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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: Silver Shadow on March 05, 2010, 03:07:26 pm
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TI has finally released the v2.0 of its Nspire OS! It has many new exciting features that can be seen here:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/homePage/nspire-software-os.html (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/homePage/nspire-software-os.html)
This new version still allows downgrading, since the boot2 code hasn't been modified. Also, the 84+ mode has been updated to v2.54MP. Also note that it doesn't yet work on Goplat's emu (something about new code concerning USB...). Naturally, Ndless doesn't work on this OS, since only v1.1 is supported.
They also have released a new version of the Nspire handheld in itself, which now uses touchpad technology, and has a completely new keyboard layout!!! The old Nsire non-CAS won't be left out as TI will also propose the touchpad on its own, thus allowing us to get the touchpad without having to buy a new calc.
http://education.ti.com/images/product-family/nspire-family-banner-2-Touch.jpg
Download is avaliable here. (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=6766)
For Ndless users with Windows 7, Texas Instruments also released a new version of the TI-Nspire Computer Link Software on their website here, which no longer freezes when exiting under Windows 7. We do not know what other improvements were made to it, though.
You can download it here. (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=6772)
UPDATE (March 6th 2010): It appears Ndless is not compatible with TI Computer Link Software version 1.4. You will get an error about a missing navnet.dll when attempting to install it. DO NOT upgrade to 1.4 if you are planning to continue using Ndless 1.0. ExtendeD is currently working on a fix for this.
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The fact that this comes a week after the release of Ndless must be more than just coincidence. But unless Google Translator is wrong (and it very well could be), a post on yAronet says that downgrading is still possible in 2.0.
I wonder if TI intends to phase out the old Nspires and replace them with a new model incompatible with OS 1.1?
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Lol epic ninja here. I posted a news about it like 5 mins later, written at the same time XD
I just added some parts of mine in yours, such as emphasis on Ndless issues, the Link software update and changing the title.
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Yeah, lol, I made an epic ninja here! XD
Also note that the new version DOES have input in the form of a popup windows in Basic programs.
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Sounds cool! (If I only had a Nspire...)
With Asm, could hooks let the getKey command be possible? (Hooks like xLib)
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keep in mind Ndless won't run on 2.0, tho
Yeah, lol, I made an epic ninja here! XD
Also note that the new version DOES have input in the form of a popup windows in Basic programs.
ew
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keep in mind Ndless won't run on 2.0, tho
Oh, right. Sorry about that. :)
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Here's some more interesting info:
-84+ emu mode is in v2.54MP
-OS 2.0 is downgradable
-boot2 code wasn't modified
-TI will release a touchpad for the old non-CAS Nspire, making it work like the new one
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Will the new keypads work on OS 1.1?
Also it sucks for BASIC gamers about OS 2.54 MP x.x
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I doubt that the 1.1 OS will support these new keypads, meaning that if someone buys this new Nspire, he'll have to wait for Ndless being ported to the new OS.
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You say is coincidence one week after the ndless, but I would only get sure it is a response in coding effort by TI if it disabled the downgrading and fixed the exploits.
Ninjas are getting common. :P
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Also it sucks for BASIC gamers about OS 2.54 MP x.x
No it doesn't, DJ...
My speed tests are showing something very interesting...
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Displaying on the text screen with MP enabled is 2.5 times faster on the 2.54MP system, than on the 2.53MP system.
For previous systems, 84+ emulation speed on the TI-Nspire was similar to a true TI-84+ speed.
So it's not the Nspire cpu that is making a difference...
Furthermore, with MP disabled there is no difference between the 2.54MP and the 2.53MP...
No, TI has done "something" special for the 2.54MP system...
The 1st question is "what?"...
The 2nd question is "can it be ported to the true TI-84+?"...
Check my original post in french:
http://tibank.forumactif.com/actualites-f7/performances-ti-84-t5141.htm#82216
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That's pretty neat critor. I'm curious as well. What did TI do...
Great job finding that! :)
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That's pretty neat critor. I'm curious as well. What did TI do...
Great job finding that! :)
Thanks.
So let's sum up...
Reference is OS 2.43.
With MP enabled, Disp/Output are 6 times slower on the 2.53MP...
With MP enabled Disp/Output are only 2.5 times slower on the 2.54MP!!!
DJ, can you test?
What do you think about it?
I'll be happy to read you ;)
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I might test later altough this would mean having to switch back to 1.1 later and reinstalling Ndless, right? (which takes a long while, btw x.x)
Also does Ndless works with TI-Nspire Computer Link Software 1.4?
Interesting to hear about the speed differences, though.
What I am curious about on 2.54MP is if xLIB runs fine. It would be funny if stuff that no longer worked on 2.53 worked fine on 2.54
EDIT: Ok finally installed OS 2.0. It took 10 minutes x.x Some infos so far:
1) WARNING! ONCE INSTALLING OS 2.0 FROM 1.1 (not tested on other OSes), IN 84 MODE, YOUR ENTIRE MEMORY IS CLEARED! BACKUP ANYTHING FROM ARCHIVE AND RAM BEFORE UPGRADING!!! ILLUSIAT 13 WAS ARCHIVED AND IS NOW TOTALLY GONE, AND I WAS GREETED WITH 1.3 MB OF FLASH APPS PRE-INSTALLED.
gonna reinstall Illusiat 13, some other games (such as XXR and Reuben 2) then perform other tests now
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I haven't tried BASIC games yet, but to anyone still having an old TI-Nspire OS, was the speed difference of some ASM code THAT bad between the 84+ and the Nspire 84+ emu? Note, on the computer screen, one copy of Wabbitemu runs OS 2.41 and the other 2.53MP. They have been running for 2 minutes before starting video recording and it seems 2.53 MP runs ASM programs a tad slower, despite it barely being noticeable. Unless it's WabbitEmu?
But look at how fast my Axe Parser program (BASIC compiled into ASM) is on my Nspire compared to the 84+. NOTE: I tried my program on a real 83+ and SE calc before and got similar speed as on WabbitEmu. Also I had MathPrint ON on my Nspire. With it OFF I got same speed. I am really curious if older Nspire OSes runs ASM programs at such innacurate speed.
Btw I tried a modified version of Quigibo Space Invader clone in Axe parser too, having 6 rows of 10 ships showing up on the screen every frame, on both 2.54 and 2.53, and got pretty much similar speed results, but the 2.54 Nspire 84+ OS seemed to run it slightly faster.
The video showing Wabbitemu and my Nspire running the same program (despite using a different picture), is attached to the post.
Now gonna try Illusiat 13. I'm not gonna do a video, because I know how fast it runs on 2.53 MP with mathprint ON/OFF but I am gonna report on the overall speed.
By the way, sending TI-84 Plus files with TI Connect to a TI-Nspire in 84+ mode on Windows 7 is a MAJOR hassle x.x. You have to turn OFF/ON the calc almost every transfer else the USB transfer will constantly fail.
EDIT: ILLUSIAT 13 TEST DONE!
With MathPrint OFF, no speed difference over the 2.53 OS, altough maybe there could be minimal ones, but I haven't checked accurately. However with MathPrint ON, the speed still drops. I am unsure how slow it is, but the Illusiat menu animations appeared 2x slower than classic mode. These uses Disp command btw
EDIT 2:
Tested xLIB and Celtic III: xLIB fails like OS 2.53 MP. Celtic III works fine. Grayscale looks a bit crappy, though. This is the xLIB program I tried in the image attached below:
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I prefer OS1.7-2.0, on 1.1 I can't reboot without taking out the batteries... Ndless better be ported soon.
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Try the fix calc84 wrote.
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Try the fix calc84 wrote.
Which can be found here (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=487)
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Also note that the new version DOES have input in the form of a popup windows in Basic programs.
Very, very useful for math programs. This makes me want to ditch ndless and upgrade to 2.0, even if temporarily.
Mario ... or math?
Hmm ... we need Ndless for OS 2.0 ... i hate ti ... making my life hard.
Solution: calc84, we (or more like "I") neeeeed your ti-89 emulator for nspire
Also calc84, is it possible to just use ASM code to turn on the screen, instead of rebooting the os?
sorry if im saying stupid things, im not a programmer (yet, maybe after my 3 yrs of highschool compsci)
at least they haven't taken away the ability to downgrade ... i think i might upgrade ... no more gb(c) for me at school
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BrownyTCat nice to still see you around
And yea I hope they figure out a way to either allow Ndless to run on a newer OS or something to load two OSes on the same calculator. We just have to be patient, though, since they still have to find exploits on them, hoping there are any.
Since the 89 has many Nspire CAS functions, I think the TI-89 emu might be a temporary solution for Ndless users. Idk how far Calc84 is into dev, though. IIRC, it ran at slower speed than a real TI-89, but idk if it changed.
Btw don't worry about asking programming-related questions. ;) Everyone has to start somewhere and remember that programming, especially in ASM on such platforms, is a totally new world that can be pretty hard to understand. Many things are possible to do, but they can be hard to figure out.
Welcome here too, hoping for you and every Ndless users that the OS 1.7 and 2.0 are crackable :)
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calc84 said on UTI that since TI's LCD initialization function does not work on newer hardware, we can't turn on the screen.
I do think we need a at least an alpha release of the 89 emulator. It doesn't matter whether its fast or not, so long as it runs the AMS.
How are dialog boxes very, very useful for math? The Nspire was meant to do math via user defined functions that take arguments. We can't have anything interactive without graphics commands in BASIC, anyway.
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From the screenshots he showed in #omnimaga IRC channel, it seemed to work quite nicely. Mario 68k and M4r10 ran fine, for instance. IIRC he had some issues with some stuff, but I don't remember what. It would be cool if a release was done soon.
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How are dialog boxes very, very useful for math? The Nspire was meant to do math via user defined functions that take arguments. We can't have anything interactive without graphics commands in BASIC, anyway.
you cannot input new arguments during a program without dialog boxes.
I think there was a menu-like dialog box also. This way you dont have to write multiple programs to do tasks like conversion of format for linear equations, for example. Right now, i have 3 or 4 programs doing that in 1.7, but now in 2.0 i can make all these one.
if there cannot be ndless on 2.0, perhaps it would be fine if you ndless on an os that turns off and on, at least, and then the 89 emu
it would be very cool if we had a alpha or beta of "89emu4nspire"
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I would like it on at least 1.6 or 1.7. I doN,t remember how good was the one right before that, though, but 1.6 or 1.7 would sure do the job for most people, since it alerady has more functions than 1.1 and people seemed to be fine with them.
As for the TI-89 emulator, calc84 is still working on fixing bugs. Earlier on IRC, he had random crashes, fixed it, but then there were some issues and fixed it too. Idk what problems remains. To release an alpha he must make sure it won't break people calc and that it's useable, though. However, remember calc84maniac is doing this during his free time, for free, between school, real life and maybe even work. He is free to work on this at his own pace and could very well discontinue the project when he desires (altough I doubt this will happen). An alpha version will be released when it's released. He has no deadline to respect for a release date. The best thing to do is to be patient. Welcome to the world of free softwares.
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Yep! For most of us, (actually like all of us) we have a real life, we are doing this as a hobby and not as a work for the company. It is the individual developer's choice to work on it or not. Be careful not to push someone too hard, although poking from time to time to give some incentive is okay.
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Yeah, DJ hit the nail on the head. :)
We all (exception: http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showuser=29040) do this for fun and in our free time. As cool as it would be to have a specific program now, if most likely won't happen. ;D
I'm pretty sure you aren't trying to be pushy, so keep in mind that we aren't mad at you or anything. :) We are just expressing our opinions, and we aren't mad. I've seen people take things like this as "Why does everyone hate me!", so this is just to remind you that we don't hate you. :)
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Some things that definitely need to be done, off the top of my head, are:
1) Linking support (probably through the TI-84+ keypad)
2) Using .tns files to load/save the ROM
3) Saving the RAM and processor state upon exit, and loading upon start
4) Various TI-89 hardware that I simply have not implemented yet
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Also bad news about the new TI-Nspire CAS model: Sam101 tested stuff on yAronet and TI-BANK: it appears that the new CAS cannot be downgraded from OS 2.0. Sending 2.0 to the calc will work fine, but an older OS will not. The key combination to access the maintenance menu also appears to no longer work. Either it changed or it got removed completly...
I have no clue about the new TI-Nspire non-CAS.
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Arggh! So this is TI's response to Ndless; instead of taking legal action, they just make a new Nspire.
I wonder if they will still sell the old non-touchpad Nspires.
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Some things that definitely need to be done, off the top of my head, are:
1) Linking support (probably through the TI-84+ keypad)
2) Using .tns files to load/save the ROM
3) Saving the RAM and processor state upon exit, and loading upon start
4) Various TI-89 hardware that I simply have not implemented yet
cool!
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Arggh! So this is TI's response to Ndless; instead of taking legal action, they just make a new Nspire.
I wonder if they will still sell the old non-touchpad Nspires.
Thats not really the way i see it. The calculator itself is exactly the same, except for colors.
And if you buy the new keypad, you can use it on old Nspires, and vice versa.
So really, i dont think it is a new Nspire, just a very slightly modified on.
What sucks is that you cannot use less than os 2.0 on the new revision, even if you use the old keypad.
And the maintenance menu thing, that seems to be a direct response to Ndless
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I would like it on at least 1.6 or 1.7. I doN,t remember how good was the one right before that, though, but 1.6 or 1.7 would sure do the job for most people, since it alerady has more functions than 1.1 and people seemed to be fine with them.
i agree. A long as basic basic programs work and i can turn the calc off and on :)
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This is not a response to Ndless at all. How on earth could they develop and release a new Nspire revision in a couple weeks?
The old keypad should work on the new TI-Nspire numeric version.
The boot2 version is the same, so if we can find out the layout of the keyboard matrix on the new keypad, there might be an alternative key combination that is usable to downgrade.
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Has anyone tried whether the old keypad + new Nspire combination re-enables the maintenance menu?
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I heard the boot codes are the same, but is it really true? Why wouldn't the new calcs be downgradeable if they are the same, then?
I don't think this can be a response to Ndless either, since the new calcs came out so soon after the exploit came out . That's unless someone leaked an old version of Ndless only released to devs to Texas Instruments.
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Well, the thing that became Ndless existed since January, so TI has had plenty of time to prepare (after all, it was public knowledge that Ndless required certain flaws in OS 1.1 to function).
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Not to mention that Goplat emu came out in November, meaning if TI noticed this, even though the exploit was not found yet, they might have still tried to figure out if there are any at all and fix them/prevent them from being abused since then.
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(http://www.mirari.fr/mzET)
Source: http://tibank.forumactif.com/actualites-f25/ndless-2-proof-of-concept-t5208.htm
Explanation: Proof of concept of Ndless running on OS 2.0. Yes, a proof-of-concept, but could Ndless be useable on the new OS soon? Will it work on every Nspire hardware too?
EDIT: On another note, on yAronet, to attempt a downgrade on the new CAS, until the new maintenance key combination is found, ExtendeD suggests a more brutal method, similar to 73 and 83+ calcs: Remove a battery near the end of the OS 2.0 receiving, specifically during installation of it. A corrupted install triggers the deletion of the OS on the next boot by Boot 2, then resend a new OS via USB. However, there is no indication if it will work on new.
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Sweet POC! Nicely done!
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I just can't wait to have Ndless on my OS 2.0! That's totally awesome!!!
And all thanks to TI making more ways of hacking the OS...
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True, I really also hope they won't immediately release a 2.1 afterward to block downgrading x.x, else we'll know what they're up to.
EDIT: Small update on the 2.0 OS itself:
Quoted from #omnimaga:
[15:44:34] <@SilverSha> I've tested MirageOS on 2.54MP. It still doesn't work without the patch.
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[15:48:12] <@SilverSha> Wtf? Even with the patch, it still doesn't work!!!
In #ti, I reported the problem to BrandonW and he responded:
[15:52:52] <BrandonW> It's probably because the patch uses the unlock exploit that they fixed in 2.53MP.
[15:52:58] <BrandonW> It's a quick fix, I just need to get around to doing it.
[15:53:00] <BrandonW> Thanks for reminding me.
[15:53:32] <BrandonW> You might have to remind me again before the day's out.
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Ouch about Mirage. :(
I'm glad there are some Nspire geniuses out there. No matter what Ti does, the Nspire will be hacked, and it will have Asm. That's cool! ;D
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Try the fix calc84 wrote.
Which can be found here (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=487)
Thanks!
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so how long do you all think it will be until Ndless for 2.0 is released?
(not pressuring, just asking)
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so how long do you all think it will be until Ndless for 2.0 is released?
(not pressuring, just asking)
I dunno, I just want a C/ARM compiler that's easy for nSpire!
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The current toolchain is already reasonably simple to set up. Its just not all in one place, that's all.
Now, better libraries and more functions is another thing...
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I am not too sure how long it will be, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was within the next few weeks, since geogeo seems to have said something like it mostly needed clean up or small stuff.
Btw, Ndless 2.0 WILL NOT be ran the same way as Ndless 1.0, from what I heard. I kinda think it might be the same way as in the screenshot.
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can somebody send me the file for TI Nspire os 1.1 ay [email protected]
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Please do not ask the same question in multiple topics at once. It is generally best to just edit the previous post if you needed to add more information. Your reply will bump the topic first and be marked as unread to everyone anyway.
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sorry did not mean to do that, its just that i need that file to run Ndless
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So, by POC you mean they got it working on a nspire, but not in any truly usable form yet? Sounds like progress!
I wonder if there will be a standalone method of installing it! no pc, no calc, no nothing!
If this is for version 2.0, will it automatically update to 2.0 for me or will I have to update first?
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POC means they got it to work and are showing proof that they did. However there are still some stuff to change so the user can't brick his calc. I also heard the method to launch Ndless games is now different but I forgot how.
I think right now they are trying to get it to work on 1.7, 2.0 and 2.0.1. I am not sure if Ndless will update it for you, though.
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Well, that's even more progress than I thought!
I don't care much if the launch method is different since I'm not going to install NDless 1.1, for battery reasons I'll stick to 1.7
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I wonder if batteries would really last any longer in 1.7/2.0 during Ndless games execution, though, unless a game uses a very low CPU speed, because you have to remember that Ndless games will most likely be executed in machine code, meaning no TI-Nspire OSes routines will be active during gameplay, thus, even if the OS itself won't take much power, ASM programs might, anyway.
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Yeah, maybe the battery drain will still be there, but if they write the program for slow CPU speeds it shouldn't be a problem, right?
Maybe the DevkitPro libraries should have a "battery saving" and "High Power" library for its commands, so you can choose when developing.
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I think in Calc84maniac GBC4Nspire emu, the emu won't even need the entire CPU power. What I think is that when it runs in regular speed mode, he should make the calc clock at lower speed than 90 MHz, same in his 83+/84+ emu. It seemed to run so incredibly fast. CPU clock should be set much lower for less CPU intensive games IMHO, like 2D games such as RPGs
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Maybe it could have live CPU adjustments.....so that when low resources are used, low CPU power is used.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. I wonder if it can be dangerous to manipulate CPU speed in the middle of an ASM program, though x.x
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maybe, but not if the hardware can handle on-the-fly switching.
Idea! What if we made our programs manually set the CPU Speed? Like in RPGs, low Power for outdoor walking, shops, menus, etc. but high power for fancy effects in battle, title screen, etc.
How long does the nspire last in high power mode? Is it really that bad?
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. I wonder if it can be dangerous to manipulate CPU speed in the middle of an ASM program, though x.x
Since the CPU speed is handled by software, not hardware, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Ah, good! I rather like the idea of power-conscious asm applications.
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are there any news about any new versions of ndless that are compatible with a newer OS version, yet??
thx
pls excuse my creepy english...^^
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are there any news about any new versions of ndless that are compatible with a newer OS version, yet??
thx
pls excuse my creepy english...^^
Nothing... Ndless team has been silent for weeks, er... months now.
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mhh, too bad, but i still beliye theat these guys will do it!
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are there any news about any new versions of ndless that are compatible with a newer OS version, yet??
thx
pls excuse my creepy english...^^
Nothing... Ndless team has been silent for weeks, er... months now.
Last night I think, BrandonW mentionned something about the possibility that Ndless authors get in legal troubles if they released Ndless 2.0 in its current form. I did not understand all the details, but it seemed to imply that the new Ndless has an exploit that would allow non-CAS users to install a CAS OS on their machine. At the moment, they are most likely trying to figure out a way to prevent this, so they do not get problems with TI. The ability to install a CAS OS on a non-CAS model could make TI lose money because some people would get the non-CAS instead then jailbreak it, so TI would probably have a point there. As for BrandonW, he said he might try to get help from the EFF again to see if they couldn't make it easier for Ndless 2.0 to be released. However, if Ndless 2.0 authors (and BrandonW) wins, they still need to be very careful because there have often been rumors in the past about the possibility that TI drops out of the calc market. If TI felt that they won't make enough money anymore from calcs, they could simply stop producing calcs altogether, so the TI community would be, in some ways, commiting suicide.
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Oh, ouch. I hope TI keeps making calcs...
I hope Ndless 2.0 comes out soon. It'll be great when Asm can be ran on 2.0. :)
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And that would be very, very bad. We just need to stay out of TI's way unless they're obviously wrong, like they were with invoking the DMCA in the key-signing controversy. That might be difficult though, actually trying to prevent something from being able to be done. TI was never very successful at this. (Every graphing calc they have released w/o ASM has been hacked to run ASM, except the TI-80 and other ones that I don't know about and probably aren't as important)
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well, if they get in trouble with the non-cas to cas thing, why don`t the remove that feature until all legal issues are clear?? is it not working without that?
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It seems like the way Ndless 2.0 had to be done, it added this exploit by default and it appears that it would not only be very hard to prevent, but if prevented, nothing would stop people from hacking Ndless to re-enable that "feature".
I think that for the later, Ndless authors cannot be held responsible. It's like torrent programs. They were done to use torrents, not to pirate stuff. Their authors are not responsible if people use their software in a way they were not intended to be used for. Because of this, if Ndless was made so a CAS OS cannot be installed on a non-CAS model and TI tried to fight, the EFF could help the community win and it wouldn't be hard. But then, there is still the issue that TI might just give up on the calc market.
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Mhmm, I wonder...
Is TiLP fully compatible with TI-Nspire OS 1.1 and 2.0 yet? I wonder if it would be possible to downgrade a Nspire CAS Touchpad to 1.1 from TiLP? I worry about keypad compatibility issues, though, if it even works at all...
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The last time I tried, TILP worked fine with 1.1 but failed on 2.0.
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I think that for the later, Ndless authors cannot be held responsible. It's like torrent programs. They were done to use torrents, not to pirate stuff. Their authors are not responsible if people use their software in a way they were not intended to be used for. Because of this, if Ndless was made so a CAS OS cannot be installed on a non-CAS model and TI tried to fight, the EFF could help the community win and it wouldn't be hard. But then, there is still the issue that TI might just give up on the calc market.
Wow, some people working on their spare time and making a large firm to give up in a market is a strike of a life time. :o
I hope they discover a viable solution soon.
If there was a easy way to talk and negotiate with TI about allowing 3rd party assembly software in the Nspire would be the optimal solution. This way, both TI and the community won. TI protected their CAS calculators and probably their OS and we normally are happy by just running assembly programs. (until we get a good alternative language)
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Any news of Ndless 2.0, cause I cant get 1.0 to work on my calculator even with OS 1.1
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none yet. The last updates reported that Ndless 2.0 is working on 1.7 but has issues with OS 2.0 which needs to be fixed. That, combined with school finishing late June in France, as well as legal issues stated in earlier posts, might delay the release until at least when school will have ended
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I hope they get those legal issues out of the way. Hopefully they'll be able to release Ndless 2.0 soon. :)
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any news about ndless 2.0 yet??
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any news about ndless 2.0 yet??
There have not been any status updates on Ndless 2.0 for a while now :(
If Ndless 2 is ever released, I am predicting that we will find out about it for the first time just a few days before it is released, because the developers have to remain quiet on any exploits found so TI cannot patch them.
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I wish they could tell us things like how much time it should take to finish or something....
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From what extendeD said, he usually visit #omnimaga and #ti between releases of his stuff. They generally come pretty soon afterward. If he shows up again soon, let's hope it is Ndless 2.0 this time ;D
I think now the issue is that they no longer have enough time to work on it regulary. I hope it doesn't mean it is dead.
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Eh, if they stop working on it ,someone else will continue dev...
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Yeah, but my concern is who. They need to be careful to who they give the stuff to continue the project, in case it would fall under TI hands or someone with malicious intentions (to be honest, I wouldn't give anything to Kevin Kofler, for example, because he always wanted the entire source to be public, so he would most likely make everything public, then it would make it much easier for TI to patch holes)
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Yeah, Kevin Kolfer + project == dead project :(
I hope Ndless 2 appears at some time, especially since I'm getting a Touchpad CAS tomorrow. Hmmm...I should contact ExtendeD about alpha/beta testing and/or development.
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Kevin Kolfer + project= Dead project and flamed kk
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That said he progressed a lot on TIGCC a few years ago. I remember new updates would come out every week or so. It just stalled after 2006.
EDIT: On a more on-topic note, the TI-Nspire clickpad is no longer available on the Canadian Staples website. What does this means?
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That said he progressed a lot on TIGCC a few years ago. I remember new updates would come out every week or so. It just stalled after 2006.
EDIT: On a more on-topic note, the TI-Nspire clickpad is no longer available on the Canadian Staples website. What does this means?
Urp, TI is going to kill the clickpad line :(
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buy one for the museums.
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Haha! I have a clickpad, yay!
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Any news??? I've unfortunately been stuck with a plain old touchpad. I want ndless possibilities!!!
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Haha! I have a clickpad, yay!
So, do I, can I use ndless with a clickpad in TI NSpire (non-CAS)?
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Here is a clearer state of Touchpad compatibility:
Ndless 1.7 (http://ourl.ca/7106) as it is cannot be compatible with OS 2.x because of the use of the "hot reboot". The hot reboot restarts the OS at installation time to get back to a stable state. The hot reboot is currently also responsible of quite many stability issues on OS 1.7.
I have been working on modifications that get rid of the hot reboot. It works quite well on nspire_emu (with a random crash for some installations, which hopefully could be fixed), but crashes (http://ourl.ca/7106/124749)on real hardware.
As long as the hot reboot cannot be replaced, Ndless won't be compatible with OS 2.x, and Touchpad won't be supported. I'll soon post these modifications which work on emulator, hopefully someone will be able to have an idea on what's going wrong.
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Haha! I have a clickpad, yay!
So, do I, can I use ndless with a clickpad in TI NSpire (non-CAS)?
That depends- do you know how to get a copy of os 1.1?
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Here is a clearer state on Touchpad compatibility:
Ndless 1.7 (http://ourl.ca/7106) as it is cannot be compatible with OS 2.x because of the use of the "hot reboot". The hot reboot restarts the OS at installation time to get back to a stable state. The hot reboot is currently also responsible of quite many stability issues on OS 1.7.
I have been working on modifications that get rid of the hot reboot. It works quite well on nspire_emu (with a random crash for some installations, which hopefully could be fixed), but crashes (http://ourl.ca/7106/124749)on real hardware.
As long as the hot reboot cannot be replaced, Ndless won't be compatible with OS 2.x, and Touchpad won't be supported. I'll soon post these modifications which work on emulator, hopefully someone will be able to have an idea on what's going wrong.
Thanks for the update, ExtendeD
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Here is a clearer state on Touchpad compatibility:
Ndless 1.7 (http://ourl.ca/7106) as it is cannot be compatible with OS 2.x because of the use of the "hot reboot". The hot reboot restarts the OS at installation time to get back to a stable state. The hot reboot is currently also responsible of quite many stability issues on OS 1.7.
I have been working on modifications that get rid of the hot reboot. It works quite well on nspire_emu (with a random crash for some installations, which hopefully could be fixed), but crashes (http://ourl.ca/7106/124749)on real hardware.
As long as the hot reboot cannot be replaced, Ndless won't be compatible with OS 2.x, and Touchpad won't be supported. I'll soon post these modifications which work on emulator, hopefully someone will be able to have an idea on what's going wrong.
Yeah, working in PC Emulator ain't that good, but helps someone have an idea ;)
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Haha! I have a clickpad, yay!
So, do I, can I use ndless with a clickpad in TI NSpire (non-CAS)?
That depends- do you know how to get a copy of os 1.1?
OS 1.1 can't be installed, I have it you can't.
I can't send it to you cos it is ilegal.
Go to the chat and query someone to send it.
There is one website on the web that e-mails it to you, can't link since it's ilegal.
Good Luck, even with OS 1.1 file you can't. When you try to install it it prints out an error :S
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Haha! I have a clickpad, yay!
So, do I, can I use ndless with a clickpad in TI NSpire (non-CAS)?
That depends- do you know how to get a copy of os 1.1?
OS 1.1 can't be installed, I have it you can't.
I can't send it to you cos it is ilegal.
Go to the chat and query someone to send it.
There is one website on the web that e-mails it to you, can't link since it's ilegal.
Good Luck, even with OS 1.1 file you can't. When you try to install it it prints out an error :S
Are you saying that you can't install os 1.1?
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Holy double-posting batman!!!
As for OS 1.1 it can be installed if you own a clickpad keyboard and a non-CAS calculator.
I hope the Hot reboot thing can be worked around or a solution be found. Good luck to Ndless developers!