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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: Silver Shadow on February 07, 2010, 02:42:06 pm
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Silver Shadow:
(ninja'ed DJ Omnimaga ;D)
Apparently, TI is soon going to release a new OS for the 84+ !
Source:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=792 (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=792)
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/84os253mp.gif)
(Note: all the screenshots are from a reliable source.)
It should be out on the 15th of February.
Hope it will also be for the NSpire...
Unfortunately, it looks like it will break compatibility with some old games, as shown in the following screenshot (from Reuben Quest: The Lost Mirror, during a Home Screen sequence where the text-inversion flag is activated):
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/reuben253.gif)
Here's a complete changelog of the new features in the OS, if you can read french:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=1624 (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=1624)
DJ Omnimaga:
Source:
http://netham45.org/irc/EfNet/view.php?log=ti.20100207 (see BrandonW's lines)
http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9243&view=getnewpost
http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire/browse_thread/thread/ce9e166b0425a583/e84f628607d4aa98?hide_quotes=no
http://tibank.forumactif.com/actualites-f7/nouvel-os-84-t5072.htm
(google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftibank.forumactif.com%2Factualites-f7%2Fnouvel-os-84-t5072.htm )
Interesting rumor... I wonder if this will come true, given how TI hasn't released any OSes in years
And I'm not sure if I read correctly, but did BrandonW really get a copy of it?
On another note, there was talk about a possible new TI-Nspire OS ( 1.8 ) on two french TI forums too, but that was a shorter while ago:
http://tibank.forumactif.com/actualites-f25/infos-nouvel-os-nspire-t5027.htm
Google Language Tools did a poor job, though... try it for yourself but I doubt you will understand much
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftibank.forumactif.com%2Factualites-f25%2Finfos-nouvel-os-nspire-t5027.htm&sl=fr&tl=en
UPDATE: added screenshot demonstrating the compatibility with an old lib-assisted BASIC game.
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This looks interesting, but at the same time kinda ugly... I hope they do something to slightly improve that.
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I don't see why you find it ugly...
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I think it looks OK. The TI-73 was like this after all (I have one). However, I hope their new additions won't break compatibility with old BASIC and ASM programs.
Remember what happened to Illusiat 6, Zcopy and the old versions of Omnicalc with OS 1.15 release, as well as the ClrDraw command with OS 1.14 release
I also hope this is not fake or like I read somewhere, someone trying to pass a third party OS as a fake TI OS
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I don't know, I guess it's just me. I just don't take a large liking to the design that they used to implement these new features.
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Hey DJ, I ninja'ed ya!
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Lol yeah :P
Also I updated the screenshot link to host them ourselves because image hosts takes a long while to load sometimes
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I hope it is good, doesn't break old stuff, not buggy, fast and true.
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Oh about the bugs It would be cool if it at least fixed some of the bugs listed in a topic here. That said I hope compatibility is not broken with regular 83+/83+SE calcs
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Lol yeah :P
Also I updated the screenshot link to host them ourselves because image hosts takes a long while to load sometimes
Yeah, OK.
I hope it is good, doesn't break old stuff, not buggy, fast and true.
Let's hope it will.
EDIT: @DJ Omnimaga: what bugs?
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Ok so it doesn't start really well: :/
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/reuben253.gif)
Screenshot from Reuben Quest: The Lost Mirror intro, the part on the home screen where reverse-video text flag is enabled (white text on black background). I wouldn't be surprised if more home screen games broke. I have some fears for ROL2 especially. Illusiat 13 should be ok since it doesn't use any text-inverting
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More compatibility fail!
This is Illusiat 2004-1 in OS 2.4x (and lower):
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/i2004on241.gif)
This is Illusiat 2004-1 in OS 2.53MP:
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/i2004on253.gif)
And what is that small line below some of the text in ROL2 copyright????
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/rol2title253.gif)
Reports also claims Text(, Output( and Disp are between 2x and 4x slower with the MathPrint function enabled in the MODE menu, so disable it before playing BASIC games (altough it won't fix most glitches)
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Hmm. I don't know what to think. I think I'll still use 2.43, so it's the same as 83s. Then again, I would want to try this. My main question: Is this real? I have huge doubts about Ti doing anything for the 84 series now. It's really wierd. I hope this is a third party, as it wouldn't be a standard, therefore would not break compatibility with old programs.
Hmm...
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I'm not sure, but in any case, I wouldn't be surprised if at one point BrandonW released a patch to fix these issues, but for now people should keep their old OS. I myself keep my Nspire 1.7 OS in case they add this 84+ OS emulation mode in 1.8.
It is illegal to redistribute TI OSes, but I am sure they'll still be avaliable when searching well or on french TI sites for those who want to downgrade
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Illusiat 13 speed comparison with MathPrint function enabled:
MathPrint turned OFF
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/I13magic_253MATHPRINT_OFF.gif) (http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/I13_241.gif)
MathPrint turned ON
(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/I13magic_253MATHPRINT_ON.gif)(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/I13_253.gif)
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Maybe before BASIC game, you can program it so to set the mode to prettymath off...
Like, FnOff
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This is highly interesting. I'll post a more complete response later. I have to get ready for work now. Oh and you haz pm DJ.
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Maybe before BASIC game, you can program it so to set the mode to prettymath off...
Like, FnOff
Except that then you break compatibility with the 83+/SE just with that command. It may be better to have the player manually disable it.
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oh yeah, right... ;D I forgot about that lmao.
Yeah, put it in the readme, although no one reads it
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Well, then you can always insert this in your game:
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=174
Zelda DLQ TI-Connect Fix and Metroid II Expansion uses this ^^
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Yeah, put it in the readme, although no one reads it
Are we talking about Illusiat 13? If so, I have its readme printed out so I could read it over and over. ;D
Could you have two versions: One for the new OS and one for the other OSes?
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I'm keeping up tabs in English at http://sircmpwn.pbworks.com/ti (http://sircmpwn.pbworks.com/ti)
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I'm keeping up tabs in English at http://sircmpwn.pbworks.com/ti (http://sircmpwn.pbworks.com/ti)
Hi SirCmpwn and welcome here. Nice site you got. Just make sure that if you host the OS files to not leak them in public on the forums (or via PM) since they are illegal to distribute on forums ^^
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Welcome here! It looks nice. :)
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That's great. Now, where the hell is my 84+ CAS? :P
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84+ CAS? Didn't knew there was a Computer Algebra System for the 84+. I thought it was just a 68k and TI-Nspire thing
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(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/rol2title253.gif)
Are those pixels on row 63 in Basic? D:
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seems so x.x
They appear when the copyright appears, but for some reasons, not below the omnimaga logo
on TIBD, they mention a TI-84 glitch that cause text to have a row of pixel below it when entering the MODE menu, but is disabled when entering the List editor or Graph tables (G-T mode), this glitch was also present on the 83+ OS 1.12 but was much harder to trigger. However, now on 2.53, it can't even be disabled it seems x.x
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This is interesting. Finally finished reading through everything. I wonder what all the new romcalls are? I'm kind of shocked that TI is updating... seems like it's been ages. Updates don't happen overnight, but this thing is seems really buggy (from what I've read I don't acutally own an 84). This suggests not much testing has gone into it on TI's end. As far as compatibility goes, I hope this update doesn't break anything too badly. I REALLY hope the fix the text display speeds. Does it still display slowly with pretty print off? I'm Also wondering when they plan to actually release it. If the date is actually in a week, hopefully they have a more stable version completed.
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personally rather than putting a warning i would just make 2 versions of stuff, one for the old OS's and one for the new, but hopefully someone patches this OS so it is as epic as it should rightfully be :D
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Is it just me, or is this suprisingly soon after the keys were factored? Seems TI is desperate to keep themselves in control of their OS's. At first I wasn't sure if this was real, but it seems TI really rushed in getting this out.
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Well the bugs that have been shown all seem to happen because inverted text doesn't act quite like it used to. I think pure Basic things could be fine.
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I'll start working on a PTT patch for this OS ASAP. xD
Wait... Who hacked TI's systems to copy the OS? :P
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Yeah I think it's because TI is scared we might do a better OS than them. As for the bugs I agree with Calc84maniac. Solution for graph screen inverted text will be to rely on CODEX rectangle inversion tools or xLIB/Celtic for now
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The MATHPRINT mode is slooooow. Else, fine coding. Probably TI's best since 2000 or something.
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I have to say I'm looking foreward to this. It took little bit of time for my to get used to the fact that there is "a new standard OS", but now I figure I can have it on my 84+se, and keep the old style on my 83+se. ;D
It does seem to mabey have something to do with the key factoring...
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yeah, im sure they feel that since calculator haxxorz feel safe haxxorizing their OS because they never update it themselves that maybe if they update it they can somewhat keep control of the situation
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Anybody notice that when something on the homescreen is longer than the screen, it scrolls off the screen instead of continuing down? That just made this new os pretty much unusable to me :(
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Bad news: xLIB doesn't work on our dear new OS...
Celtic III, however, appears to work fine, but you know the compatibility issues Celtic III still has..., so no more Classic mode on Super Mario Smash Dance :(
Omnicalc new programming functions works fine too. I tried Reuben Quest with both Celtic III and Omnicalc. However, I heard the other Omnicalc functions such as parhentesis assistant no longer works. I heard Graph3d fails too.
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... the other Omnicalc functions such as parhentesis assistant no longer works. I heard Graph3d fails too.
Ti fail, this looks like it might be bad news for asm-erz, do we know what kind of changes were made to the ROM calls and/or if any were removed?
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Yeah idk really. I hope nothing was removed, though. Then ASM coders would need to code their own routines to replace the TI ones x.x But again in complex ASM games I think coders uses no TI routines so they can create faster ones
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Oh my, I don't like this... Maybe I should put 2.43 back into my calc until patches start to be worked on or something...
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No romcalls were removed. The problem is the mathprint function messing with the homescreen and the hooks etc.
@tribal: My ptt patch has been altered for the 2.53MP OS. I've uploaded it on ticalc, but it's still pending.
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Yup, so basically, if you managed to find or get a copy online, keep it, but stick to OS 2.43 on your calc (or Nspire 1.7 for those with Nspires)
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Yeah, besides if they have an NSpire 1.8 version, they might've added things so that we couldn't hack it anymore.
So try out the new OS on an emulator before, it'll be better.
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Umm, actually i loaded the new OS on my calc to test it, and graph 3d works fine for me...
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Really? strange...
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Ti! If you can hear me, than don't make this uncompatible!! Bad idea!! Bad Ti! <kinda jk> :D
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Well, it does get rid of using mathpaint or whatever in the Y= (aka, it goes to standard mode) but all the 3d graphing and stuffs works fine