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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: AngelFish on June 09, 2011, 12:18:28 am

Title: The Future of Calculators
Post by: AngelFish on June 09, 2011, 12:18:28 am
The day we have all been waiting for has finally arrived: Calculators can now browse the Internet thanks to the new Gossamer Web browser (http://www.cemetech.net/projects/item.php?id=37) unveiled tonight by KermMartian of Cemetech.

Gossamer, which runs on the Global Calcnet Network formerly developed by the same author, uses an on-line application to parse web pages, which are then displayed on the calc screen.



Is this be the future?

*Early reports indicate that Gossamer already loads pages faster and with fewer errors than all versions of Internet explorer earlier than IE8.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 09, 2011, 12:20:04 am
This is awesome. I wonder if it runs Runescape?
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Freyaday on June 09, 2011, 12:28:47 am
Runescape doesn't use all that much processing power anyway, so probably. :P
All kidding aside, I've been joking about this for years, and now it's finally come true!/me is so excited
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 09, 2011, 01:02:46 am
Yeah this is really awesome. Also it detects forum mobile mode it seems, so that shouldn't be a huge issue to browse some large sites, I guess. I like the new stuff that comes out for those calcs lately.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: coolrudski on June 09, 2011, 01:09:40 am
so when will we see flash support? XD
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Juju on June 09, 2011, 01:21:46 am
Woah, that's um, incredibly awesome :D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 09, 2011, 02:23:57 am
Congratulations for this remarkable feat, once again ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: aeTIos on June 09, 2011, 02:44:57 am
Wow. Just wow. Thats all. I'm astounded.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on June 09, 2011, 02:49:00 am
But can it run Crysis? J/k
Congratulations Kerm! This looks like a useful, cool tool.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: dman2073 on June 09, 2011, 08:52:12 am
Wow. Just wow. Thats all. I'm astounded.
Same
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: fxdev on June 09, 2011, 08:53:19 am
I want this ported to the Prizm with real pictures and animations! ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: JosJuice on June 09, 2011, 08:55:44 am
I want this ported to the Prizm with real pictures and animations! ;D
As soon as we figure out how to access the 3-pin port, I'm sure Kerm will be interested in porting CALCnet to the Prizm.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Twerty on June 09, 2011, 09:34:07 am
Man. When will Kerm stop doing the seemingly impossible?

I like how in the video all the grey buttons are worn out. :p
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Anima on June 09, 2011, 10:27:18 am
What the fuck , also on TI-84+? This is awesome. :D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Compynerd255 on June 09, 2011, 10:27:34 am
I just saw the video, and THAT IS COOL! As soon as I get my Arduino bridge built, I am using this!

What is the browser already capable of? I can see that it can follow links and view text on web pages. What's next up on the list? Forms? ASPX? Custom URL?
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: z80man on June 09, 2011, 10:52:19 am
I want this ported to the Prizm with real pictures and animations! ;D
As soon as we figure out how to access the 3-pin port, I'm sure Kerm will be interested in porting CALCnet to the Prizm.
3 pin already good. Based off some disassembling I've done the Prizm uses the Renesas serial controller on the 7730 model processor. And once we find the usb peripheral we'll be good there too.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: JosJuice on June 09, 2011, 10:56:37 am
I want this ported to the Prizm with real pictures and animations! ;D
As soon as we figure out how to access the 3-pin port, I'm sure Kerm will be interested in porting CALCnet to the Prizm.
3 pin already good. Based off some disassembling I've done the Prizm uses the Renesas serial controller on the 7730 model processor. And once we find the usb peripheral we'll be good there too.
So we can send data using it however we want to? O.O
Please publish how to do it, either in a topic or on the wiki. It would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: mrmprog on June 09, 2011, 11:03:23 am
OK, that's it. Goodbye computer, hello calculator!
This is great!
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: fxdev on June 09, 2011, 11:09:29 am
Simon has been using the Prizm's 3pin port for a while. He is currently looking into the OS update process - however, without an fx-CG 10 at hand the Casio updater does not seem to be quite useful and forcing an "OS Error" message may be unfixable at this stage - at least if you have an fx-CG 20 only.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: JosJuice on June 09, 2011, 11:13:18 am
Simon has been using the Prizm's 3pin port for a while.
But is that direct access to what bits are sent, or just using syscalls to send things that conform to Casio's protocol?
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: fxdev on June 09, 2011, 11:26:29 am
As always: If there's a syscall that gets the job done - he'll use it.
That is: No, I don't think he uses any direct addressing.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: JosJuice on June 09, 2011, 11:27:55 am
Ah. Those probably work just fine with Casio's protocol, but CALCnet is a completely different protocol that isn't supported by either TI or Casio.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: JustCause on June 09, 2011, 12:01:34 pm
This is incredible. I question the use of the cursor-based interface (I can't see that as being justified, seeing as the browser's text-based), but this is just...words fail me. WOW.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: ztrumpet on June 09, 2011, 12:15:30 pm
Wow.  This is incredible.  Nice job, Kerm. :D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: KermMartian on June 09, 2011, 01:06:46 pm
This is incredible. I question the use of the cursor-based interface (I can't see that as being justified, seeing as the browser's text-based), but this is just...words fail me. WOW.
Well, it uses Doors CS's GUI system, which is why it's a ~3KB program instead of a ~10KB program, and it makes it easy to click links.  Scrolling is the [ +]/[-] keys.  Thanks for the good wishes, everyone, and thanks for crossposting the news, Qwerty.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: ruler501 on June 09, 2011, 01:09:55 pm
Must get TI-84+ for browsing internet when no comps available
This is great
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: aeTIos on June 09, 2011, 02:12:18 pm
One thing has to be added to calcnet and then its 100% perfect: something for wireless linking.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Hayleia on June 09, 2011, 02:14:28 pm
Hey, found somewhere how to make a wireless infrared linking... but it was 2 years ago and I don't know which website it was. Also, you have to build your own module by yourself (I mean, you have to build at least 2 modules).
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: aeTIos on June 09, 2011, 02:15:28 pm
Ticalc or so. Yeah, but wireless internet would be even more awesome O.O
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Hayleia on June 09, 2011, 02:16:52 pm
With infrared ??? Impossible.
With wifi ? Impossible, or you are Kerm Martian II.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: aeTIos on June 09, 2011, 02:23:18 pm
Wifi of course. And Kerm can pull it off. For sure.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: ben_g on June 09, 2011, 02:32:34 pm
This is great! You've earned a +1 respect!
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Darl181 on June 09, 2011, 02:47:12 pm
There's
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blue8x, but iirc that's still being developed and/or is dead...
But yeah, wifi or something similar on-calc (and a z80 calc, not the limited stuff on the Nspire) would be win ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: qazz42 on June 09, 2011, 03:18:10 pm
So THAT is what that was... that is pretty fricken amazing! Too bad there is still a ban on cemetech so I cant find out more :(
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 09, 2011, 04:32:21 pm
There's
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blue8x, but iirc that's still being developed and/or is dead...
But yeah, wifi or something similar on-calc (and a z80 calc, not the limited stuff on the Nspire) would be win ;D
I think that was by Thepeng77 right?

qazz42 you got banned? O.O Or do you mean parents blocked you?
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: annoyingcalc on June 09, 2011, 05:24:05 pm
 O.O :crazy:Can you use a usb silverlink cable? or dirsct link cable I dont have a brigde
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 09, 2011, 05:27:27 pm
I think it has to be direct USB. Silverlink won't work, although I think somebody was planning to  allow it.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: TIfanx1999 on June 09, 2011, 06:14:03 pm
Wow, awesome job Kerm! I remember seeing some earlier tests of a calc connected to IRC. I suppose after GCN it was just a matter of time.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 09, 2011, 07:31:48 pm
Hmm someone should poke ticalc with this when it shows up there. (I expect it will take a while since they got over 100 pending files and uploads about 15 per 2 day)
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: ztrumpet on June 09, 2011, 07:59:56 pm
There's
Code: [Select]
blue8x, but iirc that's still being developed and/or is dead...
But yeah, wifi or something similar on-calc (and a z80 calc, not the limited stuff on the Nspire) would be win ;D
I think that was by Thepeng77 right?
Yes, it was.

http://ourl.ca/6062/94849
There's code and a video a few posts down.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: BrownyTCat on June 09, 2011, 11:03:26 pm
Does anyone have instructions to make the adapter in the video? I have a load of those TI USB-Mini cables.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Darl181 on June 10, 2011, 12:55:48 am
/me envisions ticalc.org archives, directly accessible on-calc
It would need some method to unzip, tho..
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Freyaday on June 10, 2011, 02:15:57 am
That would be sick as hell! Quick, somebody: on-calc extractor and animated gif viewer! Hurry!
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: AngelFish on June 10, 2011, 02:20:52 am
ZIP format (http://www.pkware.com/documents/casestudies/APPNOTE.TXT)

GIF format (http://www.w3.org/Graphics/GIF/spec-gif89a.txt)


... I'll just leave it up to Kerm.  :P
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 10, 2011, 03:13:33 am
Yeah, an on-calc package manager \o/
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Snake X on June 10, 2011, 08:15:32 am
I wonder how it deals with text fields like the one im typing in right now is what I wanna know
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: TIfanx1999 on June 10, 2011, 09:36:00 am
There's
Code: [Select]
blue8x, but iirc that's still being developed and/or is dead...
But yeah, wifi or something similar on-calc (and a z80 calc, not the limited stuff on the Nspire) would be win ;D
I think that was by Thepeng77 right?
Yes, it was.

http://ourl.ca/6062/94849
There's code and a video a few posts down.
I think Brandon W was fooling around with both wifi and some bluetooth stuff too if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Compynerd255 on June 10, 2011, 10:40:13 am
I think it has to be direct USB. Silverlink won't work, although I think somebody was planning to allow it.
I don't think Silverlink will ever work, mainly because Silverlink translates to USB output in order to send and recieve files only. However, there are solutions for non 84+ users: a simple bridge constructed from an Arduino, and a more complex, but less expensive bridge that plays as a USBHID. I think it would be cool and convenient if someone mass produced the latter.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: fb39ca4 on June 10, 2011, 08:08:30 pm
Fk I've been gone a long time :P
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: apcalc on June 10, 2011, 08:18:29 pm
Fk I've been gone a long time :P

Welcome back!  I was wondering where you went! :)
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: fb39ca4 on June 10, 2011, 08:23:20 pm
Thanks! There's so much new stuff here! Calc web browsers, Nspire os 3, lua and probably more stuff I haven't seen yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 11, 2011, 12:47:03 am
Welcome back, and yeah there were a lot of new things. :D

Activity went down lately but there are a lot of projects in the works, especially due to the contest.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: MayeulC on June 11, 2011, 02:28:05 pm
I want it on my Nspire ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 11, 2011, 02:41:20 pm
Heya and welcome on the forums MayeulC. And I agree. Unfortunately using the USB port via Ndless is impossible, though. Nobody has ever managed to discover how to do so, and using the Nagivator is out of the question, since it costs about $500-2000 per unit :/
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: fb39ca4 on June 12, 2011, 12:35:55 am
$500 a unit? TI is really ripping off schools. I'm guessing all it is is an average USB wifi transceiver with a battery and adapted to work with the dock connector. Simple enough to make much cheaper third party ones. Though there isn't really a market for third party calculator accessories.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 12, 2011, 01:29:46 am
Yeah, sadly it wouldn't have much success. I guess eventually someone migth come up with a cheaper but harder to build alternative, though.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: ralphdspam on June 12, 2011, 08:31:24 pm
Woa!  The most awesome thing since sliced bread!  :D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 12, 2011, 08:36:27 pm
Welcome back ralph :D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: MayeulC on June 13, 2011, 04:31:04 pm
I didn't know you couldn't use the usb port with Ndless.
But if it is possible to transmit a file to the calc while running an asm program, we should try a local browser which writes the requests into a file, and a PC-Side tool which replace this file with the Internet page.

I think it would also be possible to make an input for the Nspire using a fake keyboard, but I don't know how an output could be possibly done.
Using the led?  :D
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: annoyingcalc on June 14, 2011, 08:00:09 am
Here is a Grossamer download (I got it on Cemetech) same with DS7.2 betaNO ARDIONO NEEDED IF YOU HAVE AN 84 USE A B cord ALL CREDIT TO KERM MARTIAN O.O :w00t: :w00t:  AT http://cemetech.net/news.php?id=465

NOT BY ME BY KERM MARTIAN


EDIT Good I dea Ashbad
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Ashbad on June 14, 2011, 08:02:38 am
Don't put another person's work out for download without explicit permission.  See what the rules of the applied license first.  For now, I suggest you take that down in that format; It would be better to link to the URL he provides.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: JosJuice on June 14, 2011, 08:04:18 am
Here is a Grossamer download (I got it on Cemetech) same with DS7.2 betaNO ARDIONO NEEDED IF YOU HAVE AN 84 USE A B cord ALL CREDIT TO KERM MARTIAN O.O :w00t: :w00t:

NOT BY ME BY KERM MARTIAN
Re-publishing things that others have made without their permission is not a good thing to do, even if you give them credit. However, you can provide a link to the Gossamer download page on Cemetech if you want to.
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: annoyingcalc on June 14, 2011, 08:05:42 am
I did I edited my first post and you were ninja'd
Title: Re: The Future of Calculators
Post by: Ashbad on June 14, 2011, 09:50:03 am
Yeah, its never good to provide your own link to software, licensed or not.  Keep that in mind ;)