Omnimaga
Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2011, 03:47:23 pm
-
TI-BANK opened its door in 2002, under the name TI89Prog. It was renamed to TI-BANK in Late 2004. It started as a French TI-89/92+/v200 news and download site, then a few years later it branched out to all calculator models. By 2008 it started to become one of the main source of TI discoveries on the web, to finally become the most active French TI calculator community and the third most active TI calculator forum in the world. A lot of the programs and news for the TI community now come from there and the website averages at about 3000 unique visitors per day. The site also hosts plenty of useful resources for french students, tutorials on the usage of the calculator and hacking tools.
However, following certain unfortunate events, it appears that the future of TI-BANK is now uncertain, as the founder has discussed the possibility to shut the entire website down. Critor has brought up the matter (in French) there: http://tibank.forumactif.com/t7054-arret-de-ti-bank
It started after various bad events involving defamatory comments and false accusations said against TI-BANK and programs such as TNOC on the official Texas Instruments TI-Nspire forums. This caused tension to remain high and as a result, it was inevitable that another negative event could cause bad things to be said out of anger. As a result of bad things said about another teacher who punished a student for using his calculator to cheat, even though the student did not violate any calculator usage rules, TI-BANK owner, who is also a teacher, now worries about his job and has considered closing TI-BANK website as a whole.
Many people in this topic have tried to convince Mic, the site owner, to not close the site, but I think that the future of TI-BANK also concerns people from the English TI community, so I am bringing this up here. If you speak French, you can post your thoughts in the topic linked above and vote on the poll there, else you can post them in English here or there.
For now, TI-BANK continues to operate normally and we hope that it will continue to do so in long terms, but in case you might need certain tools or tutorials that are only available there, I suggest that you download them now in case they would vanish for good.
UPDATE (May 13th 2011): Critor has taken over TI-BANK administration from now on. The original admin will remain around, but less active. This means that TI-BANK will remain online.
-
Even though I do not frequent TI-Bank much, I would like it to remain online. Not only is it a great source for tools like DJ pointed out, but it's also the number one French TI forum out there. It should stay up because it is a vast source of knowledge to everyone, and I hope it stays that way. Mic, if you read this, I really hope you leave TI-Bank up and running if you can.
-
This is very sad news. :(
TI-BANK has made a countless number of major contributions to the calculator community. It would be extremely sad to see it fall. I hope the issues will be worked out, and it will stay! :)
-
Oh my, I barely visit TI Bank but it has helped a lot with the Nspire hacking and all those useful tools of theirs. It is a the best TI French website and its archives are also fully loaded with lots of stuff. I really hope it doesn't close and wish it good luck.
-
I rarely visit Ti-Bank either, but closing the website only because of that? I don't agree. Looks like we have a case of ragequit...
-
I think it's due to frustration from various events that piled up. There were plenty of anti-TI-BANK comments in the past few months on Univers-TI-Nspire (the official French TI-Nspire forums), such as how they accused TI-BANK of bricking people calcs with TNOC. Now there was an issue about a teacher who punished a student for cheating with his calc with no proof and even though the student did not break any written rules, and Mic, who is also a teacher, got mad at such behavior. However because too many bad things occured lately, it was only a matter of time before bad stuff would be said. I didn't expect this, though, although I can understand the frustration, especially that his job might be compromised. I hope things turns out well.
BTW TI-BANK forums are hosted on a free forum hosting provider like Invisionfree. Like Invisionfree, they do not offer backups nor access to databases. If the forums were deleted or hacked, then it would be over.
Also TI-BANK is the 3rd most active TI forum in the world. First there is Omnimaga and Cemetech, sometimes Cemetech first, then behind there's TI-BANK. Omni also has a French section, but it's not even close to being as active as other forums, since it was mostly added to accomodate some of the French programmers who frequents here. I think during June TI-BANK sometimes even have more posts than us in total. This is to tell how important TI-BANK is to the community.
-
Hopefully they will stay open as TI-Bank is a huge hub of activity for the french speaking community. A great many things have started there.
-
D:
I don't want them to close...
They're just like ticalc.org in french to me (meaning I download lotsa stuff from there)
-
I hope they stay open. they seem to be a great and vital part of the calc community. They create many of the greatest projects and utilities at least. I don't speak french so I don't understand or browse it much, but it seems to be a really nice place
-
Sigh.... This world is going mad... You really can't deny that. Companies that we have looked to... Sony, and now TI (not quite as bad as Sony)... But seriously... Why do people have to be so butt hurt all the time and take it out on people like the admin at TI-Bank and its users?
edit: sorry for the miscommunication there DJ_O :/ I should have been more clear
-
Jkag who is the butthurt comment directed at? Because I would like to ask you to play nice. If you directed that at TI-BANK admin, it was uncalled for, considering you don't know what kind of crap he might have went through, and if you don't understand that, then you're narrow-minded. I have to rate down your post until you can clarify otherwise.
-
[22:34] <+SpyBot45> (O) New post by DJ_O in The future of TI-BANK compromi http://omniurl.tk/8347/153771
[22:35] <+jkag> D: I ban from it? It was general towards like the world... It wasnt towards the fair people of Omni!
[22:35] <+jkag> I was defending him!
[22:36] <+jkag> I was calling TI butt hurt!
[22:36] <@Geekboy> ??
[22:36] <+jkag> Not TI-BANK
[22:36] <+jkag> I was ban by DJ_OMNI because i called teh admin of Ti-bank butthurt but dj must have misread
[22:36] <+jkag> it was towards ti
[22:36] <+jkag> not ti-bank
[22:36] <+jkag> i like ti bank :(
quote from logs to say what jkag meant seeing as he says he is banned??????
-
Well his post wasn't worded in a quite easy to misinterpret way, then. I'Ll remove the tempban (it was a 3:15 hours ban) but he needs to edit his post, because it could easily be taken offensively by non-english native speakers from TI-BANK, especially with everything that happened.
-
Sorry about that, edited it to be more clear... If it needs more editing, just say so.
-
Thank you. I was more concerned because people on TI-BANK posted a link to this topic there and it would have sounded like if we were bashing Mic X.x
-
Very welcome. I'll try to word things better in the future.
-
Now to actually add my thoughts on this.
This really stinks and i feel sorry for people like mic when stuff like this happens. it is like the whole world is getting shoved on there shoulders and they just crack.
i hope he can stand his ground though ti-bank is a invaluable website for the community it would really stink to see it die
-
One big issue is that since TI-BANK are the first site to report on calc news all the time, they're the ones receiving most of the crap when it comes to anti-calc development matters.
On the english side it's Ticalc.org, although we do not hear as much about stuff, since they're not very active these days.
-
Sigh.... This world is going mad... You really can't deny that. Companies that we have looked to... Sony, and now TI (not quite as bad as Sony)...
IMO, TI is actually worse than Sony... The PS3 is still good for playing games (well, not now that PSN is down, but usually) but the Nspire is just crap.
-
Didn't Sony try to send C&D to jailbreaking software makers though?
-
Didn't Sony try to send C&D to jailbreaking software makers though?
Yeah, and TI tried to send DMCA notices when we hosted the signing keys. What Sony did was worse, though...
-
Yeah true, although they have yet to sue/send c&d/dmca notices for Ndless
-
Since I don't know french I don't visit TI-bank. Sometimes i give it a little peek though. But after all his contributions and such, this is very sad. But I must say that I understand Mic.
If he really wants to quit maybe he could let someone else take over. And then maybe, when things go a little better return?
This is sad, and I wish him good luck with everything.
-
I have primitive french knowledge, I mainly like the old OS downloads though. Better back 'em up!
-
Well, it was much too far, I was denounced by Univers TI-Nspire on my comments misconstrued (an outright accusation) and it wound up my direct professional hierarchy today.
I am personally attacked (only in order to discredit me and undermine the existence of the site viscerally envied by TI and Univers-TI) and I will never accept that.
I will make an announcement this evening to inform you of my decision.
Seems some people hates Mic and Ti-Bank :(
-
Yeah I saw and this is not the first time
We had a similar issue during a few months with some people from another IRC channel and someone from another, and I can tell you reading some comments that were said was disgusting, considering the hard work that was put into Omni. The main issue those few people had was that we were different from them and they wouldn't accept that. I do not name them because those people are big third-party calculator development supporters like us, unlike people on UTNS and the Google Group, but TI-BANK faces a similar issue right now, and I can see where Mic is coming from. It is no wonder that some TI-BANK contributors may have reacted harshly to some of the comments on UTNS/UTIN. The worst part now is that those people are attacking his job too. I wish Mic the best for his job and I hope he sticks around the community no matter what.
BTW The topic linked to in the news article was moved in the TI-BANK staff forum, so no one here can see it anymore. Mic also posted a similar message as above on UTIN/UTNS, but it was removed/hidden too.
-
It's ok now.
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1097
I just became the new TI-Bank administrator.
(the site is now too huge for a single "human")
Don't worry, I don't intend to close it, and hope we will go on working together, as Omnimaga is great too.
-
This is very good news!
And yes, it would be nice to see Omnimaga and Ti Bank work together :)
Good luck as admin Critor!
-
Good news!
I updated the news above with the info. Congrats to Critor for being admin. I wish the best of luck to you, Mic and the other TI-BANK staff. Hopefully TI-BANK can continue for many more years :D
It will be weird though to see your nickname in pink color on TI-BANK O.O
-
And by the way, thank you all for your support.
-
Congrats Critor and good luck as an admin
-
oh, please dont take it down, most of the cool nspire stuff has some from TI-Bank, shutting it down would let the teachers win :(
oh, it's safe?! Woot! And congrats on the admin status critor (I thought you were already admin though O-o)
-
I am thrilled to hear that TI-Bank is safe!!! :D
Congrats critor on becoming admin, I wish both you and Mic great success in the future! :)
-
It's great that TI-Bank is safe, and I hope that it continues to be such a contributing forum!
;D
EDIT: .me points at post title [/hint]
-
W00t critor is now admin, how reassuring :D
Well, I'm happy everything went fine. :)
-
oh, please dont take it down, most of the cool nspire stuff has some from TI-Bank, shutting it down would let the teachers win :(
oh, it's safe?! Woot! And congrats on the admin status critor (I thought you were already admin though O-o)
He was to the point he could post news and had the highest moderator position on the forums, but not literally access to everything.
-
This is great news. Good luck Critor. And I also wish the every best of luck to Mic.
-
UPDATE (May 13th 2011): Critor has taken over TI-BANK administration from now on. The original admin will remain around, but less active. This means that TI-BANK will remain online.
Thanks to Critor! TI-BANK is a great community and info portal (even if I rarely visit (language difference)).
-
Wonderful! Good luck as an admin, Critor, and thanks for keeping TI Bank safe! Wish Mic good luck for me as well. :)
-
Mic removed the news he posted yesterday evening ( http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1097 ), in which he made explicit apologies about his writings that could have been misinterpreted, and also made it official that critor was added as admin.
That's somewhat weird, because a blank news article does not help people understanding the events that occurred... and I don't think it's very kind to critor. Making it official that another admin (with full privileges, I mean - critor had already been peforming most of the newsing, file archiving and portal code fixing work for a while) was added to the team is usually an important event. Omnimaga mentions promotions and demotions of Coders of Tomorrow as well.
EDIT: added link.
-
Yeah I think the news should have been kept, because in it nothing bad was said, mostly apologies and it was actually convincing people that the site would be fine again. Now some people might ask why Mic isn't as active anymore.
-
Exactly.
-
Personally I would let it go, though, because if we keep jumping on him for every things he does that we disagree with, it could cause things to turn ugly again (like if everyone were against him all of a suddent). He had enough stuff to deal with.
-
Ah, I'm glad to hear things are well again at TI-Bank. I would also like to say congrats to Critor! =)
-
On a side note now there are plans to move TI-BANK forum from Forumotion/actif to a self-hosted PhpBB site. This would be hard and take a while, because it requires running a script that scans through the entire forum web pages then convert the posts to a MySQL database, and everyone's passwords would be reset, but it would be a good idea IMHO because they would be able to backup the forums themselves in case bad stuff happens and they would have more freedom in customizing it. Forumotion is a free forum hosting like Invisionfree, which won't provide db access to the users, but unlike Invisionfree, there is no possibility to purchase a conversion to IPB/PhpBB when you want to leave Forumotion, although at least unlike Invisionfree you are allowed to have a non-english site.
-
Sounds like a lot of work, but sounds like once that gets done everything'll be a lot easier to manage. Good luck!
-
They would just use a script to do that. The only problem is that it might overload the server so sometimes it might timeout.
-
It would definitely be good for them to be on a system where they can do backups. I hope their conversion (when it happens) goes smoothly.
-
Thank you for your support.
Yes, TI rewarded me for the 10 years I spent for TI-BANK with a slanderous denouncement. Not any contact with them still currently.
I wanted to defend a student punished by his teacher learning a TI-Nspire can stock texts after an exam... Pitiful. This has turned against me.
TI-BANK is still alive.
I wait now for a positive deserved consideration by TI for my 12 years work...
-
Thank you for your support.
Yes, TI rewarded me for the 10 years I spent for TI-BANK with a slanderous denouncement. Not any contact with them still currently.
I wanted to defend a student punished by his teacher learning a TI-Nspire can stock texts after an exam... Pitiful. This has turned against me.
TI-BANK is still alive.
I wait now for a positive deserved consideration by TI for my 12 years work...
Hi Mic, nice to see you here. I hope all goes well and wish you good luck. :)
-
Hey Mic, welcome to Omni. Really sucks what TI's been doing, so good luck :)
-
Mic!
Hi, and it's nice to see you Omni. I really appreciate all you've done for TI Bank, and am glad it's still up.
I wish you the best of luck with everything. :)
-
Hi mic hope you can do some nice things here also. You ave done an excellent job with TI-BANK
-
Yeah I agree. Without you, TI-BANK would never have existed and who knows if the French TI community would still be alive today. You did a great job in getting TI-BANK where it is now and it's sad that TI made it sound like otherwise. Welcome on the forums by the way. I wish you good luck on TI-BANK and your life in the future.
-
Hi everyone.
I thought it would never happen, but Mic has just deleted TI-Bank forum and Ti-Bank facebook page... :(
-
Yeah it's over....
I dont know what will happen with the portal tho...
I hope it's not going to disappear since there are great stuff hosted there...
-
Hi everyone.
I thought it would never happen, but Mic has just deleted TI-Bank forum and Ti-Bank facebook page... :(
(désolé comme il n'y a plus de forum je poste en français)
C'est vraiment Mic qui a fait ça ? Ou le mot de passe était le même et le hackeur a trouvé qu'il marchait pour les deux comptes ? Moi je n'en crois pas un mot.
-
Hi everyone.
I thought it would never happen, but Mic has just deleted TI-Bank forum and Ti-Bank facebook page... :(
(désolé comme il n'y a plus de forum je poste en français)
C'est vraiment Mic qui a fait ça ? Ou le mot de passe était le même et le hackeur a trouvé qu'il marchait pour les deux comptes ? Moi je n'en crois pas un mot.
I dont know
-
All I can say is that it's not me.
But we are all quite sure it's Mic.
-
All I can say is that it's not me.
But we are all quite sure it's Mic.
Ok...
Jimbauwens had a full backup until May, 13th.
It's a good start :)
-
All I can say is that it's not me.
But we are all quite sure it's Mic.
Could you send me a MP because I really don't understand what happened...
EDIT : or go to IRC french.
-
This friggin sucks. I saw the whole discussion/fight going on there and I didn't realize Mic was kinda like me, except that it seemed like he did not want to listen to anyone's advice. I wish he saw people as helpping him and the community. I'm really sad, because this was the most active french TI forum and now I wonder where the people will go... especially that in France you got a huge exam coming up.
To be honest when I read the discussion, though, I was worried this would happen. I hope you guys can manage to put it online again in some ways. Would it be illegal to host the forum content elsewhere if it's not yours?
(Kindermoumoute sinon tu peux aussi utiliser la section francophone ici en attendant, mais je ne vais pas souvent là-bas x.x)
-
I have a partial backup through a script (60%).
As it didn't reach 100%, I don't know if it is in a usable form.
-
We could rehost what we have about the Lua category on http://forum.inspired-lua.org
no ?
-
Just newsed about this:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1137
-
This is horrible. I hope you guys can bring TI-BANK back up and help mic out
-
Wait... what happened? I was just on TI-Bank... it still works...
-
We could rehost what we have about the Lua category on http://forum.inspired-lua.org
no ?
I can link there?
I'm not sure everyone would be ok with that.
-
Do you guys think ou will be able to get TI-BANK back up?
-
This royally sucks. I hope you guys can recover some of the data and pick the pieces back up. =/
-
This royally sucks. I hope you guys can recover some of the data and pick the pieces back up. =/
Jim Bauwens has a huge backup of the forum I think.
-
Didn't someone make a 100% backup of the board? It was dated from May 13th, but if it's full it would be nice.
Also there are several site backups because of the 500 Internal Server Errors last Fall, but I don't know how recent is the last one.
-
I think my backup is full, but I'm not 100% sure (Everything I tested looks ok).
I'll put it online soon.
Edit: Access it at tibank.bwns.be
-
I hope not too much was lost. maybe the backup critor was doing started with the most recent and has gotten all the stuff jimbauwens missed
-
Thanks Jim.
-
Wait... what happened? I was just on TI-Bank... it still works...
Not the TI-BANK forum though. That's gone :(
Jim, that be awesome.
-
Thanks Jim...
-
I hope no legal actions are taken or anything x.x. I'm a bit scared considering what was said on the thread on TI-BANK before it was deleted :/
-
Jim: Thanks. :)
Critor: I hope you and the other high-ups at TI Bank can get everything back online. It's a great site, and I hate to lose it. :-\
Mic (if you read this): Good luck. :) I'm not sure what happened to cause this, but I sincerely hope that everything you're involved in goes well.
-
No matter what Mic is trying to make people believe, there was no password hacking at all. Mic sent the passwords a while ago ;)
I guess that the password was changed about 2 weeks ago, after Mic started behaving silly, in order to prevent Mic from keeping damaging the main site. One of his silly actions was suppressing the news where he unambiguously announced that critor became the main admin of the site and would lead it from now on. He cannot suppress the screenshots of the news that have now been distributed by e-mail, though...
The fact is, the changed password control access to other passwords, and thereby to highly destructive actions. And Mic found about it precisely when trying to connect there - something which, as far as I understood, he has no business doing unless he was up to no good - thereby justifying, a posteriori the usefulness of protective measures against his ongoing madness.
There was, however, no way to prevent him (with founder rights) from deleting the forum - and sure enough, he went as far and as mad as doing it. 110K posts spanning many years, the largest and most helpful (to high-school / university users) French-speaking forum... gone, and during the yearly peak of activity due to the Baccalauréat, the exam gating the exit from high school / the entrance to higher education. Similar exams exist in other countries.
I know that Mic is not welcome on yAronet: his main account, and the clones he created over the years (but were usually detected due to the content of his posts) were banned. I've been attending yAronet since 2001, with a hole in 2003-2004: my experience with moderation on yAronet is that it's very lenient, but only occasionally unfair, and user bans are exceptional events. Chances are therefore significant that Mic really behaved wrong on the yAronet TI-68k section.
Mic keeps despising yAronet beyond reason: after becoming a moderator on the TI-68k section of the forum a couple weeks ago, and gaining access to the moderator section, I found a fairly recent interesting topic there. But I don't remember saving it...
Some people in the community don't like him at times, but the fact is, DJ is much more reasonable than Mic is: at least, DJ can listen to others and get a bit of a breather when something has set him off :)
[EDIT: seems like there's a single changed password, so "password(s)" -> "password".]
-
On Omnimaga, the main password gives access to the following: Hosting account+payment method+support ticket center+tutorials and Cpanel. Since the password is the same as FTP, this gives FTP access too. I am sure it's the same on other hosts too, or close. In Omni's case, access to FTP/MySQL is to update or add files or repair stuff, but it can also allow to delete stuff. Admins here generally only access those places to add things on the servers such as the post statistic graph. Everything else is done via the forums or upload forms. Since I am personally not mentally stable, during hard times I considered deleting the site before too, like during the nDoom invasion incident, but admins prevented me from doing so and locked my access down. However I understood they did that to protect the site, myself and the community, and thus, to help me, not to steal the site or something. The only time where I got pissed at such thing was due to someone wanting to undo every IRC ban set on trolls and spammers, but that was a long while ago. I wish Mic understood Critor and others only wished the best for TI-BANK... :(
Anyway I'M not really one to talk, given what happened to Omni a few years ago (although the 2nd time it was pretty much inevitable Omni was doomed no matter if the site content remains or not, since back then the entire TI community turned against us for banning rude/troll members), and I prefer to not say too much about other people in public (although given the behavior from the person that deleted the site, it brought me back some memories of another person on yN that got banned in 2004 and 2007 who got the same first name as myself, when that person kept falsely accusing others of all kind of things), considering their past contributions in the community, but I still wish he saw Critor's move as nothing malicious and only to protect the french TI community. Now we all wonder what is gonna be the future of TI-BANK... :/
-
This is very sad. I hope that there is a way to fix this all, and that Mic will understand that it's for the best.
-
"charognard", whom I'd categorize as a "gentle troll", has created a board at the same address pretty soon after Mic's destruction.
In case Forumactif keeps a backup of the contents of a forum for a little while after its deletion (we don't know), if this new forum replaces the backups of the old one (assuming they exist), creating a new forum at the same address can do more harm than good.
EDIT for making my previous post more precise: Mic has the passwords for the FTP and SQL server, they weren't changed; what he cannot do is to change them at will, because he doesn't have the password for the appropriate page. But he can damage the site - and unfortunately, given his behaviour in the past few weeks, he cannot be trusted not to do so...
Should the FTP and SQL passwords be changed ? Almost certainly not, since he'd attack critor through legal means for doing so.
-
Now when you go to http://ti-bank.fr you don't get linked to http://ti.bank.free.fr but to a dictionary describing the meaning of the word "usurpation".
Mic is probably really upset because his website is "stolen". I can understand this, but he must know we just don't want that he does anything bad to the website.
Also, is the reason Mic deleted the forum because of the occasion when he was defending someone with an nspire: http://ourl.ca/10944/213901 , or has it to do with other stuff.
-
It's now official that after Mic's destruction of the Facebook page, the ongoing Facebook contest, where TI-Bank partnered with the Jarrety TI retailer for offering a 84+SE and a Nspire as prize, is suspended: http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1140 .
Mic is completely destroying the site's reputation and usefulness. That's mind-blowingly stupid, childish and destructive of him, and will only lead to his complete eviction from the entire TI community...
Stefan: his site is not stolen, since he has full access to the FTP and SQL servers, and can modify the contents at will - I edited my previous post shortly after you wrote your own, not knowing you had posted ;)
Therefore, for now, the others who have the password can still undo damages that Mic may perform.
Mic started to be out of his mind precisely after he attacked one of his teacher colleagues, which could have been bad for his own career as a teacher. critor and Levak moderated him for his own good. Then Mic announced unambiguously, on the front TI-Bank page that critor would now lead the site; but Mic soon reneged his post and actively sought erasing all traces thereof. Things went downhill from that starting point, and reached the bottomless pit everyone can now see for themselves.
-
This seems horrible. I feel sorry for mic, but he should not have done what he did. I hope he doesn't get hurt too much since he seems to have been a great member of the TI community
-
Attached is a screenshot of the state of the TI-Bank portal around 2 p.m. CEST. As you can see at the bottom left, the moderation team has basically been destroyed.
And it's pretty fishy that the number of readings on the http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1140 news has decreased (it was ~20, it's now 7)... that would indicate ongoing direct action in the database.
-
Mic, sole owner of a zombie site...
Oh, and http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1140 was, in fact, outright erased. It's now http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1141 . This explains the drop in readings count I mentioned above.
Who knows how many iterations of this news will be deleted...
-
This is very sad. All I can say is: Mic, PLEASE don't do it.
-
Stefan: his site is not stolen, since he has full access to the FTP and SQL servers, and can modify the contents at will - I edited my previous post shortly after you wrote your own, not knowing you had posted ;)
Can't the FTP password be changed through a "passwd" command in the FTP console?
-
in linux, mac or windows command prompt :
ftp [server]
user
oldpassword
pwd [newpassword]
quit
and that's it.
-
So he can change the FTP password (and maybe it's linked to the SQL password too).
-
He deleted again the Jarrety related news .
Who shall win ?
-
Woah. This is far worse than DJ's attempts to take Omnimaga down.
Did you made backups? And did you made sure Mic isn't mentally unstable IRL?
-
I don't know about the latter. I think it's more life issues, but it seems also that once he is convinced of something, he doesn,t change his mind no matter how hard people try to. After this happened, I was sure he would kinda regret the site shut down and that everything would cool down, with talks about putting it back online, but from what I see it is not the case. To be honest I wonder if at this point discussion shouldn't just move towards what name and URL should the new site use? Because it looks like the future of TI-BANK community now lies into a new site ran and founded by Critor, Adriweb, etc, including all the program and tutorials they added themselves on TI-BANK. I'm sad to see how things went...
-
I won't do anything, but if you have important things on TI-Bank, you should download them as soon as possible.
You should not use a program to download massively: the site is protected against those kinds of things.
-
Yeah I remember that protection against repeated downloads a few weeks ago due to some download stats being inflated (and overloading the site?).
I personally got my games there, but all are on Omni too.
-
I guess I will download the TNOC stuff and Nspire tools :)
-
Mic censured my comments x)
Cool, now I wan't to flood.
-
X.x
But now the thing is Mic decided to go with the default PwsPHP forum software system. http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=forum
The advantage is not being forced to sign up two accounts, but the problem is: Wasn't that system extremly buggy? ??? Critor kept saying the Casio-BANK one was a huge mess.
-
I also saw that he posted some(2 or so) new news articles. I guess he isn't planning (anymore) to delete(if he ever was) TI-BANK. So that's good.
-
So that's good.
Because he can't. He hasn't got the main password. He deleted what he could delete : the forum. And that's definitivly not good.
-
Well the issue though is that certain news were deleted. It seems some Critor news were deleted by Mic and Mic reposted them himself. I don't want to speculate too much, but I wonder if he's trying to prevent the usage of those news elsewhere if Critor, Levak and Adriweb decided for example to start TI-BANK II, for example?
Also what will happen of the affiliation with TI-BANK and TI for the Lua tool, now that the ones in charge of testing it no longer have powers on TI-BANK? Will TI be fine just with the Lua wiki?
-
So that's good.
Because he can't. He hasn't got the main password. He deleted what he could delete : the forum. And that's definitivly not good.
But I notice there's again a forum(see DJ_O's post).
-
Yeah he deleted the one hosted on Forumotion/actif, then hosted one himself on TI-BANK.
-
Well the issue though is that certain news were deleted. It seems some Critor news were deleted by Mic and Mic reposted them himself.
Which ones, please?
-
Yeah he deleted the one hosted on Forumotion/actif, then hosted one himself on TI-BANK.
Is it the same forum, just implanted in TI-Bank itself? Or is it another one?
-
It's an empty forum.
-
Well the issue though is that certain news were deleted. It seems some Critor news were deleted by Mic and Mic reposted them himself.
Which ones, please?
The TVA-related one you posted right before this one: http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1129
I am certain I remember you posting a news announcing the TVA refund prior that. But I can't find it listed there.
@Stefan Bauwens it's a new forum. It just uses Pwsphp CMS instead of a third-party PHPBB forum hosting provider.
-
Well the issue though is that certain news were deleted. It seems some Critor news were deleted by Mic and Mic reposted them himself.
Which ones, please?
The TVA-related one you posted right before this one: http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1129
I am certain I remember you posting a news announcing the TVA refund prior that. But I can't find it listed there.
It's unacceptable...
-
DJ: yes, the PwsPHP CMS is buggy, and has probably, on average, as many security holes as the rest of the site. Despite critor's improvements to the code base.
I hadn't noticed that Mic had replaced the link to Tama's forum by the link to the brand-new internal forum. How terribly stupid.
Stefan: you don't seem to understand the level of madness that Mic is in ;)
He has changed his mind so many times during the two past weeks that he can't be trusted for anything.
Mic can erase the site's contents, but others can override him and undo his damage. But as I wrote above, it's a fact that he tried to get into the situation where nobody can override him anymore - that's how he noticed that the main password had been changed to protect the site. Such protection was fully justified...
And yeah, Mic is reposting news previously posted by critor, without even referencing them: http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1144 is a repost of http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1106 .
If there is a way to get the root, original site owner (which is neither Mic, who has entirely lost any credibility, trustworthiness and legitimacy, nor critor) to overthrow Mic, by all means, let's use it to end Mic's destruction madness !
Of course, after that, he'd probably make computer attacks on TI-Bank so that it dies anyway: DDoS, or more targetted exploits on the code base. One of the yAronet people recently reminded me that Mic tried performing DDoS on TI-FR several years ago (but it's not even for that reason that he got banned from yAronet).
-
I just registered at TI-Bank, but apparently my account has to be approved by an admin. So, can anybody of you do that? :)
I would like to post a reply to Mic.
-
Stefan: it's likely that you'd waste your time. Remember, in the past few days, he's been deleting posts and comments where the poster showed disagreement with his behaviour.
For example, Levak's comment, in http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1144 , is probably going to be deleted.
-
I just registered at TI-Bank, but apparently my account has to be approved by an admin. So, can anybody of you do that? :)
I would like to post a reply to Mic.
Done =)
-
Stefan: it's likely that you'd waste your time. Remember, in the past few days, he's been deleting posts and comments where the poster showed disagreement with his behaviour.
For example, Levak's comment, in http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1144 , is probably going to be deleted.
I'm going to write it in a way that he won't (probably) feel attacked. It's worth a shot.
Also, Mic isn't the founder of TI-BANK?
EDIT: Thanks Levak. :)
-
Also, Mic isn't the founder of TI-BANK?
Yes he is. But during the past 2 years he didn't get involved in the community and now that TI-Bank evolves without him, he doesn't like (said by my own words, imagine the same with more conviction x) )
-
But didn't Mic leave, and let Critor become admin? If so, Mic doesn't have that much to decide, right?
-
This what he said. As said before, he changed his mind multiple times (and removed the associated news he psoted), then said that it was an usurpation and so and so ... like if he can't read, like if he lost memory, like if he was hypocritical
-
This what he said. As said before, he changed his mind multiple times (and removed the associated news he psoted), then said that it was an usurpation and so and so ... like if he can't read, like if he lost memory, like if he was hypocritical
That IS a bit weird. Do you know how he's doing in real life?
EDIT: It looks like your post is gone Levak. Mine isn't gone though(yet?).
-
Yeah, and I got banned... I restored it.
You see now the deal ? =)
-
DJ: yes, the PwsPHP CMS is buggy, and has probably, on average, as many security holes as the rest of the site. Despite critor's improvements to the code base.
I hadn't noticed that Mic had replaced the link to Tama's forum by the link to the brand-new internal forum. How terribly stupid.
Yeah security breaches were my main worry. TI-BANK used to use the default forum system in 2005 before switching to Forumotion. I think it was obvious something was wrong with Pwsphp Board to force mic to switch to another software.
I wish Mic saw critor taking over site management as helping him and continuing his legacy. I mean I am happy a bunch of staff here continues keeping Omni active while I am less present. I would hate it if they just let the site die like the previous team we had around 2007.
Also Lionel your idea wouldn't work because Mic is the one who created the site, back when it was still called TI89Prog, in 2002. I think the only solution right now is to restart a new site where you guys got entire control and not Mic, but then you will lose a lot of visitors due to the URL change... (I could at least help setting it up if you used Simplemachines, though, then you boot me)
-
He deleted my account \o/
-
-.-
Personally I wouldn't waste my time anymore. :P
/me would like some Make3D updates <_<
-
-.-
Personally I wouldn't waste my time anymore. :P
Epic battle : Me(SQL injections) vs Mic
Result : managed to bug Mic's forum
Mic deleted and banned me 15 times
He finally created another account "Levak" with [email protected] x)
(I restored mine)
/me would like some Make3D updates <_<
got exams and lectures during 3 weeks. Have to wait :p
edit : And now it is gone "maintenance" \o/ I win \o/
http://ti.bank.free.fr/
edit2 : Back ... but what is he doing tho ?
-
He finally created another account "Levak" with [email protected] x)
Rofl ;D
-
You should calm down Levak...
Please for your own sake and future, don't do anything illegal.
-
Oh god, just install a real phpBB already. And seems jimbauwens was able to quit the maintenance mode, odd.
-
403 Forbidden :
http://ti.bank.free.fr/
-
It was probably pure coincidence, Mic probably disabled it at the same time.
-
403 Forbidden :
http://ti.bank.free.fr/
I don't have 403. Maybe Mic has banned your ip ?
-
403 Forbidden :
http://ti.bank.free.fr/
I don't have 403. Maybe Mic has banned your ip ?
you right -_-
-
I feel kind of naive asking this, but does anyone know why Mic is doing this?
I'm not trying to condone Mic's actions or offend anyone in any way, but I'm kind of a bit concerned about Mic right now...
-
Ask him. He surely will answer "for the community". Hypocritical...
-
Ask him? How?
-
[email protected]
-
Oh, okay. Would he be offended if I write in English?
-
He will not answer, certainly ...
-
Please calm down people.
Don't contact Mic about this for now.
-
In fact, I even think that we should stop mentionning his nick publicly, or asking such kind of things.
All important facts have been reported, the rest is speculation and won't help with anything.
-
You're right.
Very sorry, critor :(
-
I agree with critor. Let's not drop ourselves to his level. Attacks against the site would either cause legal actions to be taken or even a retaliation, if the person works that way. Also if I was you I would not contact him either. He's angry at some people and he also got school exams soon.
Also regardless of this whole matter or not, regardless of if things would be resolved or not, I think in the future it would be a good idea to maybe move to a different site system, although I understand you did a lot of work to make it more stable in overall. I don't know if PHPBB has a portal and download mod, but SMF got some, although Omni download mod is more limited than TI-BANK's and has bugs with the custom profile fields. This would have to be done later if it did, though, because of exams mentionned above.
-
Mic is having a crisis again in public right now, in the comments of critor's two news about the 84+ Pocket.fr... If he keeps going on like that, he's really going to kill the site's reputation for good, soon after erasing the forum...
-
Yeah I noticed, not to mention the constant criticism on critor news and posts today...
I can't wait til the BAC is finished to see what will happen. The site is kinda on artificial life right now to not cause issues to visitors needing school programs, but I am really curious what will happen after school ends. I guess we'll have to wait, but still, remember to backup your comments/programs in case.
-
Another news (well, at least one) is going awry today...
-
They're sure breaking records in amount of news comments per news now O.O
That said, I think the end wasn't as bad as last time, though. I wonder if things will get fine again soon...
-
Hope so. TI.BANK's a really valuable part of the TI community, as we've seen with all these awesome Nspire utils they keep turning out. Hope everything goes well with the site and the members/admins there too.
-
Well, do you really think it can go well as long as Mic keeps behaving like that ?
-
I meant in his last few posts he didn't seem as bad as earlier yesterday or the day before. If he improves, it should work. However, I have doubts, because sometimes he seems fine then a week later he flips again. I don't really like to talk about people like that but he's doing stuff that harms the community, so it is kinda frustrating, plus everyday we never know if tomorrow TI-BANK will still be intact or not.
-
After being mostly quiet for maybe a couple weeks, our beloved friend Mic is at it again, slandering his favorite targets once again with the usual crap, despite the hard work (days of full-time work) of said persons to restore the site that he damaged at the end of May...
His targets are being very patient with him, but chances are that Mic will exceed their threshold of tolerance to disrespect and slander... and TI-Bank would immediately die without critor, Levak, AdRiWeB and several others. Nobody would fill in the gaping hole, because nobody in their right mind would want to work with Mic...
-
Hmm, this is not nice :(
Do you know what triggered it this time?
-
And he's at it again, insulting and slandering others through (not so) private means of communication... and once again unprovoked, AFAICT. He's out of his mind.
-
This is really sad :(
Its a good think though that the forum is safe now...
-
The forum is not really safe: he has fully erased my account and posts.
-
Yeah, he still can do that.
But my point is that its not like the other time, where to forum was not so easy to backup.
Anyway, I almost can't understand how he doesn't see that you guys are just trying to help him. I don't know all his details though. I think he just doesn't want to lose his power, and sees Critor as a threat.
-
Well, there are certainly enough backups to set up a mirror elsewhere if need be.
-
In http://ti.bank.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=114186#p114186 , critor posted:
Suite à plusieurs retours de messages, il semble que j'ai fait l'objet d'une véritable campagne de diffamation via la messagerie privée du site ce matin.
Ce n'est pas parce que la personne à l'origine de ces pratiques est persuadée d'avoir raison qu'elles en sont d'avantage légales. Heureusement pour cette personne que je ne suis pas procédurier.
Ce comportement doit cesser au plus tôt. J'appelle à un peu plus de dignité et de courage. Seuls les lâches et les hypocrites poignardent dans le dos.
which translates to
After receiving multiple message reports, [I see that] it seems that I have been the target of a very real slander campaign through the site's PM system, this morning.
That the person responsible for this sort of actions is persuaded to be right, does not increase the legality [of such actions]. Fortunately for that person, I'm not eager to trigger legal proceedings.
This behaviour needs to stop ASAP. I request more dignity and courage. Only cowards and hypocrites stab in the back.
I was one of the recipients of Mic's slanderous message, so I can testify that it's slanderous. And unsurprisingly, since I was far from siding with him, Mic didn't like my reply. He then pretexted that I had posted his real name in a public message (which I did, to ask him to stop misbehaving) to erase my account and posts. What's silly is that his real name is visible on lots of pages of the site...
-
I've decided to temporarily stop every code & design development on the TI-Bank web site and announced it publicly.
http://ti.bank.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=114189#p114189
-
This makes TI-Bank, which had grown to be, by far, the leading French-speaking website and forum, a giant step closer to the grave: critor did the bulk of the work on healing the limited and highly insecure TI-Bank website, the bulk of news posting and significant amounts of archive processing work over the past couple years.
Congratulations go to Mic for the feat of destroying, in a couple months, the site he created back in the day, and which other persons (mainly) had grown to be highly useful and successful.
As sad as it is, the question mark of this topic's title ought to be removed, and perhaps replaced by an exclamation mark...
-
Hmm, this is really not nice :(
Thanks Critor for all your hard work, and your patience!
-
EDIT: things have smoothed out quite a lot in a ~1h40 discussion on the chat at the top of the TI-Bank forum, between mainly Mic, his girlfriend (not logged in), critor and myself (not logged in either) :)
The logs are at an URL such as http://ti.bank.free.fr/forum/chat/?view=logs , but this requires an account, AFAICS.
A high altitude summary of the discussion: critor has explained once more, and probably a bit differently, how events unfolded in the few days after Mic posted a message that could (in the opinion, between others, critor, who is teacher as well) have had a negative impact on his career as a teacher. And Mic understood that critor was not up to any evil against him.
-
Wow, good news!
Thanks for reporting!
-
That's good. :) I hope critor and mic both learn to work together again, like the good days. :)
-
He is back ...
... Bets are open
-
Not again? >_<
-
What about to say about Casio-bank, too...
-
:(
-
Damn not again, also the message that he posted earlier today sounded like trolling x.x
-
like trolling x.x
like trolling ?
or only trolling ?
-
(Je voulais dire que certains de ses messages aujourd'hui ressemblaient à du troll.)
-
(Je voulais dire que certains de ses messages aujourd'hui ressemblait à du troll)
(c'est bien ce que j'essayais de répondre :D : "ressemblaient" ? ou "étaient" du troll ? :D)
-
"ressemblaient". J'ignore si c'était pour provoquer Critor délibérément ou si c'était juste un pétage de plomb du a quelque chose qui s'est passé en privé.
(I say above that I am unsure if the posts were to provocate critor deliberately or if they were simply said out of anger due to other things that happened in private)
-
Oh yeah, I know that you are unsure. It's an ironical tone that I bring with this incertitude. I mean, that it is closer to a troll than a rage. Mic bears a grudge against Critor even though he knows that Critor did "that" for him.
-
Yeah normally the posts looked more like a blow up (like me when I blow up, except I usually end up just flooding), but now today it looked like trolls, since there didn't seem to be any justification for the posts. X.x
Also I can't imagine how much it must suck for Critor considering all the hard work he gave to TI-BANK and the community.
-
So, in the past two weeks:
* the Free.fr hosting provider disabled the site for days for multiple reasons, one of them being the resource consumption (number of files);
* the TI-Planet ( http://tiplanet.org , http://ti-planet.org ) site was created as a complete, and improved (more secure, for one thing !), replacement of TI-Bank;
* sure enough, Mic, in his latest burst of spite and disregard for the community, has requested that all of his posts and news be removed from TI-Planet...
On Univers TI-Nspire (TI's official Nspire-related French-speaking forum), Mic keeps acting like if he still had any bit of relevance and importance in a community from which he excluded himself, over the last few months, due to his unacceptable behaviour. He doesn't seem to have understood yet that he has zero chances to recruit people to side with him, and that the more he behaves stupid, the more isolated he will be.
Over the last few months, Mic has shown himself very much better at speaking (threatening, making noise, slandering) than at doing something...
TI-Bank has served the community well, as long as his founder was sane... but it's now left without:
* the files (Free specifically requested to remove many files);
* the news (the vast majority of them, lately, were posted by critor), because Mic slandered critor once again and it's unlikely that critor will feel like letting Mic keep his news on his dead site;
* the forum (which, as mentioned above, was critor's work, after Mic erased the ForumActif one), for the same reason.
In other words, TI-Bank is now a completely empty clamshell and is therefore dead for good. TI-Planet (http://tiplanet.org) is the present and future.
And we should probably just close this topic, shouldn't we ?
-
locked.