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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: critor on January 25, 2013, 02:12:09 pm

Title: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: critor on January 25, 2013, 02:12:09 pm: Do you know the TI-82 Stats?
(http://tiplanet.org/wiki/images/thumb/1/10/TI-82STATS.jpg/54px-TI-82STATS.jpg)

In several countries it's been the TI graphing calculators 1st price since 2004.
The TI-82 Stats is just a basic TI-83. It includes the latest TI-83 Parcus hardware from 2001 and runs the latest 1.10001 basic TI-83 ROM.
It's probably been named this way in order to avoid confusion with the new TI-83+ in those countries.

In France in 2006, the TI-82 Stats was replaced with the TI-82 Stats.fr.
But the hardware was completely different: it wasn't a basic TI-83 hardware anymore, but a TI-83+ hardware, slightly modified in order to run basic TI-83 ROMs.
The included 1.11fr7 ROM had been translated to french.

In 2009, the TI-82 Stats.fr was redesigned in black but kept the same ROM and hardware.
(http://tiplanet.org/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/TI-82STATS_FR_2006-2009.jpg/220px-TI-82STATS_FR_2006-2009.jpg)

In Germany, since back to school 2012, we've now got a new TI-82 Stats redesigned in black too:
(http://tiplanet.org/wiki/images/c/c8/TI_82_Stats_2012_allemagne.jpg)

We're wondering if it's still based on the basic TI-83 hardware, of if they moved to the modified TI-83+ hardware from the TI-82 Stats.fr, and if they've used a new ROM version or not.
But of course, the specifications are the sames as the basic TI-83.

Source:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11166&lang=en
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on January 25, 2013, 02:59:58 pm: Hmm, interesting.
Perhaps it's an 83+SE this time? :P
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 25, 2013, 04:54:26 pm: I saw the 2009 one before but I didn't realize the 82 Stats would be redesigned too, especially considering it was discontinued in many countries. I wonder if it will feature 83+ hardware so that we can do the same thing as the FX-9750G to 9860G?
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: persalteas on January 25, 2013, 05:08:52 pm: Quote
I wonder if it will feature 83+ hardware so that we can do the same thing as the FX-9750G to 9860G?

What do you mean ?
The TI-82 stats.fr have a 83plus-like hardware and nobody did anything with it...
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: critor on January 25, 2013, 05:12:41 pm: Quote from: DJ_O on January 25, 2013, 04:54:26 pm
I wonder if it will feature 83+ hardware so that we can do the same thing as the FX-9750G to 9860G?

The TI-76.fr & TI-82 Stats.fr feature 83+ hardware too, but nobody has managed to turn them into real TI-83+ yet.
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 25, 2013, 05:17:57 pm: Well, didn't such thing require modifying the hardware, still? I was sure that the 76 and 82 Stats.Fr was close to the 83+ hardware but that something in it prevented it from being converted into a 83+ (eg it would have required a small hardware modification or something) ???

Otherwise, what is preventing such thing from happening when we did it fine with the 9750GII?

And yes persalteas I meant that it was possible to flash your FX-9750GII so that it becomes a 9860G (although it doesn't work with newer models). By the way, to clear up any confusion, the FX-9750GII is actually the Graph 35+ USB in North America and the 9860G is the Graph 85.
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: persalteas on January 25, 2013, 05:22:10 pm: This "something" would probably be kept with the new 82 stats.
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 25, 2013, 05:29:39 pm: I wonder if it's just a protection against the conversion of the lower-end calcs into higher-end ones? (especially now that people managed to do it with the TI-73 and TI-Nspire)
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: critor on January 25, 2013, 05:35:04 pm: The TI-82 Stats.fr & TI-76.fr Flash ROMs have a grounded pin which physically limits you to the first 256KB , preventing you from accessing the whole 512KB Flash.

But even after modifying that, no Boot Code menu can be triggered with DEL+ON.
So we couldn't find a way to reflash the OS (the basic TI-83 OS is not designed to receive any OS).

And as the ROM only includes a basic TI-83 OS, you can't address more than 256KB in assembly, and there is no instruction/port to rewrite a Flash page.

The difference with the Casio Graph 35+USB / fx-9750Gii is that we were able to trigger the Boot Code install OS menu.
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 25, 2013, 05:39:04 pm: Ah ok thanks for the info. I remembered something about a pin or something, but I forgot what it involved and what it did. I am betting this was added in order to prevent a TI-82 Stats.Fr->TI-83+ conversion or whatever. But if that is not the case, then maybe TI might decide to make it easier to produce calcs by using only 1 hardware for all the low-end models rather than having to keep in touch with 2 similar but different hardware?
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: Sorunome on January 25, 2013, 06:21:44 pm: wouldn't you rather by an 83+ or an 84+ over that one? What is the sence in making new versions of it then?
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: TIfanx1999 on January 25, 2013, 09:20:54 pm: The idea is to provide people a cheaper alternative. Maybe they wouldn't be willing to spend on a TI-83+, but if the price were a little less (what the 82-stats is) they would.
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 25, 2013, 09:43:32 pm: Yeah, it's kinda like the TI-73 in USA. But in France you got two lower end alternatives to the 83+. I am sure it has to do with higher prices in Europe or fierce competition from Casio and maybe people having less money in overall though.
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: Ranman on January 26, 2013, 12:55:07 am: Dude!!! That is one sweet looking calculator.

Finally... a calculator that actually looks better than my HW1 TI-89.

Ranman ducks for cover
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: TIfanx1999 on January 26, 2013, 02:32:46 am: It does have a really nice color scheme. ^^
Title: Re: New black TI-82 Stats in Germany
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 26, 2013, 03:24:22 am: As far as calc re-designs go, I think it goes this way excluding language changes such as STATS->Stats.Fr:

TI-73:
-83 Plus style->73 Explorer->84 Plus style

TI-82:
-81 style->83 style->Parcus style

TI-83:
-83 style->83+ style->Parcus style->82 Stats->Black redesign

TI-84 Plus/Silver:
-84+ style->Pocket style

TI-89 Titanium:
-84+ style->Black redesign

So why, after 14 years, is the TI-83 Plus still using the same design despite still being sold? ??? Although I like the old design, I would have thought that TI would have tried to keep its designs more consistent and make the 83+ look like the 84+ ???

(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/83predesign.png)

Or like the TI-83 Parcus like in this TI-Planet pic (see link)

(http://i43.servimg.com/u/f43/13/23/13/53/83fr10.jpg) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7887#p115276)

Or maybe the 84 Pocket.Fr?

And of course the Voyage 200 had no re-design too, but we all know that the entire 68K line seems to be going down the drain so that isn't as surprising.