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Title: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Juju on July 25, 2012, 02:20:28 am
(http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13665.0;attach=12813;image)

After 2 weeks of judging and voting, the results are finally in! Let me show you the long-awaited results in table form.

Nspire category
NameJudgesVotesTotal
The Squares Do Not Die (cyanophycean314)266103369
LuaTowerDefence (Adriweb)255103358
Osmos (Nick)22055275
Siam (Loulou 54)23028258
pacman (lkj)21928237
snake_multi (linuxgeek96)1797186
300200500

z80 category
NameJudgesVotesTotal
Embers-Phoenix (squidgetx)16279241
Vortex (Builderboy)16074234
Rock Paper Scissors (ztrumpet)15120171
M.E.T.A. (yeongJIN_COOL)10725132
CYANOID (Stefan Bauwens)11615131
ZAMPO! (cooliojazz)10515120
200133333

We have our winners: cyanophycean314 and Adriweb respectively win the 1st and 2nd place prizes of a gift certificate of $100 and $30 (80€ and 25€) in the Nspire category while squidgetx and Builderboy win the corresponding prizes in the z80 category. The gift certificates are in an online store of your choice (provided it's secure), please contact Netham45 for claiming your prize.

Thanks to everyone who voted, ben_g, ElementCoder, jimbauwens, shmibs and yeongJIN_COOL for judging and the staff for the organisation.

And for those who didn't win, better luck next year! :)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on July 25, 2012, 03:32:18 am
Hooray to the winners!
Looks like Rock Paper Scissors really did have cool A.I! Well done , ZTrumpet, it was a fine game. :)
Well Done Cyanophycean314, Adriweb,Squidgetx and Builderboy for doing a great job(That counts for the rest of you too ;) )
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: SpiroH on July 25, 2012, 04:00:25 am
Congratulations to the winners! Well done gamers.
Shouldn't there be also a 68k category next time around?
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: TIfanx1999 on July 25, 2012, 04:06:01 am
Congrats to the winners indeed! I would like to see a 68k category next time, but the only concern with that is that there may not be enough entrants in the 68k category.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: leafy on July 25, 2012, 08:52:57 am
Congratulations squidgetx and Builderboy! That was a really close one at the end, and I have to say I consider both works of equal merit. Great work also to cyanophycean314 and Adriweb for their awesome submissions :) This year was really very competitive!
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Loulou 54 on July 25, 2012, 09:08:12 am
I thought there was a price for each category ?
http://ourl.ca/16262/303398

Anyway congratulations to the winners ! :)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: cyanophycean314 on July 25, 2012, 09:21:42 am
Great job to all of the competitors! It was a really close competition in both categories!
This was a great first contest experience for me. Thank you Omnimaga for making it happen.  :D

Quote from: Loulou 54 on July 25, 2012, 09:08:12 am
I thought there was a price for each category ?
http://ourl.ca/16262/303398
I too was under the impression that Nspire Ndless/Basic had their own category.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Yeong on July 25, 2012, 11:48:58 am
that's what I thought as well?
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Juju on July 25, 2012, 12:00:54 pm
Basic and C only got one entry each, so they got merged with the Lua category. Same with z80 Basic, in which nobody entered at all.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Adriweb on July 25, 2012, 12:06:12 pm
Yay !

Congratulations to all and especially the first ;)

(is Paypal good btw ?)
5even tho my 30$ will go directly for Tiplanet's hosting x) )
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 25, 2012, 12:12:26 pm
Congrats! Also lot of competition between entries in terms of judging, although in terms of voting it was a different story. As for categories that merged, I think they did because there were not enough entries for certain categories as Juju said.

Also Juju I thought z80 BASIC had one entry (Ztrumpet) and it was ASM that had none? ???
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Juju on July 25, 2012, 12:25:43 pm
Quote from: adriweb on July 25, 2012, 12:06:12 pm
(is Paypal good btw ?)
5even tho my 30$ will go directly for Tiplanet's hosting x) )
I knew you would do that lol (like Levak did last year) :P Netham uses Paypal too, so no worries about that.

Quote from: DJ_O on July 25, 2012, 12:12:26 pm
Also Juju I thought z80 BASIC had one entry (Ztrumpet) and it was ASM that had none? ???
I might be confused. Anyway we didn't wanted people to win by default in pretty much every category but Lua, so we merged the categories together. It was in our plans to merge them anyway if there's not enough people.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 25, 2012, 12:29:29 pm
Yeah I guessed so. Also that might save money for possible future contests this fall or winter maybe? Computer contest would be nice (game maybe?) for example. I think 68K would have poor entry turnout, though, due to how almost nobody code for 68K calcs anymore.

68K POTY entries by year:
2003: 17
2004: 47
2005: 24
2006: 5
2007: 3
2008: 2
2009: 4
2010: 10 (3 of which were programs from 2005 and 2007)
2011: 2
2012: 0 (so far)

If we compare with Z80 you'll notice where programming popularity seems to be:
2003: 8
2004: 20
2005: 7
2006: 8
2007: 5
2008: 0
2009: 7
2010: 18 (5 of which were releases from 2004, 2005 and 2007)
2011: 8
2012: 10 (3 of which were releases from 2000, 2005 and 2009)

And Nspire, just for fun (although ticalc rarely ever featured Lua programs, so it's a bit off):
2007: 0
2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 6
2011: 7
2012: 1


I think we might as well consider 68K dead with no hope of ever recovering. It's pretty much like if we decided to organize a TI-86 contest.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: blue_bear_94 on July 25, 2012, 12:34:10 pm
If we have too few entrants in the 68k category we can always merge or cancel the category.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 25, 2012, 12:53:45 pm
I think the thing that could be done next year is maybe have every category merged in advance. I think the current contest was limited to 5 categories, so the staff could afford to pay contest prizes, so no computer and 68K category could be made, but now that they merged and that PRIZM got no entry, that left a lot of money for extra categories to start up.

What there could be is a poll asking if people would participate to a 68K and 9860G contest, for example.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Juju on July 25, 2012, 01:00:01 pm
Actually, the computer programming contest was scheduled to be a different contest because, well, we wanted to leave this one only for calc programming. And yeah, we ought to poll people to see who would participate in an eventual 68k contest.

Also coming soon: a TI-86 contest!
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Nick on July 25, 2012, 01:29:57 pm
really congratz to the winners, i'm glad i still got third, even with the bugs xp

i'm glad the results finally arrived :) and i think it is correct that adriweb and cyanophycean314 won, seeing the huge gap between 2nd and 3rd..
so really congratz, also to the z80 part (but i'm not really into that anymore)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Sorunome on July 25, 2012, 02:12:59 pm
Congrats all winners!

EDIT: And i'd like a computer contest :)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Yeong on July 25, 2012, 02:38:57 pm
yay I have TI-86 :D
Now I just have to learn how to program with it <_<
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on July 25, 2012, 03:23:56 pm
Quote from: Juju on July 25, 2012, 01:00:01 pm
Actually, the computer programming contest was scheduled to be a different contest because, well, we wanted to leave this one only for calc programming. And yeah, we ought to poll people to see who would participate in an eventual 68k contest.

Also coming soon: a TI-86 contest!
I would enter I think, although you never know what could happen. Perhaps I'm busy, die or get banned in the meantime. :P
An other idea I had in mind was one contest where anybody could enter in which category he wished(maybe excluding computer). Something like Cemetech did last year if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: Also, DJ, I refuse to let 68k be considered dead. :P I'll try to save it.
Actually I believe that 68k might be still a bit active in french websites, although I'm not sure at all.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Jim Bauwens on July 25, 2012, 03:26:37 pm
Congratulations to all, there where some fine entries :)
Regarding the votes of the other judges, are there any plans to open up the details on how they voted ?
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: blue_bear_94 on July 25, 2012, 04:12:21 pm
I refuse to let 68k die as well. I'll enter if there's one.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Loulou 54 on July 25, 2012, 04:20:29 pm
Quote from: Stefan Bauwens on July 25, 2012, 03:23:56 pm
Quote from: Juju on July 25, 2012, 01:00:01 pm
Actually, the computer programming contest was scheduled to be a different contest because, well, we wanted to leave this one only for calc programming. And yeah, we ought to poll people to see who would participate in an eventual 68k contest.

Also coming soon: a TI-86 contest!
I would enter I think, although you never know what could happen. Perhaps I'm busy, die or get banned in the meantime. :P
An other idea I had in mind was one contest where anybody could enter in which category he wished(maybe excluding computer). Something like Cemetech did last year if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: Alos, DJ, I refuse to let 68k be considered dead. :P I'll try to save it.
Actually I believe that 68k might be still a bit active in french websites, although I'm not sure at all.
+1

In France, (at least in my classes) there were as many 68k as z80. I had even never seen a Nspire among my friends untill the last year !

68k are still very used, I'm almost sure that there are still more 68k users than Nspires in France. But unfortunately few people seem to be interested in programming it, I mean making project and enter the community.
Nspires are more recent and anyone who gets a CX wants immediately to see what he can do with it.. I'm sure that was the same at the beginning of the 68k calculators. (bad english, isn't it ? x) )

If there were a 68k section I might participate obviously. (even if I can't be sure, besides this year will probably be very busy.. :/ (2nd year of "prépa".. --' ) )
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: TIfanx1999 on July 25, 2012, 05:54:32 pm
@Yeong: TI-86 programming (BAISC or ASM) isn't much different from the 83+/84+ Series.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Juju on July 25, 2012, 06:19:56 pm
So I guess we will have at least 3 entrants for an eventual 68k contest, that might be enough for a small one.

So stay tuned for the 68k and computer programming contest, maybe also a music one, that would be pretty nice if we would have more small contests thoughout the year, not as big as this one though.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 25, 2012, 06:55:07 pm
I think the reasons why 68K died were the following:

1) One person we will not name pretty much killed the 68K community by driving every veteran and newer programmers away with his constant flame wars and attacks towards people's hard work (generally aimed at programs in which he was not involved, from competing sites or written in BASIC). Not much was done against that, and because it was so extreme, that one person alone was nearly enough to bring down the entire 68K community, and it never really recovered because of point #2 and #3.

2) The arrival of the TI-Nspire CAS: After the Nspire series arrived, TI kinda pushed 68K calcs behind, moving all the attention towards Nspire calcs. Because of this, even when the 68K community cooled down after the above ended for a while, there were no new 68K coders joining. Today, with the lack of 68K programmers on forums, it's hard to convince a calc programmer to get a 68K now when he knows only two or three people in the world might play their game, when that game would be played by hundreds on the 83+ or the TI-Nspire.

3) CAS not being allowed in most USA tests: This severely limits the marketability of 68K calcs in North America, as they all includes a CAS. Most people who want an high-end calc that can still be used in exams now get a TI-Nspire. Also, the 68K prices are kinda prohibitive.


Also yeah music would be nice Juju. I kinda forgot about that, but now that TIMGUL URLs redirect to Omni music section and that we already had a music section to begin with, it would probably make some sense to have one.

New contests, due to being at unusual Omnimaga times (Fall?), would probably need a mass-email like the old newsletters, though, especially music. There could be bonus points for MTVMG1/2/3/DHF/M1/2000/3000 users maybe?

OFF-TOPIC: By the way, those who need programming help, the C and ASM sections can also be used for that and of course there is the projects and ideas section :)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: shmibs on July 25, 2012, 09:34:19 pm
/me thinks that, before the the next contest, we should have a poll to see who would take part in what, and if at least 5 people say they would (in case 2 drop out), have that category be included.

also, here are my comments from judging things for z80:

CYANOID:
   the difficuluty of getting this to function, plus the fact that it crashed upon exiting and erased itself, were
   the biggest annoyances. having to be exactly aligned with a gap in order to walk through it also didn't help.
   i liked the graphics, though, particularly the character's death, and the idea wasn't too bad.

Embers-Phoenix:
   this game was easily my favourite, there were a few annoying things that weren't ironed out before the demo
   was sent in, like the menu being very difficult to work with, the character walking through walls when moving
   diagonally, and some of the enemies seeming to move away more often than not, but it still managed to draw
   me in very well with a complete storyline/graphical experience.

META:
   this game wasn't bad. the gameplay/physics seemed a bit bland, but there wasn't anything "wrong" with it, and
   bugs and the like seemed to be mostly taken care of. gameplay was very organic, and the form swapping added
   a nice touch.

RPS:
   despite being Rock Paper Scissors, i thoroughly enjoyed z's game =). the graphics, numerous achievements, and
   seemingly unpredictable AI were all brilliant.

Vortex:
   this game would have had my top vote were we judging strictly on Artificial Intelligence. the enemy was
   challenging, and the level generation was smart. it was somewhat confusing to begin with, however, and the
   gameplay wasn't very exciting.

ZAMPO:
   this game has a great plot and some wonderful gameplay ideas, but in its current unfinished and undocumented
   state isn't very playable. i'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out, though =)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Juju on July 25, 2012, 09:40:40 pm
Hey, good idea shmibs.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 25, 2012, 10:35:12 pm
Yeah it would be nice to see some reviews from the staff.

That reminds me, I have yet to add the 2011 results to the articles section... <_< (I was supposed to make pics of the polls and stuff)
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: parserp on July 25, 2012, 11:55:36 pm
Congrats to all the winners!
Quote from: shmibs on July 25, 2012, 09:34:19 pm
/me thinks that, before the the next contest, we should have a poll to see who would take part in what, and if at least 5 people say they would (in case 2 drop out), have that category be included.
That is a good idea :D
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on July 26, 2012, 03:42:06 am
I'm agree that the 68k section is pretty much dead DJ, but I was just saying I'll try to save it. As long as I don't stop making programs for it, it won't be officially dead. ;)
Although I doubt there is a big chance of recovering. But maybe, since Loulou 54 confirmed what I though.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: ztrumpet on July 26, 2012, 10:19:43 am
Congrats, cyanophycean314, Adriweb, squidgetx, and Builderboy!  From what I played/saw they were all great games and worthy of victory.
Title: Re: Omnimaga Programming Contest 2012: The Results
Post by: apcalc on July 27, 2012, 07:12:45 am
Congrats to all of the winners!  You all deserve it! :)