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Title: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2010, 05:40:44 pm
Several years ago, Benryves from MaxCoderz started working on a 3D engine called Nostromo, but it eventually died. He has now revived it!
(http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/nostromo.gif)
The above is a screenshot of some of the recent progress, but there are more on his blog (http://www.benryves.com)! It also explains more details about the engine and older news features even more screenshots.

Could this be the future of TI-z80 assembly 3D gaming? Project discussions are available in Nostromo forum on MaxCoderz (http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewforum.php?f=38) and in the topic on Cemetech (http://cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5276).

In other news, the TI-83 and 84 Plus Program of the Year (POTY) survey for 2010 is now open on ticalc.org. There are 18 entries. The poll is located on their front page in the side bar.
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: yunhua98 on December 09, 2010, 05:42:40 pm
wow, that engine looks epic!  and I voted for Axe on the Z80 POTY.  ;)
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: AngelFish on December 09, 2010, 05:50:55 pm
This is exactly what I was making for Black, except infinitely more epic  :w00t:

Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: willrandship on December 09, 2010, 06:15:16 pm
Is it going to be released? It seems like it would be very handy to use. I wonder how hard an nspire port would be? at the same screen res (with double or triple pixels) you could probably even have wall textures!
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2010, 06:23:47 pm
This is exactly what I was making for Black, except infinitely more epic  :w00t:


Wait, what do you mean by much more epic? Do you mean your engine was more epic? If so, I wish you could post some screenshots :P

Regardless, are you still working on Black or is it dead?
Is it going to be released? It seems like it would be very handy to use. I wonder how hard an nspire port would be? at the same screen res (with double or triple pixels) you could probably even have wall textures!
I don't know, but I think there were downloads available on the site. It will most likely just be an engine, though, not a full game.
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: willrandship on December 09, 2010, 06:24:33 pm
I think he meant vice-versa :P
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: AngelFish on December 09, 2010, 06:29:12 pm
This is exactly what I was making for Black, except infinitely more epic  :w00t:
Wait, what do you mean by much more epic? Do you mean your engine was more epic? If so, I wish you could post some screenshots :P

I wish the Black engine was as awesome as Ben's engine is. I'm thinking of scrapping the whole thing and waiting for his to come out :P
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 09, 2010, 07:11:16 pm
Wow, Nostromo is epic! Really glad it got revived :o
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: squidgetx on December 09, 2010, 07:36:40 pm
that thing puts my raycasting engine to shame XP I'm interested in where it'll go though! When you think about it, raycasters aren't even true 3D since there's only 2 planes of movement D:
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Yeong on December 09, 2010, 08:05:19 pm
someone should make a 3D zelda game with this? :w00t:
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 09, 2010, 08:06:20 pm
that thing puts my raycasting engine to shame XP I'm interested in where it'll go though! When you think about it, raycasters aren't even true 3D since there's only 2 planes of movement D:

Wow, you're right, most raycasters don't even allow you to move up. This is awesome... And it's pretty fast, too. I wonder what the first game made with Nostromo will be...
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: fb39ca4 on December 09, 2010, 08:13:09 pm
Is it going to be released? It seems like it would be very handy to use. I wonder how hard an nspire port would be? at the same screen res (with double or triple pixels) you could probably even have wall textures!
well, it was written in z80 asm, so it'd be hard to make a true port, it would have to be a complete rewrite using the same concepts.

Finally, we can have halo for calc!
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Hot_Dog on December 09, 2010, 10:54:06 pm
I can't wait to see how this will be used!
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: willrandship on December 09, 2010, 11:15:51 pm
Something to note: what makes it a raycaster is that it only allows two planes of rotation. They call it raycasting by how the lines are stretched according to your current viewpoint, and only having two planes exponentially simplifies the math for that method. Raytracing, for example, is the same thing for 3d (as in all planes of rotation and movement) but is way slower than conventional 3d methods.

Something to note is that NCaster is still a raycaster, you can move up and down, but not look up and down.

Ben's Engine is not a raycaster, but note that he is taking huge pains to optimize it, and will probably never have textures on the walls, unless the 84+ gets another core unlocked :P
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2010, 02:09:48 am
This is exactly what I was making for Black, except infinitely more epic  :w00t:
Wait, what do you mean by much more epic? Do you mean your engine was more epic? If so, I wish you could post some screenshots :P

I wish the Black engine was as awesome as Ben's engine is. I'm thinking of scrapping the whole thing and waiting for his to come out :P
Aww sorry to hear. It would still be nice to see what you have, though. Was yours in Axe?
that thing puts my raycasting engine to shame XP I'm interested in where it'll go though! When you think about it, raycasters aren't even true 3D since there's only 2 planes of movement D:
I hope you finish the raycaster, though. Also I think Nostromo is only for use by ASM programmers, not Axe (or BASIC). It must be much harder to create maps, too. With a raycaster, you just edit a tilemap.
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Galandros on December 10, 2010, 03:18:04 pm
Excellent work of Ben Ryves.

It would be epic, if it turned into a game. ;D
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: willrandship on December 10, 2010, 05:50:33 pm
@DJ

That can be fixed :P From what he says about nodes on his blog, it sounds like a point and connection line drawing routine (with moving platforms. *drool*) so hopefully Axe will eventually get a level editor for it, and someone could write an axiom, providing he doesn't mind of course ;)
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 11, 2010, 01:50:00 am
Ah, right, that would be cool as axioms, providing it's not too hard to use. :D
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: bwang on December 11, 2010, 02:27:38 pm
Good god, it lives! I never thought I'd live to see this happy day :)
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 11, 2010, 11:31:29 pm
It's also cool that MaxCoderz still has some projects in the works. I hope tr1p1ea returns with more progress on Desolate 8 Lv grayscale soon.
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: JCW on December 12, 2010, 01:04:50 am
Wow.
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 13, 2010, 12:56:15 am
It's a JCW! ;D
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Eeems on December 13, 2010, 01:10:05 am
Wow.
:O long time no see!
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: Ranman on December 13, 2010, 01:37:55 am
I really like Nostromo. With the limited calc resolutions, I actually prefer the walls without textures, it leaves the screen clean and easy to discern the other important objects to interact with.
Title: Re: Nostromo updates & Z80 POTY survey opening
Post by: feerik on December 22, 2010, 07:25:32 pm
g-g-g-godly...