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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on January 08, 2009, 01:18:54 am
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It isn't really news, since it was out at least for 2 years, but there is effectively a new Casio calc emulator avaliable now, called NewGraph. It emulates the Casio FX-9860G model (altough for some reasons the emulator says 9960G, even thought there doesn't seems to be any), meaning the AFX series and the Classpad are no longer the only emulated calculators. I didn't got time to test everything but it seems to be almost fully functional. There is no documentation avaliable in readme form, though. Here is an animated screenshot made with Calc Capture and a static screenshot of the emulator:
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/casiofx9860emu.gif)
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/casiofx9860emu.jpg)
You can download it here: http://www.casio-europe.com/de/downloads/sgr/eActivities-engl.zip
If Casio allows so, in the future we may be able to provide this emulator for download here at Omnimaga, in case the link would go down.
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neato (:
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Cool you don't need a rom.
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Casio has good features against TI in math and programs options.
And the emulator is made by Casio? At least they hosted it.
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IMHO, before the FX-9860G models came out Casio graphing calcs were inferior to TIs programming wise. The commands are basically the same it seems on most calcs, even the cheap FX-9750G, but the Casio BASIC language is extremly slow compared to TI-BASIC. Some commands are at decent speed, but for example if you want to do Disp "HELLO WORLD", on Casios you simply do "HELLO WORLD", that's all. However on 2nd generation BASIC models it takes about 1/8 seconds for each character to appear, one by one, so if you want to disp text you better use Locate (which is the equivalent of Output, which is signifiantly slower). But even then the language is still much slower. The slower processors (4 MHz I think) doesn't help much though. Also the AFX models breaks after only a few years, because the flash memory (I think it's 768KB) lifetime is very short compared to the Casio FX-9860G and TI models. Also I heard that these models execute BASIC language even slower than CFX models (the ones with color screen). Also the only calcs with ASM support are Casio AFX and I think 9860G. C is also supported by Casio itself on Classpad 300 and 9860G but for other models you have to stick with BASIC. Another bad side is that the link cables for older models are extremly rare, since Casio graphing calcs are only avaliable in a limited amount of countries in low quantity, since TI dominates the market.
The good side of Casios is that the weaker models are generally cheap, they have good math functions, most has a screen of the same size than the TI-86. Despite the TI-BASIC limitations you can still do good games with it even if they are slow. And I can't wait to get my color screen calc to see if I can actually play around with the colors using TI-BASIC. Having seen screenshots of some RPGs like this one
(http://www.omnimaga.org/oldsite/warriorCFX.bmp)
I assume there is at least some possibilities.
I really think Casio did a good thing with the Casio FX-9860G models. They are much more powerful and faster than the older models and much more memory. There is even one model that supports SD cards. Since its release in 2005 I noticed the Casio community became a bit more active than it was when MLC died once back then.
Had this calc supported the 3 colors like the CFX models it would have got even more potential, since it has C support and maybe people could play with pixels to create grayscale and switch back and forth from a color to another to have purple/yellow (altough sometimes the screen might look a bit weird under light since LCD layers seems to be at slightly different levels)
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Traitors!!! Haha, jking..I just grew up around TIs and they are more everywhere than other places..
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Wow casio actually made an emulator, sweet deal that is cool. I mean I'm sure it is helpful for them because they can get people to try it out before they actually need them. And I know from my experience that I have teachers that use vti to show off stuff on the calc now they could use the casio emu too. Very cool all around.
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I'm still unsure why it's written 9960g tho O.o
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Yeah that is weird I never noticed that!?
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Really weird because I can not imagine a decent explanation.
You can save your programs with password and trigonometry functions have better precision. They don't give things like 1E-6 when TI83/84 do (at least when showing in the equivalent to homescreen). I am curious if fractions are better or not.
Graphing in CASIO seems strange. But they used more "soft" keys than TI...
TI dominates the market because there is staff that goes to schools and there are many TI around.
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Not bad, the color models are really neat looking, but I also like the one that flips open and closed (don't remember which model it is).
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The color models look awesome! too bad about the speed though :(
TI dominates the market because there is staff that goes to schools and there are many TI around.
While that may be true, I think the reason they've maintained their domination of the market is because there needs to be some uniformity in calculators. Think of all the trouble just having one kind of calculator teachers have, so if in one class there were 10 kinds of radically different calculators, everyone would be confused, and there wouldn't be enough of us (calculator geeks/nerds/addicts etc...) to go around.
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true, they prbly promoted TI more and schools decided to go with them, plus TI-83+ seems easier to use than Casios, because as you turn them ON you go directly on home screen. Casios goes to a menu and you must figure out what's the equivalent of home screen (Run) and some other controls are a bit weird and some menus can be hard to find without a manual. On the TI-83+ menus are easy to navigate and simple. Graphing is also easier to access it seems. The downside is the higher demand=higher prices.
The lowest you could go in the two last grades in hi school over here was the TI-80. In hard math they told us that we should buy a TI-82 or TI-83+, but that a TI-80 could do ok, just with some minor limitations regarding graphing and some missing functions. I rarely ever seen TI-83 regular editions in my city. Most people either had TI-83+s and a minority had TI-80s and TI-82s.
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i see the old TI83+'s all the time at my school. they still actually sell that version at walmart here.
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Teachers never wanted us to use our calcs for graphing so really in highschool unless you were taking like calculus you never really needed any more than a scientific calc. It sure was nice to have the graphing calcs though.
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strangely, in Montreal at the school my cousin goes to, they are not even allowed to use any calc, not even a BASIC one in maths. Nobody even knows about TI-83+s there. Then you move 155 miles to the east and you are forced to use a graphing calculator and have to know how to use it. I'm unsure if it's because the school system changed that much in 5 years but I was so surprised. They didn't even disabled calcs in tests. However, the way the problems were written you couldn't even use your calc for most of the exam except for small calculations, because you had to write the whole solution of how you solved the problem.
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It isn't really news, since it was out at least for 2 years, but there is effectively a new Casio calc emulator avaliable now, called NewGraph. It emulates the Casio FX-9860G model (altough for some reasons the emulator says 9960G, even thought there doesn't seems to be any), meaning the AFX series and the Classpad are no longer the only emulated calculators. I didn't got time to test everything but it seems to be almost fully functional. There is no documentation avaliable in readme form, though. Here is an animated screenshot made with Calc Capture and a static screenshot of the emulator:
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/casiofx9860emu.gif)
Necropost :P
How did you get that screenshot, DJ? I can't seem to get one.
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There's no screenshot option in the emu. I used CalcCapture.
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How do you use that? And what is it?
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Search on ticalc.org for CalcCapture. It captures from Virtual TI by default but you can setup the screenshot capture to capture from other stuff as well, even non-calc emulators. It's used to take animated screenshots from the TI-Nspire emulators.
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Okay, I found it. How did you set it up to handle newgraph?
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newgraph? ???
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The emulator
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Oh, CalcCapture doesn't really "recognize" the emulator. You have to tell it where the calculator screen is, and it's basically a screen recorder. Here (http://ourl.ca/6943/114911)'s a short tutorial on how it works (it was made for nspire_emu, but you'll understand it).
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Yeah you need to setup a new emulator/window name then the screen.
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Wow I just noticed this file is still online! O.O
Sorry for the necropost, but the good thing about this emulator is that unlike the FX-9860G manager, this one has no 90 days trial, so you can use it as long as you want. It's still on Casio's official servers, so you better get it while it last.
However, to send files to the emulator, you must:
1) Copy the program to the emulator folder
2) Go to the memory manager on calc
3) Select SD Card
4) Load the file of your choice.
It dates back in August 2005, so it's definitively far from OS 2.00, meaning no string functions. Also it doesn't detect add-ins in the main menu.
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Interesting, didn't actually realize until now that this was an official emulator :o I wonder why Casio provides the service in that case, without even requiring a ROM image.
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Well, as long as this thread is going to be resurrected, I may as well put in my two cents...
Not bad, the color models are really neat looking, but I also like the one that flips open and closed (don't remember which model it is).
That was the Fx-9860G Slim ;)
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Yup. Personally I would have liked to get one, but I fear I wouldn't have gotten used to the different keypad layout. :P
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Well, i've got this one (i do not use it much, but my daughter has that calculator):
(http://imageshack.us/a/img607/3252/jriz.png)
It still can be downloaded from here : http://oud.digischool.nl/wi/rekenmachines/CASIO-9860/fx-9860.html#7
Yeah the page in in dutch but has a lot of interesting stuff for Casio enthusiasts. See if it still suits you. ;)
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Interesting. This one has a different name too. I guess they couldn't make up their mind back then ???
2005: NewGraph
2006: fx-9860 Emulator
201?: fx-9860G Manager PLUS (the one with a trial period)