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Title: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: critor on April 19, 2013, 03:46:15 am
On the official "hpcomputers" Youtube account, there's now a marketing clip of the HP Prime calculator :)



(http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/13/23/13/53/prime10.jpg)

The 3.5" multi-touch color screen is mentioned, and we can also see the alpha keys superposed to other keys (like on the TI-Z80, TI-68k and many other models from other manufacturers), as well as a battery :D
However, no information about the CPU, RAM and storage room - which are the pieces of information of highest interest to me, as they truly are what defines a platform :(

Through functionalities such as dynamic geometry, and specific students mention, we can see that the calculator is much more students-oriented than many other HP calculator models.

Speaking on my own, I think that the alpha keys superposed with other keys are much more convenient than the Nspire keyboards' two sets of keys and their tiny keys - even with long, thin fingers.

Looks like, from the clip and image, that those who indicated that its screen resolution and CPU / memory characteristics were the same as the 50g's, didn't have access to the correct pieces of information.

Anyway, this calculator technically makes HP calculators much closer to the state of the art in the matter of calculators, or even define said state of the art :)
Of course, this calculator is unlikely to be cheap, but all calculators are too expensive for the limited functionality they provide. Earlier today, I read once again about a platform much closer to its real price: a $12 phone: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3040 ...

We'll see what TI does with the CX Premium (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11093&lang=en) :)



Source:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=11613&lang=en
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 19, 2013, 05:11:38 am
That looks pretty neat. Also, it's cool to finally have another color calc which has decent math capabilities. :P
I wonder how the programming is on this(if there is that function...).

Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on April 19, 2013, 05:21:43 am
The marketing clip is pretty short, and therefore, but unfortunately for us, light on details.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: ElementCoder on April 19, 2013, 05:55:03 am
I like the part where they say "brushed metal" and "touch enabled" :) I'm very curious about it's programming capabilities (and other specs ofc.). So far it looks like a nice gadget to have.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: chickendude on April 19, 2013, 06:00:03 am
Personally, i don't much care for that style of arrow pad. On the Prizm and NSpire i've found it harder to control than the D-pad of the other TI calcs.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: floris497 on April 19, 2013, 06:39:04 am
It looks like that the companies making graphic calculators are inspired by the smartphone industry.
I'm the only one in my school owning an Nspire CX and a bunch of people asked me if it has internet and if i can call with it.

sadly they(the calculator companies) stop making it like a smartphone when they reach the processor and memory part.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Hayleia on April 19, 2013, 06:45:33 am
It looks like that the companies making graphic calculators are inspired by the smartphone industry.
I'm the only one in my school owning an Nspire CX and a bunch of people asked me if it has internet and if i can call with it.

sadly they stop making it like a smartphone when they reach the processor and memory part.
Just ask them why they bought a smartphone if all the games they play run on calculators (Doodle Jump, CubeRunner, Fruit Ninja, etc). I don't know a lot of people really using their smartphones at its real potential (like playing resource demanding 3D games such as RavenSword or something) so really, if they use it like a calc, what is the difference between the calc and the smartphone ?
Title: Re: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: TheNlightenedOne on April 19, 2013, 07:04:32 am
That looks awesome. AWWWW YEEEEEEAH
Anyway, I'd have to see the specs and programming capabilities before I buy... But it looks so cool
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 19, 2013, 07:25:02 am
Interesting, but I dislike the Nspire key  layout (the fact that the d-pad/touchpad is in the middle makes it incredibly hard for gaming). I wonder if it will have 330 KB of RAM and 800 KB of Flash like some sites were claiming or if it will be much more powerful than the Nspire CX? Also I wonder if the OS is a new one like the 39gII but in color or if it's a colorized 50g OS running on a Saturn emulator?

Since the 50g is already $150, I assume this new calc will be much more expensive too?
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: TIfanx1999 on April 19, 2013, 07:56:21 am
Wow, that looks pretty impressive!  O.O I'm really diggin the design. I'll be interested to see what it's specs. are.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: chickendude on April 19, 2013, 09:38:30 am
Just ask them why they bought a smartphone if all the games they play run on calculators (Doodle Jump, CubeRunner, Fruit Ninja, etc). I don't know a lot of people really using their smartphones at its real potential (like playing resource demanding 3D games such as RavenSword or something) so really, if they use it like a calc, what is the difference between the calc and the smartphone ?
Can your calc take pictures, make phone calls, send text messages, surf the internet (maybe?), have speakers for sound/music and a touch screen, etc.? :P Also, some smart phones might even be cheaper than an NSpire.

I agree, the design does look nice, but i don't know how i feel about the control pad.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 19, 2013, 11:21:47 am
Just ask them why they bought a smartphone if all the games they play run on calculators (Doodle Jump, CubeRunner, Fruit Ninja, etc). I don't know a lot of people really using their smartphones at its real potential (like playing resource demanding 3D games such as RavenSword or something) so really, if they use it like a calc, what is the difference between the calc and the smartphone ?
Can your calc take pictures, make phone calls, send text messages, surf the internet (maybe?), have speakers for sound/music and a touch screen, etc.? :P Also, some smart phones might even be cheaper than an NSpire.

I agree, the design does look nice, but i don't know how i feel about the control pad.

Building off of what Hayleia said and you, chickendude...

I'm that one dude who sucks all he can out of a device and I know for a fact that, due to the Linux port, it can do most of that with the right hardware.
The companies aren't focusing on putting that in, though.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: itechnoguy on April 19, 2013, 11:33:37 am
It's going to have:
A total of 2.5 MB memory (512 KB of RAM and 2 MB of flash ROM), and yes 330 and 800 KB availible respectively
A CAS engine with step by step solving
131x80 resolution screen
3D graphing
And apparently a SD card port (doesn't say what kind)
http://www.calc-bank.com/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1885

Edit(Eeems):Unreliable source
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 19, 2013, 11:36:17 am
If it has an SD card port, then we're set. Ladies and gentleman, the newest homebrewing platform!
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: itechnoguy on April 19, 2013, 11:36:23 am
I don't know how trusted these specs are though because the original source site took down their page about the calculator and there's also nothing on the processor but they're speculating that it's the same one as the 50g since the rest of the specs are the same
Also, this site:
http://www.neobits.com/hewlett_packard_hp_nw280aa_b1k_la_la_hp_prime_p5737329.html
is already selling it for $112.95 but they have no info at all and status is back ordered.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Hooloovoo on April 19, 2013, 11:41:56 am
Those keys bring to mind the Nspire TI-84 keypad keys, even with the same color scheme. The pad in the middle reminds me a little too much of the clickpad. The only original part about this one seems to be the touchscreen, in my opinion.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on April 19, 2013, 11:53:42 am
itechnoguy: the specs you're quoting come from an unreliable second-hand source, which was itself quoting a site whose information was clearly wrong. The image posted above makes it clear that the screen has a much higher resolution than 131x80...
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Darl181 on April 19, 2013, 11:56:27 am
This looks pretty interesting..reminds me of that CX render (http://imgur.com/PVCLd) on TI-Planet :P
(are the keys backlit <.< )

Seconding what people are saying about the arrow keys, tho personally I'm seeing a couple alternate keypad methods in there (left thumb using keys around sin() like arrows, right thumb..somewhere?)
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: itechnoguy on April 19, 2013, 12:12:37 pm
itechnoguy: the specs you're quoting come from an unreliable second-hand source, which was itself quoting a site whose information was clearly wrong. The image posted above makes it clear that the screen has a much higher resolution than 131x80...
Yeah I thought they seemed unreliable. I do hope the calculator actually has a SD card port though.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Adriweb on April 19, 2013, 12:14:00 pm
An SD Card would be quite cool however, in the video, I can't see such port....
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 19, 2013, 12:16:10 pm
In the picture, there is some drag glitching. It looks like you ragged it in the screen and then filled in the background around it with whatever colors are closest to the edges.
I hate to let a photo go unevaluated :P

There is nothing that tells us that the one featured is a prototype or display prop.
Somebody buy one lol
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Darl181 on April 19, 2013, 12:18:18 pm
Looks like a render to me :P Screen shine/reflections don't look like that irl.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Levak on April 19, 2013, 12:44:58 pm
Looks like a render to me :P Screen shine/reflections don't look like that irl.
This is a render too
https://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=8&image_id=370
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Hayleia on April 19, 2013, 01:14:08 pm
Looks like a render to me :P Screen shine/reflections don't look like that irl.
This is a render too
https://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=8&image_id=370
Yeah, well the reflection on the screen is weird :P
It seems perfectly aligned with the border of the screen while on the true CX CAS behind, it is a mess.
On the rest of the calc it is fine though :)
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Adriweb on April 19, 2013, 01:31:42 pm
Looks like a render to me :P Screen shine/reflections don't look like that irl.
This is a render too
https://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=8&image_id=370
Yeah, well the reflection on the screen is weird :P
It seems perfectly aligned with the border of the screen while on the true CX CAS behind, it is a mess.
On the rest of the calc it is fine though :)
It's because it's not the same light source at all :P
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 19, 2013, 04:06:48 pm
Yeah this looks faked, although I don't doubt the existance of this new calculator.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: pimathbrainiac on April 19, 2013, 04:11:15 pm
This looks pretty cool. DJ's gonna LOVE this.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: AzNg0d1030 on April 19, 2013, 07:37:49 pm
I feel like if you just drop it once, it will be done...
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Sorunome on April 19, 2013, 08:00:42 pm
HP is doing something so that people buy their calcs? O.O
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 19, 2013, 08:38:40 pm
indeed Sor
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 19, 2013, 08:44:08 pm
itechnoguy: the specs you're quoting come from an unreliable second-hand source, which was itself quoting a site whose information was clearly wrong. The image posted above makes it clear that the screen has a much higher resolution than 131x80...
That said, if HP decided to do the same mistake as TI with the 84+CSE, it is entirely possible that this new calc could have the same processor and specs as the 50g :P. After all, even though the CSE has a larger and color screen, it still runs at 15 MHz and even has fewer user RAM. That said, if that happened, it wouldn't be as problematic for the HP Prime, because the 49g+/50g/48gII/39gII is clocked at 66 MHz (max 203 MHz), so it wouldn't be as slow.

As for technical specs being wrong I'm sure most places will list final specs wrong too when/if the calc comes out, because most places advertises the HP 39gII as having megabytes and megabytes of RAM and Flash memory, yet when I tried the calc I never managed to find any evidence of user Flash memory anywhere. All it had is 256 KB user RAM.

This looks pretty cool. DJ's gonna LOVE this.
But I won't buy it if it looks clear that nobody in the community nor anywhere else on the Internet is interested in developping stuff for it nor if it's too expensive. Of course if it's expensive but somewhat popular I'll buy it anyway, but I'm not gonna waste $149.99-$200 plus shipping on a device that almost nobody other than me on the Internet actually uses. (which seems to be the case of the 39gII right now, but at least shipping was free and the calc was less than $149.99)
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 19, 2013, 08:48:40 pm
DJ_O I will if you will.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Ranman on April 19, 2013, 11:22:56 pm
T'is a beautiful calculator.

Finally... A nicer looking calculator than anything Casio or TI has to offer (including my good ol' TI-89 HW1).

Hoping for good specs.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: TIfanx1999 on April 20, 2013, 12:15:22 am
You and me both Ranman, but Hp seems to use pretty decent hardware. I'm not too worried. ;)
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 20, 2013, 04:46:11 am
My worry is that in recent years, most of what HP released is buggy, bloated or unreliable. Just see their computers for example: They're filled with useless junk like HP Hardware Diagnostics that you can't remove. Their HP 39gII OS was buggy beyond hilarity (although a patch is supposedly coming out in May) and their site isn't any better. I hope that this time the OS for their new calc is done right.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 20, 2013, 10:18:34 am
I visited HPcalc and it seemed they had a much better organized structure. These things aren't in need of a hack like Ndless, are they?

Wow I want it
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on April 20, 2013, 10:24:16 am
Quote
These things aren't in need of a hack like Ndless, are they?
We don't know.
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Dapianokid on April 20, 2013, 10:36:48 am
Well I'm not on the Ndless team so I can't help them.
But, I would help with these
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: sammyMaX on April 20, 2013, 12:36:25 pm
I know that the video was just a render and that the OS shown in it wasn't final, but the exponents look really ugly  :-\ The font used on them is too large and they are wayyy above the base of the exponent. Sometimes, they don't even line up with the base of the exponent. Look at 1:01 to see what I mean. On the bottom row (to the right of the 6) "15x4+" looks like "15x+4".
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: Hayleia on April 20, 2013, 12:58:06 pm
My worry is that in recent years, most of what HP released is buggy, bloated or unreliable. Just see their computers for example: They're filled with useless junk like HP Hardware Diagnostics that you can't remove. Their HP 39gII OS was buggy beyond hilarity (although a patch is supposedly coming out in May) and their site isn't any better. I hope that this time the OS for their new calc is done right.
At least, if their platforms are open, the community still has the possibility to make custom patches or apps that are better coded in case the OS has bugs or problems as you said :)
Title: Re: HP Prime: the official video!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 09, 2013, 03:20:11 am
I visited HPcalc and it seemed they had a much better organized structure. These things aren't in need of a hack like Ndless, are they?

Wow I want it
I think the 39gII needs such hack, because I haven't seen any ASM app for it. I doubt people would bother, though, considering how incredibly fast BASIC programs run on it.

My worry is that in recent years, most of what HP released is buggy, bloated or unreliable. Just see their computers for example: They're filled with useless junk like HP Hardware Diagnostics that you can't remove. Their HP 39gII OS was buggy beyond hilarity (although a patch is supposedly coming out in May) and their site isn't any better. I hope that this time the OS for their new calc is done right.
At least, if their platforms are open, the community still has the possibility to make custom patches or apps that are better coded in case the OS has bugs or problems as you said :)
Yeah true, although it requires the community to adopt the calc for that. If nobody bothers buying one, I don't think anyone will bother making a patch. It already took a decade before we see patches for the 83+ and 84+.

On a side note, is it confirmed that the calc will be 400 MHz? How many RAM/Flash memory? Is the BASIC language identical to HP 39gII BASIC? Will RPN come back? How much will it cost?