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Title: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 20, 2011, 02:44:40 pm
It has come to our attention that TI-BANK (http://ti.bank.free.fr), one of the most active TI forum on the web, and Revsoft (http://www.revsoft.org/), which WabbitEmu comes from, are undergoing some temporary but extended downtimes right now.

In TI-BANK's case, their free hosting provider decided to suspend the website account because it used too many server resources. We do not know a lot of details, but TI-BANK has been enjoying a big increase in traffic in the last years, reaching more than 100000 visitors one month and several hundreds of downloads per hour. They have plans to solve this issue as soon as possible, although we do not know if this will involve an hosting provider change or even an URL change (when we got warned by one of our former hosts that we might be using too much resources, we got suggested to move to a VPS or dedicated server). Hopefully they can resolve this issue without too much hassle.

In Revsoft's case, the website has been down for over a week now apparently, like a few months ago. However we did not hear any news from the ones in charge, so we do not know how long will it remain offline (last year they remained down for a month once). Hopefully it is fixed soon.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporary unavailable
Post by: annoyingcalc on August 20, 2011, 02:53:11 pm
Oh no ti-bank too! that is not good hopefully it is fixed soon
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: yunhua98 on August 20, 2011, 04:50:07 pm
I hope they get fixed soon.  :(

Also, I grammer-fixed the title, since that might convey different meanings.  ;)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: NeoCrisis on August 20, 2011, 05:10:27 pm
i emailed critor yesterday afternoon (from the point of view of GMT+1, it was yesterday afternoon), he replied, having the same problem. The RSS feeds are down, as well as the board, and of course the website :/ I know their provider (who's also a famous french ISP) and I didn't think they could do that, although they are setting up protections against warez and hacks hosted on their servers (for example, you can download maximum one file at a time and 5 each 24 hours). I hope TI-Bank will come back to life once more (i mean the attack which critor and mic were facing in June). Sadly, there are no (or few) providers which offer a quality of service as powerful as their old ISP, so a commercial provider could probably be choosed. More to see in the next days ;)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Juju on August 20, 2011, 05:23:02 pm
Hm, that sucks. Hope they don't have some stuff like HADOPI involved. I think France have the reputation to be really paranoid.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: NeoCrisis on August 20, 2011, 05:24:24 pm
no Juju, hadopi cannot be involved in this situation: hadopi is for music and movies ;D
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Juju on August 20, 2011, 05:32:23 pm
I thought it was for illegal downloads in general. Hm that's stupid, it only covers 2 types of illegal downloads. (France government also have the reputation to be incredibly stupid when it comes to technology (OpenOffice is a firewall, right?).)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: NeoCrisis on August 20, 2011, 05:44:04 pm
yeah, french government doesn't know anything about ICT :/ we use old writing machines to make our driving licenses xD
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 20, 2011, 10:43:44 pm
Well if it's due to illegal downloads, I wonder if Free could have freaked out at the presence of files such as TI-Connect 1.5 or some rare TI OSes? TI did not seem to care but maybe Free got a different philosophy about that type of files.

Maybe TI-BANK just kept going above the new downloads limits?
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: NeoCrisis on August 21, 2011, 02:33:03 am
critor and I read the conditions of use (personally, i read them twice), and there is no limit of space. They did that without respecting their promises :/

If Free had found some old TI OSes, I hope (i might be wrong) they would ask TI, or TI-Bank...
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 21, 2011, 02:56:15 am
Oh rayquaza59, those space limits are pure lies. This is the same with every commercial free hosting providers or cheap hosts.

Take for example Cemetech's hosts. They have plans offering 9999 GB of webspace and 9999 GB of bandwidth. If they got 1000 websites hosted on a server and 999 of them uses 1 MB of space and the other one 9998 GB, it will be fine, same with bandwidth as long as the big site won't slow every other websites down. However, if all 1000 sites started using this much resources, then the host couldn't keep up. Now what they do is that they offer this space as long as your site won't affect server performances. Now as soon as a server starts running slow  and customers complain, the company will start checking every website to see which one is causing those performance issues. What happens next is that they shut down every site that appears to be using more resources than the others.

The sad thing is that some companies will not warn, they'll simply suspend your site, because they don't check often enough.  http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Overselling

Today, there are more and more of those plans where they offer 200 GB of webspace or even unlimited webspace for cheap amounts of money, such as $4 per month, or free hosts that offers 10 GB of webspace and bandwidth for free with no ads. However, in most cases those are lies to attract customers, because those companies know most customers won't even use all their diskspace, but when one starts doing so, they shut it down.

Sadly we can do nothing because the contracts mention that abuse of server resources can cause account suspension, no matter how much diskspace and bandwidth you use, and those contracts are ambiguous about what they mean by server resources. They will never state how much server resource usage is abuse, so that they can decide when they shut an account down.

The only solution is to choose a more expensive host that offers like only 10 GB of webspace and 100 GB of bandwidth for $20/month instead of for $3/month. Those are usually managed more properly and will simply speed-throttle your account during busy times instead of shutting it down. Else, there's the VPS/dedi server solution but that's more complicated to manage and more expensive.

The short term solution would be to get a cheap host somewhere that oversells, preferably something like Cemetech has, which seems to allow people to use a bit more resources compared to 1and1 and Free, but make sure the site scripts are optimized to avoid taking too much resources. Also keep the chat box hosted elsewhere like it is now, unless you moved to a VPS or something like Omnimaga.
That said if it's because they found GBC/NES ROMs or TI proprietary files, I agree with you that they should have sent a warning that they cannot host those files if they're still copyrighted or something. This is what TI themselves do when they want something taken down.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: TIfanx1999 on August 21, 2011, 07:07:25 am
^This. Also anyone heard from Madskillz? I'm curious as to what's going on with Revsoft.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Loulou 54 on August 21, 2011, 07:16:32 am
oh no.. I'm just coming back from holidays and I wanted to know the news in TI bank, and..
bad surprise..  :-\


I first thought that Mic closed the site in a new acces of anger.. Phew ! :)


Is the contest still ongoing ?
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: critor on August 21, 2011, 07:26:08 am
oh no.. I'm just coming back from holidays and I wanted to know the news in TI bank, and..
bad surprise..  :-\


I first thought that Mic closed the site in a new acces of anger.. Phew ! :)


Is the contest still ongoing ?


Yes, there is no reason to cancel the contest as it was hosted on 2 websites and http://www.inspired-lua.org is still online.

You can still send your project to [email protected] - the email is still working... for now.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Loulou 54 on August 21, 2011, 07:47:30 am
Ok cool.
I hope it will get better soon. :)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 21, 2011, 02:34:44 pm
Yeah I'm glad the contest is still going on.

If the downtime lasts longer than expected, do you think you could get Free to re-open TI-BANK account but just disable the site, then you could redirect users to Inspired-Lua if they were participating to the contest? I personally had to bookmark Inspired-Lua because I never got able to get the URL right (I always try nspired-lua, nspire-lua, nspired_lua, nspire_lua or similar combinations, then I eventually gave up before reaching inspired-lua). Some people from TI-BANK might have troubles finding Inspired-Lua due to being used to just typing Nspire instead of Inspire.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: critor on August 21, 2011, 02:37:23 pm
Yeah I'm glad the contest is still going on.

If the downtime lasts longer than expected, do you think you could get Free to re-open TI-BANK account but just disable the site, then you could redirect users to Inspired-Lua if they were participating to the contest?


Good idea, but...
Redirections on Free.fr web sites are fobidden too... (I've read their rules yesterday)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 21, 2011, 02:41:39 pm
Oh that sucks, well I guess you could always just put an HTML page online stating the entire contest info with the contest banner and say TI-BANK is currently unavailable but the contest is still active.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: tifreak on August 21, 2011, 06:46:21 pm
oh no.. I'm just coming back from holidays and I wanted to know the news in TI bank, and..
bad surprise..  :-\


I first thought that Mic closed the site in a new acces of anger.. Phew ! :)


Is the contest still ongoing ?


Yes, there is no reason to cancel the contest as it was hosted on 2 websites and http://www.inspired-lua.org is still online.

You can still send your project to [email protected] - the email is still working... for now.

Thanks for the new link to add to my database! :D Especially since I just cleaned out 60 of them today.. o.o
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 21, 2011, 10:53:27 pm
Only 60 were down? O.O

When I had a link section here, we had like 300 sites, but when I checked one single month later, about 20 sites were down already. I'm glad you don't have to remove too many at least but also glad you are still maintaining it since it had quite a good database.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: kyllopardiun on August 21, 2011, 11:07:59 pm
It's nice to know that the contest is still going on.

PS: upload the rules to the inspired-lua.org

otherwise, it will be hard to follow them ...
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: NeoCrisis on August 22, 2011, 03:35:04 am
i don't think Free will re-open the website.... i think they closed it because there were too many downloads (as there are on websites where you can find cracks), and if they re-open it, we will have some restrictions.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: tifreak on August 22, 2011, 08:07:43 am
Only 60 were down? O.O

When I had a link section here, we had like 300 sites, but when I checked one single month later, about 20 sites were down already. I'm glad you don't have to remove too many at least but also glad you are still maintaining it since it had quite a good database.

Yeah, I had somewhere around 180 links, maybe a few more above that. It's nice to know that it's fixed. I still need to go through the asmresc page and get those checked and cleaned out. If any are down that linked to tutorials, I'll have to see if the webarchive has those pages and get them saved to the tutorials section.

As to TI-Bank, hopefully things can be worked out to get it back up and running :<

If I can help out in anyway, I'd love to help. I have plenty of space to offer, so if any files or tutorials need to be hosted, I'd be more than glad to do it.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 24, 2011, 11:59:36 pm
I see. As for TI-BANK, I think they have other plans now, but they won't give details until it's done it seems. I hope they don't have serious issues getting their traffic back, though.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Loulou 54 on August 27, 2011, 10:23:56 am
You'll have to pay a server now ?
(Lionel, Critor, Adriweb and Levak)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Lionel Debroux on August 27, 2011, 10:27:32 am
Sure, since no zero-cost provider is up to the task :)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Loulou 54 on August 27, 2011, 10:31:11 am
^^ And how much does it cost ?
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Adriweb on August 27, 2011, 10:40:06 am
About 250€ per year, for now.

( 360 U.S. dollars )
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Loulou 54 on August 27, 2011, 10:42:41 am
Divided into four ? Honnest. :)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 27, 2011, 01:45:42 pm
So this is gonna be the same price as the previous Omni host? (The fastest/best one we got, although it was still shared hosting, unlike the current VPS Netham45 runs)
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: Madskillz on August 31, 2011, 10:10:22 pm
Hey, I thought I would stop in and at least post a little update. The active staff know that RS is down, we have been trying to get a hold of Kevin...but no luck. I was hoping we would have been up by last week, but with Kevin not in school until sometime right about now I'm not sure if he even has access to his email. One of us, either Spencer or I will take care of hosting and hopefully the domain from this point forward. That way this issue wont happen again.

Things have been kinda hectic for me the past few months, I was planning on moving, but decided to stick around with some friends. I'm working 50 hour weeks and havent had time to follow up on things or work on my projects. I've also been getting a lot of stuff going career wise so I got my fingers crossed that something comes up there. I'll post an update when I know we are back for sure.

p.s. TI-Planet looks awesome!
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 31, 2011, 10:42:20 pm
Oh it's Kevin that still owns the hosting. I hope you guys can eventually recover the data and the domain and that you can grab it yourself. It would suck if Revsoft had to get another domain name with no way to forward people from the old one to the new one and worse if you lost most stuff since the last backup.

IMHO it's best to leave the domain name and site in the hands of somebody who is still around sometimes. Granted, you aren,t on much lately (welcome back!) but at least you still show signs of life.
Title: Re: TI-BANK and Revsoft temporarily unavailable
Post by: ralphdspam on August 31, 2011, 10:50:47 pm
I hope you guys can bring back Revsoft.  
I'd hate to see it ride quietly into the night.  :\