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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: Juju on November 27, 2011, 07:59:00 pm

Title: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Juju on November 27, 2011, 07:59:00 pm
Earlier tonight, an admin found, deep in a closet of the basements of the Omnimaga headquarters, alongside remains of exploded lobsters, a crate of no less than 808 unclaimed post ratings, all destined to DJ_O. For some reason, the post rating system forgot they existed. We then gave back the ratings to DJ_O, who said they were probably lost during a downrating attack back in 2010 when he still was admin. "I think those 800 extra ratings were due to someone undoing the Bungie attack, but he uprated way too many posts compared to what Bungie downrated. However I manually decreased my respect back to its actual value afterward. The rest might be due to one of my account deletions, though.", says DJ_O. DJ_O now owns, at the time of writing, a whooping respect of +2151. Other peoples also claimed lost post ratings, such as Eeems, who recently recovered about 20 of them.

Netham45 also came up with an useful tool (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=25) so you can check which posts you got up/downrated. No more complaining about your downrates! Admins also gets a tool to easily undo mass-downrates, in case it will ever happen again, much like last time with Eeems or ephan. Admins had a hard time recovering from it, having no idea of what to do but messing in the SQL databases directly, the downrater finally manually uprated the victims again.

Edit (Netham45): It should be noted that you need a minimum of 50 respect to use it.

Edit (Netham45): It should also be noted that spamming +1's on people so they can get to 50 is in violation of the rules. Thanks for not abusing the rating system.

Edit (Ztrumpet): 50 respect requirement removed.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 27, 2011, 08:01:07 pm
an useful tool (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=25)
I lost 2151 ratings in F-Zero?? O.O
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Xeda112358 on November 27, 2011, 08:04:56 pm
I got a downrate on my very first Grammer post :/ I did not find negative comments nor did I think my post had anything negative in it :( Oh well, I can't really complain I guess, but I do wish if somebody had an issue with it, they could have told me :/

@DJ_O: Every user plus a thousand bots all got together to downrate it >:D
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 27, 2011, 08:07:05 pm
Oh ok lol. I was confused. I notice now that my post rating goes up/down by 1 every post in the list :P

Also for me the list is incredibly huge lol XD. I must have gotten about 4000 ratings.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Builderboy on November 27, 2011, 08:07:21 pm
Yeah I too found some random constructive posts that got downrated for some reason o.O I think it was probably the result of spamming angry members tho.  This is really useful and cool !
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 27, 2011, 08:10:32 pm
Btw Juju I think those 800 extra ratings were due to someone undoing the Bungie attack, but he uprated way too many posts compared to what Bungie downrated. However I manually decreased my respect back to its actual value afterward. The rest might be due to one of my account deletions, though.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 27, 2011, 08:13:45 pm
50 respect?
POR QUE?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 27, 2011, 08:24:15 pm
Btw suggestion:

Have the post rating displayed besides your total rating, such as: Re: F-Zero Progress Thread   -   2151 (0)

Or something like that, and put an exclamation mark if the post has a negative rating.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Darl181 on November 27, 2011, 08:25:19 pm
This is a pretty cool feature, it lets you know (in most cases) what kind of stuff to avoid doing in the future.
Is there a way to access it from Profile (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=profile) btw?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 27, 2011, 08:26:45 pm
Why do I need 50? D:
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: mrmprog on November 27, 2011, 08:27:48 pm
Aww, I need more respect to see what got me respect...
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 27, 2011, 08:28:53 pm
Aww, I need more respect to see what got me respect...
I give you random respect and you give me random respect until we both have 50! >:D :P jk
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Builderboy on November 27, 2011, 08:38:37 pm
Lol why is there a restriction on people who have less than 50 respect?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 27, 2011, 08:39:39 pm
IKR!!!! ):<

At least lower it to like 20


 I dont want to wait for 30 more
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 27, 2011, 08:47:05 pm
Lol why is there a restriction on people who have less than 50 respect?


We wanted to keep new users from complaining about being downrated on every post as much as possible.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Builderboy on November 27, 2011, 08:49:05 pm
Ah gotcha, although new users would have much less posts to search through if they really were dedicated :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: annoyingcalc on November 27, 2011, 09:11:43 pm
I got two downrates but I wasnt rude or anything I know what the posts are and it wasnt rude
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 27, 2011, 09:18:31 pm
Im going to complain more about not getting to see how I got downrated rather than complaining about geting downrated. :P ... :'(
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 27, 2011, 09:25:21 pm
I got two downrates but I wasnt rude or anything I know what the posts are and it wasnt rude
Well it depends. Did the post add anything useful to the conversation or were they just 3-word posts or even a post saying "/me lost" outside the spam section. Sometimes people gives downvotes not only for rude posts, but also spammy or messages they consider useless.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: annoyingcalc on November 27, 2011, 09:30:04 pm
(not yet compatible with CX, sorry).
Darn /me wants it for the cx

why was I downrated?
was the post apparently I got -2 on this post and and regular rated on the other
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 27, 2011, 09:31:55 pm
Oh god, I posted something just like that on the same thread D:

Wait,
"Darn /me wants it for the cx" wasn't downrated, but

"why was I downrated?" got -2.

That makes no sense
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: annoyingcalc on November 27, 2011, 09:33:55 pm
well it was downrated at one time
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 27, 2011, 09:40:56 pm
Oh god, I posted something just like that on the same thread D:

Wait,
"Darn /me wants it for the cx" wasn't downrated, but

"why was I downrated?" got -2.

That makes no sense
Oh it's the question that did? It might be because some people saw it as a complain about negative ratings (which used to be against the rules)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on November 28, 2011, 02:46:41 am
Wow. That tool seems usefull. I knew that when my acccount got deleted some upratings were missing.
It appears to be just 3. I have now 78, which should be 81. O.O
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Jim Bauwens on November 28, 2011, 02:59:55 am
I only got one down rating ever, and that disappeared because other people uprated it  O.O
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: aeTIos on November 28, 2011, 06:49:33 am
Lol. This is a great tool. I agree that 50+ to view is too high. Lower it to like 20. Or 25. (I passed the +50 just a month ago and I am here over 1 year)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 28, 2011, 07:12:48 am
O.O One year isn't a new user! :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on November 28, 2011, 08:07:33 am
Lol. This is a great tool. I agree that 50+ to view is too high. Lower it to like 20. Or 25. (I passed the +50 just a month ago and I am here over 1 year)
Maybe that means you don't deserve it./me runs.
Lol. I'm kidding.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Iambian on November 28, 2011, 08:13:40 am
[...]
Netham45 also came up with an useful tool (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=25) so you can check which posts you got up/downrated.
[...]
I found this tool quite informative, if not useful. It satisfies my curiosity as to what posts of mine got up-rated and helps me figure out what I said wrong if it got down-rated.

Even though I've been around for ages and that I *should* know what sort of posts should get what reaction, at least it takes the guesswork out of figuring out how my respect got to where it was.

Spoiler For Oh Great One!:
And even though we keep talking of cooking and doing unspeakable things to the Blue Lobster, we are blessed to have such a forgiving Great Lobster, and that he provides for us even through it all. Netham45 truly is the greatest! Bow down for we are not worthy of his presence!
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: JustCause on November 28, 2011, 09:05:49 am
Perhaps replacing the minimum respect requirement with a minimum post requirement? If the intent of the restriction is to prevent new users from making drama out of downvotes, that seems to make more sense.

This is an awesome tool, though.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Iambian on November 28, 2011, 09:31:09 am
Perhaps replacing the minimum respect requirement with a minimum post requirement? If the intent of the restriction is to prevent new users from making drama out of downvotes, that seems to make more sense.
[...]
I'm still in support of the whole minimum respect thing, but now that you mention it, it would seem like a good idea to impose the restriction using both respect, and post count. Minimum respect so the person has an idea as to what's acceptable in the community, and a minimum post count to give the person enough time to figure out what the community standards are. Once those two are satisfied, it becomes more unlikely that they'll start up respect drama because, as you might have suggested, they ought to know better.

Believe me, it took a good while for me to figure that stuff out, and now look at me. I turned into an ancient red CFD, and I'm proud of it. :P For those who get the joke, don't spoil it, plz?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 03:45:48 pm
Ah dang D:
I need +15 more to use this cool tool. :(
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Scipi on November 28, 2011, 04:03:42 pm
I agree with the notion of lowering the respect requirement. I think that, for many, it is too high of a number to easily get to.
Also, I think this encourages people to start making posts just for the sake of getting respect and they would make those kinds of posts on purpose just for the respect, rather than making them innately as we ought to be promoting. 10 - 20 would perhaps be a good target number as it would be a number that would take time to get to, but it would still be something that people know they will eventually obtain. Not a high number that would make people want to "cheat" to get to. :P

Other than that, Thank you so much for finally making this possible! :P

Note:
Spoiler For Spoiler:
Please note that I tried to make this post respectable to support my point. If you feel you want to uprate this post, or ( D: ) downrate please don't I sorta want obtain my 50 respect legibly :P Thanks!
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 04:05:01 pm
lol i read the note and +1ed you XD
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Nick on November 28, 2011, 04:07:21 pm
i've tried it, and i have +50, but it says you need at least +50 to use it xs ????? strange... maybe it wants a +51 or so, idon't know, but it's still strange :w00t:
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 04:08:05 pm
now try it, you have +51 :D
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Nick on November 28, 2011, 04:09:58 pm
well, that was the solution xp problem solved, thanks padwan :)

:'( i got a -1 from the topic from that spamming guy with his numbers (that "please spam" guy)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 28, 2011, 04:10:31 pm
I agree with the notion of lowering the respect requirement. I think that, for many, it is too high of a number to easily get to.
Also, I think this encourages people to start making posts just for the sake of getting respect and they would make those kinds of posts on purpose just for the respect, rather than making them innately as we ought to be promoting. 10 - 20 would perhaps be a good target number as it would be a number that would take time to get to, but it would still be something that people know they will eventually obtain. Not a high number that would make people want to "cheat" to get to. :P

Other than that, Thank you so much for finally making this possible! :P

Note:
Spoiler For Spoiler:
Please note that I tried to make this post respectable to support my point. If you feel you want to uprate this post, or ( D: ) downrate please don't I sorta want obtain my 50 respect legibly :P Thanks!
Yeah in the past I noticed certain people for example just posted new project threads before the project reaches a presentable state just to get extra points and I even saw people begging for respect points. Although this rating system is at the mercy of the Internets and inside jokes or funny ones ends up with lots of rating like on Youtube comments, or friends/allies of certain people rating each other's posts, it should at least in general be to represent if a member who have been around for a while contributed positively to the site. If you only post random messages that are like 3-4 words long and barely anything relevant, or if you are consistently rude to other people, it's inevitable your note will be much lower. Also the rating system tends to make people be more careful about what they post.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 04:10:48 pm
your welcome :)
wait, how did you know it was me? J/K XD
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Nick on November 28, 2011, 04:13:47 pm
hmm, i had some feeling inside, like a kind of sixth sense :w00t:

i just noticed the order in the list, how does that happen? it's like random? or is it me being tired?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 04:22:29 pm
i just noticed the order in the list, how does that happen? it's like random? or is it me being tired?
Gah!!! you're talking about the new tool, right?
I still need +14 more... D:


EDIT: why not make it +50 respect or 500 posts?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Nick on November 28, 2011, 04:29:13 pm
you're jealous, don't you xp and btw, totally off-topic, but i wanted to say it, thanks for letting me know google sites, thanks to your site, it's really toooo easy to make one, so id did it too :) and that 500 posts, that would be a great idea indeed, as when you have 500 posts, i think you've had quite a contribution to view it
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: JustCause on November 28, 2011, 04:29:18 pm
EDIT: why not make it +50 respect or 500 posts?
I support this. Our previous policy on the respect system has always been to deal with those who abuse it on a case-by-case basis, and 500 posts is a pretty reasonable number.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 28, 2011, 04:30:40 pm
IMHO I think people with low post counts should be allowed to view what post they got rated on, assuming they got around 20-30 posts or higher, regardless of their rating, because what if a newbie wants to know what he did wrong?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Scipi on November 28, 2011, 04:36:53 pm
In case of newbies I would assume that it'd be easier to find the posts that got rated since there are fewer posts that could be rated.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 28, 2011, 04:40:02 pm
Oh right lol x.x. I always forget about the last post by this user list.

Netham45 do you think you could modify that list I'm talking about so it shows each post ratings (not the thumbs up/down icons)?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 28, 2011, 04:47:20 pm
In case of newbies I would assume that it'd be easier to find the posts that got rated since there are fewer posts that could be rated.
I'm kinda new, one month here.
I have like 700 posts though D:
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 05:07:01 pm
In case of newbies I would assume that it'd be easier to find the posts that got rated since there are fewer posts that could be rated.
I'm kinda new, one month here.
I have like 700 posts though D:
...and +24 :P
is it possible for mods to change it to +50 OR 500 posts? pleaze????
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 28, 2011, 05:08:08 pm
!!! :D
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: flyingfisch on November 28, 2011, 05:41:38 pm
thats cool, but why not base it on posts?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Jonius7 on November 28, 2011, 05:46:24 pm
I guess I'll have to work much harder, even though I'm not that new of a member.
Actuallly release some games, if they ever get completed, or write a whole bunch of tutorials.
PS: 777 posts!!! 17 post ratings!!! Now only if it was 77 pr...
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 05:49:00 pm
thats cool, but why not base it on posts?
Exactly! why not?
and Joinus7 I like your new avatar :D
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 05:54:40 pm
Very sorry for doublepost, but, whoever you are (or all of you are), please stop this mass uprating of posts.
this seems to be the topic for free +1s now.
Mods, can you do something?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 28, 2011, 05:56:47 pm
Already on it, and the offending users have been contacted.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 28, 2011, 06:01:03 pm
...well, anyway, back to the topic... ;)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 28, 2011, 06:02:34 pm
Since it's mildly on topic: Spamming respect, either positively or negatively, is against the rules. You're allowed to use it for when you genuinely feel a post deserves a +1 or a -1, but spamming to help users reach 50 or whatever constitutes abuse.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Builderboy on November 28, 2011, 06:03:29 pm
Whoah looking at the list, it took me over a year to get 50 respect O.O it does seem to be exponential XD I'd like to graph respect over time and see what happens ^^
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 28, 2011, 06:03:56 pm
You had a big inactivity period there, though, didn't you?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Yeong on November 28, 2011, 06:05:15 pm
it took me almost an year to reach +50 respects :D
and then rest of them I got within 1.5 months O.O
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Builderboy on November 28, 2011, 06:14:25 pm
You had a big inactivity period there, though, didn't you?

Nope, I was active for every month from when I joined till when I got my first 50 respect ^^
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 28, 2011, 06:16:46 pm
You had a big inactivity period there, though, didn't you?

Nope, I was active for every month from when I joined till when I got my first 50 respect ^^

Ah, okay. That was you that took like a 4 month vacation, though, right?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: ztrumpet on November 28, 2011, 06:17:45 pm
I think it was because back then the post rating system was new.  Older members didn't use it as much because they weren't accustom to it, and it hadn't caught on with newer members yet either.  I remember making it on the list of Top 10 Most Respected with only about +6 respect, which seems like nothing now, considering only people with 300 or more respect are up there today.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Builderboy on November 28, 2011, 06:31:03 pm
You had a big inactivity period there, though, didn't you?

Nope, I was active for every month from when I joined till when I got my first 50 respect ^^

Ah, okay. That was you that took like a 4 month vacation, though, right?
Yeah that was recent though ^^ And also Z it probably has to do with the increase of helpfulness of my posts :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Darl181 on November 28, 2011, 06:31:57 pm
Apparently it also shows you when it was modified or something... lolwat 0.o
Quote from: bottom of the list
Re: Your Projects - Post and Critique   +   2
Re: gSHUMP                                     +   1

It's been weird for me, my rep was this slow increase or something over the course of about 6 months then with Tio it shot up like 50 in one month then stabilized again XD
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 28, 2011, 06:33:52 pm
That's the title of your post. By default, replies are prefixed with Re:
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Darl181 on November 28, 2011, 06:37:04 pm
I meant how "gSHUMP" was supposedly my first rating ever, even before the old post & critique thread :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 28, 2011, 07:02:26 pm
Ah, yea, the ratings are in no real order. They're -mostly- chronological, but since there's no timestamp to sort off of they're just in the order that the DB returns them in.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 28, 2011, 07:13:35 pm
In case of newbies I would assume that it'd be easier to find the posts that got rated since there are fewer posts that could be rated.
I'm kinda new, one month here.
I have like 700 posts though D:
How did you post this much in one month?? O.O
Since it's mildly on topic: Spamming respect, either positively or negatively, is against the rules. You're allowed to use it for when you genuinely feel a post deserves a +1 or a -1, but spamming to help users reach 50 or whatever constitutes abuse.
Yeah true. It could be seen as vandalism or an attack against a forum member depending of which post got rated and in which direction.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: BalancedFury on November 28, 2011, 07:23:38 pm
OMG thank you Netham45! :D
I'll never eat you again ;)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 28, 2011, 10:03:28 pm
In case of newbies I would assume that it'd be easier to find the posts that got rated since there are fewer posts that could be rated.
I'm kinda new, one month here.
I have like 700 posts though D:
How did you post this much in one month?? O.O
Since it's mildly on topic: Spamming respect, either positively or negatively, is against the rules. You're allowed to use it for when you genuinely feel a post deserves a +1 or a -1, but spamming to help users reach 50 or whatever constitutes abuse.
Yeah true. It could be seen as vandalism or an attack against a forum member depending of which post got rated and in which direction.
I'm a... Rather active member
Spoiler For Spoiler:
(http://i.pgu.me/th9QFZnu_original.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Juju on November 28, 2011, 10:18:39 pm
Damn o.o
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on November 29, 2011, 05:05:15 am
I remember that when I was pn my first forum(Tifreakware) i had 19 posts in one day. Jim basically killed me. Lol. Because that was  a lot for not such an active site. Then I got contacted by the admin who told me to stop necroposting.
So, that is already a few years ago but in that time 19 posts was insane actually for one day.
And I have realised' that some people(mostly quite new ones)get very fast to 1000 or a bit less.
Sadly enough I'm sorry to say most of those posts aren' too constructive, which isn't too surprising. Most construcive posts take a while to write. So I would NOT base myself on post count, but maybe on respect or register date?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Munchor on November 29, 2011, 01:22:01 pm
Woah. I have been requesting such a tool for ages. I just wish people told me what I did wrong instead of putting - in the most common posts. I guess it's too late now.

Good work Netham, and congrats on the +s DJ :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2011, 01:39:01 pm
Just wondering, what is the purpose of not letting ppl use the tool unless they have +50? Don't ppl have a right to view their respects? How can a noob/spambot mess it up? Unless there are other features to this tool i dont know about. :/
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Netham45 on November 29, 2011, 01:42:42 pm
The issue is that the users with lower respect are generally newer, and those users tend to react much more violently to getting -1'd than the more seasoned members. We've seen it happen quite a few times where people blow up after getting -1'd when they don't agree with it.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2011, 01:44:35 pm
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. OK. I didn't know about that. I thought it was some kind of forum security thing. Like making ppl under 40 posts not able to view omnomIRC cuz they might be bots. OK. I understand.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Scipi on November 29, 2011, 02:32:52 pm
Personally, I still think the minimum respect should be lowered. To me it seems to alienate members like me who have been here a while but don't pull in huge amounts of +1's.

I think it would be perhaps best to either lower the respect count, or add in a minimum post count that a member could alternatively fulfill. I think by then they'd have an idea of how to handle +/-1's.

But as it is right now, it makes the tool seem like an "elite" privilege that only very respected members can view. Because, at least from my viewpoint, +50 is __not__ easy to get to.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2011, 02:35:04 pm
Personally, I still think the minimum respect should be lowered. To me it seems to alienate members like me who have been here a while but don't pull in huge amounts of +1's.

I think it would be perhaps best to either lower the respect count, or add in a minimum post count that a member could alternatively fulfill. I think by then they'd have an idea of how to handle +/-1's.

But as it is right now, it makes the tool seem like an "elite" privilege that only very respected members can view. Because, at least from my viewpoint, +50 is __not__ easy to get to.

+1'd :P

but yes, your right. IDK how your supposed to get +1's. I got all my +1's from jokes (at least, all the ones i know about) :P . How is that supposed to prove that i'm elite?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on November 29, 2011, 04:33:14 pm
^ Jokes? Wow. And I also agree with homer

The issue is that the users with lower respect are generally newer, and those users tend to react much more violently to getting -1'd than the more seasoned members. We've seen it happen quite a few times where people blow up after getting -1'd when they don't agree with it.
I wont blow up when getting -1 cuz -1 wont make me blow up but if i cant see my -1 then ill blow up instead of blowing up with -1 but ill blow up if i cant see -1 because of people blowing up, but i wont blow up if you let me but ill blow up if you dont let me see what you say will make me blow up, but now ill blow up.
/me blows up

Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: flyingfisch on November 29, 2011, 04:59:56 pm
^ Jokes? Wow. And I also agree with homer

The issue is that the users with lower respect are generally newer, and those users tend to react much more violently to getting -1'd than the more seasoned members. We've seen it happen quite a few times where people blow up after getting -1'd when they don't agree with it.
I wont blow up when getting -1 cuz -1 wont make me blow up but if i cant see my -1 then ill blow up instead of blowing up with -1 but ill blow up if i cant see -1 because of people blowing up, but i wont blow up if you let me but ill blow up if you dont let me see what you say will make me blow up, but now ill blow up.
/me blows up



/me blows up
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on November 29, 2011, 05:13:35 pm
I agree with Homer-16, the idea of having a minimum post count OR a minimum post rating count is very good.
Even people who have been around for a long time do not have +50 yet, and no spambot will be able to make a minimum post requirement,
such as 500 posts, so either way you know that you can trust that person enough to use this cool new tool.
But if nothing changes, that's ok. :) I'll stop bugging you now. :)
Now to get to +50... ;)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Scipi on November 29, 2011, 05:24:19 pm
Ok, well, beyond the lowering of requirements, is there going to be a place to easily access this tool? It seems right now the only place is via this thread. Perhaps in the profile?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: phenomist on November 30, 2011, 11:20:37 pm
Are there plans to extend this to a "Ratings Per Post Scoreboard Automater" ;)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 30, 2011, 11:46:34 pm
Yeah I agree it would be nice if we could access it via our profile. Also yeah I definitively think we should be able to access it even at 0 respect, but maybe only at 100 posts or so, so if a new member gets downrated on his first post because he said thanks after asking a question and someone rated him up before, he has less chances to take it badly. However from experience, even people with 100 rating and 4000 posts complained about downrating or lack of uprating in the past anyway.

It's your choice, though.

Is that tool server intensive? From my list, it seems like it could be, considering it's very long. That could possibly be another reason to limit its access.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: annoyingcalc on November 30, 2011, 11:47:54 pm
I have been here for 8 months almost I would like to use it
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 01, 2011, 06:22:30 pm
By the way one idea I had for the rating system, to prevent someone from getting an obscene amount of negative ratings on a bad post just because it was posted in a popular thread where more people saw his post or vice-versa, or also to prevent friends from mass rating up someone's post, what I thought that would be nice is adding a minimum/maximum rating per posts. For example, the lowest rating a post can reach is -5 and the maximum is +5. If it reaches -5, the thumbs down icon is locked up and if it's +5, it's the thumbs up icon that gets locked up.

I just always thought that if someone screws up and gets -2, then apologises and get +25, it was not really deserved respect. I feel the person should at least to work up a bit more to get his rating up faster, such as making sure to not screw up again. Also, not to name anyone, but I sometimes noticed that certain forum members that posts somewhere will bring up the topic in question to friends and then you see a mob of registered users arriving in that thread, rating up the post in question and I even saw downrating of opposite opinions posts once. In some cases the post in question is midly controversial or biased, so I don't see why such post should deserve +8 respect if it risks instigating extra drama. Limiting the max/min score per post could definitively prevent someone from getting +100 respect just from 7-8 similar posts and it would stop mass downrating waves when someone screws up badly (I mean if the person gets -25 on a totally innapropriate post then he decides to be careful in the future, but that person isn't very active, he's gonna remain at -25 for a long while)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on December 01, 2011, 06:25:09 pm
I fully agree, except for one thing- with the limit of +5, what about projects? many projects have posts that have +6 or more...
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 01, 2011, 06:27:46 pm
Actually it wouldn't affect old posts, just new ones. As for projects usually the person posts regular updates so obviously the updates will get a few points if they're somewhat big and rating rises that way.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on December 01, 2011, 06:28:39 pm
ok then that sounds good. :)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 01, 2011, 06:30:55 pm
Of course, however, such limitation would cause you to be unable to revert a rating cancellation/change on old posts. If for example an old post was rated +10 and you accidentally removed your rating, you would never be able to re-add it again unless the post eventually drops under +5.

Back in the days, Youtube had such restriction for a while too, but the bad thing is that an user could rate down a post multiple times (every 6 hour)
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on December 01, 2011, 08:15:03 pm
With -5, people could still mass downrate.

Some of us downrated every post that some user had posted because of lots of spam. Downrating all the spam posts got him down to under -250 O.O
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: parserp on December 01, 2011, 08:17:32 pm
With -5, people could still mass downrate.

Some of us downrated every post that some user had posted because of lots of spam. Downrating all the spam posts got him down to under -250 O.O
yes, but all his posts had like -16, and he had 22 posts, so therefore, with the -5 limit the worst he could get is 22*5=110
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on December 01, 2011, 08:18:29 pm
But thats still pretty much a mass downrate :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: ztrumpet on December 01, 2011, 09:26:01 pm
Update:  We decided to remove the limit on respect points, so now everyone can see how much respect he/she has.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on December 01, 2011, 09:27:32 pm
Yes! Yes!!
       -M. Bison

Not complaining, but I just lost 3 respect but it didn't show up on the list. Does it take time to update?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Darl181 on December 01, 2011, 10:15:16 pm
Try reading through the whole list for more recent posts.  It's related to the way it stores the ratings--they're not necessarily in chronological order.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 01, 2011, 10:33:49 pm
But thats still pretty much a mass downrate :P
Yeah I mean the mass downrating would be much less bad that way. Also the user that spams gets banned for vandalism anyway.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: ztrumpet on December 01, 2011, 10:41:39 pm
Yes! Yes!!
       -M. Bison

Not complaining, but I just lost 3 respect but it didn't show up on the list. Does it take time to update?
Yup, Darl's right.  The only way Netham was even able to make the list you see was to use data that does not store the timestamp. :/
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 01, 2011, 10:47:29 pm
I wonder if the rating system could be modified to store it? However old ratings would need to have a dummy date (like 1970-01-01) added and they would still not be in order.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: JosJuice on December 02, 2011, 11:54:45 am
Instead of simple having a limit of 5 upvotes/downvotes, would it be possible to not have a limit of how much a post can have but limit how many upvotes/downvotes on a single post can affect the total post ratings?
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: flyingfisch on December 02, 2011, 01:31:24 pm
Update:  We decided to remove the limit on respect points, so now everyone can see how much respect he/she has.

Oh, thank you so much, admin!
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on December 08, 2011, 08:25:44 pm
How do I get to this without going to this topic every time?

Also, Juju, I need to yell at you for using bad grammar >:D :P
You called it "An useful tool" instead of "A useful tool"
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Juju on December 08, 2011, 08:28:41 pm
Sorry! I'm french!/me hides
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Scipi on December 08, 2011, 09:19:07 pm
epic7, I just made a bookmark to it in my browser :P
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on December 09, 2011, 08:15:13 am
I put it in a spoiler in my sig.
Title: Re: Tales of the Lost Post Ratings
Post by: epic7 on December 09, 2011, 03:49:59 pm
epic7, I just made a bookmark to it in my browser :P
Oh. Good idea! :P