)

What made it plausible, is that as DJ wrote, it feels a pretty logical continuation of TI's negative behaviour towards what made the success of their platforms in the marketplace: relative openness and hackability.
I fully support the quest to fiddle even deeper with TI's OS to fix their bugs, optimize their crappy code, and expand , for users' and programmers' benefit. I started doing this myself for the TI-68k series, with tiosmod+amspatch, and I think that the same kind of generic patcher + arbitrary patchsets could be performed for the TI-Z80 - even if it's harder on the TI-Z80 paginated addressing space + "multi-pass" Intel Hex than on the TI-68k flat addressing space + raw binary.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I think that people trying to test the OS, see what didn't work, work around the problems, and exchange information, is indicative of a good community spirit. It already happened with OS 2.53MP, besides. If TI were to make such a blunder as releasing something like this fake OS 2.71MP (without the random crashes), we'd be more prepared to fight.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JosJuice on April 02, 2011, 05:45:00 am
When I checked Omnimaga on the morning of April 1, I immediately knew that it was an April Fools joke... But the more I started reading and thinking about it, the more convinced I became that it wasn't just April Fools - but in the end, I did know that it wasn't real. I think I would've believed it if it weren't for the frequent crashes and the fact that 2.56MP is on 3.0 :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 02, 2011, 07:59:20 am
Good Joke! A little mean though?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: 4th dimension (time) on April 02, 2011, 10:43:19 am
 :w00t:that is soo fake. any one can make a simple program that reproduces those screens. if true i would be like  :w00t:
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 02, 2011, 10:44:04 am
Quote from: 4th dimension (time) on April 02, 2011, 10:43:19 am
:w00t:that is soo fake. any one can make a simple program that reproduces those screens. if true i would be like  :w00t:

But not anyone can mod an OS until it does that natively ;)

And welcome to Omnimaga, Chronos.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 02, 2011, 10:45:22 am
@4th Dimension. They didn't just create a program to fake the screens. 

[dramatic pause]

They patched to os to disallow nostub ASM! O.O/me faints at the thought of it.

EDIT: Ninja'd
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 02, 2011, 02:44:32 pm
4th dimension welcome on the forums, but yeah the OS was actually an actual 8xu file. I still even have a copy on my computer and I think the copy ThePenguin77 gave me is still even on Google Docs. We just took down the links to avoid issues. :P

I think the key part of this OS was the removal of Asm(), AsmComp() and AsmProgram tokens.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Eeems on April 02, 2011, 06:12:46 pm
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 02:05:42 am
Quote from: Eeems on April 02, 2011, 02:01:43 am
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 01:30:59 am
Damn. I actually cried myself to sleep last night. Thanks.
really? D:
Really. I had to get a new pillow out of the closet, it was so wet.
Well sorry about that :(
Really took you in though :P
This was our most brilliant prank yet :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: GB on April 02, 2011, 06:37:03 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on April 02, 2011, 02:44:32 pm
4th dimension welcome on the forums, but yeah the OS was actually an actual 8xu file. I still even have a copy on my computer and I think the copy ThePenguin77 gave me is still even on Google Docs. We just took down the links to avoid issues. :P

I think the key part of this OS was the removal of Asm(), AsmComp() and AsmProgram tokens.

I got a copy of it too.  I thought  it  might  be  funny to  spread  around through  means  other than hosting on a server.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 02, 2011, 06:39:17 pm
Maybe for next year we could get the whole entire community to do something like announce the TI-87 or something...
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 02, 2011, 07:18:45 pm
We really set the bar high. Hey, DJ, u know we have to do better next year.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: FinaleTI on April 02, 2011, 08:26:48 pm
Quote from: Freyaday on April 02, 2011, 02:42:36 am
I wish I had been in on it, then I'd feel better about telling my friend.
Me too. I told my friend at school. Of course, he wouldn't have put it past TI either to make something like that OS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: tr1p1ea on April 02, 2011, 08:32:04 pm
Best April Fools ive seen in a long time :D.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 03, 2011, 02:11:28 am
What kinda ruined it though was the ad. It would've been a million times more effective if the ad was shown to be a fake, done in photoshop or something.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 03, 2011, 02:38:38 am
Yeah true. Keep in mind I needed in some ways to make it not 100% believable, though. If it wasn't too extreme, maybe more people would have fallen for it, although it wouldn't be as funny anymore. :P

Quote from: GB on April 02, 2011, 06:37:03 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on April 02, 2011, 02:44:32 pm
4th dimension welcome on the forums, but yeah the OS was actually an actual 8xu file. I still even have a copy on my computer and I think the copy ThePenguin77 gave me is still even on Google Docs. We just took down the links to avoid issues. :P

I think the key part of this OS was the removal of Asm(), AsmComp() and AsmProgram tokens.

I got a copy of it too.  I thought  it  might  be  funny to  spread  around through  means  other than hosting on a server.
Lol be careful to not ruin anyone's calc projects, though. :P If someone's working on a huge Axe/BASIC game at school since 2 years ago and he loses everything to OS 2.71MP crashes I doubt he'll like you. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 03, 2011, 02:52:18 am
Yeah. Make sure to note that it's a joke OS and all that. You could actually get sued if someone loses everything due to this thing. O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: leafy on April 03, 2011, 02:53:12 am
Sued. :O CLASS ACTION AGAINST THEPENGUIN777!!!!!111
I think the jump from 55 to 71 kind of gave it away.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 03, 2011, 03:05:29 am
The lack of MP at the beginning and then it being added when someone pointed it out didn't help.
Continuing to leave out the MP would have supported the theory that this was an internal build never meant to see sunlight that (un)intentionally did.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 03, 2011, 04:29:59 am
Well the MP was initially left out in ThePenguin post, but it looked more like a typo than anything else, since people sometimes refer to OS 2.53MP as OS 2.53.

As for the version jump, not necessarily to older members, because when Nspire OS 2.0 jumped straight to 2.1, almost nothing was added. TI probably made that to make it look like they added a lot, to have people be stuck with the hidden anti-downgrade protection included in 2.1. If they called it 2.0.2 or 2.0.5, fewer people would have updated, as they would have just thought it was a small fix adding practically nothing new.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on April 03, 2011, 12:15:19 pm
I honestly never put MP after the OS names. I only did it later because people made such a big deal about it. As far as coding goes, 2.53MP and 2.55MP are 2.53 and 2.55. The MP was just something extra that TI added to the name and really has no effect on the OS. Even if someday TI does decide to drop the MP, it's not like they are going to remove MathPrint from the OS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ACagliano on April 03, 2011, 12:15:47 pm
oh, thepenguin77, nice work on the OS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 04, 2011, 04:08:37 pm
Yeah I agree he did a nice job. Actually it's because of him that this joke came to fruition. :D I could still have made something up and create screenshots, but then it wouldn't have been as real as with an actual 8xu file. :D
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 11, 2011, 10:36:14 am
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
/me feels so stupid that he believed that 2.71 was real.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 11, 2011, 10:37:25 am
Quote from: Compynerd255 on April 11, 2011, 10:36:14 am
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
/me feels so stupid that he believed that 2.71 was real.

Really? You're a bit late :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 11, 2011, 04:00:58 pm
/me thinks Compynerd needs to visit the board more often again. :P

By the way where have you been Compynerd lately? You suddently vanished completely. :(
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 11, 2011, 04:03:40 pm
Spring Break. I really only post at school unless its really important (like a project update).
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 11, 2011, 04:06:31 pm
Aah ok I see. Is it because you have no internet at home or more because you don't have any interest for calc stuff outside school?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 11, 2011, 04:15:12 pm
I do have Internet at home, but its restricted to only two computers. Other people need to use those computers as well, so I can't really do Omnimaga stuff. I have, however, worked a little on Eitrix (as much as I could).
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 12, 2011, 12:08:04 am
Ah ok I see. Hopefully you get more computer access eventually. At one point I remember having to share the computer with my bro and mom and it was annoying X.x
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 12, 2011, 02:13:59 am
I have to share the laptop w/ my dad, who's has to use it as his main pc too because his tower PC is fubar'd too, but in his case it seems to be hardware related instead of software caused, although I swear the laptop's Vista is griefer incodate.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on April 12, 2011, 10:59:10 am
Quote from: DJ_O on April 12, 2011, 12:08:04 am
Ah ok I see. Hopefully you get more computer access eventually. At one point I remember having to share the computer with my bro and mom and it was annoying X.x
Fortunately, I'm applying for an internship to Microsoft, which means that if I get it, not only will I be able to post here often during the summer, but also, after I set aside cash for my mission and college, I'll be able to buy myself a netbook or laptop.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 12, 2011, 11:00:52 am
Quote from: Compynerd255 on April 12, 2011, 10:59:10 am
Quote from: DJ_O on April 12, 2011, 12:08:04 am
Ah ok I see. Hopefully you get more computer access eventually. At one point I remember having to share the computer with my bro and mom and it was annoying X.x
Fortunately, I'm applying for an internship to Microsoft, which means that if I get it, not only will I be able to post here often during the summer, but also, after I set aside cash for my mission and college, I'll be able to buy myself a netbook or laptop.

Way to go, good luck with getting the job! :D

I also think we're getting a little offtopic now.

----

Funny, Stefan Bauwens posted this in TI-Freakware :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 13, 2011, 01:34:09 am
Wow nice! Good luck on that! :D

And yeah I think we should go back on topic. XD

Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on April 13, 2011, 01:55:21 am
I can't wait until next year's joke.  Hopefully, I will not act so stupid gullible. [/back_on_topic]
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 13, 2011, 02:18:52 am
Spoiler For Spoiler:
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"TI-87 and TI-93 released!"  Maybe we could make it a community-wide thing...plenty of time after all ;)
[/idea]
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 24, 2011, 03:09:28 am
Y'know, this is the only topic on Omnimaga where I've actually used the f-word. Here's hoping I can keep it that way.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Munchor on April 24, 2011, 07:58:17 am
Quote from: Darl181 on April 13, 2011, 02:18:52 am
Spoiler For Spoiler:
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"TI-87 and TI-93 released!"  Maybe we could make it a community-wide thing...plenty of time after all ;)
[/idea]

You sir want to doom us all with April Fools Joke, I'd probably believe that :(
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ingalls on April 24, 2011, 08:48:57 pm
I almost died of a heart attack when I read this, could've fooled me at the beginning, once I got into it I realized that it was an april fools!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 27, 2011, 05:21:17 pm
Now next year we need an even more evil prank. J/k :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 27, 2011, 05:39:09 pm
Um, release brick.8xp as a GBA emulator?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 27, 2011, 05:42:14 pm
Nah, we will never intentionally post dangerous programs. If you want Omnimaga reputation to be tarnished completely that would be the best way to do it.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 27, 2011, 05:44:29 pm
Yeah, I was kidding :D

Still a long time to go until 4/1/12, anyway.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 27, 2011, 06:11:04 pm
We should make a program that software overclocks the processor!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 27, 2011, 08:04:06 pm
Or an OS that supports four-level grayscale and three-level bluescale!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Darl181 on April 27, 2011, 08:17:52 pm
Or something along the lines of the KOS Halloween release :P

EDIT: that doesn't accidentally brick anyone's calc
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Freyaday on April 27, 2011, 08:19:18 pm
Or an OS with a blue backlight!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 01, 2011, 02:43:30 pm
The latter would only work on new hardware. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JustCause on May 01, 2011, 02:47:13 pm
Actually, re bluescale, I think I kind of figured that out: it can be psuedo-controlled, it's based on the number of on pixels in each column. The more in each column, the closer the column gets to black-and-white. When there are ~5 pixels off, it looks like B/W, but only in that column. Nothing fancy, but it might be good for effects and such.

Wut? Serious observation in ridiculous discussion? Okay then, how about replacing Solver with WFRNG?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 22, 2011, 06:29:24 pm
I see. It would be nice if someone actually demonstrated it with a video or something, though, so I understand more. D:

Also, with the recent TI happenings, this made me picture this in my head O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on May 22, 2011, 06:37:46 pm
And the scary thing is, it's perfectly possible x.x
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 06:38:44 pm
I don't think they'll name it 2.71 but something like it will happen(3.02)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 22, 2011, 06:40:17 pm
Something I think about though, is that eventually they might quit updating the Nspire Click/Touchpad OSes and only add new stuff to the CX, kinda like what they did with the 84+ over the 83+.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ruler501 on May 22, 2011, 06:44:30 pm
They'll probably keep updating it for a while with the new features just not bothering with the bug fixing on regulars
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JosJuice on May 23, 2011, 01:41:13 am
They'll probably update it just to block our new exploits. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 08:34:05 am
Ther next OS for the 84 will probably have downgrade protection and a 4096 bit key
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Netham45 on May 23, 2011, 08:36:13 am
Quote from: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 08:34:05 am
Ther next OS for the 84 will probably have downgrade protection and a 4096 bit key

They can't downgrade protect the PROM.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JosJuice on May 23, 2011, 08:37:21 am
Quote from: ruler501 on May 23, 2011, 08:34:05 am
Ther next OS for the 84 will probably have downgrade protection and a 4096 bit key
Luckily, downgrade protection is impossible because the boot code can't be changed, and changing the keys is impossible because the boot code can't be changed.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 23, 2011, 05:55:36 pm
Quote from: JosJuice on May 23, 2011, 01:41:13 am
They'll probably update it just to block our new exploits. :P
Yeah I'm thinking more about that, rather than new features.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Compynerd255 on May 24, 2011, 10:29:45 am
We should probably talk in some type of cipher so that TI doesn't get any ideas. Maybe we could discuss the cipher in the Spam section.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ruler501 on May 24, 2011, 06:13:44 pm
big keys for encryption decryption? We could make it an AES style encryption. highest bit level possible...
*ruler goes off to think about this
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 14, 2011, 11:20:19 pm
Now don't wonder why so many people fell for this O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on June 14, 2011, 11:24:41 pm
At least they didn't slow Output( down :P

But I don't think it's too bad. I mean we can still use assembly programs, right? Just really sucks how TI took the time to kill third-party OSes.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JosJuice on June 15, 2011, 03:36:05 am
Quote from: Deep Thought on June 14, 2011, 11:24:41 pm
At least they didn't slow Output( down :P

But I don't think it's too bad. I mean we can still use assembly programs, right? Just really sucks how TI took the time to kill third-party OSes.
I don't think their main goal was to stop all of our games - it was probably something like making sure that every allowed OS version has PTT, that we can't make fake PTT/RAM clear screens, and stuff like that.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 15, 2011, 03:47:24 am
Oh, that might explain it. I always forget about PTT.

I wonder... if PTT is so important in schools, does this means schools might eventually ban the regular 83+ and 83+SE in tests eventually? (Since they do not have any PTT feature)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: JosJuice on June 15, 2011, 03:53:20 am
Quote from: DJ_O on June 15, 2011, 03:47:24 am
I wonder... if PTT is so important in schools, does this means schools might eventually ban the regular 83+ and 83+SE in tests eventually? (Since they do not have any PTT feature)
I think TI cares more about PTT than schools normally would... And as you might know, TI no longer sells these calcs at all - probably because of that reason.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on June 15, 2011, 10:36:48 am
They still produce and sell 83Ps, but not the SEs.
Quote from: JosJuice
I don't think their main goal was to stop all of our games - it was probably something like making sure that every allowed OS version has PTT, that we can't make fake PTT/RAM clear screens, and stuff like that.
Ah, that makes sense.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ztrumpet on June 15, 2011, 11:40:57 am
Quote from: JosJuice on June 15, 2011, 03:53:20 am
Quote from: DJ_O on June 15, 2011, 03:47:24 am
I wonder... if PTT is so important in schools, does this means schools might eventually ban the regular 83+ and 83+SE in tests eventually? (Since they do not have any PTT feature)
I think TI cares more about PTT than schools normally would... And as you might know, TI no longer sells these calcs at all - probably because of that reason.
I've never had a teacher force RAM, Archive, or MEM Clear my calc, and I have never had one activate Press-To-Test either.  I don't know why it's such a big feature for TI.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ben_g on June 15, 2011, 01:29:53 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on June 15, 2011, 03:47:24 am
Oh, that might explain it. I always forget about PTT.

I wonder... if PTT is so important in schools, does this means schools might eventually ban the regular 83+ and 83+SE in tests eventually? (Since they do not have any PTT feature)
My school actually already banned EVERY graphing calc from tests. Luckily, we're still allowed to use a graphing calc in class.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: fb39ca4 on June 15, 2011, 02:16:57 pm
Quote from: ben_g on June 15, 2011, 01:29:53 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on June 15, 2011, 03:47:24 am
Oh, that might explain it. I always forget about PTT.

I wonder... if PTT is so important in schools, does this means schools might eventually ban the regular 83+ and 83+SE in tests eventually? (Since they do not have any PTT feature)
My school actually already banned EVERY graphing calc from tests. Luckily, we're still allowed to use a graphing calc in class.
More schools should just do that, though when I was in high school for math (i know i turned 14 this year, don't ask) we just had to use a class set of calculators, which the teacher handed out at random.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on June 15, 2011, 03:38:29 pm
Quote from: ztrumpet on June 15, 2011, 11:40:57 am
Quote from: JosJuice on June 15, 2011, 03:53:20 am
Quote from: DJ_O on June 15, 2011, 03:47:24 am
I wonder... if PTT is so important in schools, does this means schools might eventually ban the regular 83+ and 83+SE in tests eventually? (Since they do not have any PTT feature)
I think TI cares more about PTT than schools normally would... And as you might know, TI no longer sells these calcs at all - probably because of that reason.
I've never had a teacher force RAM, Archive, or MEM Clear my calc, and I have never had one activate Press-To-Test either.  I don't know why it's such a big feature for TI.

Yeah, same here. I guess some teachers do use it, but I've never met one.

Only time I've seen PTT used by someone else was when a student (not me <_<) did it to prank a teacher of mine.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ralphdspam on June 15, 2011, 03:42:59 pm
I once accidentally cleared my memory with PTT, and that is about it.  My math teacher would not care about PTT because he allows the use of calculators AND notes. 

Oh, and by the way, Holy semi-necroposts batman!  :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: GinDiamond on December 01, 2012, 02:42:59 pm
Oh god. You do realize that this was FAKE?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: epic7 on December 01, 2012, 02:46:22 pm
Bit of a necropost, don't you think? :P
And yeah, a brown text news, so obviously fake
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on December 01, 2012, 11:59:54 pm
Quote from: GinDiamond on December 01, 2012, 02:42:59 pm
Oh god. You do realize that this was FAKE?

Of course it's easy to tell that it's fake now, but at the time I think I did a pretty good job. I posted the fake 2.71 to the forums, answered a few questions about it, and then dropped offline. Things escalated pretty quickly and aside from one tiny mistake I made on the OS file (some extra data at the end that TI adds for no apparent reason), the OS was completely legitimate. It installed on calculators and seemed to be exactly something TI would do.

You should have been there... ;D
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 12:03:19 am
Lol wow, I think we all knew this was fake since April 2nd, some on April 1st 2011 :P.

You need to check post dates before posting :P

(However, back then, it was easy to fall for, since Texas Instruments used to be almost that bad towards the TI community. In fact, OS 2.71MP almost became a reality with Boot 1.03)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Hayleia on December 02, 2012, 01:29:48 am
Quote from: DJ_O on December 02, 2012, 12:03:19 am
In fact, OS 2.71MP almost became a reality with Boot 1.03)
By the way, what is the aim of the boot code 1.0.3 ? It blocks people to MP OSes but why ?
On Nspires the protections prevent people from using native code but on z80s, we still can use native code even on MP OSes (with some bugs) so what is the goal ?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on December 02, 2012, 01:40:57 am
It's TI's completely failed counter to the factoring of the OS signing keys. It shows that the current engineers in the educational department have no understanding of what happened.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 01:52:49 am
what happend to the old and good developers D:
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 02:04:08 am
What do you mean? The TI ones? ???
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 02:13:51 am
yeah, because of all the buggs in the mp os's and what crap they are doing etc.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 02:16:50 am
Well, older OSes had plenty of bugs too. If anyone remembers OS 1.13, that was even worse than 2.55MP.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 02:17:30 am
but 2.43 is pretty stabel :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DrDnar on December 02, 2012, 04:09:35 am
The original developers have either moved on or retired, which I guess is a special case of moving-on.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 10:48:26 pm
Or maybe they all resigned after TI changed their views about calc ASM (before the Nspire release) :P (that happens to companies or political parties)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 10:50:59 pm
but the asm support made the 83/84 very popular.....they make no sence at all
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 03, 2012, 01:29:45 am
Quote from: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 10:50:59 pm
but the asm support made the 83/84 very popular.....they make no sence at all
And that's why they haven't removed it ;)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 03, 2012, 01:51:23 am
I'm sure they considered it before. If they knew it is what made that series popular, they would have let it on the Nspire too. That said, maybe their plans was to remove it only on the Nspire regardless, and discontinue the 84+ series eventually, but due to high demand they kept the 84+ series alive.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 03, 2012, 03:09:00 am
I think the main reason they removed native code from the Nspire is the potential test security issues it poses. Their main issue with it is allowing 3rd party OSes: they allowed native code on the 8x series, people started making OSes, they obviously angry (cf. C&D letters), and their solution for the Nspire is to cut off assembly completely.

They do acknowledge the community and the popularity of games and utility programs, so they added Lua to compensate (though there's still a pretty big gap to fill).
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 03, 2012, 03:59:57 am
Quote
and their solution for the Nspire is to cut off assembly completely.
And it's exactly the wrong way to handle the problem. History shows that trying to lock down, and prevent users from doing what they want on the hardware they own (or worse, revoking that right at some point !), is a lose-lose situation. Sony found it in an extremely bitter way with the PS3 fiasco.

For TI, closing the Ndless 3.1 hole in OS 3.2.0.1212/1219 broke the last moral barriers: we saw multiple PTTKillers, and then, work on the complete subvertion of production Clickpad calculators through a simple, reversible hardware modification. The Nspire castle has started falling apart, and it will only become even more thoroughly owned if TI keeps their wrong ways...
By complete subvertion of the production Clickpads, I mean the ability to install (not just hot-launch) the CAS OS on the production Clickpad calculators sold as non-CAS, just like on prototype Clickpad calculators. It would even be possible to make the boot1 only accept boot2 and diags signed with one's own RSA key, and therefore, even in case of attempting to reformat all memory or reflash the boot2 right in the testing room, have the calculator rendered useless (which raises serious fairness concerns !) rather than accept TI's official OS. Game over for Clickpads in standardized tests.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 03, 2012, 06:47:18 pm
But why do third part-os's make them angry? I mean, shouldn't they rather be proud of the community?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on December 03, 2012, 06:51:34 pm
In many other circumstances, I would think they would be proud, but in this case, their primary fear is that an OS will be made that can be easily used for cheating onstandardised exams. TI has taken many measures to make sure their calculators hold up to the standards required by standardised tests, so when a community inadvertently circumvents those measures, their investment has been made worthless.

I think TI should make devices similar to the calculators, but intended for programming.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 03, 2012, 06:53:05 pm
But they are not afraid of penguins os mods and fake mem clears? XD
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on December 03, 2012, 06:53:52 pm
Well, they probably are, but it has been established now that they cannot do anything about it.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 03, 2012, 06:54:43 pm
So they decided then to just continue with the series? lol
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 03, 2012, 09:57:29 pm
Quote from: Sorunome on December 03, 2012, 06:54:43 pm
So they decided then to just continue with the series? lol
Are you complaining? :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 04, 2012, 12:48:31 am
Another concern I have is about people who want to make a third-party CAS for models that have no CAS. I wonder if TI and Casio would appreciate, since if those calcs have no reliable PTT/Teacher mode, then the calc wouldn't be allowed to any test that disallows calcs with a CAS.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 04, 2012, 01:07:20 pm
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In many other circumstances, I would think they would be proud, but in this case, their primary fear is that an OS will be made that can be easily used for cheating on standardised exams.
As far as Clickpad Nspires are concerned, the fear has become reality, since production models can easily be made equivalent to prototypes, whose the boot1 can be modified in arbitrary ways. Game over for the Clickpad series.

Quote
TI has taken many measures to make sure their calculators hold up to the standards required by standardised tests, so when a community inadvertently circumvents those measures, their investment has been made worthless.
Inadvertently... or not so inadvertently, as a side effect from the freedom to tinker ;)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on December 04, 2012, 05:29:55 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on December 04, 2012, 12:48:31 am
Another concern I have is about people who want to make a third-party CAS for models that have no CAS. I wonder if TI and Casio would appreciate, since if those calcs have no reliable PTT/Teacher mode, then the calc wouldn't be allowed to any test that disallows calcs with a CAS.
I havent met a teacher yet who knows about the PTT features.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: tr1p1ea on December 04, 2012, 09:05:23 pm
They should just let people use CAS on tests.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Yeong on December 04, 2012, 09:09:08 pm
well iirc CAS is acceptable in SAT. right?
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 05, 2012, 02:06:35 am
Yes, but neither in the ACT, nor in various other tests across the world.

Indeed, they should just let people use the CAS - it would fix one of the causes of disconnection between standardized testing and the real world.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: annoyingcalc on September 03, 2013, 02:44:43 pm
Necropost, but I just had to do this
http://i.imgur.com/anEpqb4.png
Look at at the end of the minecraft logo.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 03, 2013, 05:19:39 pm
I seriously hope this is fake :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ben_g on September 03, 2013, 05:20:56 pm
You can just edit the splashes.txt file to add your custom splash texts. And iirc resource packs can change them as well.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 03, 2013, 05:29:12 pm
Oh I see now lol. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:05 am
Quote from: annoyingcalc on September 03, 2013, 02:44:43 pm
Necropost, but I just had to do this
http://i.imgur.com/anEpqb4.png
Look at at the end of the minecraft logo.

:P That's terrible!
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Streetwalrus on September 04, 2013, 12:09:53 pm
Lol nice. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on September 05, 2013, 10:09:31 am
I completely forgot how much work I put into this stupid thing. I was looking through the patch file yesterday, and there are 28 independent patches that were applied to the OS. I even designed basically my own bcall system to implement all of the weird "features".

(If you're wondering, it actually worked backwards in that it jumped to a specific routine based on the calling address, not an argument passed by the caller.)


Edit:
    1500th post. I suppose this is a fitting place.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on September 05, 2013, 11:03:42 am
Yepp, this was a pretty nice piece of work. Though, it had to be pretty thorough to fool some of the people that it did. :)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Xeda112358 on September 05, 2013, 11:50:30 am
I still manually set up hooks because of this thing :P
Title: Re: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 05, 2013, 04:59:27 pm
Yeah this prank really scared the hell outta people. :P

On an off-topic note, I hate how I have to disable Mathprint again after every RAM clear x.x (on my 84+CSE).
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on September 05, 2013, 05:31:08 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on September 05, 2013, 04:59:27 pm
Yeah this prank really scared the hell outta people. :P

On an off-topic note, I hate how I have to disable Mathprint again after every RAM clear x.x (on my 84+CSE).
Why clear your RAM?
Also, it doesn't take too long to switch to Classic. The start screen is more annoying.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Sorunome on September 05, 2013, 05:35:19 pm
we need zstart for the CSE!/me pokes thepenguin
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on September 05, 2013, 07:55:12 pm
Quote from: Art_of_camelot on September 05, 2013, 11:03:42 am
Yepp, this was a pretty nice piece of work. Though, it had to be pretty thorough to fool some of the people that it did. :)

I made one mistake and critor found it. I didn't add an extra little bit to the OS that TI usually does.

Quote from: Sorunome on September 05, 2013, 05:35:19 pm
we need zstart for the CSE!/me pokes thepenguin

Not a chance. (At least not by me) I hardly have enough time to update zStart let alone make a new one. And besides, I don't have a CSE.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 14, 2013, 06:48:09 am
We also need OS 4.71MP for the CSE!/me runs
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2013, 09:40:16 am
False :P

Actually it would probably be something like OS 4.16MP :P

If Output/Disp were so slow in 2.71MP, imagine how they would be in a color version of that OS.


Also the HP Prime is as unstable as 2.71MP when you try to edit a 400+ KB program O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Yeong on November 14, 2013, 09:44:52 am
I remember the horror that this silly OS brought to this site :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2013, 03:22:41 pm
Quote from: thepenguin77 on September 05, 2013, 07:55:12 pm
Quote from: Art_of_camelot on September 05, 2013, 11:03:42 am
Yepp, this was a pretty nice piece of work. Though, it had to be pretty thorough to fool some of the people that it did. :)

I made one mistake and critor found it. I didn't add an extra little bit to the OS that TI usually does.
What was it ? :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Yeong on November 14, 2013, 03:38:41 pm
It was the signing, I believe.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on November 14, 2013, 04:15:06 pm
Quote from: Yeong on November 14, 2013, 03:38:41 pm
It was the signing, I believe.

It was indeed. For whatever reason, after TI signs the OS they add "   -- CONVERT 2.6 --" at the very end. I forgot to do this.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2013, 04:16:55 pm
LOL you'd actually have to look with an hex editor for this one. XD
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: thepenguin77 on November 14, 2013, 05:10:19 pm
Quote from: Streetwalker on November 14, 2013, 04:16:55 pm
LOL you'd actually have to look with an hex editor for this one. XD

Actually, you don't. Try opening an OS with notepad and you'll see what I mean. (.8xp files are binary though)
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 17, 2013, 01:55:02 am
Oh yeah right. My point was if you don't know what to look for it's hard to notice. :P
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2014, 08:19:07 pm
I just realized something... this "OS" is actually better than TI-Nspire CX OSes in one way O.O


On OS 2.71MP, you can still run small ASM Flash apps from 15 years ago. Yet, on the TI-Nspire CX, most programs will stop working 1 or 2 OS versions later. On the HP Prime it's even worse because some programs like MacBernick's game only lasted 1 firmware and on Casio calcs they won't even last accross hardware revisions.

And if go back 1 version earlier (2.55MP), then you can pretty much run anything from the past 15 years, even smaller TI-82 Stats/83 BASIC programs and if TI-Connect allows it, TI-82 programs by renaming the extension like in the TI-Graph Link days. O.O
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: ben_g on November 01, 2014, 08:23:31 pm
The hardware may be terribly outdated and overpriced, but the 83+/84+ series really is great for programming because of that.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 01, 2014, 08:28:13 pm
I remember in 2004 when I downloaded many TI-82 BASIC games, renamed the extensions from 82p to 8xp (or maybe it was 83p?) then sending them using to my TI-83 Plus Silver Edition using TI-Graph Link and it worked like a charm. I don't know if that trick still works with TI-Connect and TiLP so perhaps this rules out USB calcs, but if it does, then even programs from 20 years ago would send and run.

It's a shame that they can no longer keep compatibility intact when updating OSes nowadays. A lot of work gets wasted that way if the authors of programs move on in their lives.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Dapianokid on November 09, 2014, 06:02:31 pm
^I seem to recall the ability to do this less than 6 months ago to send 82 programs to my 84+SE, using a silverlink cable.
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Thomas the Death Machine on November 18, 2014, 07:24:09 pm
someone needs to make a patch for this that can be sent over a link cable. just to piss people off
Title: Re: 84 Plus OS 2.71MP leaked: The beginning of the end of TI-84+ programming?
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 20, 2014, 05:53:56 am
Welp, if you sign the 8xu you can send it to a calc. And for calcs with bootcode 1.03, you can use Unsigned by thepenguin77 to send unsigned OS's. :P