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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on November 11, 2010, 09:46:07 am
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As reported on Casio-BANK (http://casio.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=8) (the Casio incarnation of TI-BANK), teachers at certain places of the world could finally put their hands on a prototype of the Casio Prizm calculator that is coming out in January. Here are some Youtube videos:
More videos below:
Nethamland:
Baltimore:
The good and bad news is that from what TI-BANK reports, there is support for add-ins, which is the Casio version of Flash APPs, meaning that 3rd-party ASM or C development might be possible on those machines. The calculator comes with 3 apps. Also, the calculator is recognized as an USB jumpdrive by computers, minimizing the hassle caused by software transfers. The bad news is that there is no CAS. Maybe the community could eventually create one?
You can also find some pictures of the motherboard at Casio-BANK in the link above and here (http://www.casiocalc.org?s=&showtopic=4975&view=findpost&p=49766).
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If you can program C and Asm( you can make a CAS :)
Looks very good though! Will Texas ever do a coloured calculator?
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Honestly, I don't see that as much of a surprise. They intended it for 6-12 grades, so CAS would be out unless they wanted a separate CAS version.
Yay for third party C!
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Does Casio have any CAS calcs?
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Is it just me, or is Casio doing everything we wanted TI to do? ;D
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Is it just me, or is Casio doing everything we wanted TI to do? ;D
Not just you. C Programming, Colours...
Lots of people have suggested migrating, but Casio's graphics aren't that good, are they?
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Is it just me, or is Casio doing everything we wanted TI to do? ;D
Not just you. C Programming, Colours...
Lots of people have suggested migrating, but Casio's graphics aren't that good, are they?
216x384 reso with 65535 colors ... that's pretty good for a calc.
Too bad about the CAS, though. One thing the Nspire still has an edge on :)
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Yay for C and ASM!
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It looks really nice...
Does anyone knows the hardware specifications yet?
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http://www.casio.com/news/content/51D7AC67-A2F7-479C-9250-926471B69BF9/ is the most detailed one I know of...
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(http://www.casio.com/resource/images/pressreleases/fx-CG10_Prizm_press_1.jpg)
One thing I don't like: beauty and design of it :S
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I think it looks fine ???
Well maybe not supercool, but I think it looks fine :P
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It sorta looks like an oversized cellphone.
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Yeah, but who cares? We have color on-calc!
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Yeah, but who cares? We have color on-calc!
I care, I will never buy it due to it's aspect :S
Texas calculators are sweet and beautiful
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What's wrong with it? I think it looks more streamlined and modern than the TI calcs.
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What's wrong with it? I think it looks more streamlined and modern than the TI calcs.
Yeah, the modern thing yes it looks modern and UGLY, I prefer Texas's old and beautiful calculators, they make me wanna program them :)
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Honestly, as long as the calc is small enough and programmable, I don't care if it's ugly (which is just a matter of opinion).
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Honestly, as long as the calc is small enough and programmable, I don't care if it's ugly (which is just a matter of opinion).
I do, the way the keys are organized too, hate it, sorry to say this Casio, but I do :S
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What does a color screen matter if the calc is hard to use? ive heard that casios are very hard to use
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What does a color screen matter if the calc is hard to use? ive heard that casios are very hard to use
Personally I think that's why the 83+ series have sold so well. I've used HP and Casio calcs before, but I'm too used to TI's interface to get really interested in programming those.
Aanyway, any new info?
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What does a color screen matter if the calc is hard to use? ive heard that casios are very hard to use
That's probably because everyone's so used to using TI calcs. :P
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What does a color screen matter if the calc is hard to use? ive heard that casios are very hard to use
Look at the arranjement of the buttons of :
the Nspire: bad.
Casios: even worse.
TI-8x series: really good!
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I have to agree with ScoutDavid about the look of the Casio. I don't care much about how the buttons are arranged though. It will be like switching from an 84 to an 89 in my opinion. I just with it could keep the shape of a TI calculator. But right now, I just thought of something that probably belongs elsewhere. What is up with TI? Can you imagine how much business they would have if they just made a device that wasn't necessarily a calculator that we could program. I mean, it might not be allowed on exams, but we would program them and turn them into the best pieces of technology out there. All they need to do is give us the info and produce the devices. Add some more memory and a color screen, make it pretty much the TI-84 and we can make it amazing. They wouldn't need to waste any more time on software updates or anything, we practically take care of it anyway!
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I have to agree with ScoutDavid about the look of the Casio. I don't care much about how the buttons are arranged though. It will be like switching from an 84 to an 89 in my opinion. I just with it could keep the shape of a TI calculator. But right now, I just thought of something that probably belongs elsewhere. What is up with TI? Can you imagine how much business they would have if they just made a device that wasn't necessarily a calculator that we could program. I mean, it might not be allowed on exams, but we would program them and turn them into the best pieces of technology out there. All they need to do is give us the info and produce the devices. Add some more memory and a color screen, make it pretty much the TI-84 and we can make it amazing. They wouldn't need to waste any more time on software updates or anything, we practically take care of it anyway!
I totally agree!
They have free programmers both here or at Cemetech or at TI-Bank or UnitedTI, anywhere they have programmers who can make a great range of applications, programs, games, almost anything! If they gave us the hardware we need and a programming language like C, we can do anything, Invencible!
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Exactly! They are pretty much the largest producers, or at least one of the first, to make hand-held, programmable devices and they never thought to take advantage of what we have to offer. If they ever make a device like I mentioned, I would want it to include TI-BASIC and assembly, the same way they have, as well as C for those who are more comfortable with that.
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ScoutDavid: You won't buy it BECAUSE of it's look and button config? Oh well, I don't get that but I guess other people do.
This could be one hella piece of doom for us programmers. The thing is, when you say "I want a device that's not a calc from TI so I can program it" I'm sure people are going to point you to smartphones and such. There's HUGE development teams there, and hobbyists like ourselves would have NO CHANCE in making it big. That's why calcs are great for us -- single person/ two person hobby dev teams.
No offense and I'm not trying to shoot you guys down ;)
But as a calculator, everyone has to realize JUST HOW ADVANCED it is compared to the ti8x calcs. I personally like that GUI thing on the casio calcs, but I guess there's people who completely disagree with me, and I'm sure they have great reasons (too slow, millions of folders, etc.)
Well, I'm all for C programming, but I would prefer an OOP language. Then again,
/me thinks of 'DE on casio prizm ^-^
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I still plan to program my 84+ and I think I will only get the Prizm if I can program in hex on it like I can on the 84+.
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Ahhhg! Hex will BURN HAHAHAHA :P
You're that person form UTI that likes Hex, right? Trust me, it's cool, but you're not gonna make a ASM game in it :P
But if you like it, go ahead ^-^
I will program my 84+ plus as well after this, because I doubt that the C sdk will be on-calc, so I will probably only program my prizm at home.
C on calc would be a nightmare, can you imagine all thos curly braces?
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lol -- true :D
they should listen to me and put me in charge of making 'DE on the prizm OFFICIALLY -- the syntax for that is on-calc friendly :)
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Depending on the processor type, you might not want to code directly in hex ;) For example, the ARM processor consists of only 32-bit instructions, which are not easy to memorize at all.
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I have no idea of what 'DE is, though
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yeah, that's remembering 8 letters for one instruction. You'd have to definitally have to use mnemonics instead :)
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Almost anything's hard to get used to. I have a Casio FX-9750gii, and if it weren't for the incompatibility of FA-124 (the linking program, like TI-connect), which refuses to connect with my calc using USB (correct me if I'm wrong), I'd probably be fairly active in some or another Casio community as well.
From what I've seen, it's not very active (try a side-by-side comparison of casiocalc.org vs. ticalc.org, or even hpcalc.org) but either way...
As for us being programmers for TI, I would not be surprised to see things like third-party OSes en masse if that happened. Just imagine...
The prizm looks epic, and if it's developed enough and I get the opportunity (and have the money), I'll probably get one of them.
Edit: horray for (overuse (of (parenthesis!)))
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Almost anything's hard to get used to. I have a Casio FX-9750gii, and if it weren't for the incompatibility of FA-124 (the linking program, like TI-connect), which refuses to connect with my calc using USB (correct me if I'm wrong), I'd probably be fairly active in some or another Casio community as well.
From what I've seen, it's not very active (try a side-by-side comparison of casiocalc.org vs. ticalc.org, or even hpcalc.org) but either way...
As for us being programmers for TI, I would not be surprised to see things like third-party OSes en masse if that happened. Just imagine...
The prizm looks epic, and if it's developed enough and I get the opportunity (and have the money), I'll probably get one of them.
Edit: horray for (overuse (of (parenthesis!
Optimized. ;)
And I can't wait for the Prizm.
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Optimized. ;)
LOL
I'm wondering how ling it'll take the Prizm to catch up in popularity to something like the 84.
Probably as soon as somebody make a cell-phone mod...;D
Really, though. How many people outside of calc forums might know about the Prizm?
[offtopic]About the style, it certainly looks better than the n-spire, IMHO. Less like a brick and more like...something[/offtopic]
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Teachers are very well informed of this. I asked my Geometry honors teacher about it and she said "Yeah I heard about that! Sounds cool."
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Teachers are very well informed of this. I asked my Geometry honors teacher about it and she said "Yeah I heard about that! Sounds cool."
Gotta ask mine too
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Odd, I have yet to hear even "N-Spire" in my school...my Algebra II teacher's used an 82 though :P
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Ahhhg! Hex will BURN HAHAHAHA :P
You're that person form UTI that likes Hex, right? Trust me, it's cool, but you're not gonna make a ASM game in it :P
But if you like it, go ahead ^-^
I will program my 84+ plus as well after this, because I doubt that the C sdk will be on-calc, so I will probably only program my prizm at home.
Wait, WHAT? I have been making games in hex for over a year now. They are just for practice and I do not like to upload my games. I am very insulted by something like that. I can program in hex very fluently now. I will say that I am not up to the same level of game making as a lot of people that I have seen here, but I can make games. Plus, have you gotten the chance to check out my SpriteLib program? I will admit that it isn't as good as Celtic 3, but I am still adding to it and it is not what could be called a beginners project. I understand that it isn't worth the time and effort if you have a computer to work with, but I have only recently had one to work with. I am not going to give up the skill I spent two years to learn from looking at small opcodes and a chart. I do not like that my ability to quickly code, without needing to use two devices and several sets of software, to be able to code quickly and to be able to disassemble as I read the hex from programs, apps, and the OS, to be taken as a pointless, unworthy skill.
Sorry about that, all. I have just been a little touchy about that subject, especially after reading the "Our Problem" thing. I don't like the thought of programmers discouraging other programmers, especially when it is about something they do not really know. I know you didn't mean it, but honestly? Telling me "it's cool, but you're not gonna make a ASM game in it" is very insulting to me, especially after all I have done to prove myself. But thanks, now I have reason to ignore the rest of the programming community for a while, now, and get back to some of my own projects and help out where people actually have questions and where there are BASIC programmers who were like myself and searched for months to find small opcodes that just turned out to be impractical in the end. I have been gladly providing code for them to put into their calculator and it is appreciated because for whatever reason, whether it is because they do not have access to software downloads on a school or public computer, or they do not have a cable. And I can make code quickly and tailored to fit so that they do not need to search hundreds of programs finding one that fits well enough, only to put it through a disassembler. Plus, I have other projects to work on as it is, including an interpreted programming language (That I plan to make games with), SpriteLib, a few random things for friends like a password protection program that isn't as annoying as some that require constantly inputting a password every time you want to change a program you are working on unless.
Again, sorry for the rant :D
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216x384 reso with 65535 colors ... that's pretty good for a calc.
Is it a bad sign that we think of that as high resolution? :)
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216x384 reso with 65535 colors ... that's pretty good for a calc.
Is it a bad sign that we think of that as high resolution? :)
Wow, now that I think about it... Nice.
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Ahhhg! Hex will BURN HAHAHAHA :P
You're that person form UTI that likes Hex, right? Trust me, it's cool, but you're not gonna make a ASM game in it :P
But if you like it, go ahead ^-^
I will program my 84+ plus as well after this, because I doubt that the C sdk will be on-calc, so I will probably only program my prizm at home.
Wait, WHAT? I have been making games in hex for over a year now. They are just for practice and I do not like to upload my games. I am very insulted by something like that. I can program in hex very fluently now. I will say that I am not up to the same level of game making as a lot of people that I have seen here, but I can make games. Plus, have you gotten the chance to check out my SpriteLib program? I will admit that it isn't as good as Celtic 3, but I am still adding to it and it is not what could be called a beginners project. I understand that it isn't worth the time and effort if you have a computer to work with, but I have only recently had one to work with. I am not going to give up the skill I spent two years to learn from looking at small opcodes and a chart. I do not like that my ability to quickly code, without needing to use two devices and several sets of software, to be able to code quickly and to be able to disassemble as I read the hex from programs, apps, and the OS, to be taken as a pointless, unworthy skill.
Sorry about that, all. I have just been a little touchy about that subject, especially after reading the "Our Problem" thing. I don't like the thought of programmers discouraging other programmers, especially when it is about something they do not really know. I know you didn't mean it, but honestly? Telling me "it's cool, but you're not gonna make a ASM game in it" is very insulting to me, especially after all I have done to prove myself. But thanks, now I have reason to ignore the rest of the programming community for a while, now, and get back to some of my own projects and help out where people actually have questions and where there are BASIC programmers who were like myself and searched for months to find small opcodes that just turned out to be impractical in the end. I have been gladly providing code for them to put into their calculator and it is appreciated because for whatever reason, whether it is because they do not have access to software downloads on a school or public computer, or they do not have a cable. And I can make code quickly and tailored to fit so that they do not need to search hundreds of programs finding one that fits well enough, only to put it through a disassembler. Plus, I have other projects to work on as it is, including an interpreted programming language (That I plan to make games with), SpriteLib, a few random things for friends like a password protection program that isn't as annoying as some that require constantly inputting a password every time you want to change a program you are working on unless.
Again, sorry for the rant :D
Upload them in Omnimaga, nobody's gonna say bad things about you :)
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Ahhhg! Hex will BURN HAHAHAHA :P
You're that person form UTI that likes Hex, right? Trust me, it's cool, but you're not gonna make a ASM game in it :P
But if you like it, go ahead ^-^
I will program my 84+ plus as well after this, because I doubt that the C sdk will be on-calc, so I will probably only program my prizm at home.
Wait, WHAT? I have been making games in hex for over a year now. They are just for practice and I do not like to upload my games. I am very insulted by something like that. I can program in hex very fluently now. I will say that I am not up to the same level of game making as a lot of people that I have seen here, but I can make games. Plus, have you gotten the chance to check out my SpriteLib program? I will admit that it isn't as good as Celtic 3, but I am still adding to it and it is not what could be called a beginners project. I understand that it isn't worth the time and effort if you have a computer to work with, but I have only recently had one to work with. I am not going to give up the skill I spent two years to learn from looking at small opcodes and a chart. I do not like that my ability to quickly code, without needing to use two devices and several sets of software, to be able to code quickly and to be able to disassemble as I read the hex from programs, apps, and the OS, to be taken as a pointless, unworthy skill.
Whoa, take a chill pill bill! I was joking with you, and wasn't trying to offend you. In fact its interesting to see someone still using hex :)
The only problem I never liked about hex is keeping track of the instructions, and when I used to be a uber 133t h3x0r, I had to carry around a 7 page opcode table, and in my program on each line I had to have the mnemonics nect to the hex code and then delete it before I ran/compiled.
EDIT: yeah do what scout says and upload them -- I'm interested to see what can be made in pure hex coding :D
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I say sorry to ASH_BAD ALVIN. Sorry. I've just been weird lately, so thanks for letting me blow off some steam in a non-violent way :D
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That's okay, apology taken, let's forget about this :P
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216x384 reso with 65535 colors ... that's pretty good for a calc.
Is it a bad sign that we think of that as high resolution? :)
Lol, imagine TI in this comic:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hdtv.png)
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xkcd I assume? That has got to be the best comic out there. (not that specific one, but xkcd in general)
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Lol, imagine TI in this comic:
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"What, you need more than 100 pixels in any direction? What the hell are you doing with these things, programming?"
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xkcd I assume? That has got to be the best comic out there. (not that specific one, but xkcd in general)
Yeah, I've already seen them all, so I can always come up with an xkcd when context's right :D
Lol, imagine TI in this comic:
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"What, you need more than 100 pixels in any direction? What the hell are you doing with these things, programming?"
No, of course not. Why would we program calcs? :P
But seriously, why did graphing calc companies add ASM/C originally anyway? Not that I'm complaining :D
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Lol, imagine TI in this comic:
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"What, you need more than 100 pixels in any direction? What the hell are you doing with these things, programming?"
Nice! I am putting that down in my quotes.txt variable on my laptop...
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xkcd I assume? That has got to be the best comic out there. (not that specific one, but xkcd in general)
Yeah, I've already seen them all, so I can always come up with an xkcd when context's right :D
Lol, imagine TI in this comic:
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"What, you need more than 100 pixels in any direction? What the hell are you doing with these things, programming?"
No, of course not. Why would we program calcs? :P
But seriously, why did graphing calc companies add ASM/C originally anyway? Not that I'm complaining :D
I remember back when I had that laptop-like (TI-99?) it said basically that it was implemented because they couldn't make everything related to math, so they gave us a means to make what we needed. They just provided the means to use it, we made what fit our needs best.
Crap, double post. Sorry 'bout that :D
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Is it just me, or is Casio doing everything we wanted TI to do? ;D
Not just you. C Programming, Colours...
Lots of people have suggested migrating, but Casio's graphics aren't that good, are they?
216x384 reso with 65535 colors ... that's pretty good for a calc.
Too bad about the CAS, though. One thing the Nspire still has an edge on :)
I've managed to survive without a full CAS on the 83+ series. I suppose I can survive the Prizm too. In any case, it's just a matter of waiting, given that the Prizm uses a similar processor to the nspire.
Personally, I'm holding onto some money so I can buy one of these when they come out.
Well, I'm all for C programming, but I would prefer an OOP language. Then again,
/me thinks of 'DE on casio prizm ^-^
Remember, Python is C based...
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I personally could care less about a CAS, and if this thing is open to third party dev right out of the box we can make our own anyways. High res screen, color, and decent programability right out of the box? Yes please! Oh and seriously people, you wouldn't buy it because you think its ugly? Have you seen the Nspire? :P
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it looks like that the prizm has most of the main stuff, that we need. and much more! In built cas is not needed as much because cas will definitely be made possible with a program. out of the box, it's all good news!!!
It does not look ugly at all...
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I personally don't care about the calc design. Personally I find the TI-Nspire to look pretty ugly compared to the 83+ and I still use it more than any other of my calcs (although in 84+ mode).
Also I tried Casio calcs and they're not that hard to use. Different button config/menu locations != harder to use. You would say the same thing about the 83+ if you started on Casio calcs. The Casio series works like a TI-85/86 to a certain extent: all menus are at the bottom of screen and you use the top keys to access them.
I don't think the prizm will kill TI programming in long terms, unless TI really continues to screw up more and more. I personally stick to TI but I will get a Prizm and try to program for it.
Also ASHBAD try to be careful about comments towards other programmers, because it sounded rude in the first place, so it's inevitable it caused a reaction from the one who it was directed at. Glad you apologised, though.
And Xeda try to not double-post. :P
Also let's try to be careful to not start an anti-Casio discussion either because I don't think that's how we will attract Casio programmers when the Prizm comes out. :P
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I really want one. I suppose the standard for games would get much higher, though.
Like, now, if a game is greyscale, it's really good, because of the standard and capabilities of the calcs. Color would really change that.
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Yeah true, although there will still be BASIC too. Look at Axe popularity (and now ASM): there are still people coding in BASIC and people enjoying their games. Sometimes, people will like to see what we can do under limitations, and from what I saw, the Prizm doesn't seem that fast, so even if there's color, maybe we won't see extremely complex 3D stuff, still. There may be the people who play only for graphics that might change that a bit, though.
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Yeah, but I suppose if you attach the tag 'BASIC' or 'ASM'/'Axe' to a game, there are different standards, too.
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I really want one. I suppose the standard for games would get much higher, though.
Like, now, if a game is greyscale, it's really good, because of the standard and capabilities of the calcs. Color would really change that.
The standards might be higher, but just look at the things possible with full computers. It's just a matter of developing the languages capable of fully and easily exploiting the hardware. Axe dramatically extended the power of ASM by getting rid much of the tedious stuff. It proved that choice of language is indeed important in the quality of projects.
Plus, haven't you ever been frustrated with designing a greyscale menu? Having color allows you to fully use the more powerful editing software on your computer.
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Yeah, but how long does it take to make even an engine for a computer game?
I can do one in under twenty minutes (maybe <10) in BASIC.
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Not to mention syntax highlighting when coding. If I had color anywhere on my computer, it would be there.
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Well, game engines wouldn't be much more difficult than on the Nspire. It's the graphics engines that will take longer to develop. That's what I meant by improved languages. One of my projects on the TI-84+ SE has to interact very closely with the hardware. The main problems I've been having are not function related, but graphics related. In a higher level language, it'd be a lot easier to do the same thing.
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What kind of game engines? RPG battle and Game engines are way different from an action games' engine, just ask builderboy :P
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That said, computers and various handhelds got 100x more powerful with the time and people still code calc games non stop today. There's even a major regain in interest about calc programming since mid-2009 or so.
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I kinda hope it's not too awesome though. I know, for one, that I will probably not get one just for financial reasons, plus I wouldn't like to see like half the TI community migrate to Casio programming :x
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Yeah same. It would kinda suck if the TI community kinda faded away again because of the Prizm. Fortunately, for Omni it might not have a huge impact, since we might do both Casio and TI stuff, but it would suck if there were almost no more 83+ games coming out.
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I kinda hope it's not too awesome though. I know, for one, that I will probably not get one just for financial reasons, plus I wouldn't like to see like half the TI community migrate to Casio programming :x
Same here. I still kinda hope TI wins out...
The Prizm's going to be $129 apparently, though. That's the current price of a TI-83 Plus :P
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I actually think graphics code would be easier to do than on the TI calcs. Color values seem to be 16 bits, which is so much easier to handle than 1-bit or 4-bit. All you have to do is write to 2 bytes in a buffer
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One thing I hope is that third party coders will write an utility that let us run programs from the archive or copy them to RAM from BASIC programs. On the FX-9860G that didn't exist and stuff like Illusiat 13 was impossible...
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I want one... 129 (USD) isn't a bad pricetag, less expensive than an average retail ti-84+! Nspire's 240x320 boring ol greyscale screen get whooped by the 216x384 65k color screen! (My phone has 75k colors O.O). Does anyone know the processor clock? Maybe they threw a snapdragon in it XD
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One thing I hope is that third party coders will write an utility that let us run programs from the archive or copy them to RAM from BASIC programs. On the FX-9860G that didn't exist and stuff like Illusiat 13 was impossible...
What I'm hoping is that someone figures out how to interpret/compile TI-BASIC or z80 ASM on the Prizm. The program selection for casios is quite aptly described as pitiful.
BTW: I doubt it uses a Snapdragon.
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I want one... 129 (USD) isn't a bad pricetag, less expensive than an average retail ti-84+! Nspire's 240x320 boring ol greyscale screen get whooped by the 216x384 65k color screen! (My phone has 75k colors O.O). Does anyone know the processor clock? Maybe they threw a snapdragon in it XD
To be exact, it's the current official TI price of a TI-83 Plus :P
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Well it depends where you get it. At Staples they're still $90 I think. On TI website the 83+ is $129.00. Kinda pathetic considering the much higher hardware specs of the Prizm (unless the Prizm has a 4 MHz CPU or something)
EDIT: By the way, this is the Casio Prizm user guide: http://edu.casio.com/products/cg_series/data/fxcg10_20_E.pdf
This should give you ideas of what feature the software has in terms of maths and programming.
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What I'm hoping is that someone figures out how to interpret/compile TI-BASIC or z80 ASM on the Prizm. The program selection for casios is quite aptly described as pitiful.
We can change that. ;)
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The user guide's already out? Too bad there's no info on the calc itself, though.
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Yeah I wish they gave info on the processor. At least the good thing is that we can use some colors in BASIC, we have Getkey and such stuff. I think there's even string commands. I hope that BASIC is as fast, if not faster than the 9860G, though. If it's as slow as the old calcs it's nearly useless for games.
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Does anyone know the processor clock? Maybe they threw a snapdragon in it XD
That would be amazing, but I doubt that's the case. :/ I'm sure it'll be decent though. =)
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Still, it should be decent if it's an ARM. A 200mhz chip is pretty cheap nowadays. ($5 or so)
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At least close to the nspire, maybe only 80 mhz instead of 150, either way it'll be great. The nspire sucked because of its OS, mostly.
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Wow, BASIC with a fast processor and color... This is going to be (even) more a gaming device than the Z80s!
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well I need to get prepared for the SDK: does anyone know of a good 16 bit image editor?
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well I need to get prepared for the SDK: does anyone know of a good 16 bit image editor?
i could make one
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I'm excited about the Prizm, mainly because it might bait TI into a price drop on the 8x-series calcs :)
Yeah, this is gonna be cool. The potential of a (relatively) high-resolution screen with color is just outstanding.
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By the way, Casio-BANK mentions that the 9860G, GII and 9750GII calcs got 100-ish MHz processors in this tutorial http://casio.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=127 . I wonder if that is what will have the Prizm or if it will be even faster? If I remember, on the 9860G, the processor was clocked down to 29 MHz during the OS execution, but I could be wrong. I found the info on Wikipedia a while ago.
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Still, that is much better than TI84s. The CPU is probably a SuperH, like their previous models. I'm pretty sure there is a gcc for that.
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I hope those calcs are downclocked to 29-ish MHz, though, because if their BASIC can't even beat a 83+ in speed with a 100 MHz processor, then it's pretty sad...
Someone should port Axe Parser to the Prizm when it comes out. :P
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By the way, Casio-BANK mentions that the 9860G, GII and 9750GII calcs got 100-ish MHz processors in this tutorial http://casio.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=127 . I wonder if that is what will have the Prizm or if it will be even faster? If I remember, on the 9860G, the processor was clocked down to 29 MHz during the OS execution, but I could be wrong. I found the info on Wikipedia a while ago.
I would not be surprised if they were >100 MHz. Once I compared the graphing speeds by doing about 10 of the same equations...the 9750 was already done when the 84 was finishing the second one.
Axe parser on the Prizm--that would be awesome
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I saw the Prizm on google shopping, for $120, but there was no major sellers.
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Really? I checked Ebay often to see if prototypes were leaked there and no luck.
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I saw the Prizm on google shopping, for $120, but there was no major sellers.
Yep: Google Shopping Casio Prizm (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=casio+prizm&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hl=en&cid=16298882672728894137&ei=NU7oTL-zCZuCzAWu55zWCw&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p)
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School mart has a preorder for 107.50!
http://www.schoolmart.com/casioprizmfx-cg10graphingcalculator.aspx
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About Google shopping this has to be the prototypes, right? They do not state it's a pre-order, it seems... ???
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I saw the Prizm on google shopping, for $120, but there was no major sellers.
Weird, is this a leak?
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Be sure to check the seller ratings and source in any case, though, in case it's a hoax.
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The sellers' overall ratings actually look pretty good. Mostly 4s and 5s. According to some of them, they're just preordering, so they start shipping when the calculators actually come out. Kinda early for ordering though, if you ask me.
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Yeah, there's still over a month to go.
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The sellers' overall ratings actually look pretty good. Mostly 4s and 5s. According to some of them, they're just preordering, so they start shipping when the calculators actually come out. Kinda early for ordering though, if you ask me.
I mean, it's one of the firsts colored calculators, people think it is awesome just because of that :S
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The sellers' overall ratings actually look pretty good. Mostly 4s and 5s. According to some of them, they're just preordering, so they start shipping when the calculators actually come out. Kinda early for ordering though, if you ask me.
I mean, it's one of the firsts colored calculators, people think it is awesome just because of that :S
Not one of the firsts..
The 1st color graphic calculator is the cfx-9800G, and was released by Casio in 1993.
It had a 96x64 LCD. The 2-bit encoding of the colors made it able to display 4 different colors.
But Casio calculators were just crap at the end of the last century...
Since then, Casio has released other color graphic calculators with a better 128x64 screen (larger than the TI-82/83/83+/84 screen):
fx-9970G (1998), cfx-9860G+/GC+ (2004)
But they were still using a 2-bit color encoding, so only supporting 4 colors without assembly.
The Prizm is not going to be the first color graphic calculator, but the first graphic calculator with a 16-bit color encoding, making it able to display 65536 different colors.
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Wow I didn't knew about the 9800G O.O. I was sure the first color calc was in 1996 with the FX-9850G+, which has a 128x64 LCD. Also I was sure it was 3 colors, not 4. My CFX-9860G has orange, blue and green.
I wish ASM was possible without flashing the ROM chip on those models. Even with 3-4 colors, imagine what you could do in ASM by quickly flashing some pixels (like we do on the 83+ for grayscale) or if you could change the color palette how you want. It would be epic.
Even with 3 colors + the LCD color it wouldn't be that bad for a calculator. Mockup of what could have been FF1 if the CFX-9850G got jailbreaked back when it was still in production:
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Wow I didn't knew about the 9800G O.O. I was sure the first color calc was in 1996 with the FX-9850G+, which has a 128x64 LCD. Also I was sure it was 3 colors, not 4. My CFX-9860G has orange, blue and green.
I wish ASM was possible without flashing the ROM chip on those models. Even with 3-4 colors, imagine what you could do in ASM by quickly flashing some pixels (like we do on the 83+ for grayscale) or if you could change the color palette how you want. It would be epic.
Even with 3 colors + the LCD color it wouldn't be that bad for a calculator. Mockup of what could have been FF1 if the CFX-9850G got jailbreaked back when it was still in production:
Yes, you're right.
2-bits = 4 different colors
But those 4 different colors include the state where the pixel is turned off (which is "blank" or "black", depending upon he screen).
So that's only 3 displayed colors, but still 4 "colors" for your games/pictures.
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Oh I see now where does the 4th color comes from. In other words it's some sort of yellow (depending of how the contrast is set) :P
Any pics of the 9800G btw? Or any ifno? I can't find anything online it seems in Google images ???
EDIT: Nvm, I found it. I typed FX instead of CFX X.x.
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(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5264.0;attach=4589;image)
I think this has lots of quality for a calculator image!
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Yeah I tried doing a mockup of FF1 on a CFX and was skeptical about the trees. Finally this came out nicely.
I am really curious about what will be the refresh rate of the Prizm screen. Will we be able to do seizure-inducing programs? :P
If the screen colors are displayed the same way they were on the CFX series, smooth scrolling will be impossible, though...
Below this is how a green line looks like when scrolling down on a CFX screen.
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The Prizm is not going to be the first color graphic calculator, but the first graphic calculator with a 16-bit color encoding, making it able to display 65536 different colors.
You'll still need Assembly to access most of them. The BASIC language on the Prizm will only give you access to 7 colors. They are Black, Blue, Red, Magenta, Green, Cyan, and Yellow respectively. That's ignoring the hopeful reality that the Prizm's BASIC may be fast enough to allow color mixing in the same manner as greyscale for the TI-83+ series. If it isn't, then assembly libraries can always help out in that area.
The Prizm will also have a few functionalities with regards to color. There will be four commands that allow you to manipulate the colors displayed. The first two are the paint commands ColorNormal and ColorLighter. Those will be limited as they can only be used with graphs and certain statistical drawings. Casio also included two commands called ColorAuto and ColorClr. Those probably do what you'd expect.
Additionally, there's a method to display background pictures. It's kind of odd and involves file paths (Yay, a Computer-like OS!), but if Casio allows us to download pictures in a normal format (not likely) or someone can make a converter (likely), then it could be used to make awesome title screens.
That's pretty much the scope of the color commands that will be available on the Prizm. Keep in mind that almost all of the data structures and the output/drawing commands will support at least one of the above commands.
PS: I've figured out that I'm not going to take a vacation form omni after all. It's too easy to access :P
That's another sign...
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I could ban you so you cannot access it anymore. ;D J/k I wouldn,t do that lol (unless you screwed up extremly bad :P). I generally just post less when I feel like taking a break but I usually end up still posting like crazy at one point during the night. :P
I really hope add-ons can be written to support more colors in BASIC or that an Axe-style language is written for those who want to code on-calc with something close to BASIC.
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I could ban you so you cannot access it anymore. ;D J/k I wouldn,t do that lol (unless you screwed up extremly bad :P).
Don't look in the Randomness section ;)
But more seriously, I'm already planning a few projects for the Prizm. I won't say more than that.
EDIT: DJ, I think there needs to be a sub-forum for the Prizm when it comes out. There are already two major threads on it here and you linked the User's guide in your 10 Million requests post. If nothing else, Omnimaga can help to launch the Casio community.
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Yeah when it comes out I might try programming it. I'll probably practice on my 9860G too.
And yeah I may eventually start Casio sections in the help section to not clutter the TI sections. If we get some Prizm projects, I might modify the Omni banner to add a pic of the calc in it too.
I could ban you so you cannot access it anymore. ;D J/k I wouldn,t do that lol (unless you screwed up extremly bad :P).
Don't look in the Randomness section ;)
But more seriously, I'm already planning a few projects for the Prizm. I won't say more than that.
EDIT: DJ, I think there needs to be a sub-forum for the Prizm when it comes out. There are already two major threads on it here and you linked the User's guide in your 10 Million requests post. If nothing else, Omnimaga can help to launch the Casio community.
I actually meant if you started being rude to everyone or trolling and spammed outside randomness/intro, which I doubt you would do, though. :P
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I try not to spam. I'm a senior member of another forum where spam and new members are real problems. By new members being a problem, I mean members who don't bother to use the search function for the forum and end up posting a thread about a topic that's been posted over a thousand times before (there are such topics). There are few things as tiring on the Internet as seeing spam for the thousandth time, so I get all of my trolling out on more appropriate sites.
Rude, on the other hand, I may be at times. Just let me know and I'll either stop/apologize or leave.
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Ah ok. Well on Omni we're more open to newbies not searching, because everyone starts somewhere. It may be the person's first ever forum account so obviously the person is not gonna know to search first. You see a help section and expect it's there to ask for help. (Usually the board description says "Need help? Post here!"). On another calc forum there were new members asking questions that got answered before and they got bashed pretty bad and made look like they're stupid, and they just left, as they were not given a chance. Eventually, senior members got tired of the lack of tolerance towards newbies and the fact nothing was done to stop rude posts, so those senior members eventually gave up and joined Omnimaga and later Cemetech. Now the forum in question is nearly a ghost town.
On Omni if someone snapped at a new member for not searching first he would break rule 1. However, if a member has been around for a while and, after getting told he should search through the topics, he still doesn't bother doing any effort, then it might be another story. Same if the new member himself is being rude to others.
Basically, on Omni, I prefer that new members are not automatically categorized as n00bs. There's a difference between newbie and n00b.
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The thing is, searching the forums is in the registration agreement, the instructions are plastered at the top of every subforum, there are stickies in each subforum on it, the forum guidelines/welcome message (written by me, incidentally) devote an entire section to it, and the button is in bright, neon yellow an inch from the new thread button. It's pretty hard to miss all of those. We do try to answer all questions as politely as possible, but it's a fairly large international board and when it's literally the thousandth time that question has been asked (there are occasionally two or three topics with the same title on a sub-forum), people tend to get exasperated. However, the term n00b is almost never used there, except to poke fun at other regulars.
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Ouch I could understand the frustration then. X.x
That makes me wonder if some people aren't reposting the same questions under different account just to troll. I know someone did that before on two other calc forums. For the Axe sub-forum, I could understand that a topic is reposted multiple times since there are several pages of them and it kinda became a mess, but if the same question was asked a few topics below, then I would redirect to the previous topic.
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The thing is, searching the forums is in the registration agreement, the instructions are plastered at the top of every subforum, there are stickies in each subforum on it, the forum guidelines/welcome message (written by me, incidentally) devote an entire section to it, and the button is in bright, neon yellow an inch from the new thread button. It's pretty hard to miss all of those.
Not as hard as you think. IT companies spent years and billions of dollars to train users to ignore any and all warnings. It was probaly not their intent, but...
One example. Can you imagine ever signing a contract with someone which says "yeah, we agreed to obey some rules - but these rules can be changed without warning any time I want"? Inconceivable? Preposterous? Well, millions of people "signed" such contract (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html) - it quite literally says: Apple reserves the right at any time to modify this Agreement and to impose new or additional terms or conditions on your use of the Service. Such modifications and additional terms and conditions will be effective immediately and incorporated into this Agreement.
Another example. We had a seminar recently where lector asked: "how many of you ‘accepted’ Adobe Acrobat agreemeent by clicking ‘I agree’ on work computer?". Nearly everyone raised hands. The next question was "and how many of you have the legal right to sign binding agreements of behalf of your employer?". Uh, oh... Oops?
People are trained to convert any text with rules to form "here is this long and stupid text - you must click ‘I agree’ under it to continue, but as usual you may safely ignore what it says". Since this conditioning starts early and reinforced often it's very hard to overcome it.
I don't know what to do with this phenomenon long term, but short term the only alternative is to accept it. If you wrote something is rules even in bright neon yellow it does not mean newcomers will read it - they are trained not to!
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I don't know what to do with this phenomenon long term, but short term the only alternative is to accept it. If you wrote something is rules even in bright neon yellow it does not mean newcomers will read it - they are trained not to!
That's pretty much what we end up doing.
We should probably get back on-topic though.
EDIT: This might suffice for a partial explanation of why newbies don't use the search feature: "I heard that if you press all the keys of the calculator once after 5 minutes the batteries overheat and explode." In TI's case, you don't even need to press all of the buttons :P
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That said, when there's a warning at the top of the forums saying to search first, there's quite a difference of lenght compared to an aggrement text. The later often causes people to go TL;DR. However I notice a lot of people won't read important stickied topics on Omni too, because every now and then we still get asked where we can find OS 1.1 for the TI-Nspire and if we can post a link to it, and we also often see people not bothering doing backups of their projects then losing them to RAM clears, even thought there's a warning about why we are not allowed to give links to OS 1.1 and to backup your projects often.
Anyway I agree with Qwerty, we might want to go back on topic. :P