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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: critor on November 02, 2012, 04:38:02 pm

Title: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: critor on November 02, 2012, 04:38:02 pm
Well, it looks like Tangrs must be working full-time on the TI-Nspire Linux port ! ;)

After the USB keyboard implementation and the external USB storage device support in a previous news (http://[url=http://ourl.ca/17344), here's now the Internet on the TI-Nspire via USB ! ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif)

The browser used here is Links for Linux.

Obviously, a wire is needed, and since it's USB, at its other end another device is required (here, some modem ?)

The USB not originally made for network wiring, some kind of specific driver must be used on this device...


We're still kind of far from a complete standalone internet connection solution, but it's still a remarkable progress !

Oh, and let's not forget to mention than Tangrs wrote in the description of the video : "Graphics based internet coming up soon." ;)



Source:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?short=1&p=131741&lang=en
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 02, 2012, 05:04:05 pm
O.O Glad to see it come to fruition. By the way was Juju involved in this? Because last evening he talked to me IRL about working on stuff related to Internet on the Nspire via the serial port or something, but I don't remember if there was an USB attempt involved.


By the way what do you mean by another device? Do you mean like an USB to ethernet convertor or a modem/router that has USB ports on it (if those exist)?
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: critor on November 02, 2012, 05:07:23 pm
I don't know about the other end of the USB cable.
Let's discover it together soon.

In the worst case it's a computer or a home made or modified device...
In the best case it's a standard device ;)
Title: Re: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Juju on November 02, 2012, 05:11:32 pm
No, actually that was ideas, I did some research about faisability of networking calcs.

Anyway that's pretty awesome :D I guess you can always plug a USB wireless modem with a standard driver and there we go you have wifi on your nspire without needing the TI-Navigator thing.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 02, 2012, 05:11:54 pm
I wonder if the Nspire Navigator could be hacked one day so that it can be used for different means than its original ones, such as getting online... some of the millionaires in the TI community who can afford one might find that interesting. Or of course any USB wi-fi device if they are not restricted to one ISP (example: In Radio-Shack over here they used to sell wi-fi USB sticks, but they only worked with Rogers.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Lionel Debroux on November 02, 2012, 05:14:27 pm
Bluetooth, WiFi and Ethernet USB sticks are dirt cheap, and generic; a number of 3G sticks aren't locked to a particular carrier.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Juju on November 02, 2012, 05:16:22 pm
I wonder if the Nspire Navigator could be hacked one day so that it can be used for different means than its original ones, such as getting online... some of the millionaires in the TI community who can afford one might find that interesting. Or of course any USB wi-fi device if they are not restricted to one ISP (example: In Radio-Shack over here they used to sell wi-fi USB sticks, but they only worked with Rogers.
That's not wifi, that's cellular 3G network.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 02, 2012, 05:17:43 pm
Back in the days, for example if you bought a Rogers stick, you had to subscribe to some extra internet plan from them to be able to use it, so you ended up with two Internet bills. >.< I'm glad this changed, but I have never really seen those sticks anywhere in retail stores in recent years. Are they only available online?

EDIT: Oh I see juju. I thought they were the same, but tied to one company.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Juju on November 02, 2012, 05:22:39 pm
Back in the days, for example if you bought a Rogers stick, you had to subscribe to some extra internet plan from them to be able to use it, so you ended up with two Internet bills. >.< I'm glad this changed, but I have never really seen those sticks anywhere in retail stores in recent years. Are they only available online?

EDIT: Oh I see juju. I thought they were the same, but tied to one company.
Yeah, there's still some of those at the Bell store. But yeah, those sticks are pretty useful when you're almost always in a place where there's no wifi. Otherwise there's wifi sticks, they're usually not tied to one ISP in particualar, but some of them might need special drivers.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Rhombicuboctahedron on November 02, 2012, 07:28:52 pm
So can you access mathworld.alpha during a calculus exam? ;D
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: tangrs on November 02, 2012, 08:38:52 pm
To clarify, it's just a USB wireless dongle which is connected to the calculator via the hub. The wireless dongle is connected to my home wifi.
Title: Re: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Juju on November 03, 2012, 12:05:46 am
They'll prolly notice something's wrong before you have time to go on Internet.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Adriweb on November 03, 2012, 07:03:29 am
So can you access mathworld.alpha during a calculus exam? ;D

Mouhaha quite easy with a bash script :
http://saironiq.blogspot.fr/2012/04/wolframalpha-cli-interface.html
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: ElementCoder on November 03, 2012, 12:51:50 pm
This is beyond everything,  ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif) ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif) ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif) ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif) ;D(http://www.omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif)

[edit]it actually surprised me a bit there wasn't a rickroll involved :P
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Lionel Debroux on November 03, 2012, 01:28:01 pm
There was, in one of the previous videos ;)
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 03, 2012, 01:39:10 pm
Back in the days, for example if you bought a Rogers stick, you had to subscribe to some extra internet plan from them to be able to use it, so you ended up with two Internet bills. >.< I'm glad this changed, but I have never really seen those sticks anywhere in retail stores in recent years. Are they only available online?

EDIT: Oh I see juju. I thought they were the same, but tied to one company.
Yeah, there's still some of those at the Bell store. But yeah, those sticks are pretty useful when you're almost always in a place where there's no wifi. Otherwise there's wifi sticks, they're usually not tied to one ISP in particualar, but some of them might need special drivers.
Assuming such driver is for Windows, would they be very hard to port to Linux and/or to ARM?

So can you access mathworld.alpha during a calculus exam? ;D
I would hope that before the exam, teachers checked every student calc for potentially suspicious files and launchers then delete anything suspicious or simply disallow that calc althogether and lend the student a school calc in exchange.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Jim Bauwens on November 03, 2012, 01:50:15 pm
So can you access mathworld.alpha during a calculus exam? ;D
I would hope that before the exam, teachers checked every student calc for potentially suspicious files and launchers then delete anything suspicious or simply disallow that calc althogether and lend the student a school calc in exchange.

Indeed. This exactly is the reason why TI is locking down the TI-Nspire.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Rhombicuboctahedron on November 03, 2012, 01:53:25 pm
We can’t use our own calculators on class exams, but the people administrating the AP tests are not allowed to erase or check anything on your calculators.
So I could bring a whole book on the notepad or nTxt, and use that during the test.
Of course, I wouldn’t, but my chemistry teacher did suggest that we bring our calc with a few constants already saved in variables. And my calculus teacher was either suggesting or joking that I’ll make some programs to speed up the calculator portion of the exam.
Of course, if they saw anything like a internet dongle connected to the calculator, they would surely see that as unusual.
I have a little rechargeable battery meant to recharge phones with a mini usb, but I use it for my calculator instead, but last year at the AP Chemistry test, my cx was low on power, but I was afraid to connect that for fear they would think I was cheating.
Also, I don’t cheat; I even deleted the periodic table before the exam, so that I would not be tempted by legal but evil help.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 03, 2012, 01:56:00 pm
Yeah true if they saw a dongle or something they would definitively take that away for a while. That or if someone had a Nspire Navigator connected (and managed to hack it).
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Lionel Debroux on November 03, 2012, 01:56:05 pm
"This exactly is the reason why TI is locking down the TI-Nspire"... and failing pretty hard at it, with defective pixie dust, a.k.a badly implemented PTT (like on the TI-Z80 series, anyway) ;)
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Jim Bauwens on November 03, 2012, 02:06:34 pm
"This exactly is the reason why TI is locking down the TI-Nspire"... and failing pretty hard at it, with defective pixie dust, a.k.a badly implemented PTT (like on the TI-Z80 series, anyway) ;)
But we wouldn't want them to try harder, would we?
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Adriweb on November 03, 2012, 02:13:48 pm
It's hard enough on 3.0.x ... (even though it's the whole thing and not ptt)
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: ElementCoder on November 03, 2012, 02:15:04 pm
Yeah true if they saw a dongle or something they would definitively take that away for a while. That or if someone had a Nspire Navigator connected (and managed to hack it).
How could that possibly be noticed :P
Cheating for us is nearly impossible, calculators are simply not allowed anywhere near the exam room :P
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: renatose on November 03, 2012, 07:09:30 pm
judging by the pace of linux on the nspire I bet the next video will be never gonna give you up playing on the nspire with sound and loading it from youtube xD
It is things like this that make me proud of the community :D
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: apcalc on November 03, 2012, 07:28:36 pm
Wow, this is great! :)
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Nathan Jahreis on November 08, 2012, 09:00:13 pm
is it possible to use a wifi module thingy?

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RsQoe7sg9VA/UJxiVKTp1uI/AAAAAAAAAWY/Ddi63NL-Kzo/s732/021.JPG)

how do you like my "poor mans" home made usb hub   ;D :P

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pgxNfvDNmrE/UJxiUusbdfI/AAAAAAAAAWU/AemPljSL98E/s732/022.JPG)
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Sorunome on November 08, 2012, 09:03:10 pm
probably, but you'd have to make drivers for it etc.
Title: Re: Internet on the TI-Nspire thanks to Linux and USB !
Post by: Lionel Debroux on November 09, 2012, 01:52:50 am
Quote
but you'd have to make drivers for it etc.
Or at least, adapt existing drivers to access the WiFi module plugged at some place of the dock connector (not supported yet anyway), if it WiFi module does not have an USB plug. Linux has loads of drivers.