TEXAS INSTRUMENTS APP SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
By downloading the software and/or documentation you agree to abide by the following provisions.
Licence: Subject to your payment of any applicable license fee, Texas Instruments Incorporated ("TI") grants you a license to copy and use the software program(s) on a TI calculator and copy and use the documentation from the linked web page or CD ROM (both software programs and documentation being "Licensed Materials"). In addition to the copy resident on your calculator, you may keep a copy on your computer for backup / archive purposes only.
Restrictions: [..]: You may not use the Licensed Materials on any emulator of a TI calculator unless the emulator is obtained from TI.
If TI is going to ban the jsTIfied, I think we can set up a server in P.R.China
the emulators are perfectly legal, but their utilisation with TI's ROMs aren't.I believe it's exactly that.
The OS is a free download from TI. They made it but how can they tell us what to do with it and what not? Another (silly) example: If there is a calculator image for download (.8xp) from the TI website and I would like to set it as my wallpaper, but they told that it is forbidden to do that (don't ask why) how can they tell me not to do that?
Is this really a new addition to TI's legal agreement? I could have sworn I read that same line like 8 years ago when I downloaded an OS for my TI-89.
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS ACCORD DE LICENCE DE LOGICIEL D'APPLICATION (APP)No mention of emulators.
En téléchargeant le logiciel et/ou la documentation, vous vous engagez à respecter les dispositions suivantes.
Licence : Sous réserve du paiement de tous les frais applicables, Texas Instruments Incorporated ("TI") vous concède une licence personnelle pour copier et utiliser le(s) programme(s) logiciel(s) et la documentation afférente à partir de la page Web associée ou du CD-ROM ("Matériaux sous licence"). Outre la copie du logiciel installée sur votre calculatrice, vous êtes également autorisé à en conserver un autre exemplaire sur votre ordinateur à des fins de sauvegarde et/ou d'archivage.
Restrictions : Vous ne pouvez en aucun cas désassembler ou compiler en sens inverse la partie du programme logiciel des Matériaux sous licence qui sont fournis en format code objet.. Vous ne pouvez en aucun cas vendre, louer ou louer à crédit-bail des copies des Matériaux sous licence.
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Is this really a new addition to TI's legal agreement? I could have sworn I read that same line like 8 years ago when I downloaded an OS for my TI-89.
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS APP SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
By downloading the software and/or documentation you agree to abide by the following provisions.
License: Subject to your payment of any applicable license fee, Texas Instruments Incorporated ("TI") grants you a license to copy and use the software program(s) and documentation from the linked web page or CD ROM ("Licensed Materials"). In addition to the copy resident on your calculator, you may keep a copy on your computer for backup / archive purposes.
Restrictions: You may not reverse-assemble or reverse-compile the software program portion of the Licensed Materials that are provided in object code format. You may not sell, rent or lease copies of the Licensed Materials.
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Hey, flyingfisch, you have a banner similar to mine!
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I'll have to buy a Casio Prizm and program some C on that, instead of my TI-89 Titanium. I simply cannot let TI get away with saying this.
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I don't have more time to spen on stupid arguments like this anyway now, but yeah let's stop this and get back on topic.
Whatever your feelings of <insert device name here> and its manufacturer, discuss them as you might the weather.
Well, I'll just add my little bit and say that you can't use an emulator on a math test. So I can't see students going their entire student career without buying a physical calculator.
If they complain abouth jsTIfied, jsTIfied can just be made so it doesn't look like a ti-83 anymore. Emulating devices is not against the law, and when everything that references to TI is stripped from it, they have no reason to complain.If TI is going to ban the jsTIfied, I think we can set up a server in P.R.China
If that's ever going to happen (I doubt it....), we can actually say that jsTIfied is 'just' a z80 emulator that happens to emulate TI z80 calculator quite well... :D After all, it's up to anybody useing it that TI can be angry at, not a service provinding legal emulation which doesn't host anything of TI.
Also, it's wrong to, because of this, start saying bad things about the Ti-84C which may not be the best calculator. Therefore I will not put such banners in my signature.
EULAs are not legally binding. There's nothing to be concerned about, because this "rule" they introduced is in direct conflict with the DMCA. Seriously, this has absolutely no effect on us.
The EULA is in the packaging. It's in the manual.
They can't enforce the EULA at all. They have no legal power outside the law, no matter what implied contracts you have signed. This is because of the ridiculous ease by which people agree to the contracts.
The EULA is in the packaging. It's in the manual.
Is there some stipulation that you are bound by the software license included in the calculator packaging? I don't remember seeing TI's EULA in my 84+SE packaging, but I might have missed it.I think the EULA has been on TI website since 2004, but I don't remember seeing the OS use policies on TI website before.
In fact I'm buying the calc the second it's available for sale to me, unless it's like $239.99.That's very specific :P
why are they doing this D:Not so. You can illegally download a ROM and use it(so without buying a real calc).
I mean, you still need a real calculator to legally use a third party emulator...
In conclusion, jsTIfied is safe, Wabbitemu is safe, VirtualTI is safe, TiEmu might be safe, but TI8xemu is not (since ROMs are included in it).
... Can't we be like apple and take their OS, modify it and say it's not theirs anymore?It seems like "Yes, we can!" ;D
Just remember about TI's license:
"This Agreement will immediately terminate if you fail to comply with its terms. Upon termination of this Agreement, you agree to return or destroy the original package and all whole or partial copies of the Program in your possession and so certify in writing to TI."
:P
Just remember about TI's license:
"This Agreement will immediately terminate if you fail to comply with its terms. Upon termination of this Agreement, you agree to return or destroy the original package and all whole or partial copies of the Program in your possession and so certify in writing to TI."
:P
No problem! ;)
If you want to destroy your TI-Nspire permanently, just ask me... :P
And you might ask Brandon to permanently brick your TI-z80 Flash.
Just remember about TI's license:
"This Agreement will immediately terminate if you fail to comply with its terms. Upon termination of this Agreement, you agree to return or destroy the original package and all whole or partial copies of the Program in your possession and so certify in writing to TI."
:P
No problem! ;)
If you want to destroy your TI-Nspire permanently, just ask me... :P
And you might ask Brandon to permanently brick your TI-z80 Flash.
You only have to destroy the software, not the hardware...
TI(Belgium)-Cares replied to me: http://paste.bwns.be/p/f2c1160fe
Makes very little sense. It's not as if whether something from TI runs correctly on a non-TI emulator is of any concern to TI.It could just be to prevent hordes of people from yelling at them if they run into a bug/crash/whatever in an emulator, resulting in lots of false bug reports. But at the same time, I just think that they know they can't do anything to stop us from using their OS "innapropriately", but they decided to scare people to convince them to buy the official emulator instead. :P
Who knows... maybe in order to discourage emulation they'll eventually replace the processor in the calc with a quad-core 3.5 GHz one and add 4 GB of RAM so that it's as hard as possible to emulate it on any modern computers? O.OAnd then still hardwire the limit to the 90MHz they're at now :P How are they planning to control this anyway.
Come on, for me it's obvious. They're just trying to increase their emulators sales ($$$) to protect their investment. That's all! ;)There are several kind of people:
One thing I am thinking about is that since education is their main focus, the fact that many teachers here use WabbitEmu (often from student influences) instead of the official emulator might hurt TI's sales. Maybe if TI offered deals to schools to buy calcs/softwares in bulk for cheaper, they might decide to not renew those agreements or deals if the school starts using third-party emulators with pirated ROMs.It isn't pirated if the school dumps it from their own calculator, and it isn't against the license terms if they acquired it before the change went into effect.
What concerns me, though, is the inability for new users (not getting the ROMs before change) to use emulators.Oh, wait, we can still use old roms? yay
Oh I was refering to people who just download the .rom files on some websites like that one bay of pirate that many people know about or group.revsoft.org (although that's no longer available).One thing I am thinking about is that since education is their main focus, the fact that many teachers here use WabbitEmu (often from student influences) instead of the official emulator might hurt TI's sales. Maybe if TI offered deals to schools to buy calcs/softwares in bulk for cheaper, they might decide to not renew those agreements or deals if the school starts using third-party emulators with pirated ROMs.It isn't pirated if the school dumps it from their own calculator, and it isn't against the license terms if they acquired it before the change went into effect.
@Keoni there's a EULA in the packaging which you agree to by using the calculator.The TI-OS EULA (like virtually every other EULA) is a contract, and you are bound to the terms and conditions of that contract only if you indicate assent, and simply using the calculator does not indicate your assent to a contract that is packaged alongside the calculator.