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Title: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 26, 2013, 12:11:21 pm
For years, the TI-Nspire community has been working for the openness of the TI-Nspire, in order for its users to operate their calculators to their fullest potential.

And so was born Ndless, a framework for running assembly programs taking full control of the hardware in particular of the processor.
Some examples of Ndless compatible programs:

(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=1221) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=1221)

Ndless has existed in several versions, each one specific to a single or a small set of TI-Nspire systems:

Ndless versionTI-Nspire system version
1.0/1.11.1
1.1 prototype1.1 (non-CAS prototypes)
1.2 prototype1.2 (CAS prototypes)
1.31.3
1.41.4
1.71.7
2.01.7, 2.0.1, 2.1.0
3.13.1

The lack of an Ndless cross version is due to the fact that Ndless is not an officially supported program, and Texas Instruments has actively fought it since system 2.1.
Indeed, Ndless installation exploits some flaws in the TI-Nspire system. But any vulnerability exploited then quickly fixed or blocked by Texas Instruments in the next version of the system, forcing Ndless to always use new vulnerabilities.

Do you think you just don't have to update?
Except that Texas Instruments forces the update through various automated popups.
And eventually, all new TI-Nspire will come preloaded with the latest system - it is therefore not a solution for new users.


You'll tell me you just have to reinstall an earlier version of the system?
This was indeed possible until July 2010. At that date, the last 2.1 system has activated a protection which was there but disabled since the beginning, something we called the "system anti-downgrade protection".
System 2.1 and all subsequent systems are updating a minimal installable version number in a memory area not accessible to users and non clearable by any official menu.
Any previous version of the system is then rejected.





As a solution to those problems, the community did release another little tool, Nlaunch.
The TI-Nspire starts by running three pieces of software:

So in order to get to the operating system, there are two safety barriers to be overcome.

Where Ndless did only exploit flaws od the system, Nlaunch goes further as directly addressing the Boot Code 2 and overcoming one of both security barriers.
But as Ndless, Nlaunch is also specific to certain versions of the Boot2:

Nlaunch versionTI-Nspire Boot2 version
Nlaunch1.4
Nlaunch CX3.1 (TI-Nspire CX)

Nlaunch is able to install and run operating systems completely ignoring the minimum version of the system, and even to make a recent system to coexist with an old Ndless compatible system.

Like with operating systems, Texas Instruments quickly responded by including a TI-Nspire CX Boot2 update in its latest 3.2.4 operating system.




The TI-Nspire community wasn't worried about that:

(http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/23/13/53/th/downgr10.jpg) (http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/23/13/53/downgr10.jpg)




This was without counting on the wickedness of the Texas Instruments development team...

We could confirm that when updating a current TI-Nspire CX to the new 3.2.4 Boot2, it was still possible to reinstall the old Nlaunch compatible 3.1 Boot2.

But we hadn't tested this on new TI-Nspire CX coming preloaded with versions 3.2.4 of the system and the Boot2 ...
And although Boot2 3.1 is flashed successfuly through RS232 on these units, it is simply unable to run properly!  >:(
(http://i.imgur.com/WE5om7P.png) (http://i.imgur.com/rmYeKNv.png)

The boot2 fails on a non-recoverable error (System Error) and the RS232 console tells us a little more with the "BOOT2 Error: posix_file_init() error".

It's an error that has to do with the file system. But it's obviously still intact, as when flashing back the original 3.2.4 Boot2 the TI-Nspire CX boots successfuly.

So, Texas Instruments did probably change something on the new TI-Nspire CX, something that is managed properly by the new 3.2.4 Boot2 but not the old 3.1 Boot2.
Up to date, we do not know exactly what it is

So basically, Texas Instruments just invented us a new antidowngrade protection, "Boot2 antidowngrade protection". But managing to make its own older version of the code crash instead of giving you a clear and related error message is not very clean from my point of view - it just looks like a dirty hack - we were used to much cleaner protections so far...




In conclusion, the new TI-Nspire CX sold from now on are completely closed, with no known way to install Ndless or Nlaunch up to date.  >:(

If you want to use Ndless or Nlaunch, we'd advise you to give up on purchasing a brand new TI-Nspire CX and to look for it on the second-hand market.

In fact on the back of the TI-Nspire CX, on the right of the serial number, is what is called the datestamp, a 7-character code.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vpd0R09.jpg)

The new TI-Nspire CX crashing Boot2 3.1 which have been reported to us up to date have the datestamp 'P-0313J'.
This means that they were manufactured in the TI factory code P (China) in March 2013, and that they include the hardware revision J (11th version) of the motherboard.

On the second hand market you'll be able to ask the seller the datestamp of the calculator, and to buy only TI-Nspire CX whose datestamp ends with a letter from A to I.




This is a sad day for the community. For the third time, Ndless and all its compatible programs have been beaten to death, and even stronger than the previous times. Will they be able to survive this time? ... :'(




Source:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=147130&lang=en
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: TIfanx1999 on August 26, 2013, 12:56:04 pm
It seems TI is becoming ever more tenacious in blocking third party software. I can't say I'm surprised. :/ This stinks for new users though. :(
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: aeTIos on August 26, 2013, 01:03:54 pm
Not sure wheter to downvote these posts for bringing bad news...
j/k; this really sucks. Glad I have ndless on my nspire ;3
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: AlexisVieira on August 26, 2013, 01:40:22 pm
Not sure wheter to downvote these posts for bringing bad news...

I was thinking the same...
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 26, 2013, 01:43:50 pm
It would not be a good idea to downvote critor, who went out of his way and spent hours of his free time discussing with people, gathering information, testing on his calculator, writing about the bad news (in both French and English), etc.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 26, 2013, 01:57:04 pm
well, that sucks.
Why do they have to try to block out everything :(
The few people who actually google on how to put a cas os on a non-cas system probably won't make a big difference on their income.....
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: AlexisVieira on August 26, 2013, 02:07:45 pm
It would not be a good idea to downvote critor, who went out of his way and spent hours of his free time discussing with people, gathering information, testing on his calculator, writing about the bad news (in both French and English), etc.

yes i was decided to upvote thinking on all the work... it's bad new but very well composed... as always
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 26, 2013, 02:09:47 pm
The "posix_file_init()" seems to be nothing new. (http://www.cemetech.net/projects/uti/viewtopic.php?p=140606&sid=de11acaededd9bb0aa6b735039957a25#140606)
Is there any way to dump the filesystem image?

Edit: RS232 Bootlog of the newest Boot2?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 26, 2013, 02:33:44 pm
The "posix_file_init()" seems to be nothing new. (http://www.cemetech.net/projects/uti/viewtopic.php?p=140606&sid=de11acaededd9bb0aa6b735039957a25#140606)
Yes, but on the difference, the error here happens with official code.
There are many ways to trigger that error, as it is a filesystem initialisation error.

Is there any way to dump the filesystem image?
If we had native code, yes... It might come from the Manuf too, as it does include some filesystem informations. I successfully managed to trigger it that way.

Edit: RS232 Bootlog of the newest Boot2?

The RS232 Bootlog in the news if of course a 3.1 Boot2 running on a TI-Nspire CX hardware revision J.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 26, 2013, 02:41:36 pm
Quote
The RS232 Bootlog in the news if of course a 3.1 Boot2 running on a TI-Nspire CX hardware revision J.
No, I mean the bootlog of the newest Boot2, which is 3.2 currently. Has anything changed?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 26, 2013, 02:45:03 pm
Nothing seem to have changed. It's the same Datalight FlashFX version which is reported in the bootlog.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 26, 2013, 02:50:20 pm
What is more possible: Change in the hardware (ASIC, Flash, something else) or change in software (Boot1?)
I think TI prevented installation of older boot2 versions accidentially, this doesn't look like a serious attempt ;-)
Does an "old" calculator show the same symptoms after formatting the entire NAND, overwriting manuf with a newer one and installing 3.2 Boot2 + OS from scratch?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 26, 2013, 02:51:26 pm
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Does an "old" calculator show the same symptoms after formatting the entire NAND, overwriting manuf with a newer one and installing 3.2 Boot2 + OS from scratch?
Maybe, but we don't have a copy of the newer manuf, and can't obtain one without arbitrary native code execution ;)
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 26, 2013, 02:53:45 pm
Oh, I forgot that :banghead:
Seems like I got too used to freedom  >:(
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 26, 2013, 02:56:39 pm
You're not alone having to think 'differently' from now on... ;)
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 26, 2013, 03:56:57 pm
Not sure wheter to downvote these posts for bringing bad news...
j/k; this really sucks. Glad I have ndless on my nspire ;3
Yeah the bad news itself would definitively deserve dislikes, although it would be kinda unfair for the user (and isn't how we use the rating system here anyway). But yeah this is bad news indeed. TO be honest, though, seeing how inactive the Nspire community got after the whole OS 3.0.2 anti downgrade debacle and the arrival of the 84+CSE (which is surpringsly open as much as older models), I kinda gave up on the TI-Nspire. One day, maybe TI will release a new TI-Nspire that has limited Wi-fi support, but no USB/Serial/3.5mm port, no screws that can be removed to open the calc (like the Xbox 360) other than the battery pack and pretty much all Ndless exploits fixed. It seems like they're still on an all-out war against 3rd party development on that calculator.

Although the Nspire is still a very solid machine for school usage, IMHO I would recommend that people who plan to program or play games instead choose the TI-84+CSE, which is already very popular too, or the upcoming HP Prime, Casio Prizm or an older model such as the TI-83+/84+/SE, FX-9860G or TI-89 Titanium. The ClassPad has a CAS so that can be an option too, but like the Prizm, BASIC is very slow and like the Nspire, it lacks ASM/C. The Prime lacks ASM/C as well, but its BASIC language is so fast that the addition of ASM/C support is not as much of a big hurry as it was for the Nspire. Maybe a new hack will break this new Nspire protection, but it can get quite annoying if a new anti-downgrade comes out every 6 months, blocking your own calc again.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Spenceboy98 on August 26, 2013, 04:58:39 pm
This sucks. :'( Now, if someone wins an Nspire CX in a contest/giveaway thing hosted by TI, they'll probably get the one with the bad OS. D:
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 26, 2013, 05:40:08 pm
The TI-Planet contests Nspire CX were received months ago.
So probably no problem with those.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Hooloovoo on August 26, 2013, 05:49:18 pm
I think that the most frustrating part of this protection is that you can downgrade the boot2 in the emulator without a problem. It is just on real hardware where the protection comes into play.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 26, 2013, 05:53:02 pm
Pretty normal, as if there is a new NAND chip or a new Manuf image, we don't know about them and can't tell the emulator.
So it's emulating what works: hardware revisions A to I.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 26, 2013, 11:06:19 pm
This sucks. :'( Now, if someone wins an Nspire CX in a contest/giveaway thing hosted by TI, they'll probably get the one with the bad OS. D:
What would be ironic is if TI organized a programming contest for the TI-84 Plus, where ASM or hybrid programs were allowed, yet they gave a J model TI-Nspire CX as prize. <_<

I seriously hope that if Omni staff were planning to give TI-Nspire calcs for a contest prize that they already bought them long ago.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 27, 2013, 08:29:01 am
well yeah, i used to want a nspire cx, but not really anymore now seing as how locked up it is, resulting in the community even on the older models dying due to only a small portion of the cx users being able to use it.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 27, 2013, 08:31:01 am
The only way to keep the nspire definitely open is an hardware exploit..
But that's even more unlikely than TI getting nicer.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 27, 2013, 08:32:14 am
But then again not everybody would like to mod the hardware on a 100€+ calculator.....lazyness and being afraide to break something.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 27, 2013, 08:34:36 am
I rather mean something like holding esc on startup prevents the CPU from resetting its registers and PC.
That'd be a bug that can't be worked around using software.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 27, 2013, 08:35:46 am
oh, something like that.
That would be very unlikles i believe.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 27, 2013, 08:40:33 am
A boot1 0-day would still be great ;)
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Adriweb on August 27, 2013, 11:42:22 am
well, definitely :D

Has any boot1 flaw/exploit ever been found on any version, actually ?
Title: Re: Re: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 27, 2013, 01:32:31 pm
I rather mean something like holding esc on startup prevents the CPU from resetting its registers and PC.
That'd be a bug that can't be worked around using software.
yeah indeed. If it was actually an hardware modding like on the CFX-9850G series back in the days, I remember that nobody other than MPoupe ever bothered modding their calc to run ASM. Even without modding, if you still are required to purchase extra hardware it still reduces the userbase considerably, unless that hardware is available for purchase offline worldwide (which isn't the case with the RS232 thing. Else, if an hardware exploit requires no modding, it has more chances of being used by community members at least.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 27, 2013, 02:22:33 pm
but wouldn't a hardware exploit again be rather easy for ti to fix with newer models?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 27, 2013, 02:24:22 pm
Harder than software ones. But don't even think about the nspire having exploitable hardware..
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 27, 2013, 02:25:05 pm
I can't imagine it either....without hardware modding.
Title: Re: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 28, 2013, 04:43:02 am
If hardware modding did work and actually got popular on the Nspire, then get ready for sealed calc cases that cannot even be opened, like the Xbox 360, but worse (they'll most likely make them of brushed metal like the HP Prime face/front, but solder the front with the back). O.O
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 28, 2013, 04:44:27 am
But solder can be removed :P
So let's get welding......
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 28, 2013, 03:29:06 pm
In France, it is possible to spot new TI-Nspire CX as the demo sticker on the packaging has been changed for back to school 2013.
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2877) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2877)

Could you check for North America?
It would be a very important news I think.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 28, 2013, 04:11:56 pm
The local Staples store had the Nspire CX discontinued for half a year before they finally decided to stock in again, but the last time I checked they still had the same red package as before.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Sorunome on August 28, 2013, 05:17:44 pm
In France, it is possible to spot new TI-Nspire CX as the demo sticker on the packaging has been changed for back to school 2013.
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2877) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2877)

Could you check for North America?
It would be a very important news I think.
That would be so cool, you'd *at least* know which one you'll buy.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: TIfanx1999 on August 29, 2013, 08:51:49 am
In France, it is possible to spot new TI-Nspire CX as the demo sticker on the packaging has been changed for back to school 2013.
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=thumbnail&image_id=2877) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?image_id=2877)

Could you check for North America?
It would be a very important news I think.

It's probably the same. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of stores still have old stock here though. Nspires don't seem to sell as much over here. I'll take a look next time I'm out and about. ;)
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Legimet on August 29, 2013, 12:10:11 pm
In North America for the old Nspire CXs, (at least the ones I got from math competitions), the demo sticker is a hot air balloon. I haven't seen any new Nspire CX yet though.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Roboman on August 29, 2013, 05:41:07 pm
Earlier somebody said a full memory dump of the new calcs would help, couldn't a hardware modification make that possible?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 29, 2013, 05:42:17 pm
Very hard, BGA parts only.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: tomatosalad on August 29, 2013, 06:53:50 pm
In North America for the old Nspire CXs, (at least the ones I got from math competitions), the demo sticker is a hot air balloon. I haven't seen any new Nspire CX yet though.

The new ones are hot air balloons, too.

I feel shafted. I got my first Nspire CX last night, spent about an hour wondering why things weren't working and why it was refusing to downgrade and then I found this thread. Really disappointed.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 29, 2013, 07:17:09 pm
TI-Nspire CX CAS hardware revision J:
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=184&image_id=2878) (http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/album.php?album_id=184)

New NAND chip, new motherboard with a completely different reference, removal of the internal J04/JTAG connector.

There are some similarities with the strange TI-Nspire CX discovered by ust.
Pictures in the Omnimaga topic seem to have become broken, but they are available in the TI-Planet hardware J news:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=12898


I think that I might be bringing more questions than answers.
Feel free to comment - your guess may be as good as mine.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 30, 2013, 05:14:55 am
Why is the dock connector on a seperate board?
I know that older calculators are the same way, but why?
It only induces more stress on the solder joints.
How do they flash boot1? Are they using Mask-ROM or just one-time-writable memory?
If they're using the latter, the possibility should exist to change some bits to 0.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 30, 2013, 05:57:05 am
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How do they flash boot1? Are they using Mask-ROM or just one-time-writable memory?
We have no clue on models without an external NOR Flash chip, i.e. the majority of them.
There are at least three conjectures:
* it's done when the LSI Logic chip is manufactured, by its manufacturer;
* it's done by TI after receiving the chips but before soldering;
* it's done by TI after soldering, e.g. through the JTAG. But the J CX hardware revision probably renders that conjecture false.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Hooloovoo on August 30, 2013, 06:25:48 pm
I would expect that the new NAND chip has a slightly different interface, and makes it impossible for the old boot2 to interface with it. I think that nlaunch might not be possible because the older OSs are probably not compatible with the new Nand chip.
Also, is it possible that there is a jtag interface on the dock connector?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Vogtinator on August 30, 2013, 07:19:25 pm
The boot1 version is the same and it doesn't make sense to me to include drivers in boot1 which aren't included in boot2 and vice versa.
But then it's TI.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on August 31, 2013, 08:42:57 am
nbzwt on cncalc.org has found some interesting things about the new ROM chip:
http://www.cncalc.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=9307&page=1#pid124157
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: TheSmartWon on September 06, 2013, 12:36:07 am
I know I'm a week late, but if anyone out there pwning the N-Spire needs someone else to test or reference something on the newer model...I'm more than glad to help.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on September 06, 2013, 05:37:30 am
Which CX hardware revision do you own? J?
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: TheSmartWon on September 09, 2013, 05:28:35 am
Yes, it is hardware revision J :(. I am more than happy to take it apart if needbe.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: critor on September 09, 2013, 05:33:47 am
We already took apart HW-J.
http://ourl.ca/19500

Not sure if we can find something more this way.

It would still be interesting to take apart HW-G, HW-H, HW-I and HW-K.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Springyboy on March 09, 2014, 05:00:18 pm
Sorry to start up this discussion again, but now it looks like there's even an L version with OS 3.6 pre-installed on it. :banghead:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140303154014AAAOxoX
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: sinala on March 10, 2014, 02:58:55 pm
No, keep it going! Ugh. I just got one off of Amazon a week ago and it was J with 3.2, so don't know where the L's are coming from. T_T
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: Springyboy on March 10, 2014, 05:55:40 pm
You can never tell which model you're getting in terms of J and L models. They must still be selling out of J models and then getting the L model's in. The person who has the L model that I referred to must've gotten it new in America (most likely) and not from Europe.
Title: Re: New TI-Nspire CX Boot2 antidowngrade protection blocks Ndless + Nlaunch
Post by: sinala on March 10, 2014, 09:46:33 pm
I'm in the U.S. too, guess I just got "lucky"  :banghead: