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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on May 14, 2011, 02:58:20 pm
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It seems that TI has put OS 3.0.1 back online. However there are still no news about OS 3.0.2. The link to OS 3.0.1 was recently spotted (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1093) by Critor.
OS 3.0.1 contains a new Boot2 image that can permanently brick your TI-Nspire calculator and an anti-downgrade protection. To get rid of those problems after installing the OS, you needed special hardware. To prevent this from happening you needed to use TNOC (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=archives&ac=voir&id=1922) to remove the Boot2 image from the OS file, before installing the tno/tnc on your machine.
If, for any reasons, you need OS 3.0.1, such as to run Lua games, you can download it in this topic (http://ourl.ca/7373). Older OSes like OS 1.7, 2.0.1 and 2.1 are also linked there (hosted on TI server).
We do hope that 3.0.1 doesn't become available again from their front page until they fixed errors in it. In any case, do NOT forget TNOC, before installing the OS!
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Hum, so they haven't fixed any bugs? This is not so good :(
I just hope nobody tries to install it with TNOC.
Thanks for reminding DJ.
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I just hope nobody tries to install it with TNOC.
Without TNOC, you mean?
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Erm, any chance this is a new version that fixes the bugs, but TI forgot to update the version number? Seems like a really bad idea to put it online again.
Should point out that you probably shouldn't test though, unless you know how to unbrick Nspires (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1038) (using extra hardware).
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Erm, any chance this is a new version that fixes the bugs, but TI forgot to update the version number? Seems like a really bad idea to put it online again.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did that... I mean, they're probably thinking that the old 3.0.1 is completely gone from existence now that it isn't on their website, or maybe they want to hide the fact that a glitchy OS existed...
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Can someone compare the two with an ips file (don't distribute it, of course)? I really hope they did not re-release the file; that would be beyond stupid.
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It's been there for like 2 weeks now
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Can someone compare the two with an ips file (don't distribute it, of course)? I really hope they did not re-release the file; that would be beyond stupid.
I thought IPS was only for rom's? :o
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It's been there for like 2 weeks now
Not really, it was only discovered a few days ago. The file location has been moved, because old links no longer worked in the OS thread.
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hmm then what did I saw 2 weeks ago? XP
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OS 3.0.1 was released 2 weeks ago, then it was removed from TI website after they discovered the bug. The link to the OS would now give a 404 not found.
Please don't try to prove people wrong when they are right and have proof that they are.
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Has anyone checked to see if this is the same file?
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oh boy, let us hope ti does not blame tnoc and ndless for destroying the calc when someone has their calc bricked.... :/
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TI might make it so that TNOC bricks the calc just to get at us.
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Can someone compare the two with an ips file (don't distribute it, of course)? I really hope they did not re-release the file; that would be beyond stupid.
well, ti has been pretty stupid so far, so I would not be surprised if that happened :/
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they migth do it intentionally
*ruler501 slaps himself for starting conspiracy theories
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oh boy, let us hope ti does not blame tnoc and ndless for destroying the calc when someone has their calc bricked.... :/
They already did before, except afterward they finally realized it was their fault.
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This is quite strange. As others have asked, I too am curious as to if they implemented bug fixes or not. If so, why didn't they update the version number?
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They wouldn't update the version number because they want to erase the trace of their mistake bu overwriting it
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I think if they applied bug fixes but failed to update the version number it would just be an oversight on their part. They have fixed issues in the past and updated the version number (if i remember correctly). Although I suppose what you suggest is a possibility, it would be rather silly of them. My biggest concern is that they just put the faulty OS back up. D:
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These files are identical to the ones downloaded ~5 weeks ago.
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Aw crap. What are they doing? ???
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These files are identical to the ones downloaded ~5 weeks ago.
So they are the same? This was my fear. I can't imagine what they are thinking. Boot 2 is still identical as well?
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I did file-level comparison on the TNO/TNC files, and `diff -q` didn't produce any output, while it would if the files had been different.
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So it's exactly the same file ... what the heck.
Maybe they decided it wasn't their fault after all? :P
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Well, they can have put back those files of the faulty OS 3.0.1 so that documents which were already locked on OS 3.0 level can be used on machines not upgraded yet.
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Maybe it was accidentally put back up. I doubt TI would risk a lawsuit by putting it up again
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Anyway, people aren't going to download it if they don't link to it. Your average student/teacher doesn't try to guess URLs for a OS that nobody wants :P
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Maybe they put the "old"(unchanged version) back up, so people will start downloading it again. Then when nobody's is expecting something and are downloading it constantly, they make a little update without announcing it...
TI is capable of doing that.
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I quite frankly believ TI is capable of almost anything exept making a good OS
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Anyway, people aren't going to download it if they don't link to it. Your average student/teacher doesn't try to guess URLs for a OS that nobody wants :P
The average student or teacher has no clue, they just buy a calc and use it. Even the people at the tinspire google groups believe everything that ti says and they blindly defend everything that ti does and the moderator won't allow any discussion that could fix that ignorance.
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So many people at my school are still stuck on OS 1.xx for their TI-83 plus. I don't think this will affect those who don't know about the dangers of 3.0.1.
Can someone compare the two with an ips file (don't distribute it, of course)? I really hope they did not re-release the file; that would be beyond stupid.
I thought IPS was only for rom's? :o
An IPS file is basically a list of differences between one file and another. It is usually used to distribute modifications in roms. It can be used to compare anything.
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Anyway, people aren't going to download it if they don't link to it. Your average student/teacher doesn't try to guess URLs for a OS that nobody wants :P
The average student or teacher has no clue, they just buy a calc and use it. Even the people at the tinspire google groups believe everything that ti says and they blindly defend everything that ti does and the moderator won't allow any discussion that could fix that ignorance.
Do they also delete posts denouncing TI behavior or the group behavior? I think I remember on Univers-TI-Nspire official TI-Nspire board some posts from Critor/Mic defending the TI community would be deleted. The same thing happened on Facebook, and TI-France even got Critor's FB account taken down once.
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Google groups is an e-maii/forum gateway. Even if they deleted posts that stray from TI's official line on the forum side (which they don't), they couldn't remove them from the subscribers' inboxes :)
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I've seen that one of the moderators on there has attempted to stop a discussion about flaws of how trig functions were accessed in 3.0, so they're trying to censor the discussions there somewhat, but they're not explicitly deleting anything. They probably don't have to do as much there since it's supposed to be teacher-only.
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Oh right, I forgot about inboxes. Kinda like forum posts here if we decided to delete them, but still different since most people got subscriptions disabled here.
But yeah it seems like they try to hide some bad stuff TI did, to make them look good. Plus it sucks they censor it because some teachers would like to be informed if the calcs their students use contain bugs.
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But yeah it seems like they try to hide some bad stuff TI did, to make them look good. Plus it sucks they censor it because some teachers would like to be informed if the calcs their students use contain bugs.
yeh, like here: http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire/browse_thread/thread/239ac185698d3da4
TI still posts the message that they will have an update available for the 3.0 os before mid May and the nspire google group blindly spews the same thing even though we are past mid-may. Then if someone there takes issue with that Rex the moderator will step in and stop the discussion. That kind of censorship kills any possiblility of those people will ever start living in the real world.
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Precisely, "Or we wait until 'mid-May' for os3.1 sigh." is probably not a blind spewing - at least, I didn't interpret it that way ;)
And Rex did not come into every discussion that strayed from the official line of thinking :)
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And Rex did not come into every discussion that strayed from the official line of thinking :)
True. I've been reading that site since it came up years ago and amazingly your posts there were not stopped.
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OS 3.0.2 will be released in the next few days!
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1104
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Nice! I hope it doesn't get delayed again and is stable!
@Dingus I think they just grew some hate against the community over the last few years, so now anything that agree with the developer community is censored. The thing, though, is that TI shouldn't go too far, because look what hackers did to Sony in response to their many stunts including taking someone into court for modding his PS3. I'm pretty sure if TI went too far, the exact same thing, although to a lesser extent, given the much smaller community size compared to PS3 gamers, could happen to TI.
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3.0.2 IS released!
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Wait where? Any proof for it? If I go to the OS updates page at http://education.ti.com/calculators/products/US/os-update/ , it still says the notice about OS 3.0 having been removed and not available for a while. ???
EDIT: Nevemind, on TI-BANK it said it would be out in a week or so and I didn,t see your topic.
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Good news. Hope it works this time.
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But it blocks third-party Lua programs, according to Goplat here and shrear on TI-Bank.