Omnimaga
Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: ExtendeD on May 21, 2011, 11:06:27 am
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Did some of you know about these Lua samples (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jaLbsb-tRMIJ:www.compasstech.com.au/TNS_Authoring/scripting.html+%22new+functionality+to+the+platform+in+the+form+of%22&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr&source=www.google.fr)? The page has been removed by its author but the TNS (http://www.compasstech.com.au/TNS_Authoring/Player_Files/) and Lua source files (http://www.compasstech.com.au/TNS_Authoring/Scripting/) are still available.
They seem to have been produced by the official (currently private) Lua SDK.
(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8526.0;attach=7861;image)
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Whoa... So there really is an SDK. I wonder what TI'll do with it.
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Nice find! I wonder if we'll ever see that SDK.
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It's even nicer than I initially thought. I urge you to search for "tools" on the Lua source file page (as long as it's still there).
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This is real cool!
Lets hope TI will release the SDK open to the public!
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look here : http://www.compasstech.com.au/TNS_Authoring/Scripting/
And the two zip files Script_Tools.zip and Scripts_and_Docs.zip ;)
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But "open to the public" isn't really this.
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Is it just me, or did the /scripting directory get taken down?
PS- First post :)
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Is it just me, or did the /scripting directory get taken down?
PS- First post :)
Yes. We have backups of the files, so a mirror might appear soon.
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The site owner has probably notice heavy downloads and taken it down.
But a mirror would be illegal.
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Yes, you're right. We'll have to be careful.
I'm the kind of person who usually doesn't care about legal issues :P
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Takedown-resistant hosting would remain illegal, but hard to take down.
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I moved this to the news section. Interesting stuff.
I guess they leaked it but it was a mistake.
I definitively think they plan to release a SDK in the future, but will it be free?
I wonder if the following news was related? http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1109 It talks about some TI-BANK staff having been contacted by TI to test something allowing them to create Lua files, but couldn't tell more, because the rest of the info remains confidential for now.
Right afterward, a TI-Nspire Lua website opened: http://www.inspired-lua.org/
I do not know if the latter is by the community or not, though, but there seems to be some clues that a SDK or tool to create Lua files for OS 3.0.2 might arrive.
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The site owner has probably notice heavy downloads and taken it down.
But a mirror would be illegal.
Why?
Would it be more illegal than hosting old TI OSes/softwares for exemple? In what way?
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I definitively think they plan to release a SDK in the future, but will it be free?
Well, after the leak, even if they wanted, they'd have a hard time selling the SDK...
The TI-Bank news #1109 is related, indeed.
inspired-lua.org is ruled by critor, Levak and AdRiWeB.
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Would it be more illegal than hosting old TI OSes/softwares for exemple? In what way?
It wouldn't be more illegal, but TI would care much more.
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this is a great discovery, but it looks this was done with the same tools that we have.
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The site owner has probably notice heavy downloads and taken it down.
But a mirror would be illegal.
Why?
Would it be more illegal than hosting old TI OSes/softwares for exemple? In what way?
In the past, TI asked some english sites to take down copies of TI-Program Editor, TI-Connect 1.5 and OSes they were hosting. That was around 2003-05, when people started hosting the program editor after TI removed it from TI-Connect 1.6. They were american sites, though. Laws in France might be different.I definitively think they plan to release a SDK in the future, but will it be free?
Well, after the leak, even if they wanted, they'd have a hard time selling the SDK...
The TI-Bank news #1109 is related, indeed.
inspired-lua.org is ruled by critor, Levak and AdRiWeB.
I see. Thanks for the info.
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this is a great discovery, but it looks this was done with the same tools that we have.
No, it wasn't. Official TI tools were used - tools that work perfectly with 3.0.2.
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but Why is my (and Lionel's) script used ? (as written : "LuatoTNS2.sh") ?
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Where ?
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It's just advertised, not used.
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It's just advertised, not used.
Ah, ok :)
I wan't on the site when everything was still there so ... :P
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Well, he has a screenshot of it being used to compile one of the included files.
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Or maybe they are faking an offficial SDK to tease us, but in fact only our tools were used to create those Lua examples? ???
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Or maybe they are faking an offficial SDK to tease us, but in fact only our tools were used to create those Lua examples? ???
That would be funny xD
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It links to hackspire, that's why I though it was made with the tools made by the community.
If it was saved on the 3.0.1 student software it would work as perfectly on OS 3.0.2 as if it was made with TI tools or a SDK, right?
How can one prove there were used oficial ti tools and its not a simple save on the student software?
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How can one prove there were used oficial ti tools and its not a simple save on the student software?
Thats what I was believing, but some people say they're using official stuff ... ?
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Yeah it's confusing really. ???
However with the TI-BANK news lately about stuff they are not allowed to disclose, I wouldn't be surprised if official tools were used.
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The owner of he website uses LuaToTNS, but John Powers uses its own converter coded in C++/Qt4 compatible with TI-Nspire Computer Software.
John Powers made all those samples.
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It contains a real SDK, and very very much information regarding Lua. And it the real stuff, not copied from hackspire.
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It contains a real SDK,
No. It doesn't contain a SDK but a tool. It is not the asme as a SDK helps also to program.
Here the tool only open the lua script and we have to paste the result (stored in the clipboard) to TI Nspire Computer Software.
If this is really the SDK that TI will publish, I will be really confused.
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If this is really the SDK that TI will publish, I will be really confused.
Yeah, indeed. The format that the program stores to the clipboard can certainly be reverse-engineered and replicated, and there are several flexible, extensible third-party IDEs for Lua...
I somewhat doubt that an official SDK would be really much better than this kind of setup.
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Oh, ok. Thanks for correcting me!
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Please pardon my naivete, but is there any chance that the SDK (or whatever it is) will be back up anytime soon?
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I highly, highly doubt it.
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Okeydoke... :(
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TI is gonna try to charge us for something. Just watch.
Also, I wonder if they thought we would discover the Lua programming so soon.
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I wonder if they would have told us if we asked.
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I don't think I'll pay anything more, it should be accessible as a add-on for the student software or in any future update of a 3.1 OS where they could eventually extend the possibilities of BASIC and Lua... But this is me just dreaming...
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Well, considering that the "SDK" has already been leaked, I don't think there's much room for TI to charge for the SDK... it would be pretty illogical of them.
Therefore, they probably will try to charge for it. :P
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leaked? where is it?
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It was on one of the sites on the first post. The site got taken down, but apparently, some people managed to download it before it was taken down.
Either that, or I'm getting confused, which isn't out of the question.
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can someone send it to me (PM with link or email)? plz
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Could someone email it to me too? That would be really great!
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Wouldn't it be illegal for people to send it around?
I want it if I can possibly get it
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TI-Bank just got the official authorization to host some of the files that were leaked yesterday.
For now, only two of the sample Lua files. Maybe more during the week...
Enjoy!
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1120
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Wow nice, I wonder if they'll eventually let you host the Tetris game?
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Wow nice, I wonder if they'll eventually let you host the Tetris game?
Don't know... it's a "game"...
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to provide mostly math stuff for now.
Unless they want to eventually sell it on TI website... <_< (it would suck if they tried to prevent third-party game development just to take control of the TI gaming development scene and charge money for most games they release. But again, they are more likely to charge for an SDK than anything else.
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TI-Bank just got the official authorization to host some of the files that were leaked yesterday.
For now, only two of the sample Lua files. Maybe more during the week...
They let us do something! :w00t:
Hopefully this means the SDK'll stay free.
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TI-Bank just got the official authorization to host some of the files that were leaked yesterday.
For now, only two of the sample Lua files. Maybe more during the week...
Enjoy!
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1120
Wow, this is actually quite surprising. I'm not sure what to make of TI's decision here...
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What is the difference between these Lua programs and the ones we made? are they signed or something?
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They're compressed+encrypted with the 0D method, but they're not signed.
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What is the difference between these Lua programs and the ones we made? are they signed or something?
They're 0D compressed.
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Wow, this is good news! I'm pleasantly surprised :)
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I smell TI-appstore. :P
Great news indeed.
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hmm did anyone get the chance to dl the tetris tns while it was up? Can they email it to me if so?
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so we just have to figure out OD compression to make our own if TI makes them for pay?
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so we just have to figure out OD compression to make our own if TI makes them for pay?
Yes, and I believe that we're quite close to figuring it out: http://ndlessly.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/d-method-encryption-and-lua-hopes-for-os-3-0-2/ (http://ndlessly.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/d-method-encryption-and-lua-hopes-for-os-3-0-2/)
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thats great. So chances are we will no longer need an SDK from TI soon.
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/me just hope the program to encrypt the files is called Ncrypt. This is my suggestion for a name :P
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*ruler501 likes Snake X's idea
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/me will add this to his list of reasons he wants an Nspire :P