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Title: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: critor on August 07, 2013, 06:58:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/uu0e2oT.png)

Hello everyone,

After our pre-release HP Prime test (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12682) thanks to its software, then our hands-on Classpad II fx-CP400 test article (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=12690), the potential competitor of the Nspire CX CAS from Casio
HP gave us the green light to publish articles about the HP Prime in advance :)
We would like to give thank HP for giving us the calculator, and we would also note that this test was made on a prototype calculator hardware (and software), and thus we can safely say that production versions can only be the same or better - trivial bugs found on beta OS updates being quickly fixed in the next updates. A first final OS is to be announced by the end of August. ;-)

This test is aimed to show you our general thoughts about the calculator and doesn’t go
in depth about applications, which was dealt with a little bit in a previous news (the first link above) - we recommend you to read it if haven't already, those two news - this one and the last one - are complementary, and details will be the topic of an another article soon : the comparison between TI-Nspire applications, HP Prime, and Casio fx-CP400.

Enjoy :)


Summary
1) Global presentation
This beast you find in the middle, we would pleasantly take just as yet-another scientific calculator, however it’s NOT ; it's the HP Prime, the brand new 2013 back-to-school buzzed-about calculator, and it is apparently the (most) powerful of the graphing calculators list. And also, this girly-we-would-say is not eye-appealing and can be put with its calculator friends, limiting thief risks ... until we actually see the front side.
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2781) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2781)

This one done, it shows a unique very clean design and a collapsable cover with 4 anti-slipping pads, set with a “hp” silver-colored embossed logo. The cover removed, the calculator shows two areas : a black one at the top with the screen where you can see the clickpad and some application keys, and a silver-colored bottom area with the numpad, operation and function keys.
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2774) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2774) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2775) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2775)

How could we miss it that much ? With only 18,23x8,58cm², it is of course the smallest CAS-capable graphing calculator worldwide !
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2780) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2780) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2776) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2776)

Despite this, it places itself on second position on the screen size (behind the Casio fx-CP400), with a screen of 320x240 pixels (like TI-Nspire), but with a bigger surface of of 7x5,4cm². The screen takes the spotlight, leaving thin lateral and superior borders.

However, with only 1,39cm thinness without cover, and 1,5 to 1,6 with, it gets rid of TI-Nspire CX in the thinness race, and becomes the world’s thinnest CAS-capable calculator ;)
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2783) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2783) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2782) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2782)

And finally, by weighting 228g, and even 180g without cover and 140g without the battery, it is also the lightest CAS-equipped graphing calculator ever marketed. A very nice pocket-sized handheld :)
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2777) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2777) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2778) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2778) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2786) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2786)



2) Packaging & Connections
Here’s the packaging :
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2788) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2788) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2787) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2787) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2789) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2789)

And now its content :
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2772) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2772) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2795) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2795)
(also with a CD-ROM not shown here)

(http://i.imgur.com/LjIdnw6.png)


As it is more and more the case on ultrathin devices, the HP-Prime calculator has a micro-USB mixed plug (A-type and B-type). Thus it can be used as a computer device (micro-USB B-type) or receive from  its own type(micro-USB A-type). Take note that those cables are not as widespread as mini-USB cables that are not compatible. Made that way, you should take care not to lose them and to have them ready to use.




3) Design & Screen
As indicated on the sticker on the back, we have here a DVT prototype:
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2792) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2792) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2767) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2767) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2797) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2797) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2801) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2801) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2794) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2794) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2770) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2770) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2791) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2791) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2790) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2790) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2798) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2798) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2799) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2799) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2773) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2773)

Specifications :
- Size : 18.23 x 8.58 x 1.39 cm (7.13 x 3.38 x .550 in)
- Weight : 228 g (8.04 oz)

As said before, the design is very well made. While its weight is quite low, it is still easy to use it.

The brushed metal reminds us of a calc-concept made by Levak; the TI-Nspire CX Titanium ;)
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=370) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=370)


Let's note that on this prototype, the color of the calculator’s back is white. On production models, it will be changed to black.


The screen is a 16-bits color (65536 colors) 3.5" (8.9 cm) multi-touch TFT screen, with a 320x240pixels resolution. Thus giving a 114 ppi resolution (slight lower than the TI-Nspire or the CP400, respectively 125~128)



4) Power supply & Boot

The HP-Prime is powered by a Li-ion battery, which doesn’t need any cable. It's very easily put inside the calculator. The battery has a 3.7V voltage like the TI-Nspire, but for a 1500mAh capacity (giving a total of 5,55Wh). Thus it gives a higher capacity than white TI-Nspire batteries shipped with TI-Nspire Touchpad (in 2010), and its spec always lowered since that. You can find what TI makes here (http://wiki.tiplanet.org/Batterie_rechargeable_TI) to compare..
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2768) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2768) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2779) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2779)

But beyond the battery specs, one has to see if the calculators actually consumes less power. According to HP, the battery is fully charged in 4 hours and would give the calc 20 hours of "normal" usage.


After booting, we have in this order :
- HP Logo splashscreen
- Boot animation (circle equation then its graph)
- Language selection screen (only during the first boot)
- Main screen (numeric calculus)
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2769) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2769)

The complete boot (when totally unpowered) takes around 8 seconds. Very fast, then, like the Casio fx-CP400, making the Nspire ridiculous. Maybe security software overlays are different behind those booting times...




5) The most important : Math and Graphs
While those essential informations were addressed on our previous news thanks to the emulator, and will be readdressed in depth soon in our application comparaison between Prime, Nspire, and CP400, here are some thoughts and a user feeling feedback of the usage on the real calculator.
Some points are actually so important that they may also appeared in comparaison news and could be already addressed on the previous article.

6) Interaction and user experience

7) Other applications / Programming
- Programming on the calculator is possible, in HP Basic, known for its lightning-fast speed. This language is compatible with HP-39GII.
You can see some benchmarks and comparisons with many calculators on
HP-Museum (http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=700)

In short, we have, for the same program (only syntax differs according to the maker) of the N-Queen algorithm :
1min30 on the Casio CP300+ (!), 2.1 sec on TI-Nspire, and 0.4s on the HP Prime.

Thus, the HP Prime has, according to those tests, the fastest non-compiled language (interpreted ; if it’s one), behind Lua on Nspire (0.045 sec.), a remarkable performance for a Basic language ! What would Lua give if HP allowed it... ?

Speaking about “non allowed” (at least, not implemented), we can note that only Basic is possible (and no SysRPL unlike other HP calculator models). As far as we know, no SDK is planned - and thus no native Programming in C or ASM, and not even a mid-range language like Lua. That's too bad...
However, it is not impossible that if the platform is getting developers interested in it enough, we might see security exploits found and used to allow native calculator language, like on the TI-Nspire through the Ndless jailbreak.



8) Misc :
Some points we found while using the calculator, that we’ve missed (or were not here) on our news on the emulator :


EDIT : It's actually there, just not documented : [ON] +
Edit : [On]+[Symb] seems to do the trick too :)

Conclusion:
Without any particular order, here’s a table which summarizes the good parts and those that may need some improvements :
Main positive points :
Main negative points : :
  • Design / Comfort
  • Specifications
  • Overall speed (calcaultions, graphs, programs)
  • Basic compatibility with the HP-39Gii
  • Good color screen usage
  • Good CAS engine (even if some points have to be improved)
  • Price (relative to its competitors ; 155€)
  • ...
  • Multi-touch not enough developed
  • No 3D graphing
  • No other programming languages than HP Basic
  • No "documents" (but thatt’s a choice.)
  • GUI could be improved in some areas

- For a first OS version (and yet, we only have a pre-release version, which could only get improved before it’s official announcement !) on this new device, HP strikes hard to counter Casio and obviously TI.
The negative points we mentioned clearly shows all the efforts HP must make in the future on the software side (which is something good : a hardware modification is way much more annoying...), so we are looking forward in the future to some updates addressing those "issues" ;)

- Something we could say without being wrong I guess, is that this calculator is a good choice for those who are already working or need a portable and powerful device, but also for teachers and students who do not have an educative system looking for educational activities with calculators (in France, or even Europe, then, the Prime should do a fierce competition against TI, but probably less in the USA). Indeed, as said before, the Nspire shows a good potential, mainly for having a document/file system saving applications on a precise state, and organized by its own user. This approach is not the one taken by HP, whose style is more “one application only”. It doesn’t mean that no educational activity files will be made for Prime platform - there will be obviously and would be adapted to the presentation of the calculator. The future will tell us that !


See you later for our big news of application comparison on the TI-Nspire, HP Prime, and Casio fx-CP400 :-)

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Credits :
Content by Adriweb & Critor
English translation by Adriweb & Laurae


Download :
HP Prime Software (http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=19496) (Latest version, the one that ships with the calculator - no trial, this is the full and only version!)
Gallery with all the images (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/album.php?album_id=194)

Source :
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12805&lang=en
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 07, 2013, 08:24:20 pm
I tried the language on-calc and while it is very good in the emulator, I hope it's still kinda fast on the real machine (even if slower, if it's as fast or faster than the 39gII it will rule) and I hope that HP does the marketing and bug fixing properly. It's hard to find anything calc-related on HP's main website and they didn't do much effort to market their products in the past. As for bugs, I mean how the 39gII was so buggy that it often required reformating the calc with a new firmware.

On a side note, since the calc is so thin, does it seem to bend? With thin electronic products like my Nspire CX or an iPod Touch I was always worried that if wrongly placed somewhere, I might accidentally bend them too much then crack them in half.
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: ruler501 on August 07, 2013, 08:27:27 pm
I would like to see if the emulator runs at close to the same speed as the calc or as fast as the computer it is on? Could someone test that with the program mentioned in the article to see how the time comparison fares?
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 07, 2013, 08:33:40 pm
The emulators for each HP calc runs about hundreds of times faster than the real calc, due to lack of speed throttling options.

This is why before venturing too far into complex programs (such as tilemappers), we'll need Critor and whoever has the calc in their hands to compare and ensure that our programs runs fast enough.

For tilemapping, though, since the processor is much faster, the LCD isn't a bottleneck like it was on the CSE, so if sprites have to be generated via pixel or rectangle commands, you can simply use 8x8 sprites made of 2x2 squares like the upcoming xLIB CSE will do. In the worst case scenario, you could also scale up your sprites 3x for 13x10 tilemaps that fills a 312x240 area of the screen.

If the calc has built in images/sprite support, then it's even better. Also the best thing for such data would be if the BASIC language had pointer support to a certain extent (eg being able to read data from a certain RAM area). I'll really have to dig through help files.

EDIT: Also since the language is kinda similar to Casio FX and to a lesser extent some TI-BASIC languages, and that the emulator is publicly available to anyone who lacks the real calc, it shouldn't be too hard to port programs, since we can already edit and test them on our computer.
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Adriweb on August 07, 2013, 08:53:59 pm
I would like to see if the emulator runs at close to the same speed as the calc or as fast as the computer it is on? Could someone test that with the program mentioned in the article to see how the time comparison fares?
It looks like the computer software is like 8-10 times faster for the Advanced Graphing plots (the demo gallery thing)

The software is not an emulator, it runs natively the same codebase, just compiled for the PC (same as the Nspire, but way less extended to a real software POV)

Source : a dev (Tim wessman) on the HP Museum forums, when I actually asked about the software :P
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Legimet on August 08, 2013, 02:18:20 am
Interesting. I like the password thing in the exam mode, it will help users that accidentally activated it and don't have a computer (or other TI-Nspire) nearby.
I wonder if we will need an HPless for this? :P
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 08, 2013, 02:21:10 am
What I like about the exam mode is that there is a timeout. On the 84+, to disable exam mode, you had to link your calc to another one then send a list or something. If no one wanted to link to your calc for any reason (being jerks, for example), then you were screwed until you either find an alternate way to disable that mode or that you clear your RAM, losing all your programs.

Now the teacher just have to type in 2 hours then after 2 hours your calc is fine again.
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: bb010g on August 08, 2013, 02:22:36 am
I'm hoping that something like the custom add-in system on the Prizm is available. (I'm guessing native code would be in C++, if the emulator team and the calculator team are the same.)
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 08, 2013, 02:25:33 am
Quote
I wonder if we will need an HPless for this? :P
Of course, as expected anyway... but unfortunately, still.

EDIT: I mean, in the comments of the TI-Planet topic linked above, someone whose account has an @hp.com address posted:
Quote
[Pas de prog autre que HP Basic] Hez ben oui, mais si on avais de la prog native, il ne faudrait pas longtemps pour que le mode 'examen' ne soit plus fiable...
which translates to
Quote
[No programming capabilities besides HP Basic]Hey yeah, but if there were native programming, it wouldn't be long before the 'exam' mode becomes unreliable...

That silly note of him shows blatant lack of knowledge of the history of computing and calculators (the Nspire's exam mode fell only because TI went far too boneheaded about attempting to prevent users from unleashing the full power of the highly expensive and underpowered tools that they own because they bought them), but oh well... many employees of calculator manufacturers, especially in the management chain, see openness as a threat to the business model, instead of seeing it as the asset that it always has been...

If the platform is popular enough, arbitrary native code execution and Linux will eventually come to the platform. It's only a matter of interest and time.
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: timwessman on August 08, 2013, 11:27:24 pm
but oh well... many employees of calculator manufacturers, especially in the management chain, see openness as a threat to the business model, instead of seeing it as the asset that it always has been...

If the platform is popular enough, arbitrary native code execution and Linux will eventually come to the platform. It's only a matter of interest and time.

Nah, he was just making a rather poor joke that really didn't come across well. He definitely doesn't think that way.

Personally, I will be surprised if someone doesn't have an embedded Linux kernel booting on it a few weeks after wide availability. (S3C2416)

TW

Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 09, 2013, 12:59:19 am
From what I could read on IRC, for the time being it will be like Casio with the PRIZM, where ASM/C is possible, but not officially, and no blocking of third-party native language programs will be locked down as long as the community plays nice, right?
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 09, 2013, 03:11:26 am
S3C2416, which means, among other things, a 2D accelerator, according to
http://www.arm.com/community/partners/display_product/rw/ProductId/2255/
http://elinux.org/S3C2416
http://www.armkits.com/download/S3C2416_UM_Rev1.30_20090306.pdf
That's an excellent thing :)

Quote
Personally, I will be surprised if someone doesn't have an embedded Linux kernel booting on it a few weeks after wide availability.
Are you challenging the community ? ;)
But I totally agree with you, the Prime is an interesting platform (even though I wish it had more RAM, but well, I'm spoiled by the likes of ODROID-U2...), and it would be extremely disappointing not to see a port of Linux running on the Prime in the next few weeks, all the more:
* the S3C2416 is a well-known chip with lots of support code in mainline Linux (ARCH_S3C24XX, PLAT_S3C24XX, etc.);
* people can already start researching vulnerabilities and exploiting them, as information for accessing the firmware and computer software was posted publicly yesterday on HPMuseum, and HP cannot remove it, lest they want to experience a "Streisand Effect" and widen the diffusion of the valuable information. http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=247985#247985

It's doable to beat the Nspire's 5+ years (2+ years after initial arbitrary code execution) by more than an order of magnitude, if the right people take on the task.
Even if the PoC of a Linux port were made and released today, it might already a bit late for mainlining during the Linux 3.12 cycle, but targeting 3.13 could be done.
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Adriweb on August 09, 2013, 03:35:30 am
Also, I'm pretty sure once all that is et up, an Nspire emulator will see the light ;)

(and a Prime emulator on the Nspire platform once the platform is known enough !)
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 09, 2013, 03:40:51 am
There's no match for "S3C24" in the whole QEMU source code (at least mainline QEMU), but it could be a good opportunity to add some. That's some work, of course...
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Streetwalrus on August 09, 2013, 03:49:47 am
(and a Prime emulator on the Nspire platform once the platform is known enough !)
Are you joking ? :P
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Adriweb on August 09, 2013, 04:11:33 am
Why would I be ? :)

It'd be in fact simpler this way, since there is twice the RAM on the CX ;)
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 09, 2013, 04:20:54 am
Lack of 2D acceleration on the Nspire, and the much slower processor, will suck for emulating the Prime, though.
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Adriweb on August 09, 2013, 04:55:10 am
Yes...

But oh well, it's kind of the same struggle that with the GBA...
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Streetwalrus on August 09, 2013, 08:19:06 am
Lack of 2D acceleration on the Nspire, and the much slower processor, will suck for emulating the Prime, though.
The Prime has 2D acceleration ? O.O And yeah that's the cpu speed difference that I was worrying about.

Yes...

But oh well, it's kind of the same struggle that with the GBA...
The Nspire CX's CPU is already 8 times faster than the GBA's (~128 MHz without Nover VS 16 MHz) and the RAM is plentiful so we have a lot of headroom to emulate the GBA. ;) With the Prime you are swapping roles. :P
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Adriweb on August 09, 2013, 08:25:03 am
The GBA has a dedicated graphics controller which the CX doesn't, which is why there is frame skipping.

Prime emulation is possible - it will just be painfully slow, probably.
(Oh and BTW, the CPU in the prime might not be running at 400 MHz all the time, but at 266 MHz.)
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Streetwalrus on August 09, 2013, 08:49:20 am
The GBA has a dedicated graphics controller which the CX doesn't, which is why there is frame skipping.
Yeah that's what I meant. ;)

Also now that I've read the test I'd like to mention that on the HP40G you could hold Alpha/Shift like the modifiers (Ctrl/Alt/Shift/Win) on your computer keyboard. I hope this is still here because it was very handy. ;)
Also no surprise that Xcas is the CAS engine in there since Bernard Parisse (Xcas's lead developper) was the one who wrote the CAS on previous HP calcs. ;)
Title: Re: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 09, 2013, 08:49:26 am
I hope that the Prime CPU won't constantly switch speed such as based on battery power, though x.x
Title: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: Streetwalrus on August 09, 2013, 08:57:12 am
If HP engineers are smart enough (probably the case) then it'll run at 266 MHz all the time and 400 MHz will be accessible to native programmers.
Title: Re: Re: HP-Prime DVT prototype test and pictures
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 09, 2013, 05:47:43 pm
Yeah I just hope that if that's the case, that the current prototypes are also running at 266 MHz, else it woud suck if our programs ran slower on the final machine than critor's calc, giving us false hope. That said, 266 should still be fast enough.

What's the maintenance menu key btw? I knoe on the 39gII it was ON+F4, but on the prime there is no F keys.