Omnimaga
Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: Geekboy1011 on March 02, 2014, 10:03:27 pm
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We released an update! Please read below!
UPDATE (3/5 @ 3:40 PM):
Hey guys! This is alberthrocks, your friendly invisible CoT! A couple things to clarify:
- This is technically Omnimaga v2.0, big upgrade. No kidding, we did a super big upgrade, which is no small feat!
- That said, the upgrade is a WIP. Call it Omnimaga v2.0 SUPER ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA. Consider the website in alpha right now, with tons of bugs and problems at the moment. We're actively working to fix all of them, but for now, we ask that you bear with us during the upgrade. To repeat, the upgrade is not complete yet!
- The old theme WILL be back - we've planned this from the start. This is just a temporary theme that we'll continue to tweak to make better until upgrades are complete. Once done, we'll begin working on porting the older theme to v2.0, and bring it back eventually. You'll have the option to pick the current new theme or the old theme once the upgrade is done.
- We upgraded to protect you from hacking! The reason why we are upgrading this fast is because we were running on an older, unsupported version of SMF. For you guys, that means spambots, super prone to hacking attempts, etc. (Some bots even managed to start going through accounts and steal personal info, like your email!) We upgraded to stop that from happening, as we believe that's really important to protect!
- Help us help you! Please report issues using this form (http://ourl.ca/issue), not here! We want to make this upgrade a success, so please report issues there! Reporting it on that form helps us more than posting about it here!
- Finally, please stay put as we work through this - don't harass/complain/etc. until we announce that we're done! We know there are issues, so please use this form (http://ourl.ca/issue) to report it! We're working around the clock to fix it, and we'd appreciate if you tell us about the problem! Once we get out of alpha, we'll open up for changes and such. For now, to keep our admins sane, please use the form to tell us about issues and hold tight till its done!
Thanks for reading!
-alberthrocks
As many of you know we have been painstakingly working on upgrading smf and we are finally ready to move. You all should have received this mail
Hi everybody!
So as some of you might know, Omnimaga has long been waiting on an upgrade to SMF2. This upgrade has been in the works for a while and very shortly, the site will be migrated over to SMF2 for everybody to use. This means that there will be a lot of changes, some of which you might not be happy about. There will be a lot of new features, but there will also be some features that either go away for good, or are temporarily gone until we implement them all. For a list of what we know will be broken look here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeBItJBoBIix_ErZa7wg1UInyLSAVWZ5XRwR3AjC8_Q/pub (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeBItJBoBIix_ErZa7wg1UInyLSAVWZ5XRwR3AjC8_Q/pub)
Omnimaga has had a downloads section for a long time, but with the upgrade to SMF2 the mod we are using for it will no longer work. The downloads section isn't going completely away though, it will remain in the read only form that was recently introduced on http://www.omnimaga.org/files/ (http://www.omnimaga.org/files/). If you want to update files you have in the downloads section after the upgrade, please email the admins with a request.
The old themes will temporarily be unavailable for use and everybody will be stuck with a new theme that is still in the works, but is usable. This new theme will eventually be flushed out better, and the old themes will be ported to the new version of SMF. The current theme is a Work in progress
During the transition to SMF2, the forum will be disabled for a period of up to an hour. When this happens, keep an eye on IRC or our facebook (https://www.facebook.com/omnimaga) or twitter (https://twitter.com/omnimaga) accounts for updates on the situation.
On behalf of the Omnimaga admins,
Nathaniel "Eeems" van Diepen
The down time will start soon and the site will be on maintenance till it is done. The changes will be different but it will be worth it.
EDIT:
New site is live welcome to SMF 2!!!! Hope you all like what is to come changes and all!
Regards,
The Omnimaga team
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The upgrade is now done! Have fun with playing with SMF2 everybody :)
Remember to report any issues/bugs you may find to http://ourl.ca/issue (http://ourl.ca/issue). There is a menu option for this under "help".
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Woo, new forum! I guess it's gonna take a while to get used to it...
EDIT: Yep, kind of nice the upgrade happened for the 10th anniversary of the original yAronet forums (March 3rd, 2004) xD
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This is gonna take some getting used to. I feel lost at the moment. :P I'm sure it'll be fine after a while though. :D Also, I'm glad we made the upgrade. It was overdue. :D
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At first I wasn't too fond of this new theme because I felt it looked too simple and the lack of any calc element in it (such as faded calc screenshots besides the logo or actual calcs) made it not Omni enough, but now that the entire site and OmnomIRC was brought into it, it seems to look better and I am getting used to it. The simpler theme will actually help people browse the site from slow mobile devices or internet connections. Hopefully it doesn't make Omni look overly serious to younger members, though. :P
As mentionned in the requests form, it would be nice if the Quick Reply box was once again enabled by default, though, and if posting a reply still redirected to the actual topic instead of topic listing.
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I'll look into getting quick reply enabled by default.
EDIT: You'll have to go re-enable it in your settings to get it to work.
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Woo, I wondered when you guys were going to finish this (ever since we found the secret test environment) :P
Quick question though, is the karma system reset or is it possible to recover the karma values from the old version?
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The old one was a mod. If I had to guess, I'd say they aren't readily compatible. Not sure though.
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Maybe not quickly compatible, but we could do X+/Y- where X is the number of +1s you received and Y the number of -1s you received. That should be possible because the link in my sig used to show a list of all +1s and -1s you received.
Somethings that bugs me, there is no "New Posts" button, or it is well hidden. I don't mean something that shows unread posts, but something that shows recent posts (and not reent posts among unread ones, I want recent posts among all posts).
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yay, the updgrade is up :D
Also: AJAX quick reply
Also: fixed the smileys, it was only a matter of checking the correct box, lol ::)
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First impression thoughts/queries:
1. New Posts: there should be a quick button, i agree with Hayleia.
2. Attachments: where are the post's attachments? Do the old links still function?
3. Users reading the post: not available?
4. Tutorial: people used to the old theme, will feel a bit lost, at first. Please write a short how-to, when possible.
I think i can understand the huge amount of work going on behind the scenes and probably it's just a matter of time for people to get used to the new theme looks and functionality.
Thanks for the hard work. :)
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The "New Posts" is still (kind of)there, it's just not a button at the moment. On the forum drop down menu at the top go down to "Unread" and click on it. This will show you all posts you haven't read, starting with the most recent. We should still have all atachments, but I don't think they've been moved yet. Bear with us for a bit. :)
In case you guys missed it:
Old Post Links - Will be fixed Table update script just not made yet(id’s have changed)
Downloads section will be read only
Recent posts page - Needs to be polished but is there in a rather sad state
Rules will only be available in english until we can get them re-translated into all the languages they use to be available in.
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The "New Posts" is still (kind of)there, it's just not a button at the moment. On the forum drop down menu at the top go down to "Unread" and click on it. This will show you all posts you haven't read, starting with the most recent.
The thing I was complaining about was the "unread" part. As stated in my previous post, I would like to see all recent posts, not only unread posts among recent ones.
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First impression thoughts/queries:
1. New Posts: there should be a quick button, i agree with Hayleia.
2. Attachments: where are the post's attachments? Do the old links still function?
3. Users reading the post: not available?
4. Tutorial: people used to the old theme, will feel a bit lost, at first. Please write a short how-to, when possible.
I think i can understand the huge amount of work going on behind the scenes and probably it's just a matter of time for people to get used to the new theme looks and functionality.
Thanks for the hard work. :)
Regarding #2, it looked like there was some issue last night with attachments not being assigned to the correct posts. I assume this means their links won't be the same anymore when fixed, which leads back to the whole post ID offset issue (and regarding those, I totally agree with the early posts in http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13986&p=158328#p158328 , especially that the change and its many inconveniences was forced upon TI community users). This is why I hope that the first line in http://www.omnimaga.org/news/smf-upgrade-the-dawn-of-a-new-era/msg377934/#msg377934 implies that this situation will soon be resolved (at least for the topics made after March 2010 or so, which, I believe, had IDs around 3000, IIRC) Maybe if enough people and not just people from other sites pester the staff about post IDs they will finally change their mind. The good thing, though, is that new links will continue working even if IDs are redirected, because of the new PrettyURL feature.
About #3 I noticed that earlier. I hope it's enabled again in the theme or settings, same for Online users list being 30 minutes instead of 15, so it's easier to know who was online when not paying attention.
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E-Mail? I didn't get an E-Mail..
Anyhow, the new theme is like gnome3, looks good but is unusuable.
Usability should be the first goal of any design, not the look.
1. Borders: Left and right, black. Why? If I zoom out they stay the same size.
2. Size + Spacing: On my 1366*768 laptop screen I can barely read the title of the first post without scrolling and at the bottom I can't even see the last post.
3. Where are the new posts listed? I want a short overview what happend while I was away and not a huge list with the posts themselves.
4. Bad post layout: No newline for text after images, look at the news section
I hope I'm the only one who thinks the current theme is total crap compared to the old one.
I'm looking forward to be able to use the old ones again.
And a smaller issue (I'll report on ourl.ca/issue):
OmnomIRC isn't visible on the quick-reply preview page.
Sorry if I under-appreciate your work, I know how hard it is to satisfy everone, especially with a new design...
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The "New Posts" is still (kind of)there, it's just not a button at the moment. On the forum drop down menu at the top go down to "Unread" and click on it. This will show you all posts you haven't read, starting with the most recent.
The thing I was complaining about was the "unread" part. As stated in my previous post, I would like to see all recent posts, not only unread posts among recent ones.
http://omnimaga.org/recentE-Mail? I didn't get an E-Mail..
It seems that nobody did. Google must have blocked it or something when we sent it.
Usability should be the first goal of any design, not the look.
Anyhow, the new theme is like gnome3, looks good but is unusuable.
You made this post didn't you? Seems usable enough to me. May I mention again that this theme is still a WIP and nowhere near done?
1. Borders: Left and right, black. Why? If I zoom out they stay the same size.
Why would you zoom out ever?
2. Size + Spacing: On my 1366*768 laptop screen I can barely read the title of the first post without scrolling and at the bottom I can't even see the last post.
Raise your issue with SMF. There isn't much changed with the sizing compared to the default curve theme.
3. Where are the new posts listed? I want a short overview what happend while I was away and not a huge list with the posts themselves.
Read the rest of the thread please... This has been answered so many times.
4. Bad post layout: No newline for text after images, look at the news section
That is a bug with the news section only. If you look at the actual thread you'll see it's not an issue. Please report all bugs with http://ourl.ca/issue instead of posting them here. I will not sort through the threads just to find issues with the new site when I have already provided you with a tool to report them.
I hope I'm the only one who thinks the current theme is total crap compared to the old one.
I'm looking forward to be able to use the old ones again.
Yeah thanks for that. I spent a good couple days working on this. Really appreciate you shitting on my work especially knowing it's still a WIP.
And a smaller issue (I'll report on ourl.ca/issue):
OmnomIRC isn't visible on the quick-reply preview page.
Sorry if I under-appreciate your work, I know how hard it is to satisfy everone, especially with a new design...
That is not an issue, that is a request. Please log it with http://ourl.ca/request
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@voginator theme will be fixed soon we went live with this because the security holes in smf1 were starting to be an issue so we decided to go with something simple but workable to protect your information and the website as a whole.
@spiroh a tutorial / something will be made time obliging
http://www.omnimaga.org/unread/
Post and replies right below your avatar for both will also be made more prominent as the theme is updated. Post layout is also theme related.
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I believe I fixed push notifications.
EDIT: Seems to be working! :D
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Funny, somehow I didn't receive any email regarding the upgrade either.
Another minor thing that would be nice would be to make the Quick Edit icon more obvious. I really appreciated it when DJ_O did it on the old forum.
Speaking of which, I was going to link to http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=4589.0 (where we discussed the button) but for some reason it's erroring—did we lose any posts? D:
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I didn't get an email either. However, I did notice that some links aren't going to their correct places. An example of this is the 'TI-Boy Emulation reaches CSE calculators' news.
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We realize some things are broken. If you find issues, go to the "help" tab at the top of the page. Choose Report Issue/bug, and go from there. :) Feature Requests are also located under help with the option "Change Request".
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I would again like to remind people to review this document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeBItJBoBIix_ErZa7wg1UInyLSAVWZ5XRwR3AjC8_Q/edit?usp=sharing
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Slowly getting used to the new theme and I must say, Eeems' KISS puristicy (wut) seems to pay off, it looks nice. Only the navigation bar needs a revamp. I would like if it was somewhat wider, just like on the old forums.
If that's added, I'll be very content and happy. :3
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I like what I'm seeing so far. The current theme is more..balanced?..than some of the old themes. Also it isn't bright blue everywhere, but that might just be me :P
Best of luck getting the issues ironed out ;)
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Slowly getting used to the new theme and I must say, Eeems' KISS puristicy (wut) seems to pay off, it looks nice. Only the navigation bar needs a revamp. I would like if it was somewhat wider, just like on the old forums.
If that's added, I'll be very content and happy. :3
Thanks!
Wider navigation bars don't work well on mobile devices, or computers with lower resolution. Instead we have opted for a cleaner navigation interface with dropdowns for extra related options.
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I should have known that you did the updates! (With all of the grey) ++ Overall, nice work. ;D Does SMS allow custom HTML/CSS/JS/PHP?
BTW, I'm not sure if someone has already covered this, but will "karma" be restored? For instance, is there a log with all of the karma in it from the last SMF version? We could always just become a socialist component... :P
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I should have known that you did the updates! (With all of the grey) ++ Overall, nice work. ;D
BTW, I'm not sure if someone has already covered this, but will "karma" be restored? For instance, is there a log with all of the karma in it from the last SMF version? We could always just become a socialist component... :P
We do have a log, and I'm going to see if I can import the log in tonight. I have finally implemented something that will allow you to upvote specific posts and there have been some other improvements on the Karma system. You can only rate people once every 10 minutes in order to keep people from spamming. When you do you have the option of giving a description on why you did in order to help people understand why you like/dislike their posts.
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You might want to reword the prompt - sounds pretty intimidating. ::)
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Nice...
When I saw different GUI here I was thinking, that omnimaga site is broken. So it is not broken, but it is an upgrade.
Any chance to switch back to the original design ?
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I like the simplicity and clean looks of the new design. Gives the site a more "serious" touch. But I miss the news roll and the "recent posts" list on the hp. Especially with the removing the news roll omni kinda shoots itself in the leg, because if you're not logged in, you basically have no means of telling what this site is about.
Btw I didn't receive a notification either.
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Nice...
When I saw different GUI here I was thinking, that omnimaga site is broken. So it is not broken, but it is an upgrade.
Any chance to switch back to the original design ?
Please read the news post fully before asking questions.I like the simplicity and clean looks of the new design. Gives the site a more "serious" touch. But I miss the news roll and the "recent posts" list on the hp. Especially with the removing the news roll omni kinda shoots itself in the leg, because if you're not logged in, you basically have no means of telling what this site is about.
Btw I didn't receive a notification either.
News roll? The main page is suppose shows the news, but it seems someone was playing around with the permissions again. That should be fixed now.
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Still wondering about two things:
Will post ratings/karma be restored (edit sorry, didn't see the post in the previous page) ?
Will the Recent posts show links to posts instead of showing their content directly ?
And a third thing that is not so important, but the Recent posts are in "Unread" even if they are read. So maybe it would be better if it was in the "top bar" directly, as it used to be before the upgrade.
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Slowly getting used to the new theme and I must say, Eeems' KISS puristicy (wut) seems to pay off, it looks nice. Only the navigation bar needs a revamp. I would like if it was somewhat wider, just like on the old forums.
If that's added, I'll be very content and happy. :3
Actually my main gripe with the navbar is that I am so used to New Posts being last. However, I think they tried to group things together via drop-downs, so having two forum-related links would have made no sense. However, I really can't wait until the old new posts list is back. Omni activity skyrocketed shortly after it was implemented and many people used it.
As for telling what the site is about, what we need back is the intro we had on the front page saying what Omni is about and how it's meant to be free of hostility and all. Since there isn't enough space for calc screenshots in the banner, a small strip of calc screenies of popular Omnimaga projects could be added inside the Welcome to Omnimaga box in the middle. The about page is nice, but we really need an (updated) summary on the front page, like we had and like what Cemetech currently has. The free of hostility part could also continue to deter sign ups of certain troublesome users (although negative post ratings usually did the work once they signed up).
Also, am I the only person to have received a notification e-mail? O.O
News roll? The main page is suppose shows the news, but it seems someone was playing around with the permissions again. That should be fixed now.
I think his issue is that if you go to the news section of the forums, now the topics are not only ordered by last reply instead of starting date, but their actual start date no longer shows up below topic titles (the old SMF board, along with the Invisionfree ones, used a mod for that). It makes it next to impossible to find any older news because the Omnimaga search is completely broken (most results are irrelevant and we can no longer search for digits, such as "7 years").
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And a third thing that is not so important, but the Recent posts are in "Unread" even if they are read. So maybe it would be better if it was in the "top bar" directly, as it used to be before the upgrade.
Please send all requests to http://ourl.ca/request (http://ourl.ca/request) instead of posting them. I do not have the time to go through every single post in the forum to find all user requests.Will the Recent posts show links to posts instead of showing their content directly ?
As mentioned before, yes. If you really want the links to posts etc though, use the unread/replies pages instead though.Slowly getting used to the new theme and I must say, Eeems' KISS puristicy (wut) seems to pay off, it looks nice. Only the navigation bar needs a revamp. I would like if it was somewhat wider, just like on the old forums.
If that's added, I'll be very content and happy. :3
Actually my main gripe with the navbar is that I am so used to New Posts being last. However, I think they tried to group things together via drop-downs, so having two forum-related links would have made no sense. However, I really can't wait until the old new posts list is back. Omni activity skyrocketed shortly after it was implemented and many people used it.
Honestly unread/replies works way better then the others for seeing activity. Plus we have post notifications on IRC.
As for telling what the site is about, what we need back is the intro we had on the front page saying what Omni is about and how it's meant to be free of hostility and all. Since there isn't enough space for calc screenshots in the banner, a small strip of calc screenies of popular Omnimaga projects could be added inside the Welcome to Omnimaga box in the middle. The about page is nice, but we really need an (updated) summary on the front page, like we had and like what Cemetech currently has. The free of hostility part could also continue to deter sign ups of certain troublesome users (although negative post ratings usually did the work once they signed up).
Make requests to the requests form please.
I think his issue is that if you go to the news section of the forums, now the topics are not only ordered by last reply instead of starting date, but their actual start date no longer shows up below topic titles (the old SMF board, along with the Invisionfree ones, used a mod for that). It makes it next to impossible to find any older news because the Omnimaga search is completely broken (most results are irrelevant and we can no longer search for digits, such as "7 years").
Try searching by '7%years'. It's not as exact as '7 years' (ie: it can return results for "7. This example will take years") but it does work. The search itself is actually not broken. It is now using a fulltext index to search the forum which provides enhanced search speed and less cpu usage on searching. I just tried to do some generic searches and almost none of the results were irrelevant.
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I don't like this one bit.
My Rep is at 0 D:
EDIT:Why can't I change back to the old theme? It isn't an option on the homepage.
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It isn't an option because none of the old themes have been converted yet.
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I don't like this one bit.
My Rep is at 0 D:
EDIT:Why can't I change back to the old theme? It isn't an option on the homepage.
Please read the news post in full before asking questions.
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Hey guys! This is alberthrocks, your friendly invisible CoT! A couple things to clarify:
- This is technically Omnimaga v2.0, big upgrade. No kidding, we did a super big upgrade, which is no small feat!
- That said, the upgrade is a WIP. Call it Omnimaga v2.0 SUPER ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA. Consider the website in alpha right now, with tons of bugs and problems at the moment. We're actively working to fix all of them, but for now, we ask that you bear with us during the upgrade. To repeat, the upgrade is not complete yet!
- The old theme WILL be back - we've planned this from the start. This is just a temporary theme that we'll continue to tweak to make better until upgrades are complete. Once done, we'll begin working on porting the older theme to v2.0, and bring it back eventually. You'll have the option to pick the current new theme or the old theme once the upgrade is done.
- We upgraded to protect you from hacking! The reason why we are upgrading this fast is because we were running on an older, unsupported version of SMF. For you guys, that means spambots, super prone to hacking attempts, etc. (Some bots even managed to start going through accounts and steal personal info, like your email!) We upgraded to stop that from happening, as we believe that's really important to protect!
- Help us help you! Please report issues using this form (http://ourl.ca/issue), not here! We want to make this upgrade a success, so please report issues there! Reporting it on that form helps us more than posting about it here!
- Finally, please stay put as we work through this - don't harass/complain/etc. until we announce that we're done! We know there are issues, so please use this form (http://ourl.ca/issue) to report it! We're working around the clock to fix stuff, and we'd appreciate if you tell us about the problem! Once we get out of alpha, we'll open up for changes and such. For now, to keep our admins sane, please use the form to tell us about issues and hold tight till its done!
Thanks for reading!
-alberthrocks
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I thought it was Omnimaga v7.0 Beta?
Omnimaga v6: the old one before we switched
Omnimaga v7.0 Alpha: When we installed SMF2 and tested it behind the scenes
Omnimaga v7.0 Beta: When we switched
Otherwise, thanks Albert.
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Made a quick edit and linking quoting into the front post
Thanks Alb!
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A quick note on that post Albert, this isn't a temporary theme per say. This is a WIP of the new 2014 theme. The other old themes will be brought back eventually though. They are not a priority due to other more pressing things that need fixing though.
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- This is technically Omnimaga v2.0, big upgrade. No kidding, we did a super big upgrade, which is no small feat!
- That said, the upgrade is a WIP. Call it Omnimaga v2.0 SUPER ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA. Consider the website in alpha right now, with tons of bugs and problems at the moment. We're actively working to fix all of them, but for now, we ask that you bear with us during the upgrade. To repeat, the upgrade is not complete yet!
2004: Version 1.0
2004: Version 1.1
2005: Version 1.2
2005: Version 2.x
2006: Version 3.0
2008: Version 4.0
2010: Version 5.0
2013: Version 6.0
2014: Version 2.0
Nice version number evolution :P
Actually my main gripe with the navbar is that I am so used to New Posts being last. However, I think they tried to group things together via drop-downs, so having two forum-related links would have made no sense. However, I really can't wait until the old new posts list is back. Omni activity skyrocketed shortly after it was implemented and many people used it.
Honestly unread/replies works way better then the others for seeing activity. Plus we have post notifications on IRC.
Not to be rude, but I think you need to listen to Omnimaga users more, like the rest of the admins have been doing. While you think that unread/replies works better, it is your opinion and many Omnimaga users have expressed the opposite one (they prefer the big new posts list that listed every thread regardless of if they were already read or not and even if they didn't participate in them). I'm pretty sure that if every comment on this thread were properly sent as ourl.ca requests that you would have many requests about the New Posts page return. While the return of such feature is not a big priority right now, I would hate if you started doing like big companies such as Facebook, Microsoft and Youtube and tried to impose feature changes based solely on your own preferences and ignoring any negative comment about the change. At the very least, once the site is fixed completely, allow another admin or Sorunome to add features that many users would like to have back if you aren't willing to add it.
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Thanks :P we like it to because to the majority of the populous it is version 2 as they only knew version 5/6. So telling them its v2 makes sense :P
Actually my main gripe with the navbar is that I am so used to New Posts being last. However, I think they tried to group things together via drop-downs, so having two forum-related links would have made no sense. However, I really can't wait until the old new posts list is back. Omni activity skyrocketed shortly after it was implemented and many people used it.
Honestly unread/replies works way better then the others for seeing activity. Plus we have post notifications on IRC.
Not to be rude, but I think you need to listen to Omnimaga users more, like the rest of the admins have been doing. While you think that unread/replies works better, it is your opinion and many Omnimaga users have expressed the opposite one (they prefer the big new posts list that listed every thread regardless of if they were already read or not and even if they didn't participate in them). I'm pretty sure that if every comment on this thread were properly sent as ourl.ca requests that you would have many requests about the New Posts page return. While the return of such feature is not a big priority right now, I would hate if you started doing like big companies such as Facebook, Microsoft and Youtube and tried to impose feature changes based solely on your own preferences and ignoring any negative comment about the change. At the very least, once the site is fixed completely, allow another admin or Sorunome to add features that many users would like to have back if you aren't willing to add it.
And if you had been paying you would know we are working on fixing it and including everything and he has been listening and agreeing you just do not see it because unlike us he is DOING IT whilst we are handling everything else. And if you had read the post we intend on bringing back as many features as feasible and more if we can. No offense DJ but read and think before you post please.
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I tried to reply to this but suddenly got logged out (reported), so I won't bother spending another 30 minute typing a post from scratch, especially that I pretty much replied on IRC earlier.
I am a bit irritated at some stuff that happened in this thread, so I am quite impatient in such state, but why I am irritated is based on my opinion I guess.
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Will the Recent posts show links to posts instead of showing their content directly ?
As mentioned before, yes. If you really want the links to posts etc though, use the unread/replies pages instead though.
Yeah, but UnreadReplies only shows unread posts -.-
What I'd want is the list in Recent but showed with the "format" of UnreadReplies ._.
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Question: Does the new forum still use StopForumSpam and CloudFlare spambot filters or just Bad Behavior?
Also the [suspicious] tags are a nice touch. This could become handy since the game walkthrough section could be made public but topic start content hidden to guests. They would have an idea of what walkthrough we have so far.
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Question: Does the new forum still use StopForumSpam and CloudFlare spambot filters or just Bad Behavior?
Also the [suspicious] tags are a nice touch. This could become handy since the game walkthrough section could be made public but topic start content hidden to guests. They would have an idea of what walkthrough we have so far.
We still use cloudflare/Askimet as well as a different feature, honeypots (via the Bad Behavior mod (http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2502)).
Stop forum spam is currently not compatible for 2.0.7 so we are not using that until it is updated.
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Aaah ok. That could explain why one or two bots slipped by a few days ago. I didn't realize that SFS wasn't 2.0.7 compatible. Have you tried the version emulation mode? (Although I recommend backing up first) Sometimes, there is no SMF change that will prevent a mod from working and the author might not immediately update his mod to include 2.0.7 in the compatibility list.
The only thing I dislike about Bad Behavior is its name: I wish they had called it in a way to imply that it's mainly to block spam. If someone gets blocked when signing up, if he sees "Bad Behavior has blocked 1628 access attempts in the last 7 days." at the bottom of the page and isn't familiar with spambots, he might think the admins are just ban freaks and manually ban most new users for no reason. O.O
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Btw, is it normal that we get over 100000 forum views per day now? Today we got 250276 views alone and normally we get 18000-30000. That's 30% of what we get in an entire month! O.O
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Maybe SMF2 is calculating the views differently?
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Maybe SMF2 is calculating the views differently?
Nope, enotify artificially inflates it. I've turned that off for now until I get around to re-writing it in a way that doesn't inflate the pageview count, and also doesn't start setting off the spam protection for too many login attempts.
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Oooh I see now. That sucks. D: Good luck fixing it.
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Hey, how's the attachment update going? As i understand, now only logged-in ppl can download. Is that the intended final solution? I mean, guest users can no longer see/download attachments, that will certainly decrease the # of downloads, 'cause some won't even bother to log-in. ???
PS: I miss the feature: who's reading the topic, 'cause it decreases user's interaction, imho. :(
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Hey, how's the attachment update going? As i understand, now only logged-in ppl can download. Is that the intended final solution? I mean, guest users can no longer see/download attachments, that will certainly decrease the # of downloads, 'cause some won't even bother to log-in. ???
PS: I miss the feature: who's reading the topic, 'cause it decreases user's interaction, imho. :(
Waiting for geekboy to review the permissions.
Send a request for the "who's reading the topic" feature to ourl.ca/request
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Yeah, when United-TI made their attachments invisibile to guests, this caused a lot of backlash in the TI community and that reason alone was enough to make some people move their projects elsewhere. Since this is a permission issue, hopefully it can be fixed in the near future.
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Yeah, when United-TI made their attachments invisibile to guests, this caused a lot of backlash in the TI community and that reason alone was enough to make some people move their projects elsewhere. Since this is a permission issue, hopefully it can be fixed in the near future.
Fixed Already
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Ok cool to hear. :D
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I just got an idea about links being broken. I don't know how feasible it is though, I am not an expert at web.
Why not put the "new website" in a "new folder" and have all links to the "old folder" be redirected with an offset to the "new folder" ? This way, every link already written somewhere is still valid and every new link is too.
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that would require some additional junk to all new URLs.
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I just got an idea about links being broken. I don't know how feasible it is though, I am not an expert at web.
Why not put the "new website" in a "new folder" and have all links to the "old folder" be redirected with an offset to the "new folder" ? This way, every link already written somewhere is still valid and every new link is too.
I'm not going to be changing the folder structure of Omnimaga and adding junk to the urls. It looks unprofessional and it make maintaining the site that much more of a headache.
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No need for me to beat around the bush : ;)
I'm not going to be changing the folder structure of Omnimaga and adding junk to the urls. It looks unprofessional and it make maintaining the site that much more of a headache.
What's also unprofessional (and an actual, current issue) is for links on other websites to now be pointing at "random" other topics.
Why isn't url-rewriting possible ?
(detect old ones and apply the offset)
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No need for me to beat around the bush : ;)
I'm not going to be changing the folder structure of Omnimaga and adding junk to the urls. It looks unprofessional and it make maintaining the site that much more of a headache.
What's also unprofessional (and an actual, current issue) is for links on other websites to now be pointing at "random" other topics.
Why isn't url-rewriting possible ?
(detect old ones and apply the offset)
Old URLs are still valid current ones. Rewriting them would break current live links.
Having external links pointing to the wrong pages on our website does not make our site look unprofessional, it just means that the external sites are out of date and need to be updated. It is not the responsibility of any site to make sure that external sites have the right links to them. That is up to the site admin of that external site. We have done our due diligence and let people know that the links have changed, and we have provided a tool to fix the external links.
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The issue is that this is the TI community and everyone have tried for years to make things easy for everyone, so I don't think that shifting the entire fault on other sites and acting like Omnimaga is perfect and never do anything wrong is the best thing to do. While you may think Eeems that your decision is the best, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the case, even if you work in the web dev field.
However, as much as I disagreed with that decision, what I didn't like on TI-Planet was how some recent posts blamed the entire Omnimaga team for hurting its site activity and belittling other sites. The opinions of one admin may not necessarily represent the ones of the entire Omnimaga team. It's entirely possible that some other admins or support staff were against that move, but that a majority won, and arguably, perhaps some who voted yes were not as familiar with web design and thus, unaware of the possible consequences. Some admins don't read every topic and I don't think that all of them have access to ourl.ca/issue/request. Also, while support staff have admin privileges, they have no control on admin decisions, so for example, if Sorunome wanted to fix the IDs in a way that gives less work to other sites, it is not guaranteed that he will be allowed to perform such change.
I don't really care if someone complains about just one person on another site, but bashing an entire site admin base for one person is unfair and is definitively not how I will continue supporting the site from which it comes from. Also, as much as I was against the ID changes breaking external site links due to how it helped killing United-TI, with what happened between TI-Planet team and Omnimaga/Cemetech, it could be hard now, especially from Cemetech and Omni admins, to take any negative criticism coming from TI-Planet team seriously, and it will only worsen if TI-Planet team continues the public anti-Omnimaga libel.
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@DJ_O Please stop increasing problems by reporting lies or exagerated things. That's slander.
You're not helping the TI community.
Thank you.
You don't know what has happened.
I can see no post on TI-Planet bashing the Omnimaga community, as it is in no way reponsible for the admins behaviour.
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I don't have much to say against this other then as a whole we decided the way of changing the post id's was best. If he hasn't already he will be making an api/tool set for people to fix the links on their end. The decision was made between us having a maintenance nightmare or a quick fix on any site that is willing to cooperate. We decided less work for everyone == better.
As for the rest of the post we have made our decisions and have done our best to make them clear. I can't speak for them but cemetech seems to understand. We hope ti-planet will to. It's our site our rules. Does not mean we are trying to be assholes about it we are just doing what we feel, as a team, is in omnimagas best interest. Eeems acts with us and us with him. Just for the record.
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Thanks for explaining. I just think that the solution "less work for everyone == better" is not the one a website should choose. It should choose "no work for anyone external to the website". But that's just my opinion, maybe everyone else disagrees with me.
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@DJ_O Please stop increasing problems by reporting lies or exagerated things. That's slander.
You're not helping the TI community.
Thank you.
You don't know what has happened.
I can see no post on TI-Planet bashing the Omnimaga community, as it is in no way reponsible for the admins behaviour.
I am not slandering anyone, I am simply stating the truth. Besides, if you guys are allowed to say anything bad against Omni, then why should I restrain myself? Free speech is equal for everyone, not just the TI-Planet team. Stop trying to silence me when you find pleasure in bashing us. Also, just to tell you are trying to silence me, you locked the TI-Planet topic, yet the TI-Planet team still continues participating in it with no way for anyone else to defend Omni. Well, guess what? I'm gonna silence you too: Welcome to my ignore list (yes, SMF2 now has a forum ignore list)!
The libel I am talking about was found in this post:
Effectivement...
Si Omni décline d'autant plus, ca sera vraiment de leur faute (et le pire c'est qu'il ont l'air de s'en foutre).
Ma foi, on pourra pas dire/reprocher qu'on n'a pas essayé de leur proposer une solution (url rewriting etc.) et au moins de leur faire voir les problèmes.
Basically, this accuses Omni as a whole (or at least the entire admin team) of not caring and that the ID change is all their fault, when in fact not every admin may be fine with the change. Also, who tells you that they don't care? Maybe Eeems actually CARES too, but found his decision to be for the best? If Eeems didn't care about the TI community, he would have left Omnimaga A LONG TIME ago. Same for Geekboy1011 and others. I am really astonished by how much work they put into Omni so far despite having to deal with many criticism (including from myself), when they could just have shut the site down entirely and moved on in life. You should feel lucky that Omnimaga exists today.
If that post above wasn't slander/libel, then I don't know what it is.
TI-Planet admins always act like they are perfect and never do anything wrong in the way that if we badmouth them, they immediately accuse the other party of slander and then wash their hands from anything they said. This is what killed the Omni/Cemetech vs TI-Planet partnership (just the JsTIfied incident and attacks against Kerm were the most retarded things I ever seen in the TI community). If you all stopped blaming Omnimaga/Cemetech admins for all of your problems and started accepting the fact that Omni and Cemetech can be ran the way they want, then maybe the sites would still be partners today.
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What I was stating DJ, is that with the way you're taking care of problems you are just making things worse and adding more ressentment to already existing ressentment
What's your goal here ?
I am not slandering anyone, I am simply stating the truth.
Wrong. Or you wouldn't have mentionned Cemetech.
You don't know the truth behind this. You just know what you've been told.
Besides, if you guys are allowed to say anything bad against Omni, then why should I restrain myself?
1st: nothing bad was said against Omni. You should reread.
2nd: this in no way gives you the right to slander and report lies or incorrect fact
Free speech is equal for everyone, not just the TI-Planet team. Stop trying to silence me when you find pleasure in bashing us.
Are you mad?
I find no pleasure in bashing Omnimaga and I did never bash Omnimaga.
If you want to understand, just use your brain - things are quite simple.
Also, just to tell you are trying to silence me, you locked the TI-Planet topic
Locking the topic was not my decision.
And it's in no way a reason to come complaining here and reporting lies, like an immature teenage boy.
yet the TI-Planet team still continues participating in it with no way for anyone else to defend Omni. Well, guess what? I'm gonna silence you too: Welcome to my ignore list (yes, SMF2 now has a forum ignore list)!
Oh yes... you're really going to solve problems like this... just go on... (sarcastic)
Then I can see no point in creating a problem in this topic first. What's your goal?<
The libel I am talking about was found in this post:
Effectivement...
Si Omni décline d'autant plus, ca sera vraiment de leur faute (et le pire c'est qu'il ont l'air de s'en foutre).
Ma foi, on pourra pas dire/reprocher qu'on n'a pas essayé de leur proposer une solution (url rewriting etc.) et au moins de leur faire voir les problèmes.
1st, I'm not the one who did write this.
So you're doing exactly what you're blaming us for and that we didn't do: instead of mentionning the poster, you're speaking of the whole TI-Planet community or team.
So you post was totally inappropriate.
2nd, I can see no libel - it's just facts.
3rd, just read the previous posts instead of quoting out of context - that's not very honest from you.
The comment was clearly intended at some Omnimaga admin.
I'm not answering the next part, or I'm going to say things about Eeems, and I don't want to add another out of topic problem to your out of topic problem.
TI-Planet admins always act like they are perfect and never do anything wrong in the way that if we badmouth them, they immediately accuse the other party of slander and then wash their hands from anything they said. This is what killed the Omni/Cemetech vs TI-Planet partnership (just the JsTIfied incident and attacks against Kerm were the most retarded things I ever seen in the TI community). If you all stopped blaming Omnimaga/Cemetech admins for all of your problems and started accepting the fact that Omni and Cemetech can be ran the way they want, then maybe the sites would still be partners today.
Oh yes, we're at lies and slanders again...
Please link me any attack against KermM or immediately remove your slandering post.
And also link or quote where I'm stating I'm perfect.
Cemetech and Omnimaga can be run the way they want.
Where did you imagine anything else ?
But this in no way gives the right to an Omnimaga admin to make an arrogant reply.
Thanks to the Omnimaga team for accepting my reply post.
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If you all stopped blaming Omnimaga/Cemetech admins for all of your problems and started accepting the fact that Omni and Cemetech can be ran the way they want, then maybe the sites would still be partners today.
I don't see where TI Planet accused other website admins to be the cause of their problems (I don't see any problem on TI Planet in fact), but I'd say that TI Planet is not the website that makes the less things, it's the one website that asks for links to be fixed so that programs and topics from Omnimaga can be linked, not the one website saying "there is a tool, just go through every post and convert every link with that".
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Hey - can we just cut it out? Am I the only one here who thinks it's pointless?
The site's a work in progress. We all know it. Let's just stop all the "requests" that are on the admins' agenda that is here: http://ourl.ca/roadmap
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Just a few words about my tiplanet post, DJ, which you seem to have understood in a much worse way than it was intended anyway :
(in addition to the fact that I didn't even know the tiplanet topic was locked when I posted there)
What I've stated is for me just a fact, as what outside people / visitors perceive. What's wrong with that ?
Clearly when you have a lot of links that suddenly don't work, there is a problem.
The point I was making is that I found it to be a bad decision from the admins, even if one only may be the cause of this.
Why ? Because if there was such internal disagreement, as you say, about this topic ID issue, well, maybe this specific change should not have been made at all.
But I won't question/interfere Omni's way of deciding admin stuff, that's up to you guys, you do whatever you want.
BTW Geekboy stated the decision was made as a whole, actually, so I don't know what happened with that.
If you all believe it's better this way, then ok. But we sure don't, because thousands of links are just plain wrong.
And remember that this whole thing here is about making Omnimaga better, you see... Advices coming from the website that links you the most.
If you just don't want to offer what's best to visitors from any website by not finding a proper way to redirect people to get correctly linked to the topics, we can't do anything about it on our side, sorry, it's far too dangerous on phpBB.
And yeah, stop off-topic.
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@Critor &DJ: Please take your arguing elsewhere. You are both off topic and needlessly cluttering this topic. Thanks.
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@Art_of_camelot When I'm being attacked, I just feel I have the right to reply, at least once.
Don't worry, I have no intention of adding anything unless it becomes needed again. :)
I'd just like to point out that it's just not the first time those last months that DJ_O comes complaining on Omnimaga about french words he misunderstood on TI-Planet or Omnimaga, from me or from other TI-Planet staff.
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Well, maybe you guys can split the topic to a "topic ID issue debate" thing.
Again, I intervene here and there to try to make the whole deal with IDs better for Omnimaga & TI-Planet particularly (since we have a large amouns of links to you)
The feeling of stubborness I perceive just startles me, that's all (hence my posts).
And if there was anything in particular that I would have wanted to say directly to the admins, I would really have said it here and in English, believe me I wouldn't have done that just in French and in a locked topic, to feel protected or whatever one may think ;)
But anyway, you guys know how the whole tiplanet team feels about the IDs issue. No need to repeat us.
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Hey - can we just cut it out? Am I the only one here who thinks it's pointless?
The site's a work in progress. We all know it. Let's just stop all the "requests" that are on the admins' agenda that is here: http://ourl.ca/roadmap
Well we know it's a work in progress. We are not saying "links don't work", we are saying "fix them for real instead of using a workaround that only fixes a quarter of the problem".
But anyway, you guys know how the whole tiplanet team feels about the IDs issue. No need to repeat us.
Not just the TI Planet team, I am not part of that team and spent a lot more time on Omnimaga than on TI Planet.
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critor,
You have received a warning for insulting other users and/or staff members. Please cease these activities and abide by the forum rules otherwise we will take further action.
Regards,
The Omnimaga: The Coders Of Tomorrow Team.
Oh great.
Then first, the modo or admin who did this is going to take the courage of identifying himself here, instead of cowardly hiding behind a generic admin account.
Then he's going to explain his reasons, because I don't understand anything in that generic PM.
Second, you are going to cancel this immediately.
It's my right to reply when I'm being attacked. And it's your fault for keeping this post online.
Did DJ_O get a warning too for attacking and insulting me?
Quote me where I've been insulting him by just saying.
If you did moderate DJ_O post correctly, then I would never have needed to reply.
As soon as you choose to keep his post onlin, I have the right to reply.
So please, do your job properly and stop punishing victims instead of protecting them.
Thanks.
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Locking the topic because it has strayed from what it should be discussing.