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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on March 14, 2011, 10:25:29 pm
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TI-BANK has revealed the first pictures for the new TI-84 Pocket.Fr model, which will be available in June in France. According to them, the screen is the same size as a regular TI-84 Plus, but with the design change we can already notice it will be smaller than the regular design. It appears that it may be a similar height to the old TI-80. Also, the "Plus" word has been truncated from the calculator name too.
Will this calculator have the same hardware as other TI-84 Plus calculators? Regardless, you can find the pictures as well as additional information below:
-First TI-84 Pocket.Fr image (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1001)
-Larger one (includes a 610x1000 image link) (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1003)
-Comparing its size with other models, based on LCD size info (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1004)
On the TI-Nspire side, Critor has posted a quite scary TI-Nspire CX picture (http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6660p300-trouvaille-planetaire-nouvelle-nspire-cx-ecran-couleur-3d) on TI-BANK forums:
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/23/13/53/cx10.jpg
We hope that the calculator in this image was in low-power mode. O.O
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Is there a real picture (like, taken with a camera) of the 84 pocket?
It looks great tho.
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Not yet, sadly. Hopefully there will be some soon.
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I hope the LCD isn't as laggy as the one on the regular Nspire.
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hmmm the cx just seems to be in bad lighting... so with the ti 84 pocket model, is there any differences besides its look and screen? aka more programming functions, improved graphics, better rendering memory or RAM?
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I bet the 84+ has a similar hardware, but since the calc is smaller, I hope they didn't remove RAM or archive. I also kinda worry about the removal of the Plus name: I hope it doesn't mean the removal of flash memory support as well. (TI-83/92 == no flash and TI-83+/92+ == flash support)
As for the CX I hope the screen was just in low power mode, because otherwise the Prizm screen is most likely better. Even under bad light, if the screen had a backlight we should still see stuff kinda well.
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Yeah, we're going to have to come up with something other than 84P now... maybe 84Pk?
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good point, but even though the calc is smaller, i'd imagine since chips and such have gotten smaller yet more powerful, they didn't have to remove much. thats my guess.
And yeah, I don't think ti would advertise this color backlit screen if it was that dark. thatd just be dumb advertising.
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Yeah true, although maybe the screen just looks bad under certain angles. I remember old LCDs did that. Even the Prizm looks weird under certain angles, but it didn't seem to look that bad no matter what.
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that too it seemed to be at an odd angle. im sure you could easily get behind the screen to get a brighter backlight anyways... its usually not difficult with normal lcd screens.
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Another possibility is that the CX screen doesn't have that great a viewing angle, given the angle of the shot. But seriously, the Pocket (Pok[e acute accent]calc?) looks nice.
Edit: Multi ninja!
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My concern is if it's because of the bad angle, then why the Prizm screen is still fine at such angle? ??? To me it looks like TI might not be using the same quality LCD or backlight. I hope the LCD won't be passive either.
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I hope those aren't dithering lines I see on the screen...
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Yeah I saw that. I hope it's not the case either...
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Where's the dithering? And why is the cx picture scary?
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There are actually more keys on the CX? D: It's too bad when companies like TI forget what simplicity is :(
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Notice the scanlines at the bottom of the screen on the colored stuff. As for the scary thing, it's the darkness of the LCD that is.
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Notice the scanlines at the bottom of the screen on the colored stuff. As for the scary thing, it's the darkness of the LCD that is.
Oh, I didn't see the scanlines... As for the darkness, I thought the CX had a backlight.
But the Pocket looks really nice. Why does France get all the good designs? :P
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Most of the Prizm pics I've seen are fakes anyways, so...
Besides, who cares about the viewing angle on a handheld? It's not like you'll be holding it like that. :P as long as it's at least 45 degrees, I'm fine with it.
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Willrandship I own a prizm and I can tell you it's pretty fine at the angle the CX was in that pic. In that pic the angle isn't even that bad anyway, it's not like if it was held at 20° angle. Also it's annoying when you just move your head a bit while looking at your calc and everything suddently disappears at 30° angle like in that pic. And don't start a Casio vs TI war.
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The apparent dithering artifacts may just be JPEG artifacts. JPEG compressors will see an almost-solid-black area and compress the heck out of it under the assumption that such minute details must be unimportant, not knowing that to us it's actually the most important part of the image :p
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I hadn't thought of that. Phewf *Wipes brow.. But there's another possibility: the camera caught the screen in the act of refreshing.
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That screen angle looks pretty straight forward to me. Besides who actually looks at the screen with their head directly above the calc? When you have a calc on your desk your viewing angle isn't straight anyways. What concerns me most was what the comment on the battery life. Having to turn the the back light off just to get through the day is unacceptable. I've had my Prizm since Christmas now and haven't changed the batteries once. I use it several hours everyday and have the back light on setting 3 out of 5. In fact it has even exceeded the 140 hour claim that Casio made with just the crappy factory supplied batteries that I've used so far.
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Keep in mind the Prizm processor is setup slower than the Nspire, though. Also maybe the test was done differently. To confirm we would need to try using the calc as much as we did with a Prizm. I wouldn't be surprised if the CX was a big battery drainer, though.
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IS the resolution on the Pocket still the same? It would suck if they removed several pixels, but knowing TI...
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That cx better be on low power mode. As with the 84 pocket, there's tons of empty space on a normal 84+ so I don't see why they would need to remove any hardware, although they probably used the smaller asic with less ram <_<
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IS the resolution on the Pocket still the same? It would suck if they removed several pixels, but knowing TI...
It should probably be.
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Woooh, pictures!/me noms the pictures.
I kinda look the stylish look of the CX, and I need to find out more about the 84 Pocket.
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I thought I read somewhere the battery life for the cx is 6-8 hours.
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Did you really have to use the ABCDEF keyboard layout, TI? Really?
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I bet thats to have it be allowed for standardized testing. ;)
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Did you really have to use the ABCDEF keyboard layout, TI? Really?
Yes they did, otherwise it would be prohibited on the SAT:
Unacceptable calculators
You are not allowed to use any of the following items as a calculator:
* Laptop or a portable/handheld computer
* Calculator that has QWERTY (keyboard-like) keypad, uses an electrical outlet, makes noise or has a paper tape
* Electronic writing pad or pen-input/stylus-driven device
* Pocket organizer
* Cell phone calculator
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Did you really have to use the ABCDEF keyboard layout, TI? Really?
I'm glad they did, because of national exams acceptance (it's stupid, but some countries don't allow QWERTY).
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O_o I am confused, why is it scary? (am I missing out on a joke? O_O)
Btw, I think I shall get a TI-84 pocket.... problem is I have to see how `-` (ebay perhaps?)
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I wonder, since it's labeled .fr, would it be possible to run an english OS on it? or maybe you can just uninstall the "Francais" app. I hope it's that simple.
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They'll probably have a French OS and an English app, though(unless TI is too lazy :P)
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I was hoping they'd just use the regular OS, but I guess that's a little too lazy :P
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IS the resolution on the Pocket still the same? It would suck if they removed several pixels, but knowing TI...
Well, remember that the width (in pixels) has to be a multiple of both 6 and 8 (driver limitation). So the only possible alternative would be 48x32, which is pretty unlikely.
Unless they're using a totally different driver, of course, but that would mean rewriting the entire OS, and I seriously doubt TI did that.
EDIT: I wonder how many compatibility issues this will bring up, though O.O
O_o I am confused, why is it scary? (am I missing out on a joke? O_O)
The CX's screen is ... dark. Really dark D:
But again, it might just be the angle.
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I doubt they'd switch much and still call it an 84+. Now, if they called it the pocket grapher or similar, I'd be worried.
So..just how fast is that factor finder (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/428/42861.html) you made? :P
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They'll probably have a French OS and an English app, though(unless TI is too lazy :P)
On the 83+ in France, it's in french by default, but when deleting the Français APP, it becomes like a normal 83+.O_o I am confused, why is it scary? (am I missing out on a joke? O_O)
THe scary part is that the pic looks so dark and making us worry it will be the real screen lightning quality.
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2 more Nspire CX photos with a better angle seem to confirm the screen problem:
http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=180206
Strangely, the Casio Prizm screen looks much better in all available photos and videos with various angles...
So let's sum up things:
The TI-Nspire ClickPad screen was just scrap...
The TI-Nspire TouchPad screen is just scrap...
The TI-Nspire CX screen will still be scrap...
It may be important to make another news about this now that we have good photos... if there's still someone being able to do it here.
(I'm very sad about what's happening to the best english-speaking TI calculators forum...)
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Joerg said the screen looks much better in person:
The first pictures of the CX looked nice, but holding this cutie in your own hands is something different. It is sleek, it looks and feels just perfect and both the screen and keyboards are outstanding. Believe it or not - the keys click exactly how we liked it about 35 years ago. Not too much travel, not to hard, simply perfect. Even the plastic material used for the keys, not too mushy, not too soft, not too hard. Feels like a good old SR-51! And the screen? I can't scan it right with my equipment - just believe me. You never saw a calculator screen that crisp and bright.
Or was the post sarcastic? ???
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Ok, he used a scanner.
But strangely, the photo in the 1st post was a "photo" and seemed to show the same problem...
Or maybe it's another silly protection from TI? :P
There were frightened Casio could copy their screen, so there's a feature that makes it unreadable on scanned pictures and photos! :P:P
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Jeorg posted a follow-up about the screen:
I use an ordinary flatbed scanner for all my images in the Datamath Calculator Museum. Works perfect with traditional calculator displays but failed completely with the new backlit displays.
I shot this afternoon some pictures with a Digital Still Camera and put them on the web. They are not that crisp but show the colors of the screen much better. Just load www.datamath.org (http://www.datamath.org/) and follow the link in the headline.
I think the new photos at Datamath should lay to rest any fears about the backlight being ineffective. :)
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Well, that's a relief.
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I wonder, since it's labeled .fr, would it be possible to run an english OS on it? or maybe you can just uninstall the "Francais" app. I hope it's that simple.
As far as I'd guess it should run the same software as the regular 84's, so english shouldn't be a problem. :)
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I'm pretty sure it will be exactly like the TI-83+.fr: the standard OS (english) coming with the "Français" application preinstalled.
Just remove this application, and you get a standard TI-83+.
I don't see the point for TI to develop (and then update) a different z80 OS.
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Well, that's a relief.
Oh good, these pictures were looking worse and worse :D
So..just how fast is that factor finder (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/428/42861.html) you made? :P
Fast enough to crack the Nspire keys in ~560 ms :P
J/k, it's pretty much a pointless program from back when I had time to make pointless programs.
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It really looks like a handheld ;D
Whats next? Qwerty edition?
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It really looks like a handheld ;D
Whats next? Qwerty edition?
Well, there's the Voyage (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_v200.html)400 200 (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_v200.html), but remember that QWERTY keypads automatically disqualify a calculator for many major standardized tests, like the SAT.
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I wonder why qwerty ones are blocked from anything -- is there any legit reason?
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I wonder why qwerty ones are blocked from anything -- is there any legit reason?
I think it was because they wanted a quick and easy way to distinguish between "computers" and "calculators." Plus it's a lot easier to msg other people with a QWERTY keypad than with an ABCDE one (unless you're like me ;D).
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yeah, I can type up a sentence on the calculator pretty damn fast -- I guess once you get good at programming, you have to be able to do it that fast :)
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The real reason to block QWERTY is to block small laptops that fit the other requirements. Also, the SAT has a writing portion where typing might help.
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In 2002 and 2003 I could type faster on the calc than I do now on the computer. O.O