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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on May 06, 2011, 05:58:00 pm
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Now that the whole inter-community site issues thing have been resolved and before starting to "harrass" the rest of the staff to help posting news more, what about some TI vs Calculator Hobbyists issues?
It has come to our attention (http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6997-tnoc-garantie) recently that a group of people working for Texas Instruments on their official french TI-Nspire forum that they are accusing TI-BANK of not informing their users about TNOC and Ndless possibly voiding the calculator warranty, even though there were no proof that those softwares can void people's warranty. The ironic thing, too, is that with TNOC, you even reduce the need for a warranty, since it prevents OS 3.0 Boot2 copy from bricking your calculator, and we got no report about Ndless itself permanently bricking people's calculators.
This is nothing: TI-BANK was even accused of being the cause of the dangerous OS 3.0.1 bug that bricks calculators permanently by distributing copies of TNOC and Ndless, even though the bug occurs on calculators on which Ndless and TNOC were never installed!
Source: TI-BANK (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1084)
Fortunately, Texas Instruments finally realized the bug was on their side and warned (http://education.ti.com/calculators/products/US/os-update/) people about it (although it doesn't state that on the next reboot the problem could occur). Otherwise, how many TI-Nspires would have been bricked in the world before TI finally realize the source of the problem?
Anyway, for those who installed OS 3.0.1 without TNOC, who want to unbrick their calculator themselves or downgrade from OS 3.0.1, a few tutorials were released on TI-BANK: Here's one to unbrick your calculator (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1081) and another to downgrade (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1078). As mentionned before on the site, you need special hardware to do it. Also the tutorials are in French, so unless somebody is willing to translate them, you may need a translator.
Also, an useful program (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=3515) for OSLauncher users, allowing you to generate OSLauncher-compatible images in one click, was released.
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Lol fail. Seems TI didn't know what they were doing.
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Now that is a :facepalm: :P
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Our biggest problem is that we have a few people in the clc community that know more and do more for calc's then TI has. TI doesn't check its software enough and leaves that to their customers to figure out how good it is
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Last year in #ti, I was joking about how BrandonW could remake the entire TI-Nspire OS (without the 84+ emulator) for the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition and still manage to have free archive pages afterward, as an idea of how overly large the TI-Nspire OS was.
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If the community tried I'm sure we would make an OS that did all the same functions as the official OS, but did them faster and was a good amount smaller.
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Indeed that's what I mean. I am sure even on a lower calculator model it could still run decently fast too.
Regardless, TI really needs to check their crap more before blaming others x.x
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Yep I saw this one. I was tempted to include it in the news but the issue was that it was not enough game-development-related (unlike FX-9750GII -> 9860G, which adds add-ins support and I believe string commands) and Omni mostly focuses on that :(. Otherwise that would easily go on front page.
As for TI-USA, maybe they don't care as much and do things behind the scenes, I'm not sure. Maybe they mostly read ticalc.org, though, and aren't aware of Omnimaga yet (which is very possible since our Google rankings are lower for games and we do not have any tutorial on how to use the calculator since we're more into development/gaming).
Also note that Omnimaga had plenty of slow page loadings recently, so maybe they don't bother much.
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To tell the truth, I can just say 'Fuck TI'. In fact I will. Fuck TI.
They think they can use us as punching bags if they fuck up with something they make incorrectly. I think we shouldn't take it. We should advertise their failure, and use it to mock them out of sales, no matter how unsubstantial it will turn out. TI pisses me more off every passing day.
I really wish they could be chill like Casio.
However, since most of my ideas of HOW to carry out a combat against them always turn out to be shunned, I'll leave that up to more sane people around here ;)
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Well the thing is that no matter how we fight, they seem like Apple and Sony so most ideas will fail and when we win, they'll always strike back. Of course, that allows the community to be even more creative, although it's annoying and slows down development a lot.
I'M glad the Casio Prizm got some attention towards programmers. Casio seems to care less about disallowing games.
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I personally bought my prizm half because of how well you can program on it, and also just to support the idea that it's better than the CX ;D (which just the fact that you can use a GCC-based SDK to program for it, makes it infinitely better ;))
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Yeah true and it was hacked rigth after release. It is less powerful than the TI-Nspire, hardware-wise, and the OS is crappily coded in general (the BASIC interpreter is slower than TI's), but otherwise it's very great
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very true ;) casio did a good job at spending limited resourced on coding and 90% of them on advertising, so thanks to that we can do much more on it :)
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Lol. But yeah that's true in a sense, although in TI case, they spent resources on blocking their OS, but still managed to release something buggy that goes to the extent of destroying calcs.
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I wish they spent more time making their products better, not trying to hinder 3rd party development.
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In a way I agree with Ashbad that I'm glad Casio made many mistakes in their OS and left out many features (in addition to easy coding).
1. No 84+ emulator, well that's kinda expected because they're not TI. The thing is on the nspire which has the 84+ emulator, but lacks many ports, is missing undocumented instructions, and is slower than the 84+, there is little incentive to make a new one because the current one seems mostly sufficient. But now on the Prizm we don't already have an emu so we now have the opportunity to make a near perfect one.
2. No CAS. Well I still expect Casio to eventually make a CAS version of the Prizm, but if they don't we can still make a better one :)
3. Slow BASIC language. When I say slow I mean like 6 hours to fill the screen using only pxl-on. It also has bugs too when drawing special text. But the good thing is that it has far more commands than 84+ BASIC and these are useful commands such as break and do while. Also a large set of string based commands too. So what do we do? Make a new BASIC interpreter! ;D
4. Not a bug, but great BASIC IDE. What it lets you do is insert lines, lets you rename files, lets you lock files, and gives you easy access to a large set of special characters. To get the best use of this why not make an Axe port?
5. No 3D graphs. need I say more
6. Yes I will say more. Lua -END MESSAGE-
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I was kind of thinking Java, because no one knows Lua, but whatever :p
EDIT: Looks like Lua only has 35 or so opcodes. That's pretty reasonable compared to the 200+ Java opcodes, even if you have to do a lot more to unpack them.
EDIT2: 37 opcodes, but they're much higher level than Java's opcodes.
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Dear TI
You suck.
</3 Qazz42
Geez, TI has reached a new low. just when you think they hit rock bottom, they manage to find a shovel...
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Dear TI
You suck.
</3 Qazz42
Geez, TI has reached a new low. just when you think they hit rock bottom, they manage to find a shovel...
It looks like they found a drill.
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hell, they have tnt
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Geez, TI has reached a new low. just when you think they hit rock bottom, they manage to find a shovel...
I'm convinced that the frustration in understanding TI occurs because we expect them to do intelligent things but they can't because they are a group of incompetent people making bad decisions. "Stupid is as stupid does." For example in introducing a new OS there is a risk and the back up position is to go back to the previous OS but they stupidly cut off that option. So expect ti to do something stupid and you won't be surprized.
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TI sure thinks they did everything right, I really am pissed at them.
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TI sure thinks they did everything right, I really am pissed at them.
and then they blame it on us after (or was it before, I am confused on the timeline here x.x) :roll:
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Yeah, at one point T3 actually blamed the bricks on TNOC/Ndless :P
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Only to find themselves contradicted by facts, since some of the people affected by the problem didn't know what TNOC and Ndless are, so they could hardly have used [them] :D
Unfortunately, that won't teach these people (some of whom are extremely narrow-minded) a lesson.
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This sucks.
***Slaps TI with a large trout
TI, think before you say. Just leave us the way we are and please, PLEASE give calculators their programming capabilities back.
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The programming abilities help students learn. You can slightly regulate it but don't bring it to the level of Nspire-Basic please. we should not have to make our own programs for programming.
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Very well said.
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Calc sites bashed...by teacher on nspire site
http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire/browse_thread/thread/850c03817624a443
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oh don't worry, them bashing us is nothing new, it is TI itself that is bashing us now >:(
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Rofl, anyone else notice Lionel on there, with his epic text walls?
EDIT: looks like Lionel won in the end...yay
EDIT2: actually it's still going...
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this all could have been avoided if ti just let us have asm... ti screwed themselves over, giving us the proper incentive to make such programs :D
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TI sure thinks they did everything right, I really am pissed at them.
and then they blame it on us after (or was it before, I am confused on the timeline here x.x) :roll:
I think for the Boot 2 issue they blamed us first.
Personally I think it's a waste of time to try to reason people on TI-Nspire groups/the french official forum, because they only want to stick to their anti-community opinion. As a suggestion to the Omni people who writes there, try to spend a bit less time on your walls of text, because the teachers there are really wasting your time anyway.
Btw, every year TI-France publish an online flyer with all the new products in it and TI-BANK used to be listed in them. However, for 2011-2012 it was removed. :( I guess they didn't like TNOC, Ndless news and that stuff.
This is why companies like Sony gets attacked/hacked all the time like they did recently, although many of these attacks were uncalled for (grabbing credit card numbers for example and punishing many users). It would only never happen with TI because there are so many less TI programmers than there are PS3 hackers.
That said, I wonder if getting the CAS to run on non-CAS calcs could be used in some ways to purposely get TI-Nspires banned from tests in North America? That would be a big nuisance to TI sales, but that could potentially open the door to other calc models like the Prizm (as long as the TI community doesn't create a third-party CAS for it)
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Yes, for sure it's a waste of time to try to reason with people on TI-Nspire groups like Nelson but there are reasonable people who read that site but don't post there and they can be affected.
BTW, while it may not be possible to convince a teacher not to buy nspires, considering the serious bugs of late it should be easy to convince them to put off buying more nspires until they know how bad the cx bugs are going to be.
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Yeah true. I guess in most case Lionel and others must have to repeat themselves, though, so I guess in those cases not as much effort needs to be spent to reason people. And yeah the bugs might possibly affect sales to a small extent. Teachers might stick to the Touchpad for a while.
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Yeah true. I guess in most case Lionel and others must have to repeat themselves [...]
And I've given up. Lionel, Critor and me have repeated like 5 times on the univers-ti-nspire.fr... It is already tiring in French, I can't imagine in English (Lionel is courageous x) )
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Indeed. I think Lionel has been part of the english TI community for years though, so it might be less challenging, but still... that's so much to explain.
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I loved the past. Unlike TI we code something right the first time, and praise TI for not blocking everything down.
Now I hate the present. Unlike us TI never codes anything right and blames us. And then they lock it down.
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Yeah the post-2006 version of TI sucks x.x
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Yeah the post-2006 version of TI sucks x.x
Yeah, ti turned into a different company about that time. I wonder if that was when Ms. Lovett became president of education technology at ti?
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Yeah, I think the older, yet cooler, pres stepped down :/
sucks, I wonder if the previous guy is with us or for us..
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I didn't know pre 2006 TI but almost anything would be better than current TI.
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Yeah, I think the older, yet cooler, pres stepped down :/
* sigh
Why do the awesome people always have to leave?
I didn't know pre 2006 TI but almost anything would be better than current TI.
Back then TI actually posted third-party developer's information and utils on their website. They actually supported us back then.
EDIT: Stuff like this: http://education.ti.com/us/resources/developer/83/download/unsupported.html (http://replay.web.archive.org/20050410221541/http://education.ti.com/us/resources/developer/83/download/unsupported.html) (saved in WayBack).
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seriously, someone is getting a mind crush if they do not give back the old ti attitude
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As I wrote in another topic, the discussion on the tinspire Google group has been more courteous than several other previous ones. This time, another, more reasonable person, is at the forefront of the discussion.
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Nice to hear Lionel. I hated how the last time someone was bashing TI-BANK saying it's useless.
As for TI, I miss the days where people e-mailed them for development information and they would give us extra documentation about things.
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Nice to hear Lionel. I hated how the last time someone was bashing TI-BANK saying it's useless.
As for TI, I miss the days where people e-mailed them for development information and they would give us extra documentation about things.
I also miss them making SDKs.
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One word summarizes TI's behavior then: Hypocrite.