Omnimaga

Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: helder7 on November 28, 2012, 07:50:24 pm

Title: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on November 28, 2012, 07:50:24 pm
Hi omnimaga!

Do you still remember the patents (http://ourl.ca/17074) found by me one month ago? Yes they were real  :o ! A new classpad color is near.

(http://i.imgur.com/d1kLu.jpg)

The fx-CP400, comes which a large touch-panel color liquid crystal display (LCD) for easy viewing and operability with the incredible resolution of 320×528. We really need a screen upgrade, the old classpad screen quality was not the best.

This calculator will competing with the Nspire CX CAS.

The new Classpad model will be available in various countries starting in early summer 2013 (i cant wait :P ).

Casio just published the announcement on its Asia Website (http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/news/2012/fx-cp400/) some hours ago and I with a bit of luck found him.
Casio Usa, Europe, Casio Education still have nothing published. Im faster than them :twisted:

I did a comparative table with the characteristics already known of this calculator vs. other casio calcs and nspire cx cas. Im not 100% sure of the ram values in older casio calcs.

(http://i.imgur.com/VYMtv.jpg)

Apparently will be more powerful than the prizm  ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif).

So, what do you think of this new classpad?

Source: Casiopeia.net (http://www.casiopeia.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1465)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Adriweb on November 28, 2012, 07:52:50 pm
That's very, very nice looking.
Finally an equivalent with CAS :P

However, will it be allowed to tests ? I guess so, but who knows ?
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: epic7 on November 28, 2012, 08:28:46 pm
That looks pretty awesome!/me wants
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 28, 2012, 09:22:25 pm
Hmm... Thin color touchscreen device with a 320-pixel horizontal resolution... ;D
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: ruler501 on November 28, 2012, 09:23:55 pm
It looks a lot like a CX imo. The screen is a lot longer though.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Darl181 on November 28, 2012, 09:25:26 pm
A calc actually looking modern enough for >2010? What is this.

Still has the AAAs tho... :/

I'm wondering how similar it is to the prizm. Might some sort of cross-compatibility with a virtual keypad or something be possible?
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 28, 2012, 09:28:08 pm
I'm thinking the two companies realized the PRIZM and Nspire CX aren't really competing against each other so they're releasing new calculators for competition—84 Color against PRIZM and this against Nspire CX (CAS).

All the better for us :D
A calc actually looking modern enough for >2010? What is this.
To be fair, the Nspire CX is pretty modern.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Darl181 on November 28, 2012, 09:36:53 pm
Well I meant more along the lines of something that doesn't scream "calculator" as much. Something you can carry around in your pocket without as many people looking at you funny :P
Title: Re: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: TheNlightenedOne on November 28, 2012, 10:42:43 pm
Any ideas on specs/under-the-hood?
EDIT: Specifically  CPU?
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 28, 2012, 11:50:29 pm
The news page says nothing about it.

EDIT: Whoa, it even supports sideways orientation...
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on November 29, 2012, 03:00:01 am
Amounts of RAM and Flash much lower than those of the CX (or even the Clickpads, in fact), no rechargeable battery... hey, Casio, it's 2013 you're aiming at, not 2006 ;)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Adriweb on November 29, 2012, 04:18:27 am
Yeah, that's pretty bad...
I really wonder why they're actually restraining themselves instead of putting components that are very cheap especially in great quantities.....

(kinda like TI with the 84C for example)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 09:04:36 am
El mejor CAS que existe en una calculadora es el de la TI89 y TIv200, la classPAD330/400 se acerca mucho, proximamente subiré ejemplos que lo demuestran.
PD: La TI-nspire(CX)CAS tiene un port del CAS de la TI89 y TIv200, pero muchos de los comandos utiles (no CAS) no fueron incluidos, y no se cual fue la razón de los empresarios de Texas Instruments, por este motivo la considero la TI-nspire(CX)CAS inferior a la TI89 y TIv200

la TI89 & TIv200 las mejores calculadoras del mundo, aun sin competencia, yo solo quiero una TI89 & TIv200 a color

Google Translator  >:(

The Best CAS on a calculator is the TI89 and TIv200, the classPAD330/400 approaches, soon I'll upload examples to prove ...


The TI89 & TIv200 best calculators in the world, even without competition, I just want a "TI89 & TIv200  color"
Title: Re: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Juju on November 29, 2012, 09:06:38 am
Well, that's pretty cool :D
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2012, 09:11:16 am
Very nice in overall, although I doubt it will be much popular seeing that touchscreen calcs aren't allowed in some tests in USA, add to that Casio's inability to release stuff worldwide (eg the CP300 was never released over here). I assume retail price will end up being very expensive too.

Also CompSystem that was kinda off-topic, but is the 68K CAS better than the TI-Nspire CX CAS and HP-50g too? A year or two ago, we had a HP fanboy on the forums who kept claiming the 50g was better in every single way and the few amount of games/programs didn't matter at all, so I took his opinion about the CAS of all 4 calc series with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 09:17:48 am
Yes, the 68K CAS is better > than the TI-Nspire CX CAS and >> CP330 CAS
>>>> HP50G CAS

Spn:
El día en que yo mire los siguientes BASIC programas de http://www.ti89.com/ corriendo en las calculadoras TI-Nspire CX CAS and HP50G CAS and CP330 una de las anteriores diré lo contrario

(http://www.ti89.com/images/slide_int.gif)

Eng:
The day I see the following BASIC programs http://www.ti89.com/ running on TI-Nspire CX CAS and HP50G CAS and CP330 one of the above say otherwise
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2012, 09:18:32 am
Wow. O.O

Do you think they'll give these away like they did the prizm's?

BTW, I cross-posted this on UCF, and kept a source attribution for you. ;)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2012, 09:19:03 am
Yes, the 68K CAS  is better than the TI-Nspire CX CAS and Hp50G and CP330/400
Ok, but can you prove it with a video or something, with stuff that the rest of the calcs can't do or something? :P

would be better if a new topic was created for this, though.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 09:20:58 am
Yes, soon I'll upload a document to prove it,

Spn: El simple hecho de no poder interactuar programas en BASIC con cajas de dialogos lo hace inferior
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2012, 09:22:05 am
Also CompSystem, can you please post in English, unlike your other post? Omnimaga is an English-speaking forum. Not everyone speak Spanish. Thanks.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 09:23:24 am
OK, If you know French, the espaniol is similar, I read English, but I was not writing,  :-[
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on November 29, 2012, 09:35:14 am
Quote
the 68K CAS is better than the TI-Nspire CX CAS
The CAS of the Nspire series is derived from the CAS of the TI-68k series, and (until OS 2.1) has fewer bugs and several additional features. OS 3.x (only OS versions on the CX, at the time of this writing) added some more features, but most of all, many bugs that the TI-68k series, and earlier Nspire OS versions, never had.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on November 29, 2012, 09:36:10 am
Update 1:

A Polish calculator site affiliated with Casio published today some images with higher resolution.

(http://i.imgur.com/NTSaJ.jpg)

Picture plot function (like prizm)   :D ?

(http://i.imgur.com/K8bT2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/cTKhA.jpg)

Via kalkulatory.pl (http://www.kalkulatory.pl/blog/2012/11/29/fx-cp400-%E2%80%93-nowa-maszyna-matematyczna-casio/)

Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2012, 09:38:48 am
Interesting, although the text on that graphing background seems hard to read.

I wonder how locked down this calc will be? Casio were the first to lock their calcs down with the Classpad 300 in 2003 which caused some public outcry for the next 2 years in the Casio community. They finally released a C++ SDK in 2005 (so far, TI only released one for their interpreted Lua language, not C nor ASM).
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2012, 09:38:50 am
it seems to have a nicer font than prizm also...
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP40 with color screen!
Post by: SpiroH on November 29, 2012, 10:00:46 am
Soon rather than later, we'll get all these graphics capabilities for free (!) on cheap android-like systems (<$50). Then the golden egg math business will go down the sewage drain. Here is just the beginning: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.algeo.algeo&hl=en . ;)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2012, 10:08:44 am
Soon rather than later, we'll get all these graphics capabilities for free (!) on cheap android-like systems (<$50). Then the golden egg math business will go down the sewage drain. Here is just the beginning: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.algeo.algeo&hl=en . ;)


It'll take a while for those to be allowed on tests though...
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 10:14:32 am
The CP300 born from a dead project the HP-xpander

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7792/classpad400top.png)

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/311/classpad400side.png)

http://www.hpcalc.org/xpander.php
http://www.saltire.com/xpander.html

I think better than Casio develops Maple XVI (Super CAS) into a calculator
http://www.usedhandhelds.com/casio-application-software-maple-v-for-cassiopeia-a-21s-a-22t-handheld-pc/

Waterloo Maple and Casio Announce (1999) New Windows CE Handheld PC for Educational Market with Maple version 5.0
www.maplesoft.com   *.*
http://www.maplesoft.com/company/publications/articles/view.aspx?SID=2858

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJfa89CAUXkEMBTOHC8q3dHxoU5-GqiPQkivsik3Y4wXhnx_v0)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 11:42:12 am
engadget Info

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/casio-fx-cp400/

(http://www.blogcdn.com/es.engadget.com/media/2012/11/abeautifulcalculator.jpg)

PD:
CAS Interactive (Step to Step with Dialog Boxes) with apps of www.ti89.com (No free)  >:(
New: Run our apps of www.ti89.com on any ANDROID smartphone, tablet, netbook, E-reader, etc. using the Graph89 Emulator  

(http://www.ti89.com/images/slide_int.gif)

Step to step programs for Hp50G (No free)  >:(
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPnADmOH8og7vFXBWRVeSZA
[ Invalid YouTube link ]



















Free CAS Interactive (Step to Step with Dialog Boxes) on TI-nspire(CX)CAS When?
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Adriweb on November 29, 2012, 12:25:29 pm
Derivatives and Integrals (when done By Parts) can be done steps by steps thanks to some TI-Basic and Lua (more recently) programs.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: ben_g on November 29, 2012, 01:30:27 pm
It looks a lot like a cellphone
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Juju on November 29, 2012, 04:09:07 pm
The screen is bigger than my Android's, if it allows C like the Prizm and we can access the touchscreen, that would be pretty interesting graphically.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 04:56:10 pm
Derivatives and Integrals (when done By Parts) can be done steps by steps thanks to some TI-Basic and Lua (more recently) programs.

Is very easy code dialog boxes with the BASIC (Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) of the TI-89/V200, in the other program LUA or C (Advanced programmers.) is complicated.

The TI-Nspire BASIC is very limited than the Ti-89 BASIC. Needed to create toolbar, multiline dialog box, etc with the current command BASIC (TI-nspire) must enter a INPUT for each box.  :banghead:

adriweb If you can communicate with the management of TI calculators, please Send this request, Add the BASIC full potential of TI-89/V200 on the TI-Nspire OS v3.2

Thanks
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2012, 05:06:33 pm
I'm pretty sure the latter was already done for the Nspire before, but TI simply don't want to. Back in 2007, I'm fairly sure that they removed some BASIC commands in order to eliminate calculator gaming, but changed their mind in 2011. By 2011, however, they moved to Lua and decided to update that language instead of BASIC. I bet that if something ever replaces the Nspire line, it will only support Lua.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 29, 2012, 05:13:38 pm
Restrict commands to restrict the creativity of future programmer, is like a book maimed  >:(

A small step complement TI-89/V200 BASIC

ClrDraw : erase all the drawings
circle(x,y,r,color) : draw a circle
Line(x0,y0,x1,y1,color) : draw a segment
LineHorz(y,color) : draw a horizontal line
PtOn(x,y,color) : switch on a pixel
drawf(fct,color) : draw the graph of a function ( color is the color number)


Source: Tns file
http://www.ti-bank.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1749
(http://www.ti-bank.fr/images/command_g.png)

Who of you can code a TIBasicFull.tns file that complements unincorporated commands of the TI-89/V200

thanks
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 29, 2012, 07:30:56 pm
I think TI just wants to separate math function programs from games and other programs. Nspire BASIC and Lua serve two different functions that were both used with TI-BASIC on the 68K series, but now BASIC is specifically for math and Lua is for everything else.

I honestly don't see any reason to make Nspire BASIC any more powerful. Lua is there already and it can do far more than TI-BASIC on the other models in terms of gaming. If you think the drawback is that Lua isn't "officially" programmable on the calculator, TI's own tutorials use oclua ;)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Sorunome on November 29, 2012, 07:37:38 pm
wow, the screen to keybored scale looks so wired XD
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: _Nicco_ on November 29, 2012, 09:50:04 pm
What?  Another new color calculator coming out?  This is madness!  I can't wait to see this in stores. 

I want to get one but it would be pointless for me to do so since I already have an Nspire CX CAS.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 29, 2012, 11:59:06 pm
Restrict commands to restrict the creativity of future programmer, is like a book maimed  >:(

A small step complement TI-89/V200 BASIC

ClrDraw : erase all the drawings
circle(x,y,r,color) : draw a circle
Line(x0,y0,x1,y1,color) : draw a segment
LineHorz(y,color) : draw a horizontal line
PtOn(x,y,color) : switch on a pixel
drawf(fct,color) : draw the graph of a function ( color is the color number)


Source: Tns file
http://www.ti-bank.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1749
(http://www.ti-bank.fr/images/command_g.png)

Who of you can code a TIBasicFull.tns file that complements unincorporated commands of the TI-89/V200

thanks
Actually it would be nice if somebody actually ported TI-89 BASIC to Ndless, or wrote some sort of parser that added missing commands to TI-89 BASIC, for people who don't like Lua or find it too hard. Another cool thing would be if some 83+ commands were added too (such as the 83+ classic command prompt style input)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: ElementCoder on November 30, 2012, 02:10:54 am
 :o this looks interesting. Reminds me of that TI PLT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI_PLT_SHH1).
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on November 30, 2012, 02:17:19 am
Any ideas on the processor? Are we looking at another SH4? That would be cool.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: aeTIos on November 30, 2012, 03:29:55 am
kewl :3 I love the design.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on November 30, 2012, 08:06:13 am
CASIO must have already computer program (emulator) and manuals! I want to see what is new FX-CLASSPAD 400 CAS.

gizmodo opinions

http://gizmodo.com/5964251/you-wont-believe-how-much-graphing-calculators-have-changed?tag=graphing-calculators
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: flyingfisch on November 30, 2012, 08:39:56 am
Any ideas on the processor? Are we looking at another SH4? That would be cool.

My guess is that it is sh-4.

this is based on the fact that early classpad's had the sh-3 processor, and just recently, casio released the cp-330+ and fx power graphic 2 series, both of which have sh-4 processors. I think casio is trying to upgrade all their calcs to the new processor.

Source (http://community.casiocalc.org/topic/6666-what-processor-does-the-classpad-have/)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 30, 2012, 09:40:35 am
If any CP300 has a SH3 processor and some add-ins were made without the official SDK, then those add-ins will most likely stop working on newer Classpad 3xx calcs, like what happened with some FX-9860G add-ins.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: flyingfisch on November 30, 2012, 01:49:30 pm
If any CP300 has a SH3 processor and some add-ins were made without the official SDK, then those add-ins will most likely stop working on newer Classpad 3xx calcs, like what happened with some FX-9860G add-ins.

Exactly. CP300 addins do not work on the CP300+.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on November 30, 2012, 04:09:00 pm
Exactly. CP300 addins do not work on the CP300+.
I use add-ins created for cp300 in my cp330 and they work.
i think you want say cp330+.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 30, 2012, 04:36:37 pm
Yeah I mean on new Classpad monochrome that will be released in the future. Not sure if their name is gonna be the same. I didn't know on the cp330+ programs from the older models didn't run.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Sorunome on November 30, 2012, 10:23:50 pm
wait, it is a calculator with touch? O.o that is awesome :D
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on December 01, 2012, 08:00:59 am
As was the original classpad. The main feature this has is the higher-resolution color screen.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Dingus on December 02, 2012, 07:28:50 am
Hey wait!  What is with the stylus I see in some pictures?  If one has to use a stylus, that will be very disappointing and I won't buy one.  Using a stylus is ancient obsolete technology and Casio has made a big mistake.  I don't understand what is with the calculator makers? They come out with new devices with obsolete technology all the time. Like the lack of a touch screen on the TI stuff.  Do they think we are stupid and won't notice?  EVEN MY MICROWAVE OVEN HAS A TRUE TOUCH SCREEN, no stylus needed.  I just don't get it.  In this day and age there is just no good reason to intro a new device that requires a stylus. Bah humbug.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: fxdev on December 02, 2012, 08:40:17 am
Quote
In this day and age there is just no good reason to intro a new device that requires a stylus.

Appears to be a financial decision. They also don't have a sensor that automatically switches the display to landscape mode - you have to press a button on the screen. Anyway, maybe this is the last time we see innovations in the calculator market. A few years from now, most schools will probably allow any math smartphone apps or simple calculators only. Those high-end devices like ClassPad 400 and Nspire CX may be the last of their kind. D:
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 02, 2012, 09:01:36 am
Quote
Those high-end devices like ClassPad 400 and Nspire CX may be the last of their kind.
And it's not necessarily a bad thing. TI, Casio, HP and the others have milked dozens of millions of customers over the years, with severely overpriced devices whose hardware and software characteristics are significantly sub-par, and whose feature gap with leading edge devices keeps widening.

If schools end up allowing smartphones and/or tablets, customers will no longer have to buy the largely redundant devices that calculators have become due to technological evolution, and due to ever dumbed down testing.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Dingus on December 02, 2012, 01:38:44 pm
I agree Lionel but I don't understand why they are so short sighted.  By offering poor quality products the calc makers hasten the end of their product lines sales.  Like a solder shooting himself in the foot. He can't fight and he can't run.  He put himself out of business.  That is what I see the calc makers doing.  In the local high schools where I live, the schools made bulk purchases of iPads which they loan to the students for the semester and they are switching from calculators to ipad math apps but if the calc makers had a really great product people would buy them anyway.  My position is that I have the money to spend and the interest in buying a new calculator that has up to date technology but as long as the calc makers continue to produce obsolete junk, they are not going to get any of my money.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 02:33:04 pm
Hey wait!  What is with the stylus I see in some pictures?  If one has to use a stylus, that will be very disappointing and I won't buy one.  Using a stylus is ancient obsolete technology and Casio has made a big mistake.  I don't understand what is with the calculator makers? They come out with new devices with obsolete technology all the time. Like the lack of a touch screen on the TI stuff.  Do they think we are stupid and won't notice?  EVEN MY MICROWAVE OVEN HAS A TRUE TOUCH SCREEN, no stylus needed.  I just don't get it.  In this day and age there is just no good reason to intro a new device that requires a stylus. Bah humbug.
I'M pretty sure you don't have to use the stylus. The Nintendo DS comes with one and I can still play certain games without one. ;) Styluses are more for people with huge fingers or people who hate seeing their screen become dirty from their fingers over time.

Touch screen is not available on most calcs, however, because they would get banned from ACT/SAT tests or something. If most calcs got no touchscreen, blame this on American schools for being so restrictive compared to the rest of the world. As for allowing smartphones, then students would get on 3G internet and search Google for answers during math tests. :P

The best solution for calc companies in the future would be to start lowering prices of their devices without downgrading them. Most TI calcs should be at least half their current price. I bet it would convince even more people to get one.

Also an iPad is $599.99 and an iPod won't go under $200. I seriously hope that schools allowing tablets and cellphones will never force students to get the overpriced Apple stuff so they can get a cheaper alternative.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: calc84maniac on December 02, 2012, 02:35:22 pm
Quote
Those high-end devices like ClassPad 400 and Nspire CX may be the last of their kind.
And it's not necessarily a bad thing. TI, Casio, HP and the others have milked dozens of millions of customers over the years, with severely overpriced devices whose hardware and software characteristics are significantly sub-par, and whose feature gap with leading edge devices keeps widening.

If schools end up allowing smartphones and/or tablets, customers will no longer have to buy the largely redundant devices that calculators have become due to technological evolution, and due to ever dumbed down testing.

On the other hand, what if I don't want to buy a smartphone/tablet? :P
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on December 02, 2012, 03:49:56 pm
Hey wait!  What is with the stylus I see in some pictures?  If one has to use a stylus, that will be very disappointing and I won't buy one.  Using a stylus is ancient obsolete technology and Casio has made a big mistake.  I don't understand what is with the calculator makers? They come out with new devices with obsolete technology all the time. Like the lack of a touch screen on the TI stuff.
You can use finger touch or stylus :P
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on December 02, 2012, 08:48:25 pm
The biggest problem with using smartphones or tablets are that they support too much communication. You wouldn't let a student use google on a history test, after all.

But then, it's not difficult at all to make a tablet without wifi and 3G, or even to make a room that blocks all signals like that.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 11:20:02 pm
Yeah that's what I meant. They would need to make some sort of calculator that is like a tablet, but totally lacks the hardware needed to connect to the Internet (or at least to do so without computer assistance like CALCnet has to do). Granted, if people make cheating programs then that's an issue, but it's even worse if during an exam you can flat out download your answers online in the middle of the test.

As for a room blocking all signals, that might be a bit problematic in countries that has limited budget for school maintenance. Over here, almost every school are filled with asbestos, have terrible ventilation due to not being maintained for decades, roofs are leaking and there's no A/C in most of them. I'm betting that they would rather spend extra money on those much more important things than spend millions just to make a special 3G/wifi-proof classroom, but again they're the same government that just spent $15 billions on 35 army jets that might not be used for the next decade.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on December 03, 2012, 12:15:45 am
I do see your point, DJ. In my old high school, which recently got renovated, they have a few rooms that they've designed such that you get zero cell phone reception. Ironically enough, though, one of them has Wifi inside. :P
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on December 03, 2012, 07:57:03 am
I do see your point, DJ. In my old high school, which recently got renovated, they have a few rooms that they've designed such that you get zero cell phone reception. Ironically enough, though, one of them has Wifi inside. :P
And as they block the bluetooth signal or wifi ad-hoc from inside room? Even with these rooms is possible use bluetooth or a ad-hoc network to communicate with other people in the room.

But this is not the biggest problem.
With a tablet, for example it is possible to store  pdf files (e-books) with many exemples, exercices, etc... They may even block communication but how they would control something like this?
With a calculator it is possible to store some notes, but nothing comparable to using a tablet... Imagine a tablet with 32 or even 64gb...

Moreover as they can control the use of cas in tests where not allowed?
How can they block the viewing of images in the U.S.?
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 03, 2012, 02:38:08 pm
There would definitively need to be an Android and iPhone app that restricts access to certain features for a certain amount of minutes specified by a teacher that students have to install on their phone before being allowed to use it on tests, but then, some people might just root their phone to bypass those app restrictions through different means or they might just use a counterfeit version of the app that doesn't work.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Dingus on December 04, 2012, 08:06:57 pm
Thanks for the reply DJ_O that you are pretty sure that one doesn't need to use the stylus but the fact that it is shown in pictures with the new classpad still worries me.  Notice that the ipad is never shown with a stylus.  That is because when selecting from things that are close together, one can expand and move the center of the screen.  Apple provides that capability so that a stylus is never necessary.  I wonder if the new classpad has the same capability?  If not, then I suppose there will be times when the stylus is needed.  Yes I would like to buy the new classpad but not if I cannot expand the screen because that would not be up to date technology and definitely not if in some cases the stylus is required.  There is a lot of good technology available in the electronics market place but the calculator companies always seem to use old technology.  So as far as I am concerned they can keep their crap and I'll continue to use my same old calculators and keep my money.   
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: ruler501 on December 04, 2012, 08:22:23 pm
Dingus styluses are not out of date. They can be very useful for drawing more precisely. Samsung's recent Galaxy Notes all come with styluses that seem to be pretty useful(wish I could get one to test that)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: chiefpiggy on December 05, 2012, 12:22:09 am
Would lower ram mean worse processing speed compared to the cx cas? Do you know what language the calc is written in? This looks like a very promising handheld. I saw someone else post about other touchscreen calcs. Can you guys name a few? Thanks guys
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 05, 2012, 02:09:25 am
Quote
Would lower ram mean worse processing speed compared to the cx cas?
For some algorithms, definitely.
And while I don't know much about the SH3/SH4 ISA, I know that the ARM ISA is, in the end, quite good, so the processor clock speed would have to be close to, or higher, than the Nspire's clock speed.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on December 05, 2012, 04:31:45 am
SH processors do come in much faster than what the nspire has (the dreamcast had an sh-4 that ran at 200 mhz stock), so we don't really know. However, judging by the RAM available it's probably pretty close to the prizm, which is weaker than the cx by a fair amount.

However, it would be a small enough difference that OS design would be a big enough factor to change the speed comparison. The nspire's OS is ridiculously slow at even the most basic math routines. It gets beaten by its predecessor, the 84+ (Ridiculously lower specs) on several examples. If the classpad is written more efficiently, code-wise, it could easily outperform the nspire series.

Also, if it's anything at all like the prizm, no jailbreak will be necessary. :D You should be able to simply compile and send add-ins to the calc.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on December 10, 2012, 12:46:29 pm
New images:

(http://i.imgur.com/vaPEI.jpg)

: Tap to rotate  (320 × 528) dots   
: Long expressions seen in full
: Stylus or finger touch
(http://i.imgur.com/EviNV.jpg)

:Rechargeable battery?
:Cursor PAD?
:IDE (C/C++)?
:Dialog Boxes (I/O data ~TI-89/TI-Voyage200PLT)?
:Computer Software (Emulator)?
:CAS CP330+ optimized?
(http://i.imgur.com/o5IEw.jpg)

: Projector
(http://i.imgur.com/ZrvQZ.jpg)

Source
http://www.casio.edu.shriro.com.au/


(http://www.geektoys.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/fx-CP400.jpg)
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/cp400.png)
(http://www.cemetech.net/img/news/fxcp400b.jpg)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2012, 01:09:26 pm
I hope that thing isn't too heavy, because while it is easy to hold a cellphone sideways, a TI-83 Plus (to play some games requiring it to be sideways) was a different story (the calc being too heavy and huge prevented you from holding it from the sides without having to put fingers in front of it, the latter which made you cover parts of the LCD due to LCD borders being too small and the keyboard+battery area putting extra weight on the side, making you tilt the calc by mistake sometimes)

I also hope that they won't change it to have automatic rotation and if there is, I hope it can be disabled, because it's annoying with cellphones and I can't imagine how bad it will be with a calc in class.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on December 10, 2012, 06:43:02 pm
IIRC Classpads are significantly smaller and lighter than ti calcs, so hopefully it won't be too much of an issue.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Sorunome on December 10, 2012, 06:45:12 pm
That is pretty awesome, i like the tap to rotate!
I wonder what tis response will be...
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2012, 11:16:20 pm
Also, I hope that the tap to rotate and the touchscreen's tap to click is not like the TI-Nspire touchpad.

WIth the TI-Nspire touchpad, TI's definition of tapping or touching means taking an hammer and smashing the touchpad so that it even has chances to register the click/moving.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 11, 2012, 10:19:55 am
That is pretty awesome, i like the tap to rotate!
I wonder what tis response will be...
They will probably ignore it. IIRC touch screens are not viable on standard testing (at least in the US) for some reason. Also, TI did prototype a calculator like this at one point but ended up scrapping the idea.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 11, 2012, 10:26:04 am
Indeed, they will probably ignore it, all the more the announced hardware specs of the Classpad fx-CP400 are far from threatening the hardware specs of the Nspire series.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on December 11, 2012, 11:04:17 am
Please can create a table comparing calculators between CASIO FX-CP400 and TI-nspire(CX)cas

Thanks
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on December 11, 2012, 02:19:37 pm
Luckily for Casio, the classpad has an exemption for the standardized tests.

We can't make a table yet, since we don't actually know all the specs for the new classpad.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on December 11, 2012, 02:50:50 pm
Indeed, we can't make a complete table - but from the information which was released publicly, it seems that Casio's new model will have:
* about two orders of magnitude (!) less user-accessible RAM than the CX (CAS) has: 500 KB vs. (64 MB minus the OS code+data, about 50 MB);
* at least four times less storage space (see the mention of 24 MB on the previous page, while the Nspire has 128 MB in total and leaves a bit more than 100 MB accessible to users).
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: fxdev on December 12, 2012, 01:00:29 pm
The original ClassPad 300 has a 16 MB ROM chip and an 8 MB RAM chip (as part of an ASIC). We can expect the fx-CP 400 to feature a 64 MB ROM chip and a 32 MB RAM chip (stores most of the OS during operation). Processor should be the same as on their latest ClassPad 330 Plus: SH7305 with higher clock speed.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: flyingfisch on December 15, 2012, 07:42:34 pm
Just made this, I think it's got all the specs we know abut so far.

(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/2-cp400vector.png)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: CompSystems on December 20, 2012, 04:49:40 pm
CASIO FX-ClassPAD400 (fx-cp400 )High resolution images

link
http://www.facebook.com/casioschulrechner

PD: Please paste pictures ^ here v
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: Sorunome on December 20, 2012, 04:57:24 pm
we can watch yt vids in 320p B)
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on December 20, 2012, 05:46:32 pm
CASIO FX-ClassPAD400 High resolution images

link
http://www.facebook.com/casioschulrechner

Nice find. It has a picture of the future "main Menu".
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on January 06, 2013, 10:38:36 pm
Well, that one confirms the SHA-4 chip inside, if that wasn't already a given.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2013, 10:20:41 pm
I assume this means it will be much easier to port PRIZM games to it?
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on January 08, 2013, 02:41:10 am
Exactly. It's the same Architecture all the Casio devs are familiar with.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: helder7 on January 08, 2013, 07:13:17 am
I assume this means it will be much easier to port PRIZM games to it?
I do not know well.
As i remember, there are only 2 games ported between classpad300/330 and fx9860.
The classpad use the touch screen and keyboard as input whereas prizm only use keyboard.
The screens also have different resolution.
Title: Re: Casio will Release a new Classpad fx-CP400 with color screen!
Post by: willrandship on January 08, 2013, 07:20:02 am
The fact that they have similar processors helps far more than similar screens and input methods.