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Title: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 09:58:12 am: (http://www.omnimaga.org/images/screenshots/ti84seDiscontinued.gif)

Sad news...

TI US/Canada web site hasn't annouced it yet, but according to TI-Germany and TI-Swiss web sites, the TI-84+SE has been discontinued. :'(

The TI-84+SE had 1.5Mb archive memory. The basic TI-84+ only has 480Kb... If this is not enough, the only choice remaining is the TI-Nspire.

Another action from TI in order to force users to the Nspire technology.

Too bad they try to sell more TI-Nspire calculators, not by improving the Nspire OS, but by discontinuing other calculators, so that the Nspire will remain the only choice. >:(

More information in the TI-Bank news:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=868

Link to the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition page from Swiss, in French:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html

UPDATE by DJ Omnimaga (October 4th 2010): It seems all the production stoppages were removed altogether. Was this a mistake? Did someone from the US/Canada division of TI thought it was an error and edited them back even if it is not an error? Or... are Texas Instruments just unable to make up their mind?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Broseph Radson on September 30, 2010, 10:03:35 am: >:( Oh, its on. Its on now. >:(

This sucks.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ikkerens on September 30, 2010, 10:06:28 am: They want war?
They shall get one.
(I'l bring the huge poster with "The Game." on it, who brings the toilet paper?)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Broseph Radson on September 30, 2010, 10:07:39 am: Im calling Rick Astley as we speak. Hes gonna give you a live performance.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 10:14:43 am: WHAT

...

please tell me this is april 1 :(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 10:25:13 am: Quote from: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 10:14:43 am
WHAT

...

please tell me this is april 1 :(

No it isn't, sorry...

Here are the official pages:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DEUTSCHLAND/productDetail/de_ti84pse.html
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Happybobjr on September 30, 2010, 10:28:33 am: ! this is just rediculous. Why stop selling there best calc?

Maybe most of their programers that know how to use the 84 left?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 10:38:45 am: Quote from: happybobjr on September 30, 2010, 10:28:33 am
! this is just rediculous. Why stop selling there best calc?

Juste read or translate the TI-Bank news...
The reason is very simple: to make the TI-Nspire the "best calc", once all other good calcs will have been discontinued.

http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=868

No surprise the swiss TI-84+SE page links to the TI-Nspire...

Quote from: TI Swiss
TI-84 Plus Silver Edition

Principales fonctionnalités
Production arrêtée!
Nous vous proposons à la place toute notre gamme de calculatrices graphiques ou passez à la technologie TI-Nspire™!
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html

The end of the TI-z80... has begun... :'(
Today is a very sad day...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: willrandship on September 30, 2010, 11:15:38 am: Well, their calc was seriously outdated and overpriced......

If they start supporting asm on the nspire, I won't feel as bad. Still, very surprising, considering how many add-ons are 84+ specific. They probably make a 95% profit on each ti-84+ they sell. (z80s in 2010? Come on now!)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Broseph Radson on September 30, 2010, 11:22:46 am: The only problem is that the nspire doesnt use the z80, so assembly for it would be different.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Raylin on September 30, 2010, 11:26:27 am: Verified. I can't buy the calc online.

Ladies and gentlemen, the TI-84+ SE has officially been discontinued.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 11:38:00 am: Does that mean Omni will need more Nspire coders?

Oh well, my classmates don't care about their calcs at all, I got a 84+ BE for 5 bucks last year. :P

EDIT: according to the ti site, you can still buy them online, or am I missing something? ???
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 11:48:10 am: Seriously? That's sad ... all the SEs are now gone. Obviously, TI's planning to make the Nspire outlive all its other models and become the model :(

Though frankly, I'm actually relieved that the TI-83 Plus has still survived the releases of the 84 series and the Nspires.

Quote from: yunhua98
Oh well, my classmates don't care about their calcs at all, I got a 84+ BE for 5 bucks last year. :P

O.O $5? Wow...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 11:48:17 am: Quote from: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 11:38:00 am
EDIT: according to the ti site, you can still buy them online, or am I missing something? ???

TI's north-american web pages haven't been updated yet.
official discontinued models list (as of septembre 2009) (http://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/csksxvm.jsp?JServSessionIdrootdlek21=6qfi8f3cc1.n6LzoN8L/AzOnMTOogTxpQOUtxCLbx0Ka0--&jfn=ZG585359C9BEC8A803CC119200FBBE7368CB45FCC4661375E80434353B027FA2457EA363350186697385081EA802890871ED&lepopus=6JGSklBoMKvKOTLBJMoFlYX4:S&lepopus_pses=ZGF0FD22C56145586B457AA926C582EEC7B887CC1B029CA99CF52ACEFA3FF26973FC3BE17F4F048B362FE30725FC661A0A98C54D3388275B51&nSetId=92937&nBrowseCategoryId=10698&cskViewSolSourcePage=cskmbasicsrch.jsp%3FcategoryId%3D10698%26fRange%3Dnull%26fStartRow%3D0%26fSortBy%3D2%26fSortByOrder%3D1)

It seems localised TI web pages aren't updated simultaneously, and that the english web pages aren't allways the most up to date...

You can still buy TI-84+SE to online or local shops, if they have it in stock.
But they're not produced any more, and are going to disappear...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 12:27:02 pm: Wait, what about TI-83+?

Edit:
Also, TI-84+BE is still in production? I guess this isn't quite as bad as I thought
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 12:48:44 pm: Quote from: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 12:27:02 pm
Wait, what about TI-83+?

Edit:
Also, TI-84+BE is still in production? I guess this isn't quite as bad as I thought

Yes, TI-83+BE and TI-84+BE are still in production... for now.

But after the TI-84+SE, just try to guess which calculator is going to be disontinued next...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Lionel Debroux on September 30, 2010, 01:20:40 pm: Yeah, that move sucks, but it makes perfect sense for them to be able to further shovel the Nspire onto the users' throats...
Since the Nspire can't become the community's sweetheart on its intrinsic qualities (because it's expensive and limited by their locking down of the platform, even if it's getting forcefully opened by the open development community with great results), then let's kill all other models that compete with it... starting with the 84+SE, then the 84+BE - i.e. the models with direct USB, leaving the 83+ BE and respawns of the old TI-Z80 design (TI-76.fr, etc.) on the low end of the market.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Michael_Lee on September 30, 2010, 01:40:55 pm: What!

:(

...

Great - my knowledge is slowly becoming obsolete...

I feel old...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Iambian on September 30, 2010, 02:04:24 pm: Heh. I don't think the TI-83 Plus model is going anywhere anytime soon. Removing that off their product lines would alienate too much of its userbase and potential users. I'm talking about those who are comfortable using the Ti-83 Plus graphing calculator and the various institutions that will not teach how to use other sorts of graphing calcs (probably because they don't know anything else?) I will not believe the idea that the Nspire will fully replace the Ti-83 Plus, even if for the simple reason that it just does not look like a TI-83 Plus.

The TI-84 Plus (SE) however was more like an upgrade to the TI-83 Plus that can easily (from their standpoint) be replaced by the other thing with similar (emulated) specs. They can afford to move their product line "forward" toward the Nspire much like how they did it to the TI-83 Plus SE toward the TI-84 Plus (SE)

While I do not support the move, I do see the logic behind them discontinuing the TI-84 Plus (SE) model. Nothing's gonna happen with the Ti-83 Plus calc.

I'm just a little unhappy by these discontinuations, because the E:SoR project kinda relies on the extra hardware that's found in the 83+SE/84+(SE) calcs. CaDan, not so much.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on September 30, 2010, 02:33:39 pm: NOOOOOOOO! I refuse to beleive it!

:(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: squidgetx on September 30, 2010, 03:13:07 pm: WHAT!?

grrrrrrrrr

TI just makes worse and worse decisions...though it's not as bad as if they removed the z80 line completely. Although I guess this marks the beginning of the end :(

Although like Iambian said, z80 shouldn't be going anywhere too fast. Most of the people I know at school (teachers included) haven't even heard of the nspire, and pretty much every textbook and course written so far for higher math uses the 83+ series :\
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 03:14:30 pm: Maybe I could ease the pain by making a proper 84+SE emulator for Nspire :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on September 30, 2010, 03:17:38 pm: that would be nice
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 03:23:05 pm: Quote from: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 03:14:30 pm
Maybe I could ease the pain by making a proper 84+SE emulator for Nspire :)

It would be great.

I must still have a binary of your 83+ emulator somewhere...
Can it be of any use to you ?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 03:28:27 pm: Well, I think I would rather start from scratch. These days I prefer having organized code, which is something a disassembly certainly won't provide for me :)

Who knows, I might make it in part C, part ASM this time.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Lionel Debroux on September 30, 2010, 03:32:09 pm: calc84maniac: yeah, this brand-new move by TI makes it even more obvious that we need ASAP independent, fast and accurate TI-Z80 and TI-68k emulators running on both Nspire CAS and Nspire non-CAS. Many people in the programming community would be eager to help you for testing, and the number of users thanking you would be enormous.
But this time, please make frequent backups of your sources, eh ? ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Geekboy1011 on September 30, 2010, 03:42:57 pm: umm wow ti is really stupid
.... i dont know what to say kinda just in disbelief now cause its also there best selling calc to school all we have in our schools is 84+se s :/
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: TC01 on September 30, 2010, 03:46:45 pm: I have an old TI-83+ Black Edition. Maybe I can trade it for an 84+SE for someone who doesn't care at all about calcs... it works fine except the link port is broken. For someone who doesn't care about programming or gaming, maybe that would be okay...

You can still buy 84+SEs off Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-TI-84-Graphing-Calculator/dp/B0001EMM0Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285875761&sr=8-1) for now.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 03:58:00 pm: People would still know it's supposed to be better than the 83+, though...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 04:05:47 pm: THis really sucks. It surprises me, as I was convinced it's the 83+ that would stop being produced in the near future, or it would be a replacement to the 73 and 82 STATS.

TO be honest, though, in Quebec, a TI-84+SE costs $177 and a TI-Nspire $185. Check the ridiculously small price difference. Given that the Nspire got much higher specs than the 84+SE (and TI-84 Plus SE compatibility, although they no longer provide the keypad with it), I am sure a lot of people probably opted for the cheaper 84+ or the Nspire instead. In 2009, this is what I did, myself. I had the choice between a 84+SE and a TI-Nspire and have chosen the TI-Nspire.

I seriously hope the 84+ will remain produced, though. TI really have no choice, seriously. Over here A TI-83+ costs $140 from October to early August and $124 at the beginning of the school year and a TI-84 Plus $150. Not every parent and student are in a financial situation to spend almost $200 on a calc, so they would rather save a few more bucks.

I wonder if there should be a petition or something to convince TI to keep the 84+ under production?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: patriotsfan on September 30, 2010, 04:12:03 pm: WoW, I am shocked!!! :o

Can't believe TI would do that but I guess sooner than later they will discontinue it just like they did for the TI-83+SE.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 04:13:40 pm: Yeah me too, really :/

I doubt both the 83+ and 84+ will go anywhere soon, but I worry that one might, at one point in a few years. And I wouldn't be surprised if 68Ks disappeared too.

Another reason why people could prefer the 83+/84+ is the ease of use compared to the Nspire.

Also I moved this to news and added an image at the top of your post.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Hot_Dog on September 30, 2010, 04:14:28 pm: More of a reason for some of us to make our z80 games compatible with the nspire. But at least the emulator mode allows more than 480 kb of archive
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: alberthrocks on September 30, 2010, 04:22:36 pm: Wow.... I first saw this on IRC with the bot showing topics. Then I looked at Cemetech - same thing! O_O
I didn't realize I wasn't breathing until ~15 seconds after I saw the headline.

Well guys, looks like we'll have to add these to our todo list:
1) Get a nice, decent Z80 emulator working on the Nspire.
2) Get a nice, decent 68k emulator working on the Nspire.
3) Crack the Nspire RSA keys so we can teach them a nice lesson.
4) Screw TI!
5) Screw TI!
6) Screw TI!
7) Rev up the OTCalc projects again... and I said projects. I'd like to see a full out war against them with both OTZ80 and OTARM. :)

Don't let TI make you uniNspired. Let's fight back and teach them a lesson - community > TI!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 04:23:16 pm: Ok. Here's my thoughts on this:
1st thought:NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

and the rest: I myself think that it might be because of BrandonW's jailbreak program. Either that or they want less asm support and this is their first step doing that. Either way, we have not seen the last of them.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: tloz128 on September 30, 2010, 04:27:26 pm: You know, this DOES really suck, though I can't say it isn't unlike Texas Instruments to pull this. However, we could use it to our advantage with OTcalc. If a ti-NSpire is too complicated for some students or even teachers, then perhaps it could be an inexpensive, easier to use alternative (the z80 or arm one, for that matter). That is assuming, however, that we do get them built. Nonetheless, I am upset that TI is doing this. I just wonder how schools will handle the change...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: alberthrocks on September 30, 2010, 04:28:11 pm: My math teachers hate the Nspire. They call it useless. ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 04:33:23 pm: Well, in case my calc ever breaks, I have a whole school full of them.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:13:06 pm: I guess the OTCalc project should really be kept alive now :P

As for TI-Nspire, what I hope is that in the future they won't phase out the 84+SE mode either.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: patriotsfan on September 30, 2010, 05:14:36 pm: Glad I got my own TI-84 SE three weeks ago before it's too late! :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: SirCmpwn on September 30, 2010, 05:17:22 pm: I don't think this is a huge deal, considering that it's mostly the community that supports the TI-84+ SE, patching their crappy OS all the time...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 05:19:38 pm: I've just checked all TI web pages.

List of TI web pages showing the TI-84+SE as discontinued:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DEUTSCHLAND/productDetail/de_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SCHWEIZ/productDetail/chg_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/OESTERREICH/productDetail/at_ti84pse.html

List of TI web pages not showing the TI-84+SE any more:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/AUS-NZ/sectionHome/aus-nz_product_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DANMARK/productCategory/dk_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/ESPANA/productCategory/es_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SVERIGE/productCategory/se_graphing.html
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:21:06 pm: Quote from: SirCmpwn on September 30, 2010, 05:17:22 pm
I don't think this is a huge deal, considering that it's mostly the community that supports the TI-84+ SE, patching their crappy OS all the time...
Maybe, but that looks a bit scary in long terms. If they're already discontinuing such calc now, does this means next year they'll discontinue the entire z80 and 68k lines? If that's the case, that's gonna be a huge hit against the TI community in long terms, if the Nspire remains so not user friendly. Most people will probably get Casio FX-9860G calcs
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Camdenmil on September 30, 2010, 05:23:43 pm: I thought the 83+ would go first. Maybe they were loosing money on the se. You know, 1 extra mb of flash memory costs alot these days. ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 05:30:50 pm: TI-84+SE we barely knew thee.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:31:06 pm: Yeah, $0.05 is a lot for a company like TI. They'll suffer from extreme money loss.

What I think that might happen with the 83+ if it remains around is that the TI-73 might get discontinued and the TI-83 Plus will replace it, with a MathPrint OS that runs 3 times slower than the 84+SE one. Otherwise, I don't see how the 73 will stay around much longer. I bet this calc won't sell too well. Heck, TI-81 stuff gets more downloads than TI-73 stuff on ticalc.org! http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/statscat.html
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: meishe91 on September 30, 2010, 05:32:05 pm: Well I don't support this at all, this is a really dumb move on TI's part. But I agree with Iambian, I see where they are coming from, possibly, and see the reasoning behind it. However the "lesser" Z80 calculators will not be going anytime soon, no matter how much they want to push the Nspire. I mean there are thousands of schools and institutions that use them and they would lose a big community of buyers if they did. Plus most schools won't be able to really spend that much money on Nspires, along with teachers not wanting to learn how to use them.

If there is anything we can do it would probably be a petition that shows how many people actually want this calculator to remain. Even if it is just the TI community that supports them, that's still a good chunk of people. Plus you can always advertise to your math classes and such. If TI saw the demand for them they might be willing to start making them again.

@Snake X
I very, VERY, highly doubt this had anything to do with BrandonW. It could be the assembly thing, sort of, but don't they kind of support assembly knowledge on the Z80s with the Flash Debugger and all on their site. Plus, without people doing assembly stuff on them they wouldn't have some of the apps they hand out on the site.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 05:34:01 pm: Isn't the TI-83+SE also discontinued?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:37:24 pm: Yeah it was discontinued immediately when the 84+SE came out. The TI-83+SE is the calc that was sold for the shortest amount of time by TI, and the reason why today there are people who don't even know it ever existed at all.

As for a petition I think it might be good to spread the word among as many schools as possible if it looks like TI is gonna discontinue the rest of the z80 line.

That said, one thing that gives me hopes that the 84+ may remain around for a bit is the fact a new OS came out only 6 months ago. I am worried about the TI-89T and v200, though :(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: SirCmpwn on September 30, 2010, 05:39:06 pm: I wonder if they will officially release the OS signing key when they discontinue it. That would be nice.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:40:46 pm: I am fairly sure they won't, but maybe they will not care as much if people publishes them
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: SirCmpwn on September 30, 2010, 05:42:13 pm: Oooo, I would love to see the specs on the USB port. I say we start a petition to send to them, asking them to release the specs now that they are discontinued.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:42:45 pm: Oh right, that might be actually useful. Good luck, still, though.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 05:43:58 pm: Quote from: critor on September 30, 2010, 05:19:38 pm
I've just checked all TI web pages.

List of TI web pages showing the TI-84+SE as discontinued:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DEUTSCHLAND/productDetail/de_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SCHWEIZ/productDetail/chg_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/OESTERREICH/productDetail/at_ti84pse.html

List of TI web pages not showing the TI-84+SE any more:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/AUS-NZ/sectionHome/aus-nz_product_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DANMARK/productCategory/dk_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/ESPANA/productCategory/es_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SVERIGE/productCategory/se_graphing.html

Among the 4 web pages not listing the TI-84+SE anymore, according to the Internet WayBack machine, 3 of them used to list it:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DANMARK/productCategory/dk_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/ESPANA/productCategory/es_graphing.html
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SVERIGE/productCategory/se_graphing.html

So they just removed it, without explaining it was discontinued.

As for the last page, I just couldn't find a cached version:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/AUS-NZ/sectionHome/aus-nz_product_graphing.html

So on at least 7 official TI web pages in the world, the TI-84+SE has either been marked as discontinued, either been removed from the available models list.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 05:44:57 pm: Well... To be honest... TI should discontinue the entire Z80 line with the exception of the TI-84+... then reduce its price to be inline with the cost of the TI-83+.

What is the purpose of the TI-83+ any longer? It is basically equivalent to the TI-84+. And the TI-73 is almost worthless. No need to keep the manufacturing lines up for these older model calcs... it cost money. TI could pass the savings on to consumers.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:49:52 pm: Yeah I agree that they could easily decrease the price of the 84+ and replace the 83+ with it. They probably keep the 83+ around because they want to make money from the 84+, still.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: thepenguin77 on September 30, 2010, 05:50:10 pm: As far as the Nspire goes. If the z80 line does get completely discontinued. I would imagine that the Nspire would start getting cracked as fast as new iPod OS's. I mean, imagine if every person in this community was working with the Nspire. There would be quite a few who just want to make programs and such, but there would also be quite a few devoted to cracking it. Imagine if brandonW was devoted to cracking the Nspire. :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: meishe91 on September 30, 2010, 05:54:07 pm: Quote from: thepenguin77 on September 30, 2010, 05:50:10 pm
As far as the Nspire goes. If the z80 line does get completely discontinued. I would imagine that the Nspire would start getting cracked as fast as new iPod OS's. I mean, imagine if every person in this community was working with the Nspire. There would be quite a few who just want to make programs and such, but there would also be quite a few devoted to cracking it. Imagine if brandonW was devoted to cracking the Nspire. :P

Can the space-time continuum even handle that? O.o
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: SirCmpwn on September 30, 2010, 05:55:01 pm: I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 05:56:54 pm: I really like that new TI-Inspire with the QWERTY keyboard... That is friggin' awesome.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 05:57:09 pm: If only the Nspire remains around, I seriously hope someone will write an OS for this platform that is MUCH more user-friendly than what they provide, but again it will be an endless fight against their hardware changes and protection additions so maybe it would be better to just focus on the OTCalc project if it was the case.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on September 30, 2010, 05:58:51 pm: NO!!!!!

Why would they retire this before the 83+???
I hope this does not mean that 68k is going to die soon also. :(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 06:01:55 pm: new..nspire..with.. QWERTY? :o where?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: jnesselr on September 30, 2010, 06:06:46 pm: I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, because I'm too lazy to read all of your posts, but I'm thinking that this is going to be a major boost for otcalc.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 06:07:22 pm: http://datamath.org/Graphing/NSpire_CAS_TP.htm
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 06:08:21 pm: That's not QWERTY though. It does have all the letters in the same area though, which is nice :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 06:11:57 pm: Quote from: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 06:08:21 pm
That's not QWERTY though. It does have all the letters in the same area though, which is nice :)

Yeah... you're right... I didn't look close enough. Maybe my eyes are going out too. :D

(http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-NspireCASTP.jpg)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on September 30, 2010, 06:14:21 pm: This is a very sad day indeed. I hope the 84+BE will stay in the line. :'(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: patriotsfan on September 30, 2010, 06:17:14 pm: Hey, how come TI haven't release the news on the English site yet? ???
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 06:38:50 pm: Quote from: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 06:08:21 pm
That's not QWERTY though. It does have all the letters in the same area though, which is nice :)

I doubt they'll ever release another QWERTY calc, seeing the problems with Voyage 200s and other QWERTY calcs on tests.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on September 30, 2010, 06:41:44 pm: Quote from: patriotsfan on September 30, 2010, 06:17:14 pm
Hey, how come TI haven't release the news on the English site yet? ???

TI is slow updating all of their websites. The Nspire was first announced on the German website, I believe.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 06:42:06 pm: Or maybe they're still selling it in the US?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 06:53:15 pm: Quote from: Deep Thought on September 30, 2010, 06:42:06 pm
Or maybe they're still selling it in the US?

The problem is not that TI-84+SE are not sold...

TI-Germany, TI-Swiss and TI-Austria have clearly indicated that the production of TI-84+SE has been stopped.

So, the problem is that TI-84+SE are not manufactured any more.

While they are still TI-84+SE in stocks, you can go on buying them. But it's a matter of weeks/months, before they disappear completly from the shops.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 06:54:39 pm: Oh, I see. That's too bad x.x

I wonder why they did that, though? Are they planning to phase out the 84+s completely?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 06:59:05 pm: well i just email'd ti-"cares" so i guess well soon "find out" the ti way ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 07:01:13 pm: Quote from: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 06:59:05 pm
well i just email'd ti-"cares" so i guess well soon "find out" the ti way ;)

You might want to cut down a bit, or at least use different emails every time. You wouldn't want TI to get annoyed at you ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on September 30, 2010, 07:02:44 pm: Quote from: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 06:59:05 pm
well i just email'd ti-"cares" so i guess well soon "find out" the ti way ;)
I did so too, about an hour ago. ;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on September 30, 2010, 07:04:37 pm: Quote from: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 06:59:05 pm
well i just email'd ti-"cares" so i guess well soon "find out" the ti way ;)

And you think you're going to get a "trustable" answer ?

Last year, I asked TI-Cares about the version number of the new TI-84+ OS that was rumored everywhere (2.53MP). They answered me they didn't know a new TI-84+ OS was going to be released...

So they may tell you that TI-84+SE are not discontinued, just because they don't know yet...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 07:13:42 pm: Quote from: critor on September 30, 2010, 07:04:37 pm
Quote from: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 06:59:05 pm
well i just email'd ti-"cares" so i guess well soon "find out" the ti way ;)

And you think you're going to get a "trustable" answer ?

Last year, I asked TI-Cares about the version number of the new TI-84+ OS that was rumored everywhere (2.53MP). They answered me they didn't know a new TI-84+ OS was going to be released...

So they may tell you that TI-84+SE are not discontinued, just because they don't know yet...

Hmm, maybe they don't tell their reps about anything important :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Snake X on September 30, 2010, 07:15:34 pm: lol well, its worth a try :p
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 08:13:26 pm: I am sure you guys will all get different answers ;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 10:26:49 pm: I wonder when ticalc.org will post a news article on this?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on September 30, 2010, 10:27:53 pm: I would guess not until this is posted on the U.S. website or completely confirmed directly by TI that it is discontinued in the U.S.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 10:33:50 pm: yeah, why tell the public the truth immediately when they commit a despicable act؟
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: guy6020665 on September 30, 2010, 10:56:59 pm: WHAATTT???? 84+SE discontinued?!?!

I was saving up to buy one too...

Can't believe their doing this. >:(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 11:06:43 pm: Well, grab one at the store before stores get out of stock.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: guy6020665 on September 30, 2010, 11:11:37 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 11:06:43 pm
Well, grab one at the store before stores get out of stock.

Can't, I don't have $120 and there's no sale
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 11:20:47 pm: ebay is your friend, mate. ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: AngelFish on September 30, 2010, 11:22:37 pm: And I almost bought an Nspire too...

*wonders if HP or Casio are any less evil*
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 11:26:27 pm: yeah, they are trying everything to beat TI, but schools all use TI, TI had a headstart. You know, If TI had more competition, their calcs would be a lot better. besides, there really isn't much of a Casio or HP calc community.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 11:26:52 pm: This has got to be the coolest looking calculator in the world!...

(http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-NspireCASTP.jpg)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 11:28:24 pm: But does it blend?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on September 30, 2010, 11:29:58 pm: Quote from: calc84maniac on September 30, 2010, 11:28:24 pm
But does it blend?
Probably not...

Now they just need to get a good BASIC language and LED backlighting for it.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: AngelFish on September 30, 2010, 11:33:34 pm: Quote from: yunhua98 on September 30, 2010, 11:26:27 pm
yeah, they are trying everything to beat TI, but schools all use TI, TI had a headstart. You know, If TI had more competition, their calcs would be a lot better. besides, there really isn't much of a Casio or HP calc community.

I've noticed. That said, excluding these forums and TIcalc, there isn't much of a TI community to speak of either. But I have found some HP programs useful as the language is almost identical to TI-BASIC.

EDIT: Is there any way to work around the lack of BASIC user input for the Nspire in Assembly?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 30, 2010, 11:56:38 pm: Well, from what I noticed, when I joined, there were like two active boards and small inactive ones, then more large boards appeared, but then the community died and when it picked up again, we returned with only 2 active english forums (Omni and Cemetech). As for Casio, it was never as active as the TI community, except maybe for a short while in 2008, but that was because the TI community was so inactive.

As for the Nspire, I personally dislike the look of the blue and gray ones. I don't mind the look of the Touchpad ones, though, despite the fact they are huge.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: bwang on September 30, 2010, 11:56:51 pm: We can always write our own BASIC.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2010, 11:58:29 pm: Quote from: bwang on September 30, 2010, 11:56:51 pm
We can always write our own BASIC.

Mmh, true! Maybe kinda like BBCBasic?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 02:20:55 am: It would be nice if someone wrote something like TI-83+ BASIC for the Nspire and/or Axe, so Nspire dev have a wider audience than just C and ASM programmers. BBC Basic would be nice, too, as long as the editor is user-friendly.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ikkerens on October 01, 2010, 02:51:23 am: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 02:20:55 am
It would be nice if someone wrote something like TI-83+ BASIC for the Nspire and/or Axe, so Nspire dev have a wider audience than just C and ASM programmers. BBC Basic would be nice, too, as long as the editor is user-friendly.
Wait, the nSpire codes in C?
If so, ima go buy one!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Lionel Debroux on October 01, 2010, 02:55:25 am: Quote
Wait, the nSpire codes in C?
Yes. We've been able to program in C for about ten years on the TI-68k platform; three years after the introduction of the Nspire platform, it was high time that Ndless + the various ARM toolchains out there (e.g. YAGARTO) enabled programming in C on the Nspire platform :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ikkerens on October 01, 2010, 02:57:14 am: But at what speed does it function?
More ASM-like or does it still slack like basic?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Lionel Debroux on October 01, 2010, 03:02:42 am: Definitely ASM-like, since C is compiled to assembly. Of course, humans can do better than the compiler, but at the cost of significantly increased development and debugging time (3x-5x).
On platforms powerful enough, due to the "80/20 rule" (i.e. the heuristic fact that in most programs, ~80% of the time is spent in ~20% of the code - sometimes it's 70% of the time in 30% of the code, sometimes it's 90% of the time in 10% of the code, but you get the idea), full ASM makes perfect sense for several CPU-intensive bits of the program, but less sense for others.
On the TI-68k platform, for example, graphical libraries are usually written in ASM, and most of their client programs are written in C.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ikkerens on October 01, 2010, 03:04:55 am: Ah, I see.
Then im wondering, why are there so many people requesting basic for the nSpire?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Lionel Debroux on October 01, 2010, 03:14:03 am: Because programming in BASIC is easier than programming in C, and the Nspire's built-in BASIC sucks: four years after the introduction of the Nspire platform, the Nspire still doesn't have getKey() or pixel/line/etc drawing abilities.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 09:38:35 am: Not only that but the current Nspire BASIC language isn't as easy as TI-83+ BASIC. It's not that hard either but some people may prefer sticking to a syntax that is shorter like BASIC or Axe.

Before Axe came out, almost everybody on Omnimaga programmed in TI-83+ BASIC.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Silver Shadow on October 01, 2010, 04:07:55 pm: The current Nspire Basic syntax ressembles closely to the Maple (is it called Erable in the US?) syntax.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 04:27:08 pm: The current TI-Nspire BASIC is almost exactly like TI-89 BASIC. There are very few differences between these two languages (excluding the fact that the Nspire has less commands).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 04:35:48 pm: Quote from: Silver Shadow on October 01, 2010, 04:07:55 pm
The current Nspire Basic syntax ressembles closely to the Maple (is it called Erable in the US?) syntax.
Never heard of that language. In US it must be called Maple, though, considering it's the english for Érable.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on October 01, 2010, 05:27:14 pm: did any one who emailed ti get a reply?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on October 01, 2010, 05:34:36 pm: Yes, but this is all it said:
Quote
Zach,

Thank you for choosing Texas Instruments.

I understand you are inquiring about the future availability of the TI-84 Plus family graphing calculators.

The TI-84 Plus remains one of our most popular calculators and there are no plans to phase it out. We are always working to identify new opportunities to improve Texas Instruments products and have upgraded the operating system (OS) of the TI-84 Plus family. The new 2.53MP upgrade includes MathPrint, scroll functions, easy to use templates, and many more features. The upgrade to the OS is free and is available at the following link:

http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_os_84plus.html

I invite you to check out one of our interactive presentation tool, the TI SmartView Emulator Software for the TI-84 Plus Family. Please see the below URL for additional information and a 30 day free trial:

http://education.ti.com/html/smartview/smartview.html

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest regards,

Jo Henderson
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on October 01, 2010, 05:34:58 pm: Quote from: yunhua98 on October 01, 2010, 05:27:14 pm
did any one who emailed ti get a reply?

Yes, KermMartian on cemetech did:

Quote from: KermMartian
TI-CARES RESPONSE!
Quote from: TI-Cares
Christopher,

Thank you for choosing Texas Instruments.

I understand you are inquiring about the future availability of the TI-84 Plus family graphing calculators.

The TI-84 Plus remains one of our most popular calculators and there are no plans to phase it out. We are always working to identify new opportunities to improve Texas Instruments products and have upgraded the operating system (OS) of the TI-84 Plus family. The new 2.53MP upgrade includes MathPrint, scroll functions, easy to use templates, and many more features. The upgrade to the OS is free and is available at the following link:

http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_os_84plus.html

I invite you to check out one of our interactive presentation tool, the TI SmartView Emulator Software for the TI-84 Plus Family. Please see the below URL for additional information and a 30 day free trial:

http://education.ti.com/html/smartview/smartview.html

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest regards,

Jo Henderson

So, let's sum up things: they didn't answer the question (as usual).
They just did copy/paste some texts about the TI-84+.

So we can guess the TI-84+ is still being continued.

But TI-Cares didn't read/understand that we were asking about the TI-84+SE...
That model is not even mentionned.

So, nothing new.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on October 01, 2010, 05:35:42 pm: lol, they're the same! XD
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on October 01, 2010, 05:36:36 pm: well, at least the relies are the same for once, but they completely avoided the question! >:(

EDIT: I'm going to mention your replies and tll them specifically I want to know about the SE...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 05:38:15 pm: From what I can gather from this e-mail, it implies that the TI-84 Plus will remain in production for another while, but it comes from TI-Cares, which sometimes replies with erroneous information, so we cannot really take it for granted.

That said, I am starting to wonder why they would discontinue the 84+ when they just released a new OS for it only 7 or 8 months ago, though...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 05:40:28 pm: Thats odd, I got a different reply:

Quote
Danny,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

The TI-84 Plus Silver Edition is still available for purchase as shown in the
link below. It has not been discontinued.

http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_ti84pse.html

Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example
calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is
accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest Regards,

César López

EDIT:

I see why there are different replies. Mine is from César López, the others are from Jo Henderson.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on October 01, 2010, 05:42:58 pm: you know, I think we shouldn't post so much negative stuff about the Nspire and TI, I think we are one of the main causes of TI doing this. I mean, most people at my school are getting Nspires, no offense to us, but we really should stop before more of this happens. Although I doubt it can revert this. But then again, I don't think tha Z80 community will die when there are still BEs and 83s and some 84s.
btw, I've noticed the one from apcalc always tells more truth.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on October 01, 2010, 05:44:34 pm: Yeah, I've noticed that César López does a good job. I'm glad he answered one of them. :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 05:48:53 pm: Quote from: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 05:40:28 pm
Thats odd, I got a different reply:

Quote
Danny,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

The TI-84 Plus Silver Edition is still available for purchase as shown in the
link below. It has not been discontinued.

http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_ti84pse.html

Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example
calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is
accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

http://support.education.ti.com

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest Regards,

César López

EDIT:

I see why there are different replies. Mine is from César López, the others are from Jo Henderson.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was just uninformed. From the online TI store 84+SE link:

Quote
IPL: Item 84PLSE/CLM/1L1/W and uom EA not on pricelist USA SRP

Also, maybe they are simply selling the rest of their supplies in USA? That said, maybe they decided to just discontinue the calc in some countries, but if that was the case, I doubt they would mention that production has stopped on those sites...

And Yunhua98 I don't think it matters. Being nice did not make things much better either. I doubt a company will stop producing z80 calcs just because a group of 300-600 users is angry at them for locking down the TI-Nspire.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 05:50:43 pm: I just replied to that e-mail asking why it was retired in other countries, just not the U.S. (even though I still believe he is just uninformed of this). I provided a link to the Swiss website saying it was discontinued.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 05:54:33 pm: Ah ok good. I wonder what he will have to say. To me, production stoppage == no more of that model produced anywhere anymore.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: TC01 on October 01, 2010, 05:58:02 pm: I can see why it would make sense to retire the Silver Edition and not the regular calc from a business standpoint. It's a more expensive 84+ with more memory- that's it. The only person who's going to be interested in that is someone who either is buying the calc for development/gaming (like I would be)... or someone fooled by advertising.

And, if TI's desperate to cut costs (as we saw with the RAM pages incident), they probably would want to scrap a calc with extra memory for cheaper assembly.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: meishe91 on October 01, 2010, 06:00:37 pm: Ya, I highly doubt we are the cause of anything.

I have a question though, who put "84+SE" instead of "84+ Silver Edition" in their emails? That might have something to do with the differences.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on October 01, 2010, 06:01:28 pm: Quote from: meishe91 on October 01, 2010, 06:00:37 pm
I have a question though, who put "84+SE" instead of "84+ Silver Edition" in their emails? That might have something to do with the differences.
I did. Hmm...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 06:02:31 pm: Quote from: TC01 on October 01, 2010, 05:58:02 pm
I can see why it would make sense to retire the Silver Edition and not the regular calc from a business standpoint. It's a more expensive 84+ with more memory- that's it. The only person who's going to be interested in that is someone who either is buying the calc for development/gaming (like I would be)... or someone fooled by advertising.
True, or someone who knows the Nspire 84+SE mode is full of compatibility issues and that the 84+ keypad no longer comes in the TI-Nspire packages.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on October 01, 2010, 06:04:06 pm: Quote from: TC01 on October 01, 2010, 05:58:02 pm
I can see why it would make sense to retire the Silver Edition and not the regular calc from a business standpoint. It's a more expensive 84+ with more memory- that's it. The only person who's going to be interested in that is someone who either is buying the calc for development/gaming (like I would be)... or someone fooled by advertising.

And, if TI's desperate to cut costs (as we saw with the RAM pages incident), they probably would want to scrap a calc with extra memory for cheaper assembly.

Still, that doesn't explain the Nspire, TI would get much more profit from 84SEs than Nspires. Maybe SEs are limited Editions that are actually limited, unlike our peanuts? :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 06:42:19 pm: Not sure. From what I see, they are most likely trying to convince people to switch to the Nspire instead of the z80 line when they feel 480 KB of memory is not enough or something.

But TI is hard to understand, sometimes...

Maybe for next Omnimaga contest there should be a participation prize for the first few people to submit an entry and it would be a Casio FX-9860G for the first few people and 9750G+ for the others (depending of the money I have). ;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 01, 2010, 06:58:25 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 05:48:53 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if he was just uninformed. From the online TI store 84+SE link:

Quote
IPL: Item 84PLSE/CLM/1L1/W and uom EA not on pricelist USA SRP

Also, maybe they are simply selling the rest of their supplies in USA? That said, maybe they decided to just discontinue the calc in some countries, but if that was the case, I doubt they would mention that production has stopped on those sites...

And Yunhua98 I don't think it matters. Being nice did not make things much better either. I doubt a company will stop producing z80 calcs just because a group of 300-600 users is angry at them for locking down the TI-Nspire.

They should start hiring reps who actually know what's going on :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: calcdude84se on October 01, 2010, 08:56:55 pm: Not anticipated but understandable, as Iambian said much earlier in the thread.
Oh well... at least the 84+ and 83+ aren't going anywhere soon. :(
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 01, 2010, 08:57:53 pm: Quote from: calcdude84se on October 01, 2010, 08:56:55 pm
Not anticipated but understandable, as Iambian said much earlier in the thread.
Oh well... at least the 84+ and 83+ aren't going anywhere soon. :(

And, unfortunately, locked-down Nspires as well. At least they have pretty good math features.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 09:03:17 pm: hmm, I just hope that TI isnt going to kill off the 68k line

I mean, they dont care, but I hope they dont discontinue it >.<
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 09:04:12 pm: I still don't think the Nspire is that great with math features.

First of all, it is much more confusing to use than the z80/68k calcs. I know people who have extreme trouble figuring out how to use an 84. I could only imagine seeing them use an Nspire...

Secondly, looking through the catalog of functions on the Nspire, there is really not too much differences when compared to a z80/68k calc (Nspire CAS compared to the 68ks, Nspire (non cas) compared to the z80). Programs/Apps (even those published by TI) add almost all of the missing functions. We can get apps to do spreadsheets, notes on these calcs, right? Everything else can be accessed through apps/programs.

The Nspire CAS has all of the same bugs that are present in the 68k CAS (I have tested). In reality, the Nspire is not a revolutionary new calculator, it is mearly a collection of old TI-written functions with stuff written by other companies that is already present for the other calcs (TI did not write that data app for the Nspire...).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 09:12:14 pm: apcalc is correct...

the Nspire is only good for GBC and NES emus
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 09:13:27 pm: Quote from: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 09:12:14 pm
apcalc is correct...

the Nspire is only good for GBC and NES emus

To be honest, I have only used my Nspire for GBC, NES and the spreadsheets to keep track of my grades this year in school. Still haven't used it in math. D:
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 09:46:56 pm: apcalc, yeah, me too

for C, I rather use the 68k series

BTW, the only reason that the 68k cant emulate the GB games as good as the nspire is because of speed :(

I mean, really?! 15mhz compared to 90mhz
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on October 01, 2010, 10:00:02 pm: Quote from: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 09:46:56 pm
I mean, really?! 15mhz compared to 90mhz

I believe the Nspires can go up to 150mhz. ;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 10:01:19 pm: Quote from: ztrumpet on October 01, 2010, 10:00:02 pm
Quote from: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 09:46:56 pm
I mean, really?! 15mhz compared to 90mhz

I believe the Nspires can go up to 150mhz. ;D

Yes, it can. ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 10:04:52 pm: but only the CAS
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 01, 2010, 10:05:27 pm: ???

Both of the Nspires can run at 150mhz.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 01, 2010, 10:14:11 pm: really? something I read said that only the CAS could go to 150...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Texas_Instruments_Graphing_Calculators
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 10:29:09 pm: that page has some mistakes x.x

Sometimes Wikipedia cannot be trusted at 100%
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 12:10:57 am: yeah, that thought just occurred to me >.<
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: aeTIos on October 02, 2010, 07:26:53 am: Whaaaat?
This is not bad... this is very bad!
Quote from: critor on September 30, 2010, 09:58:12 am

The TI-84+SE had 1.5Mb archive memory. The basic TI-84+ only has 480Kb... If this is not enough, the only choice remaining is the TI-Nspire.

..or using an USB splitter, this is not as fast as the archive memory, but less expensive as an NSpire.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:43:51 am: yep, and lets not forget that in many schools, teachers are convincing that students that the TI-84 is a peice of shit and the nspire is the best

sadly ^ is my school
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: aeTIos on October 02, 2010, 07:45:35 am: Quote from: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:43:51 am
sadly ^ is my school
:D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:46:41 am: hoe is that a :D

that is horrible..
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: aeTIos on October 02, 2010, 07:48:28 am: yes that is horrible..
do you have to buy your own calc?
if so, i'd buy a 84SE very quick...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on October 02, 2010, 07:49:24 am: Quote from: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:43:51 am
yep, and lets not forget that in many schools, teachers are convincing that students that the TI-84 is a peice of shit and the nspire is the best

sadly ^ is my school

That is evil . . .
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:52:57 am: aeTOs and critor, since I am not stupid when it comes to calcs, I have have a TI-84+SE and there is no wai a teacher will make me trade it away for a nspire

(did I mention I havea nspire, the person at staples was thinking it was on the z80 line, BUUT I had a 84 keypad) wait, that isnt working...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: aeTIos on October 02, 2010, 07:55:42 am: I never used a NSpire, so I dont kno which is better: 84 or NSpire?
who knows??
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 08:01:10 am: 84! 84! 84! Don't get an nspire until ndless is perfected

in fact the only good thing about the nspire are the asm games, it sucks at everything else
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: aeTIos on October 02, 2010, 08:16:22 am: OK, i know enough...
dont buy a NSpire!!!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: apcalc on October 02, 2010, 09:18:50 am: Quote from: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:43:51 am
yep, and lets not forget that in many schools, teachers are convincing that students that the TI-84 is a peice of shit and the nspire is the best

sadly ^ is my school

Thankfully, it is just the opposite at my school.

My teacher (probably one of the best math teachers in the state) bashes the Nspire! ;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 02, 2010, 09:34:55 am: Quote from: apcalc on October 02, 2010, 09:18:50 am
Quote from: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:43:51 am
yep, and lets not forget that in many schools, teachers are convincing that students that the TI-84 is a peice of shit and the nspire is the best

sadly ^ is my school

Thankfully, it is just the opposite at my school.

My teacher (probably one of the best math teachers in the state) bashes the Nspire! ;D
Somehow, I think they're getting paid by TI to brainwash students...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 10:41:59 am: Quote from: apcalc on October 02, 2010, 09:18:50 am
Quote from: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 07:43:51 am
yep, and lets not forget that in many schools, teachers are convincing that students that the TI-84 is a peice of shit and the nspire is the best

sadly ^ is my school

Thankfully, it is just the opposite at my school.

My teacher (probably one of the best math teachers in the state) bashes the Nspire! ;D

lucky.. mine knows alot about the nspire and its relations to asm... but she wont relent
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: shmibs on October 02, 2010, 11:27:14 am: oh dear...
this is not what i was hoping to see when i woke up this morning. i guess i'll just have to stock up on 84+SE's(although i have no clue where im going to get the money, seeing that i have to buy a laptop, pay for college stuff, and a hundred other things).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on October 02, 2010, 02:20:29 pm: I cannot remember where I read it... but did the original TI-84+SE have more available RAM for the user? And did TI remove the extra RAM at some point?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Lionel Debroux on October 02, 2010, 02:24:00 pm: Quote
but did the original TI-84+SE have more available RAM for the user?
The same amount of extra RAM as the 83+SE, more than the 83+BE, same as the original 84+ BE.

Quote
And did TI remove the extra RAM at some point?
Yes, they did...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 02, 2010, 02:25:05 pm: Yes, it had wai more

in fact, it is ram we needed
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on October 02, 2010, 02:28:25 pm: Quote from: Ranman on October 02, 2010, 02:20:29 pm
I cannot remember where I read it... but did the original TI-84+SE have more available RAM for the user? And did TI remove the extra RAM at some point?

Yes and yes.

Let's sum up things:

TI-83+ have 32Kb RAM.
TI-83+SE have 128Kb RAM.
TI-84+/TI-84+SE with hardware revision G or older have 128Kb RAM.
TI-84+/TI-84+SE with hardware revision H or newer have 48Kb RAM.

To know the hardware revision, look at the last letter to the right of your serial number.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Ranman on October 02, 2010, 02:34:07 pm: Quote from: critor on October 02, 2010, 02:28:25 pm
Quote from: Ranman on October 02, 2010, 02:20:29 pm
I cannot remember where I read it... but did the original TI-84+SE have more available RAM for the user? And did TI remove the extra RAM at some point?

Yes and yes.

Let's sum up things:

TI-83+ have 32Kb RAM.
TI-83+SE have 128Kb RAM.
TI-84+/TI-84+SE with hardware revision G or older have 128Kb RAM.
TI-84+/TI-84+SE with hardware revision H or newer have 48Kb RAM.

To know the hardware revision, look at the last letter to the right of your serial number.

Wow... 128Kb down to 48Kb... That sucks! I mean that really sucks!

I think TI has something against the TI programming community.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Snake X on October 02, 2010, 03:10:23 pm: well.. I decided to buy TI's ~~little devil product~~ Nspire cas w/ touchpad. So far, I'm not too concerned about games (considering I never have enough time in my class to play them) but I do miss all the good programming capabilities. I think its that the 84+ SE was just discontinued in some countries to save production costs probably because they for some reason might not have sold well..
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 02, 2010, 07:59:33 pm: Quote from: critor on October 02, 2010, 02:28:25 pm
Quote from: Ranman on October 02, 2010, 02:20:29 pm
I cannot remember where I read it... but did the original TI-84+SE have more available RAM for the user? And did TI remove the extra RAM at some point?

Yes and yes.

Let's sum up things:

TI-83+ have 32Kb RAM.
TI-83+SE have 128Kb RAM.
TI-84+/TI-84+SE with hardware revision G or older have 128Kb RAM.
TI-84+/TI-84+SE with hardware revision H or newer have 48Kb RAM.

To know the hardware revision, look at the last letter to the right of your serial number.

Yeah, that sucks, but maybe it's wasn't originally just to defeat the community. I mean, the extra 80 KB probably cost a lot, and most people didn't use a tenth of it.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: ztrumpet on October 02, 2010, 09:42:57 pm: Yeah, I hope that it's just been discontinued in some countries. You know, if that's the case we may owe TI apology. :-[
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on October 02, 2010, 10:02:38 pm: Quote from: ztrumpet on October 02, 2010, 09:42:57 pm
Yeah, I hope that it's just been discontinued in some countries. You know, if that's the case we may owe TI apology. :-[

If you read the referenced TI pages, they're saying clearly that the production has been stopped (I won't copy the links again).

And TI-84+SE are manufactured in only one place: the P-factory in China.
So if production has been stopped, it is for the whole world.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 02, 2010, 10:58:09 pm: Quote from: ztrumpet on October 02, 2010, 09:42:57 pm
Yeah, I hope that it's just been discontinued in some countries. You know, if that's the case we may owe TI apology. :-[

Yeah, personally I think we are being a bit hard on TI. I mean, obviously the notices against TI-BANK regarding OS 1.1 and the downgrade protection were aimed against us, and the DMCA takedown notices were definitely pretty idiotic, but not much else were that bad. A lot of TI's actions seem pretty reasonable in business terms.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 03, 2010, 04:29:17 am: production stopped means production stopped. This means it's over. No more 84+SE's are produced in the world, anymore. They are probably selling the remainder of their stock to countries that still sells 84+SE well then they will warn that it's discontinued there too.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: yunhua98 on October 04, 2010, 04:47:03 pm: well, here are my responses, whiich they did in three separate emails:

Quote
Hello,

I have heard nothing to that effect. What you describe was not a bug, but rather, an internal purchasing message.

Thanks,

Vicki Rodrigues

---- Original Message ----
Also, here is the thing it says when I try to buy online:
IPL: Item 84PLSE/CLM/1L1/W and uom EA not on pricelist USA SRP
is this a bug?

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Yunhua Zhao <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sorry about the two emails, I accidentally pressed enter last time. I've
> been hearing rumors that the TI-84 SE has been discontinued; I am very
> disappointed, as I have been saving up money to get on for several months
> now. Could you tell me whether this is true? I know several friends who
> claim that it has been announced on the German site and others. And they
> have told me about their replies. I have tried to add one to my cart online
> and it said none in stock. Could you explain this?
> Thanks!
> Yunhua Zhao

Quote
Hello,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments. No, the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition calculator has not been discontinued.

Sincerely,

Vicki Rodrigues

Quote
Dear Yunhua Zhao,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

This is information you have been given is not true. The TI-84 Silver Edition is still produced.

Can you tell me which country you are from.

We are always looking for ways to improve our service and we appreciate your feedback. If you have a moment, kindly fill out a survey at:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/x0128197_English

Kind Regards,

JOHN MURRAY

Texas Instruments
Customer Service
Education Technology

Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions and any other information you may need is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You can access it at http://support.education.ti.com.

I hope that you find this resource helpful. You can always visit our website at http://education.ti.com/uk.

For other questions or more information you can email us at [email protected] or contact us by phone at 00 800 4 84 22 737 Monday to Thursday from 08.00 to 17.00 and Friday from 08.00 to 15.30. You can also fax us at 00 420 22 622 17 99.

---- Original Message ----
Sorry about the two emails, I accidentally pressed enter last time. I've
been hearing rumors that the TI-84 SE has been discontinued; I am very
disappointed, as I have been saving up money to get on for several months
now. Could you tell me whether this is true? I know several friends who
claim that it has been announced on the German site and others. And they
have told me about their replies. I have tried to add one to my cart online
and it said none in stock. Could you explain this?
Thanks!
Yunhua Zhao
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 04:56:20 pm: well, I guess this shows that in the US it is not being discontinued..

YET
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: Agentx002 on October 04, 2010, 04:56:28 pm: Republicans never tell the truth :P
If they're discontinuing it they suck some serious balls, I have an nspire and deal with the horrible keypad em., I do like that the nspries screen is so huge it makes everything on the 84 look 10x better! If the emulator was any better, I'd have no problem with them halting the 84SE Production. Besides, you can hook an HTC Hero into any model of the 84 to charge!
EDIT:
I do own other models of the 84 but not an SE, the SE has a huge amount of flash rom compared to the 84, support for large flash apps like the TI-BOY, (which EPICALLY fails to run on the 84 keypad!).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: squidgetx on October 04, 2010, 04:58:12 pm: lol where'd you get the idea that they're republicans?

but yeah....it sucks a lot...and of course TI is just going to be like...what? no of course it's not discontinued...what are you talking about...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 04:59:18 pm: Quote from: yunhua98 on October 04, 2010, 04:47:03 pm
well, here are my responses, whiich they did in three separate emails:

Quote
Dear Yunhua Zhao,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

This is information you have been given is not true. The TI-84 Silver Edition is still produced.

Can you tell me which country you are from.

We are always looking for ways to improve our service and we appreciate your feedback. If you have a moment, kindly fill out a survey at:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/x0128197_English

Kind Regards,

JOHN MURRAY

Texas Instruments
Customer Service
Education Technology

Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions and any other information you may need is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. You can access it at http://support.education.ti.com.

I hope that you find this resource helpful. You can always visit our website at http://education.ti.com/uk.

For other questions or more information you can email us at [email protected] or contact us by phone at 00 800 4 84 22 737 Monday to Thursday from 08.00 to 17.00 and Friday from 08.00 to 15.30. You can also fax us at 00 420 22 622 17 99.

---- Original Message ----
Sorry about the two emails, I accidentally pressed enter last time. I've
been hearing rumors that the TI-84 SE has been discontinued; I am very
disappointed, as I have been saving up money to get on for several months
now. Could you tell me whether this is true? I know several friends who
claim that it has been announced on the German site and others. And they
have told me about their replies. I have tried to add one to my cart online
and it said none in stock. Could you explain this?
Thanks!
Yunhua Zhao

Ok, so either TI-Cares doesn't know about it yet...
Either there's been an error on 8 TI web pages in 7 different countries.

Quote
The TI-84 Silver Edition is still produced.

Can you tell me which country you are from.

What does it change? TI-84+SE are produced in only one place: the P-factory in China.
So either they're still produced, either they're not produced any more...

That fact doesn't depend upon your country...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: meishe91 on October 04, 2010, 05:17:35 pm: So I've gotten a email back from my guy too. He's asking where this information was posted, and I was going to show him the TI pages that tell it but I can't find any of them. All the previous links just go to the product page. So are there any sites, by TI, that show that this is still being discontinued?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 05:28:53 pm: Quote from: squidgetx on October 04, 2010, 04:58:12 pm
lol where'd you get the idea that they're republicans?
For some reasons I believe it is due to TI being based in Texas, but I am sure there are some non-republicans there ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 05:31:32 pm: Hmmm, if calc84 restarts on his z80 emulator...

we will have all RAM pages and ALL undocumented instructions DOCUMENTED!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: TC01 on October 04, 2010, 05:35:43 pm: Quote from: meishe91 on October 04, 2010, 05:17:35 pm
So I've gotten a email back from my guy too. He's asking where this information was posted, and I was going to show him the TI pages that tell it but I can't find any of them. All the previous links just go to the product page. So are there any sites, by TI, that show that this is still being discontinued?

Hey- you're right!

This page: http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productDetail/chf_ti84pse.html) (that critor linked to at the start) doesn't have a "Production Stopped" message anymore... however, there's no link on the page to buy it either.

What's going on?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 05:38:27 pm: That's strange...

Could someone think it is still produced and edited out that message?

This is strange, really strange. On that, I am going to edit the title of this topic to "TI-84+SE discontinued?" instead of "TI-84+SE discontinued".

Either someone in Europe did a mistake on the respective TI pages, either someone in USA is still thinking the calc is produced and reverted the changes on the european pages that stated the discontinuation of the calc, or TI just can't make up their mind...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 05:39:53 pm: Perhaps it is the 1st or 3rd one
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 05:40:52 pm: It seems this page no longer lists the 84+SE as discontinued anymore either:

http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SUISSE/productCategory/chf_graphing.html

However, the TI-82 STATS is still listed as discontinued...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 05:42:56 pm: O_o perhaps their decision to discontinue it caused an outrage and now they take it back?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: TC01 on October 04, 2010, 05:43:50 pm: I'm wondering if TI is just discontinuing the calc in some countries, and it's the "production stopped" message that's in error?

Because what TI has been denying is the discontinuing of the calc- not that it's going to be no longer available in some countries. It might explain the "what country are you from?"

I checked all the links critor posted earlier in this thread- on the sites where the calc had been listed as production stopped, the "production stopped" message has been removed. On the sites, however, where the calculator has vanished, it's still gone.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: squidgetx on October 04, 2010, 05:44:48 pm: or maybe the european pepole weren't supposed to announce it yet....?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 05:45:20 pm: Maybe. Their site might be getting lots of traffic from students and teachers and maybe the teachers got angry that that model was stopped. But again, I'm not sure if they really care if students have access to a 84+SE with 1.54 MB of RAM rather than just the 84+. I am sure the discontinuation of the cheaper TI-83+ would cause even more of an outrage, unless the 84+ replaced it and dropped to the 83+ price.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 05:47:57 pm: Though, in my school, the teachers DO insist that if you cant get an nspire, get a TI-84+SE
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: meishe91 on October 04, 2010, 05:52:00 pm: Ya, it's weird. I don't know. Not sure what to tell this guy until we figure some of this out.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 05:54:53 pm: Maybe we convinced them to continue the production? ;D

If it's the case, I wonder for how much longer, though...

(Or maybe there was a strike at the factory and TI decided to just produce the essential for a while)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: fb39ca4 on October 04, 2010, 05:56:56 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 01, 2010, 10:29:09 pm
that page has some mistakes x.x

Sometimes Wikipedia cannot be trusted at 100%
I think it was just worded badly - the 90/150 was supposed to mean it can run at either speed.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 05:57:09 pm: Quote from: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 05:42:56 pm
O_o perhaps their decision to discontinue it caused an outrage and now they take it back?

Yeah, we did it!
You were all great! :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TC01 on October 04, 2010, 05:59:46 pm: We could send him a Google cache of a page, or a Web Archive page.

Or we could ask him about the four calc sites that no longer list the 84+ SE? See Critor's post on page 3 (http://ourl.ca/7232/122775) for reference.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 06:01:03 pm: Lol thanks. Let's hope it is really the case, though. I hope in 2 months we won't end up with the same discontinuation messages again x.x

That said, one thing I think is that since Omnimaga and TI-BANK both gets lots of traffic (110000 visitors a month for Omni and I think about 70000-90000 for TI-BANK, right?), a lot of guests might have gotten angry at TI or something and asked them to not discontinue the calc. There are many possible scenarios. But it's sure positive so far. :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TC01 on October 04, 2010, 06:04:54 pm: Something else interesting is that the TI site DJ linked to on the last page has a Google cache from September 21st... which is nine days before it was reported here. And in that cache, the silver edition is listed as discontinued.

I could check other caches if I had the time, but basically that means the calc has been "discontinued" for some time before we found out about it. I wonder how long?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 06:07:14 pm: Wow... maybe it has been like that since the Summer?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 06:33:34 pm: Quote from: TC01 on October 04, 2010, 05:59:46 pm
Or we could ask him about the four calc sites that no longer list the 84+ SE? See Critor's post on page 3 (http://ourl.ca/7232/122775) for reference.

For TI-Australia, this may be normal.
I think that calculators that have more than 800Kb archive are forbidden on exams over there.
Casio made a special version of the fx-9860G and named it the fx-9860G AU in order to sell it there. It has less archive available.
Moreover, I couldn't find an archived web page in the Internet Wayback Machine.

But for TI-Denmark, TI-Spain, and TI-Sweden, the Internet Wayback Machine has severall matches, and the TI-84+SE used to be listed.

I've renewsed on TI-Bank -> http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=871

As DJ-Omnimaga was saying, I hope I won't have to renews about that anytime soon...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: ztrumpet on October 04, 2010, 06:42:22 pm: Hmm, these are some interesting developments. I'm still in an email chain that appears to be leading somewhere; hopefully I get a definitive answer tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 04, 2010, 06:47:22 pm: Hmm, someone should copy the HTML/CSS from the cached version, in case Google updates it.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 06:59:09 pm: Quote from: Deep Thought on October 04, 2010, 06:47:22 pm
Hmm, someone should copy the HTML/CSS from the cached version, in case Google updates it.

Here is a copy of the cached Swiss french pages:
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-suisse-fr.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-suisse-fr.html

I'm trying to get the other pages too.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: apcalc on October 04, 2010, 07:06:56 pm: I just got this:

Quote
Danny,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

Recently you contacted us regarding a question about the TI-84 Plus Silver
Edition. I had to do additional research on this matter and got a more detailed
response for you.

TI Education Technology in the US and Canada, as well as many other regions,
will continue to sell both the TI-84 Plus and TI-84 Plus Silver Edition. The
TI-84 Plus Silver Edition is an important part of our product offering and we
will continue to update and support this product.

Sales and marketing in all regions continually review product offerings to
ensure they are meeting the needs of their markets. We currently sell products
in Europe to meet specific country retail and educational markets. TI has
products available in the US that are not sold in Europe and vice versa because
they are not the best products to meet the specific country needs. In that vein,
TI Education Technology Europe has phased out the TI-84 Plus Silver edition in
those select markets.

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest Regards,

César López
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: ztrumpet on October 04, 2010, 07:08:26 pm: Thank you apcalc (and César López). :) It looks like we've been over concerned all along. :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 07:08:35 pm: Quote from: apcalc on October 04, 2010, 07:06:56 pm
I just got this:

Quote
Danny,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

Recently you contacted us regarding a question about the TI-84 Plus Silver
Edition. I had to do additional research on this matter and got a more detailed
response for you.

TI Education Technology in the US and Canada, as well as many other regions,
will continue to sell both the TI-84 Plus and TI-84 Plus Silver Edition. The
TI-84 Plus Silver Edition is an important part of our product offering and we
will continue to update and support this product.

Sales and marketing in all regions continually review product offerings to
ensure they are meeting the needs of their markets. We currently sell products
in Europe to meet specific country retail and educational markets. TI has
products available in the US that are not sold in Europe and vice versa because
they are not the best products to meet the specific country needs. In that vein,
TI Education Technology Europe has phased out the TI-84 Plus Silver edition in
those select markets.

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest Regards,

César López

Interesting, except that this one didn't mention the "production" state.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TC01 on October 04, 2010, 07:09:14 pm: Hopefully, that's the truth. And hopefully it doesn't mean they will phase out the 84+ SE in America soon too.

I also just cross-posted this on Cemetech- I also earlier posted the news about the removal of that "Production halted" message there.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 07:11:04 pm: Copy of the cached Swiss pages (in french):
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-suisse-fr.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-suisse-fr.html

Copy of the cached german pages (in german):
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-allemagne.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-allemagne.html

Still working to get the other pages.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 07:11:47 pm: Nah, this actually seems to be sincere..
/me explodes because USA's and Canada's TI-84+SE's are safe :D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 04, 2010, 07:12:51 pm: Quote from: apcalc on October 04, 2010, 07:06:56 pm
I just got this:

Quote
Danny,

Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

Recently you contacted us regarding a question about the TI-84 Plus Silver
Edition. I had to do additional research on this matter and got a more detailed
response for you.

TI Education Technology in the US and Canada, as well as many other regions,
will continue to sell both the TI-84 Plus and TI-84 Plus Silver Edition. The
TI-84 Plus Silver Edition is an important part of our product offering and we
will continue to update and support this product.

Sales and marketing in all regions continually review product offerings to
ensure they are meeting the needs of their markets. We currently sell products
in Europe to meet specific country retail and educational markets. TI has
products available in the US that are not sold in Europe and vice versa because
they are not the best products to meet the specific country needs. In that vein,
TI Education Technology Europe has phased out the TI-84 Plus Silver edition in
those select markets.

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest Regards,

César López

Ah, that's great! César López is definitely one of those rare TI reps that care at all what we say :D

Great to hear!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 07:16:41 pm: errrm, no, you are wrong there, he is the one who told me that the missing RAM pages were a "feature"

but, I guess that THIS particular topic must interest them more than asm on a nspire...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 04, 2010, 07:21:24 pm: Well, at least he knows that they were missing :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: ztrumpet on October 04, 2010, 07:23:17 pm: Quote from: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 07:16:41 pm
errrm, no, you are wrong there, he is the one who told me that the missing RAM pages were a "feature"
lol :P

He may have worded that a little differently than most of us would but TI may see it as a feature that it has extra RAM, regardless of size. :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 04, 2010, 07:40:33 pm: Quote from: ztrumpet on October 04, 2010, 07:23:17 pm
Quote from: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 07:16:41 pm
errrm, no, you are wrong there, he is the one who told me that the missing RAM pages were a "feature"
lol :P

He may have worded that a little differently than most of us would but TI may see it as a feature that it has extra RAM, regardless of size. :)

Oh, that makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 07:46:19 pm: ok, he said that it was removed to "fit out needs"

yeah, I just NEED to not be able to use emu8x fully
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2010, 07:50:31 pm: Mhmm, if this is true, then I guess the SE will just be available in specific countries then. I sure hope they won't say production stopped again, though, because that will confuse people again, like it did with us.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 07:54:05 pm: Ok, I think I've linked everything.

1) The pages that were stating TI-84+SE production had been stopped:

Copy of the cached Swiss pages (in french):
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-suisse-fr.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-suisse-fr.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti82s-suisse-fr.html

Copy of the cached swiss pages (in german):
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-suisse-all.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-suisse-all.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti82s-suisse-all.html

Copy of the cached german pages (in german):
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-allemagne.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-allemagne.html

Copy of the cached austrian pages (in german):
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/graph-autriche.html
http://xandrean.free.fr/ti84pse-discontinued/ti84pse-autriche.html

2) The pages that have removed the TI-84+SE from their list

TI-Danmark:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080822011036/education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/DANMARK/productCategory/dk_graphing.html

TI-Spain:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080723203819/education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/ESPANA/productCategory/es_graphing.html

TI-Sweden:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080723211227/education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/SVERIGE/productCategory/se_graphing.html

Do what you want with all this.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 04, 2010, 08:13:19 pm: Great! In case TI starts claiming they did no such thing again...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 08:15:24 pm: ok, hold on, lets not try to jump at TI'S throat yet
I think they are being truthful, for once

they are OPENLY admitting to cutting production in europe >.'>
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 04, 2010, 08:20:32 pm: Quote from: qazz42 on October 04, 2010, 08:15:24 pm
ok, hold on, lets not try to jump at TI'S throat yet
I think they are being truthful, for once

they are OPENLY admitting to cutting production in europe >.'>

Production is centralised: P-factory in China.

What they may do, is not selling the calculator any more in Europe.

We haven't bought enough TI-Nspire in Europe...
They want to force us... :(

Edit: TI has answered me on FaceBook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-Instruments-France/132142133466165#!/pages/Texas-Instruments-France/132142133466165?v=wall&story_fbid=165278456819199
In Swiss/Germany/Austria, the TI-84+SE is going to be discontinued.
Then did their webmaster write "production stopped" instead of "discontinued" by mistake ? . . .
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 05, 2010, 06:56:43 am: well. at least they are not lying or trying to avoid a straight answer

that is actually better than a DMCA notice :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued
Post by: kyllopardiun on October 05, 2010, 12:39:25 pm: Quote from: thepenguin77 on September 30, 2010, 05:50:10 pm
As far as the Nspire goes. If the z80 line does get completely discontinued. I would imagine that the Nspire would start getting cracked as fast as new iPod OS's. I mean, imagine if every person in this community was working with the Nspire. There would be quite a few who just want to make programs and such, but there would also be quite a few devoted to cracking it. Imagine if brandonW was devoted to cracking the Nspire. :P

As someone whom have just one calc, and it's Nspire clickpad, I can't said it's a bad news for me...
in fact is the opposite, I can't crack nspire because i lack of acknowledge for it, but, I am really hoping to see more users going for it.

As this will improve my calc, and maybe after ndless 1.6, people will find nspire more user friendly ... ;)

but, it's bad that TI, doesn't give asm support, without this program ...

And the funniest thing is, if people really crack nspire, probably will be just one OS, one with CAS, and the 84 emulator support ...
;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 01:53:33 pm: I really hope Calc84maniac can revive his z80 emulator at one point. I still got a copy somewhere I think but it is not convenient to use because you need to remove batteries (and the keypad) to turn it off, it has no linking support, Garbage Collecting crashes it and it runs extremly fast so it cannot be released in its current state. If he finished it that would solve most of our undocumented instructions incompatibility issues with the Nspire.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Agentx002 on October 05, 2010, 03:12:01 pm: So someone somewhere screwed up and 6 other counties followed along, or they really were thinking of discontinuing it in sed countries.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:22:14 pm: Yeah it could be that. Otherwise, maybe they started discontinuing it and changed their mind, which kinda makes TI sound like a bush company in some ways. Otherwise, a strike occured at the factory where they produce calcs or the european division of TI and this caused them to temporary discontinue some models so they can focus on producing the ones that are sold the most. It's really weird, but again, TI is hard to understand, really. X.x

Welcome here by the way. :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TC01 on October 05, 2010, 03:25:08 pm: Quote from: Agentx002 on October 05, 2010, 03:12:01 pm
So someone somewhere screwed up and 6 other counties followed along, or they really were thinking of discontinuing it in sed countries.

No, the calc is being discontinued in those countries (at least- I think it is). The screwup was the "Production Halted" message- which would mean the calc was being discontinued everywhere (since there's only one factory where 84+ SEs are made).

EDIT: Or maybe not? I thought apcalc's message from TI said that?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:28:45 pm: No, TC01, the production stoppage/discontinuation announcment in those countries has been removed yesterday.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TC01 on October 05, 2010, 03:30:29 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:28:45 pm
No, TC01, the production stoppage/discontinuation announcment in those countries has been removed yesterday.

I do remember that... but it has been discontinued in four countries (where TI just removed the 84+ SE page).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:32:07 pm: Yeah but someone mentionned that the production stoppage mention has been removed in those countries too, yesterday. Is the 84+SE page still gone?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 05, 2010, 03:33:25 pm: well, TI must have had some hell of a week with this discontinuing business O_O
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TC01 on October 05, 2010, 03:35:16 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:32:07 pm
Yeah but someone mentionned that the production stoppage mention has been removed in those countries too, yesterday. Is the 84+SE page still gone?

There wasn't a production stoppage mention there, though. The pages were just deleted without any announcement (according to critor's post on page 3).

And the 84+ SE pages are still gone on those sites.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:36:47 pm: Mhmm I see. This is strange.

Also I just noticed Critor's edit, before another post. It seems in Swiss and Germany it's effectively being discontinued, but not in France. TI mentions it on Facebook.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Agentx002 on October 05, 2010, 05:59:28 pm: Its on facebook, was on 7 sites, what kind of error is this? TI has always seemed to hate the calculator programming/hacking communitys, and they haven't ever pleased calculator fanatics, but they discontinuing the worlds best selling calc is outrageous!
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 03:22:14 pm
Welcome here by the way. :)
Why shank u by the way
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: guy6020665 on October 05, 2010, 06:06:11 pm: If TI really discontinues the 84+SE, do you think that the ROM will be available for download?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: yunhua98 on October 05, 2010, 06:08:11 pm: no, i doubt it, but there is always *snip*
>:D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: guy6020665 on October 05, 2010, 06:11:19 pm: Edit post perhaps? I don't believe we are allowed to disclose such information here...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: yunhua98 on October 05, 2010, 06:14:09 pm: put it in code, can't search. but I'm not telling you where it is really... but I'll removed it if a mod says so, for now, I'm keeping it in code.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 05, 2010, 06:19:35 pm: Quote from: guy6020665 on October 05, 2010, 06:11:19 pm
Edit post perhaps? I don't believe we are allowed to disclose such information here...

Why'd you ask, though? The ROM isn't available for download now either, anyway, because it's illegal. Except for the OS, which TI will almost definitely take off their website.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Ranman on October 05, 2010, 06:23:09 pm: I thought the ROM is the same thing as the OS.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: yunhua98 on October 05, 2010, 06:26:20 pm: nah, the ROM is Read-Only Memory, its basically something an emu can read, while an os it what the calc operates on ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 05, 2010, 06:26:40 pm: Actually, the ROM is basically a copy of the entire flash memory of the calculator. In other words, it's the flash ROM converted to a file.

An OS, on the other hand, is the operating system (as you know). They are interchangeable in some ways, since the OS is in ROM (like seven pages or something, I'm not sure).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: ztrumpet on October 05, 2010, 07:55:42 pm: Here's the response I got:
Quote
Zach,

Thank you for your reply.

I regret my previous response to you was incorrect. My response should have been the following:

TI Education Technology in the US and Canada, as well as many other regions, will continue to sell both the TI-84 Plus and TI-84 Plus Silver Edition. The TI-84 Plus Silver Edition is an important part of our product offering and we will continue to update and support this product.

Sales and marketing in all regions continually review product offerings to ensure they are meeting the needs of their markets. We currently sell products in Europe to meet specific country retail and educational markets. TI has products available in the US that are not sold in Europe, because they are not the best products to meet the specific country needs. In that vein, TI Education Technology Europe has phased out the TI-84 Plus Silver edition in those select markets.

I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.

Warmest regards,

Jo Henderson
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 05, 2010, 08:01:41 pm: So they definitely are not going to be discontinuing it here ... looks like we've been a little bit overreactive :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Agentx002 on October 05, 2010, 08:08:56 pm: OOOOVvvVVVeeRRReeAAAcccTTiiiIIIvvVVeeeEE! Who was doing that :P ? Well... Tell a community of calculator geeks that the most hackable calculator and widely popular throughout all the calculator communitys ever to exist is being discontinued by the manufacturer and what do you get? Another Voyage 200 epidemic?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Ranman on October 05, 2010, 09:59:21 pm: Quote from: yunhua98 on October 05, 2010, 06:26:20 pm
nah, the ROM is Read-Only Memory, its basically something an emu can read, while an os it what the calc operates on ;)

Quote from: Deep Thought on October 05, 2010, 06:26:40 pm
Actually, the ROM is basically a copy of the entire flash memory of the calculator. In other words, it's the flash ROM converted to a file.

An OS, on the other hand, is the operating system (as you know). They are interchangeable in some ways, since the OS is in ROM (like seven pages or something, I'm not sure).

Thanks for the comments guys. :)

I know these differences... but I thought TI allows you to download the OS file from their education website. It is just the OS and not a complete ROM... correct? At least that's what I thought the TI-89 OS files were. And those OS files work just fine on the TI-89 & TI-92+ as well as VTI. So... I guess I'm wondering why we need an entire ROM to work with the emulators.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: calcdude84se on October 05, 2010, 10:06:25 pm: Part of the 83/84+(SE)'s software is not part of the OS, and is used by the calculator. This code is why ROM's cannot legally be exchanged.
On the other hand, while the 68k calcs have similar code, the OS does not use it, while the 83+ Series calcs do.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Ranman on October 05, 2010, 10:11:04 pm: Quote from: calcdude84se on October 05, 2010, 10:06:25 pm
On the other hand, while the 68k calcs have similar code, the OS does not use it, while the 83+ Series calcs do.

Ahhh... I see... That was the missing link I needed. Thanks!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 05, 2010, 11:55:01 pm: Well, then I guess TI is just discontinuing the calcs in selected markets. Initially, what the international pages said indicated that it was worldwide, though. It wasn't very clear.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: kyllopardiun on October 06, 2010, 12:02:58 am: It's not overreacted because not everyone here is from US/Canada ...
And all others users have their right to complain.

PS: maybe if TI know all what I keep in my computer, and I was in USA probably could get jailed...

I have these ROMs:
73, 82, 83, 83 plus, 83 plus se, 84 se, 85, 86, 92

//(and trying to get 89,v200,nspires,84 plus se)

I have a installer of working version of TI interactive [cracked and modified] [1.3]

The original installer of TI interactive 1.3 with a serial//somewhat corrupted

Nspire 1.7 OSes [CAS and non CAS]
//I know it's in their website now, but I am preventing for when they releases ndless 1.7 and TI take it off their website.

installer Nspire 1.6 CAS teacher software cracked.

And all what I bought was a nspire non cas...

edit: mail me instead of PM...

[PS if anyone know about the roms or nspire os 1.1 mail me because I need to increase my archives] :D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2010, 12:13:38 am: Personally I don't think anyone overeacted. It would have been overeaction if the pages said that the product is discontinued in those countries. However, it blatantly said that production was stopped. If production stopped, how can they still provide new calcs to other countries?

Also let's not PM ROM links to each others. E-mail seems like a more secure way to do so, since PMs are stored into forum databases.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: critor on October 06, 2010, 06:24:39 am: Quote from: Deep Thought on October 05, 2010, 06:19:35 pm
Why'd you ask, though? The ROM isn't available for download now either, anyway, because it's illegal. Except for the OS, which TI will almost definitely take off their website.

The ROM includes the following things:
- OS pages
- archive pages (160Kb on the TI-83+, 128 to 192Kb on the TI-73, 480Kb on the TI-84+, 1.5Mb on the TI-83+SE/84+SE)
- certificate page (16Kb)
- boot code page (16Kb)

* We can easily rebuild the OS pages from a 73u/8xu update file, which are freely distributed.
* We don't need the archive pages and may let them blank. They'll just have to be remormatted by doing a reset.

So the only thing that is preventing us from distributing "working" ROMs, is a little 32Kb (certificate and boot).
Ridiculous, isn't it ? ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 06, 2010, 11:29:45 am: Wow, so that 32 KB is what makes all the difference...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2010, 02:49:29 pm: Quote from: critor on October 06, 2010, 06:24:39 am
Quote from: Deep Thought on October 05, 2010, 06:19:35 pm
Why'd you ask, though? The ROM isn't available for download now either, anyway, because it's illegal. Except for the OS, which TI will almost definitely take off their website.

The ROM includes the following things:
- OS pages
- archive pages (160Kb on the TI-83+, 128 to 192Kb on the TI-73, 480Kb on the TI-84+, 1.5Mb on the TI-83+SE/84+SE)
- certificate page (16Kb)
- boot code page (16Kb)

* We can easily rebuild the OS pages from a 73u/8xu update file, which are freely distributed.
* We don't need the archive pages and may let them blank. They'll just have to be remormatted by doing a reset.

So the only thing that is preventing us from distributing "working" ROMs, is a little 32Kb (certificate and boot).
Ridiculous, isn't it ? ;)
Well it depends in which country too. Some american TI sites got complaints from TI in the past for redistributing TI-83+ OSes, too.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: kyllopardiun on October 06, 2010, 10:54:05 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2010, 02:49:29 pm
Well it depends in which country too. Some american TI sites got complaints from TI in the past for redistributing TI-83+ OSes, too.

That's why I love my country, I can redistribute almost everything without anyone complaining about it :D
And once again, TI can't beat torrents ;)
neither any kind of P2P...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2010, 11:19:52 pm: True. I think in Russia they are pretty lax on that stuff too :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: calc84maniac on October 06, 2010, 11:21:49 pm: In Soviet Russia, torrents download you!
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 06, 2010, 11:23:52 pm: Quote from: kyllopardiun on October 06, 2010, 10:54:05 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2010, 02:49:29 pm
Well it depends in which country too. Some american TI sites got complaints from TI in the past for redistributing TI-83+ OSes, too.

That's why I love my country, I can redistribute almost everything without anyone complaining about it :D
And once again, TI can't beat torrents ;)
neither any kind of P2P...

Where is that, if you don't mind my asking?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2010, 11:35:52 pm: I think it was Brazil or somewhere close. Canada used to be kinda lax on Internet laws and stuff like filming in theaters, but then companies complained at them and they got stricter. I remember a torrent tracker getting blocked over here a few years ago.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 07, 2010, 06:50:40 am: hehe, but we only use the ROMS for emulating, how in gods name would they lose money? I mean, I am not going to use wabbitemu for my math test...
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2010, 09:38:11 am: Sadly, companies think they will lose billions of dollars due to emulation or they think $100-200 less in their pocket will ruin them. :P
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: yunhua98 on October 07, 2010, 09:59:46 am: Yeah, he lives in Brazil, he mentioned it in the KOS logo thread
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 07, 2010, 03:27:31 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2010, 09:38:11 am
Sadly, companies think they will lose billions of dollars due to emulation or they think $100-200 less in their pocket will ruin them. :P
well, if one manages to get a very small computer... that might help with using in class
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Galandros on October 07, 2010, 05:19:48 pm: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Very sad news. :'(

I hope an 3rd party emulator on Nspire will keep the TI-84+SE development alive for new calculator users.
And we have accurate emulators and roms to all z80 calculators, so they can live almost forever.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: fb39ca4 on October 07, 2010, 05:20:32 pm: Quote from: critor on October 06, 2010, 06:24:39 am
Quote from: Deep Thought on October 05, 2010, 06:19:35 pm
Why'd you ask, though? The ROM isn't available for download now either, anyway, because it's illegal. Except for the OS, which TI will almost definitely take off their website.

The ROM includes the following things:
- OS pages
- archive pages (160Kb on the TI-83+, 128 to 192Kb on the TI-73, 480Kb on the TI-84+, 1.5Mb on the TI-83+SE/84+SE)
- certificate page (16Kb)
- boot code page (16Kb)

* We can easily rebuild the OS pages from a 73u/8xu update file, which are freely distributed.
* We don't need the archive pages and may let them blank. They'll just have to be remormatted by doing a reset.

So the only thing that is preventing us from distributing "working" ROMs, is a little 32Kb (certificate and boot).
Ridiculous, isn't it ? ;)
We could reverse engineer that part.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2010, 06:01:38 pm: Quote from: Galandros on October 07, 2010, 05:19:48 pm
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Very sad news. :'(

I hope an 3rd party emulator on Nspire will keep the TI-84+SE development alive for new calculator users.
And we have accurate emulators and roms to all z80 calculators, so they can live almost forever.
Well fortunately now it is still in production in certain countries. Just not in a few (like Swiss/Germany).
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: yunhua98 on October 07, 2010, 06:03:30 pm: has anyone received exact confirmation from TI yet?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: ztrumpet on October 07, 2010, 06:13:16 pm: Quote from: yunhua98 on October 07, 2010, 06:03:30 pm
has anyone received exact confirmation from TI yet?
Yes. Mine's a few pages back. :)

Quote from: qazz42 on October 07, 2010, 03:27:31 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2010, 09:38:11 am
Sadly, companies think they will lose billions of dollars due to emulation or they think $100-200 less in their pocket will ruin them. :P
well, if one manages to get a very small computer... that might help with using in class
There's a version of wabbit for the DS... ;D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 07, 2010, 06:55:54 pm: Quote from: ztrumpet on October 07, 2010, 06:13:16 pm
Quote from: yunhua98 on October 07, 2010, 06:03:30 pm
has anyone received exact confirmation from TI yet?
Yes. Mine's a few pages back. :)

Quote from: qazz42 on October 07, 2010, 03:27:31 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2010, 09:38:11 am
Sadly, companies think they will lose billions of dollars due to emulation or they think $100-200 less in their pocket will ruin them. :P
well, if one manages to get a very small computer... that might help with using in class
There's a version of wabbit for the DS... ;D

Lol, I could use that if tests banned calcs but not DSs ;)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: fb39ca4 on October 07, 2010, 07:07:25 pm: Right now the best hope for keeping the 84 SE alive is to make an accurate emulator for the nspire.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2010, 07:44:00 pm: I think the DS version of Wabbitemu is far from finished, though. if I remember, it still had a lot of problems.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on October 07, 2010, 09:38:41 pm: plus, not many know how to use homebrew,

if I get an edge card, perhaps SirC can help me >.>
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Snake X on October 08, 2010, 08:18:06 pm: On a side note: I actually dump'd my 83+ rom.. :p
Also, I have a super card ds.. but..../me JUST sold his ds on ebay.. like 3 hrs ago maybe :(. Bad for this case, but yet I needed it to be sold for meh laptop :)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 08, 2010, 10:03:45 pm: Well I exchanged my DS against my bro's calc myself 2 years ago after all ;D. I did not use it much because I'm not much a console gamer anymore.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Darl181 on October 08, 2010, 11:12:28 pm: I just checked TI's site (US) and it's back on the pricelist.
Hmm...
*darl181 hopes ~~it's being continued~~ not being discontinued
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Empyreal on October 09, 2010, 01:03:51 am: I really don't see the SE, or the Z80 line for that matter, being discontinued anytime soon. On many tests they are the only graphing calculators allowed. In many classes they're required due to the large library of educational software and programs written for them. The reason TI can sell them at the price they do is because of this monopoly.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: TPM on November 16, 2010, 08:47:54 pm: I am the webmaster of Tech Powered Math. I just got an email today from the marketing manager of mathematics at Texas Instruments. He had read the article on my site referencing this thread and the rumors that the TI-84+ SE was being discontinued. He offered assurances that Texas Instruments will not be discontinuing the TI-84+ SE in North America.

My brief update here:

TI-84+ SE not being discontinued (http://www.techpoweredmath.com/texas-instruments-discontinues-ti-84/)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: calcdude84se on November 16, 2010, 08:52:38 pm: As Kerm said on Cemetech, thank you for reassuring us. :)
Welcome to Omnimaga! I hope you stay around.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: MRide on November 16, 2010, 08:53:05 pm: Oh, goody. Now we won't all be forced to buy Nspires.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: zzCoRRoDe on November 16, 2010, 08:53:45 pm: Is TI-83+ discontinued yet?
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 16, 2010, 08:54:35 pm: Quote from: zzCoRRoDe on November 16, 2010, 08:53:45 pm
Is TI-83+ discontinued yet?

Nope, definitely not. And hopefully not for a long, long time :)

I actually wonder why TI hasn't discontinued it. Maybe as a low-price alternative to the 84+?

EDIT: Low price? http://ourl.ca/7804/138005
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on November 16, 2010, 08:55:41 pm: HOLY NECROPOST BATMAN

and why would you ask? do you want it to be? Of course not silly :P (my first three reactions `-`)

welcome to omnimaga btw, have fun here. Your peanuts will arrive in half past THE GAME
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: willrandship on November 16, 2010, 08:55:47 pm: Nope, here you can buy it straight from TI

http://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?item=75174&section=10131&JServSessionIdrootdlek21=epjiio5c21.n6LzoN8L/AzOnMTOogTxpQOUtxCLbx0Ka0-- (http://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?item=75174&section=10131&JServSessionIdrootdlek21=epjiio5c21.n6LzoN8L/AzOnMTOogTxpQOUtxCLbx0Ka0--)
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Broseph Radson on November 16, 2010, 08:56:38 pm: Quote
83+: $129

O.O
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Deep Toaster on November 16, 2010, 08:58:54 pm: Quote from: Broseph Radson on November 16, 2010, 08:56:38 pm
Quote
83+: $129

O.O

Yeah ... that. Just wait till the Prizm comes out for the same price, though: http://ourl.ca/7355/126195 :D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: Broseph Radson on November 16, 2010, 08:59:47 pm: Yeah :D
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 16, 2010, 09:00:28 pm: Quote from: qazz42 on November 16, 2010, 08:55:41 pm
HOLY NECROPOST BATMAN

and why would you ask? do you want it to be? Of course not silly :P (my first three reactions `-`)

welcome to omnimaga btw, have fun here. Your peanuts will arrive in half past THE GAME
I think it was fine, it wasn't that old anyway.

Nice article by the way, and welcome here, TPM. TI can be a bit confusing sometimes, hence the rumors X.x. I was happy when they confirmed that the calc would remain in production.
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: zzCoRRoDe on November 16, 2010, 09:03:45 pm: Quote from: Deep Thought on November 16, 2010, 08:54:35 pm
Quote from: zzCoRRoDe on November 16, 2010, 08:53:45 pm
Is TI-83+ discontinued yet?

Nope, definitely not. And hopefully not for a long, long time :)

I actually wonder why TI hasn't discontinued it. Maybe as a low-price alternative to the 84+?

EDIT: Low price? http://ourl.ca/7804/138005

Agreed
Title: Re: TI-84+SE discontinued?
Post by: qazz42 on November 18, 2010, 04:49:12 pm: Agreed Dj, cause we all know the trust worthiness of TI `-`