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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on February 01, 2011, 03:19:11 pm

Title: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 01, 2011, 03:19:11 pm
After Martin Poupe's Casio FX-9860 SD video player (http://ourl.ca/8385), here comes a TI-84 Plus one by Thepenguin77! It doesn't natively supports sound but if you have two calculators you can convert sound files to audio format and use his TruSound application and simplay play the video on one calc and the audio on the other simultaneously, as demonstrated in his Youtube video below:



You can download video and audio examples below, but we recommend backing everything up before installing the video on a real calculator, because it still has some stability issues:

Video data (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwCVAkfyn6_vNGJiZTlkNzgtYmYwYS00ZTg3LTgzMzUtMzg4MmU4ODZjZTRi&hl=en)
Video player (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwCVAkfyn6_vMGU2ZDFiOGEtOTQ1ZS00NGE3LThmMmMtZGM2MTkwZjY1MmQ5&hl=en)
Audio player+data (https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BwCVAkfyn6_vZTYwMTdlZGQtZjFhYi00MDA0LTgxZjQtMWY4YzJiYTgzYThj&hl=en)

The discussion topic can be found here (http://ourl.ca/8984).

Meanwhile, apcalc is working on a video player as well, but for the TI-Nspire. An extremly large animated screenshot (4.3 MB) is located here (http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/NSPIREVIDEO0006.gif) and the topic about the video player can be found here (http://ourl.ca/9022). No download is available yet, though.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Fast Crash on February 01, 2011, 04:19:05 pm
on-calc rickroll  :love:
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Galandros on February 01, 2011, 04:27:39 pm
Goodness, you really had to do it sometime for real. >:D
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Deep Toaster on February 01, 2011, 04:28:44 pm
Epic. The graphics are incredible. And it's got the sound and everything. And even then, the speed...

EDIT: Does it really have sound, though?
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Fast Crash on February 01, 2011, 04:42:35 pm
there is only the video. The sound comes from the other calc using trusound
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: kalan_vod on February 01, 2011, 04:45:17 pm
Wow, the video is great! And the sound is as well!
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Michael_Lee on February 01, 2011, 06:05:50 pm
Wait - it's possible to get that high quality sound from a calc?  If I were to plug in my headphones to the calculator running trusound then started the program, I would be able to hear sound of enough quality to be able to distinguish words?  I always thought calculators could only manage retro-style beeping noises.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: souvik1997 on February 01, 2011, 06:18:08 pm
This is awesome! I wonder how large the videos are on-calc, though. :P
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 01, 2011, 10:42:21 pm
The 84+ one is 1.2 MB I think. In other words, pretty huge. However with some compression they are probably reasonable in terms of size. Personally I wouldn't mind 6 FPS and drawing every two row for a calc movie, considering it's just a calc after all.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: apcalc on February 01, 2011, 10:46:09 pm
The 84+ one is 1.2 MB I think. In other words, pretty huge. However with some compression they are probably reasonable in terms of size. Personally I wouldn't mind 6 FPS and drawing every two row for a calc movie, considering it's just a calc after all.

Right now, with the Nspire player, I am only drawing 1/5th of the frames produced by SUPER, and I can just barley notice a difference from when I played every frame.  Doing this has drastically cut the size of the video files, without using any actual compression techniques.  I wonder what it would look like if I only drew like every 10th frame?  I'll have to try that now :)  (New Video time!)
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Ranman on February 01, 2011, 10:46:27 pm
This is outstanding Thepenguin77!

Any plans to incorporate TruSound and the video player?

Ranman amazed!
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: calcdude84se on February 01, 2011, 10:46:44 pm
Wait - it's possible to get that high quality sound from a calc?  If I were to plug in my headphones to the calculator running trusound then started the program, I would be able to hear sound of enough quality to be able to distinguish words?  I always thought calculators could only manage retro-style beeping noises.
Yep, we can get high-quality sound. At the expense of space, of course. :D
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: kalan_vod on February 01, 2011, 11:26:46 pm
Wait - it's possible to get that high quality sound from a calc?  If I were to plug in my headphones to the calculator running trusound then started the program, I would be able to hear sound of enough quality to be able to distinguish words?  I always thought calculators could only manage retro-style beeping noises.

Yes, RealSound does this. I have not used TrueSound before
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: thepenguin77 on February 01, 2011, 11:30:48 pm
TruSound was just my attempt to get sound to work on calculators missing the extra ram pages. (Actually, it was the final product of my older, never released sound programs, of which the first was 1 bit sound). Also, I don't like to use things I didn't make, so I wouldn't let myself use a sound program that wasn't created by me.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 01, 2011, 11:45:57 pm
Wait - it's possible to get that high quality sound from a calc?  If I were to plug in my headphones to the calculator running trusound then started the program, I would be able to hear sound of enough quality to be able to distinguish words?  I always thought calculators could only manage retro-style beeping noises.

Yes, RealSound does this. I have not used TrueSound before
Yeah the issue was that in 2007 TI changed the TI-84 hardwares, removing 80 KB of extra RAM from  the 128 KB in it. However, we only discovered this in late 2009, after many people couldn't run TI-Boy SE on their calc. These people couldn't run RealSound, MSD8x, Omnicalc virtual calc/restoremem and other programs using the extra pages either. Thepenguin77 basically made a sound player that runs on calc that only have 48 KB of RAM instead of 128.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: qazz42 on February 02, 2011, 08:32:14 am
excuse my language but this is FUCKING AWESOME. I CANNOT wait until I get to school and show of this epicness!!!!!!!!!! Now to wait for it to have sound :P
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Admiral-Bell on February 07, 2011, 11:08:25 pm
Hey, I saw this and thought this was so amazing I had to join and say so. But, Just one quick question. The video file is 3 MB in size. The TI-84+SE only has 2 MB on memory. How did you get it on your calculator?
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 07, 2011, 11:10:41 pm
Heya and welcome here! I hope you enjoy the forums. :)

8xk files are generally twice larger on the computer than the calculator. On the computer they are in hexadecimal format, while on the calculator they're squished into machine language. This basically means that the video is twice smaller on-calc. In this case, if I remember, it's 1.3 MB large (although on the calc it only displays 6 of the digits).
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Admiral-Bell on February 07, 2011, 11:41:23 pm
Thanks a lot!
Now I just need to go get myself a Silver edition, my regular TI-84 plainly isn't up to the task.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 07, 2011, 11:42:58 pm
Yeah a regular 84+ will only be suitable for extremly short videos and music files. There's always MSD8X but it won,t work on most newer 84+ calculators.

Of course there's always Mobiletunes and such music softwares, but if you want real music then you pretty much need a TI-84 plus SE. :P
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: willrandship on February 07, 2011, 11:46:04 pm
Don't all original 84+s have all 128K? I thought it was just SEs that could have it be missing...
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 07, 2011, 11:49:02 pm
Nah, the newer 84+ calcs also got missing RAM.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: z80man on February 07, 2011, 11:50:56 pm
Don't all original 84+s have all 128K? I thought it was just SEs that could have it be missing...
You're thinking of ram. Ti-84's made after 2007 have less ram. what was it like 48k.

@Admiral-Bell be sure to introduce yourself in the introduce yourself forum if you plan on remaining active here  ;D
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Admiral-Bell on February 08, 2011, 01:50:15 am
@Admiral-Bell be sure to introduce yourself in the introduce yourself forum if you plan on remaining active here  ;D
Thanks, I just did.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: qazz42 on February 08, 2011, 04:03:54 pm
Yeah a regular 84+ will only be suitable for extremly short videos and music files. There's always MSD8X but it won,t work on most newer 84+ calculators.

Of course there's always Mobiletunes and such music softwares, but if you want real music then you pretty much need a TI-84 plus SE. :P

wait, wha? msd8x does not work on new calcs? I never knew that D:

sad :(
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: JosJuice on February 09, 2011, 01:32:19 am
Yeah a regular 84+ will only be suitable for extremly short videos and music files. There's always MSD8X but it won,t work on most newer 84+ calculators.

Of course there's always Mobiletunes and such music softwares, but if you want real music then you pretty much need a TI-84 plus SE. :P

wait, wha? msd8x does not work on new calcs? I never knew that D:

sad :(
Yeah, it's the same RAM page problem as TI-Boy SE and Omnicalc.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: z80man on February 09, 2011, 01:37:03 am
If you buy a TI-83+ SE does it still come with the 128k of ram? Does TI still sell the TI-83+ SE
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: JosJuice on February 09, 2011, 01:47:42 am
If you buy a TI-83+ SE does it still come with the 128k of ram? Does TI still sell the TI-83+ SE
All 83+SEs have 128 KB RAM, but I don't think TI sells them anymore.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: leafy on February 09, 2011, 02:01:07 am
I was lucky to inherit my bro's old calc which had the RAM that TI took out in the later versions :)
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: critor on February 09, 2011, 04:52:22 am
If you buy a TI-83+ SE does it still come with the 128k of ram? Does TI still sell the TI-83+ SE
All 83+SEs have 128 KB RAM, but I don't think TI sells them anymore.

83+SE were discontinued as of june 2008.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: calc84maniac on February 09, 2011, 01:25:49 pm
Do you think that TI-83+SE's were still being produced till then, or were they just selling out their stock? I thought they stopped making TI-83+SE once the TI-84+ came out.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Deep Toaster on February 09, 2011, 07:41:52 pm
Do you think that TI-83+SE's were still being produced till then, or were they just selling out their stock? I thought they stopped making TI-83+SE once the TI-84+ came out.

In any case TI isn't selling them (officially) anymore :(
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: ztrumpet on February 09, 2011, 07:54:54 pm
I bought mine last year on ebay. :)
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: FinaleTI on February 09, 2011, 07:57:17 pm
I bought mine last year on ebay. :)
Same here. Of course mine has a pesky hardware glitch, though...
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 17, 2011, 11:37:31 pm
Do you think that TI-83+SE's were still being produced till then, or were they just selling out their stock? I thought they stopped making TI-83+SE once the TI-84+ came out.
In North America, the TI-83 Plus Silver Edition was discontinued during Summer 2004, immediately after the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition came out. They still sold replacement parts for a while, though. It was the shortest-lived calc in the market, I think, besides the TI-Nspire Clickpad/CAS Clickpad.

The TI-83+SE was pretty much a TI-84+SE that looks like a TI-83 Plus but is transparent and lacked an USB port and a clock.
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Sc_lou on February 18, 2013, 09:19:55 am
 ???
How to convert a video to .8xk format?
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: annoyingcalc on February 18, 2013, 03:06:09 pm
google  this "omnimaga Truvid thepenguin77"
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Sc_lou on February 19, 2013, 03:34:54 am
google  this "omnimaga Truvid thepenguin77"
Sorry,I can't find out the method of converting a video…
I can only find the example videos…
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 19, 2013, 03:46:15 am
It might be somewhere in his topic, but I don't recall where. Truvid is the name of his video player so if there is a readme.txt available it might explain it in detail. I will try to find the program.

Welcome here by the way! :)

EDIT: Here is Truvid link but watch out because this page takes a long while to load: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/441/44100.html

And the discussion topic http://ourl.ca/1197905
Title: Re: TI-84 Plus & TI-Nspire video players in the works
Post by: Sc_lou on February 19, 2013, 04:26:49 am
Quote from: thepenguin77
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converting a video
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THX!Found!