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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2013, 11:11:24 am »
Look here, those who think TI is evil...
This happens with every device where there is a dedicated hacking community. The only time there is a community like ours surrounding a device is when it is in need of hackage and therefore requires an exploit t abuse the device. It takes some experience and the interest of multiple people to do this, generally.
If TI didn't believe in doing this stuff, they wouldn't. It costs money and resources to secure a device. The only devices people really get interested in are those that requrie hacking to use in ways they aren't designed for. People only want what they can't have. Otherwise, we'd all use a Raspberry Pi computer.
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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2013, 11:17:11 am »
why ti, WHY
This sucks, but i hope we'll still somehow be able to re-write it, maybe they accedently opened a hole somewhere with all the additional protection......

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2013, 11:28:07 am »
Their policy about exam acceptance is just stupid. Isn't exam mode already there for this reason ? They could even make it so that it disables CAS temporarily. Then everyone could benefit of their own stuff and not be worried about cheating.

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2013, 11:51:35 am »
The PTT mode is nothing but a half-measure. Since 2010, it shouldn't be deemed sufficient anymore by any competent standardized testing regulation authority.
If it is really important that students do not use an OS with a CAS (instead of making exams less silly and less disconnected from real-world usage...), then the only proper solution, as far as the Nspire series is concerned, is to reformat the entire NAND Flash memory, and reflash the calculator with a special OS version tailored to the exam's restrictions, right from the exam room. This removes the need for a PTT mode altogether.

Of course, proper solutions cost money, and the current half-measures are cheaper, but hey... that's where the silliness of the whole standardized testing system restrictions (which, sadly, remains the norm in many important countries), combined to the insanity of TI EdTech's management (who keep pushing in the wrong direction, despite the prospect of huge financial losses), leads.
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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2013, 11:54:03 am »
my teachers at school don't even know that PTT exist (we have ti 84+'s)

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2013, 11:56:38 am »
BTW, 3.2.4 is quite "nothing" for an update.

The actual real next step is this september's 3.6 OS. (And still, from what I've seen some things change and some don't.... So don't expect too much in minor versions.)
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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2013, 12:55:25 pm »
my teachers at school don't even know that PTT exist (we have ti 84+'s)
Same in France.

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2013, 01:05:45 pm »
That's stupid. TI knew people would try to erase their OS, the function is there and is easily accessible, and they knew by setting the minimal OS version to one more recent than the latest on the website people would effectively brick their calc. I'm pretty sure they know that, there's a brick button easily accessible people would accidently click on, at a few days of the exams. But why?

I thought about hacking the version number on an earlier OS update, but I think it would reject it because of the signature and all.

And I'm pretty sure nobody knows what is PTT in Canada.
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Re: Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2013, 01:43:36 pm »
To be honest, I'm not surprised that they do that, since they did that for 3 years now. What I find sad, though, is that they seemed to have slacked down with such move and we have been able to downgrade to an Ndless-able OS for a long while already. Maybe it's the threat of people cheating in exams by trying to install a CAS OS on a non-CAS model?

Also if they still do that with the Nspire, then why is the newer 84+CSE fully open to hacking and the possibility of a third-party CAS? We would have thought that with the CSE having built-in ASM support that they had changed their views a bit about ASM on the Nspire too.

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2013, 01:47:00 pm »
Well, to be honest, the 83+/84+ series has had the possibility of a third-party CAS for a long time and it hasn't been done yet, so they probably aren't too worried.

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2013, 01:54:43 pm »
Maybe because basically every attempt to make a CAS for the z80 fell through. :P
Also the nspire seems to be their flagship, so they're going to "protect" it or something ti-worthy like that?

Imo this isn't exactly surprising, but disappointing nonetheless.
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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2013, 03:01:47 pm »
Actually, probably they intend the Nspire series for those who needs security and anti-cheating features and also advanced features like a CAS while the TI-83+ series is for those who don't care about that and only needs something simple.

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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2013, 05:53:50 pm »
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Except the fact that this anti-downgrade protection "surprised" us by coming on a "rare" 3.2.4 and not on 3.6 as expected, granted.

I think that what hapened with portuguese exams made emergency to block nlaunch. The OS 3.6 is not ready yet, so, it's a fast reaction step.
i think that they'll force us to install that oS to the exam -.- i am praying for that doesn't happen because i'll do that exam at 25/06...
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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2013, 06:02:57 pm »
my teachers at school don't even know that PTT exist (we have ti 84+'s)
on my school(Portugal) is the same... but the most part of us uses ti-nspires...
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Re: OS 3.2.4.1237 attacks nLaunch, Linux and Ndless!!
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2013, 07:48:21 pm »
I guess that for United States students who don't need a CAS, I would recommend you to get the TI-84+CSE or Casio PRIZM instead of the TI-Nspire CX if you absolutely want a color calc. Both are slower, but cheaper, and they do the job well in math.

Otherwise, just wait for the HP Prime or perhaps the ClassPad 400.

The Nspire CX already got discontinued in parts of Canada, such as where I live, as Staples has stopped selling them completely. It shows that the demand for such calc was just not here. Perhaps students heard about how locked down it is from older school friends, too?

EDIT: Try to do this in Nspire BASIC (minus the 160x240 resolution thing):



Granted, the Nspire has Lua, which is even faster than that, but many calc programmers like how easy BASIC is and built-in support  for on-calc programming, plus with Z80 BASIC you don't have to worry about your programs not running in previous or newer OS versions as much as with Nspire lua.
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