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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2014, 01:34:17 pm »
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Hmm, geek or another staff/admin, you might want to insert the front page news inside QUOTE tags because apparently it was copied verbatim from the original english post on TI-Planet, which they see as plagerism: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=15498#p172161
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It was a translation of the original news article from ti-planet. It wasn't translated when geekboy posted the news.
I'm pretty sure it was (otherwise it couldn't have been the same words/sentences), however the actual link to the specific english version wasn't written at the top of the post at that time. But the english version was still accessible if you enabled the global english flag on ti-planet (top right of the site). The post now shows the fr+en links.
I had it enabled and only the first two sentences were translated, nothing else.

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But anyway, copy/paste verbatim (without quoting, that is), is, indeed, not acceptable.
(Or a newly written article could be posted, with no need for quoting etc., just the source - which was apparently what Juju was supposed/about to do, but Geekboy posted the topic before he could)
Exactly, like in the IRC logs. (Looks like I forgot to paste the link into my previous post: http://chat.eeems.ca:9003/?server=irc.omnimaga.org%206667&channel=omnimaga&date=Sun%20Nov%2002%202014#1414963253288)
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The posts after critor's are even worse, just bitching about omnimaga. Critor could just have posted here or mailed that he doesn't like the way this had been cross-posted

Well, admins/staff from both sites know about the situation anyway, without the need for critor to post here (which he won't, like others, for other reasons some time ago - but you don't seem to know the whole story, so yeah, that could appear as bashing with no reasons, while in fact, there are. But that's not the topic here ;) )
I know something about it and I could also notice some of the disrespect, but this now is just exaggerating beyond human levels :-/

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Edit : oh well, Lionel replied also (to you) here : https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=172189#p172189 in which he says the same as me here, pretty much
Really? He posted a reply to my post on another thread on another forum? That's just childish.

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(Edit 2 : Also, English is not a problem on TI-Planet if you/anyone want(s) to post stuff there - contrary to posting french or another language here on Omni, which is understandable)
I know, but at least 80% of the posts I want to read are french, even those from parisse who wanted to get some help with the toolchain. Especially French is hard to translate if it contains mistakes like missing "`"s.

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Hmm, geek or another staff/admin, you might want to insert the front page news inside QUOTE tags because apparently it was copied verbatim from the original english post on TI-Planet, which they see as plagerism: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=15498#p172161
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It was a translation of the original news article from ti-planet. It wasn't translated when geekboy posted the news.Granted, instead of "site: [...]" he should have written "source: [...]", but that's it (and also corrected some small grammatical mistakes).

Oh I didn't know it was translated from the French news (although I wonder who wrote the first translation? Unless Geek used Google Translate). Everything went on so fast that when I saw the news was nearly identical to TI-Planet's, I thought it was really copied from TI-Planet's English translation. I think that if a news editor translates a news from another site, he should perhaps post it like I suggested, though (or if he's worried about the news being too long, then put a link saying it was translated from original post on TI-Planet). After all, a translated news still holds the original content.
In the IRC logs it looks like that The_King translated it.

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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2014, 01:36:33 pm »
I'll let you compare both texts so you can see it's actually the same (+ even the same typos, that since have been fixed (?) ) :)

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@Fabian : Oh well, maybe when you first visited it, it wasn't fully translated yet, sure - but that's not the issue here anyway.
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2014, 01:39:51 pm »
I know, just the formatting is missing. All I know about this are the IRC logs and that it was only barely translated at the time I wrote the IRC message :(

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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2014, 01:54:42 pm »
I guess no hard feelings should be held against whoever suggested/translated the news and perhaps reposted the result on the front page with the source. Editors just gotta make sure in the future to verify their news source in case they might be copying the content by mistake, else members or visitors will get ideas. ;)
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2014, 02:02:35 pm »
From what I can tell from the conversation at TI-Planet, apparently someone copied the translation and gave it to Geekboy.
then again my french is really bad so I might be misunderstanding things.
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2014, 02:05:38 pm »
From what I can tell from the conversation at TI-Planet, apparently someone copied the translation and gave it to Geekboy.
then again my french is really bad so I might be misunderstanding things.


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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2014, 02:07:35 pm »
This whole thing can be solved by properly quoting the content - why should there be more talk....
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2014, 03:04:54 pm »
This is pretty awesome news, even though I don't have an nspire.
I find it funny how we keep find exploits in TIs software to allow ndless somehow :)

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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2014, 03:18:11 pm »
I find it funny how we keep find exploits in TIs software to allow ndless somehow :)
It's simple: TI keeps writing buggy software...

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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2014, 05:48:09 pm »
It's quoted via the site at the bottom, And I got it from The_King under his statement that he translated it. Apologies for the headaches, But not my fault! That being said site has been changed to Source: Shy of that not to worried about the rest the content is there and that is what matters. It is nice to finally have tho!

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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2014, 05:56:38 pm »
Well, at least the source was there since the very start which is good. I guess one solution is to check if the other site doesn't have an existing English version of their news on their front page to avoid any confusion. Or perhaps wait a few hours before relaying the news in case, but in the current situation this was very important TI-Nspire news so waiting was not necessarily a good option.


Congrats again to whoever made this downgrade utility. :) Last night I have notified new members who were seeking for an OS 3.9 downgrade utility in the last few weeks.
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2014, 06:03:15 pm »
When I had posted it I had no clue there was an English page available, Nor did i know Ti-planet was viewable in English. Just learned that today! But yes bravo extended another wonderful job :p

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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2014, 06:29:47 pm »
Ah ok


On a side note, I am surprised that Texas Instruments didn't release a new OS yet since this downgrade fix exploit came out. Normally, it just takes 1 hour or less. <_<
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2014, 09:13:42 am »
I tried using this, but after i opened the .tns file and connected my nspire to the computer, it said "downgrade protection disabled" and now the computer doesn't register the calculator is plugged in, even other nspires don't acknowledge the connection
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Re: Downgrade For Ti-nspire os 3.9 released
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2014, 09:16:36 am »
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I tried using this, but after i opened the .tns file and connected my nspire to the computer, it said "downgrade protection disabled" and now the computer doesn't register the calculator is plugged in, even other nspires don't acknowledge the connection
Reboot the calc and try again, some attempts may fail.