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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: apcalc on February 23, 2011, 07:37:12 pm
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Since the original news about the new TI-Nspire CX (http://ourl.ca/9268) calculator was posted, some more information has come out about the calculator itself and the new Nspire Operating System, Version 3.0.
We have finally been able to see a picture of this calculator!:
(http://ti.bank.free.fr/images/cas_cx.png)
TI-Bank (http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=969) has put together a collection of the screenshots currently available of TI-Nspire OS 3.0, which should be released any day now. From the release of the latest TI-84 OS, we can predict that it will be updated with the new 84 ROM version 2.56 MP. Here are some of the available screenshots of OS 3.0:
(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/13/23/13/53/home3011.png)
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/nspire_lab_screenshot.png)
(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/13/23/13/53/montgo10.png)
The last of these screenshots is also assumed to be TI's first official screenshot of the Nspire CX, as originally seen in this picture:
(http://education.ti.com/images/rightcolumn/lifestyle/promo/nspire_summer-workshop_web_CX.jpg)
Also, interestingly, unless I have an issue with my web browser, this image has been removed from its original page (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/nonProductSingle/summer_workshops.html) page on TI's website.
Hopefully, more information will come about about the TI-Nspire CX and the new OS Version 3.0 in the next few days! We will most certainly get more information when the T3 conference begins this Friday! :)
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Hmm, will it be the exact same OS file for both regular Nspire calcs? If so, then this means the CX will have 84+ emulation. I forgot about OS 2.56MP being mentionned in some of their stuff before, but it was gonna be included in the next OS IIRC.
Btw I like the regular calc look more than the CAS. For the CAS I kinda prefer the CAS Touchpad one. It looks less like a giant remote control with a screen. :P
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As far as the CX calcs go, I am pretty much neutral to which one I like more, but, I do like the design of the CX calcs much more than the old hardware design (those bulges really hurt in my pocket sometimes :P)!
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Yeah I hated how the upper part was much larger. Personally I also disliked the colors of the clickpad calcs.
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Yeah I hated how the upper part was much larger. Personally I also disliked the colors of the clickpad calcs.
Ironically, when I first bought my Nspire, everyone in my school told me they loved the blue color (except myself)! I still love the darker colors of the new models, though! :)
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I really like the look of these calcs too, I thought the prizm looked too much like a cell phone :P The old Nspire is just hideous as well.
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Personally i like the Prizm look, except the huge keys at the bottom, but I prefer the TI-84 look to it.
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Hmmm... I wonder if I should buy one... The color screen is too hard to resist.
If they have proper programming support, I bet someone could make an nes emulator for it.
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If there's 84 emulation, how do you change the keypads, the seam below the arrows makes for a small 84 keypad. At least the cx doesn't have wings like the old nspire, hopefully it is more pocket friendly ::)
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I prefer the Ti-Nspire Non-CAS color scheme than this. I don't like all black. this looks amazing, I might even get one if TI doesn't overprice it like everything else they sell. I am wondering about Camdenmil's worry. It doesn't appear to have a seam anywhere for the TI-84+keypad to go in. I wonder with the calculator color will they adapt the TI-84+ to be color also?
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If they have proper programming support, I bet someone could make an nes emulator for it.
An NES Emulator (NESpire) already exists for the Nspire! :)
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An NES Emulator (NESpire) already exists for the Nspire! :)
Yeah, but it would be awesome to have color and sound!!! :w00t:
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I hope the front isn't glossy, as hinted in the second picture. I hate the look of glossy plastic.
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An NES Emulator (NESpire) already exists for the Nspire! :)
Yeah, but it would be awesome to have color and sound!!! :w00t:
Sound? Where's the headphone jack?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This had better have better Ti-Basic programming than its predecessor
But if we get some awesome C/ASM games on this thing, it will be the first calculator I buy in years
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An NES Emulator (NESpire) already exists for the Nspire! :)
Yeah, but it would be awesome to have color and sound!!! :w00t:
Sound? Where's the headphone jack?
One would make an adapter from the usb-out to a standard female trs jack. :)
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One would make an adapter from the usb-out to a standard female trs jack. :)
Hmm, that's going to be pretty tough, but the Prizm has a headphone jack. I think I'll get started on a music player. ;D
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"tonight at noon"!
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=972
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Yeah I saw some messages about this over the web then on my FB this afternoon. I wonder in which timezone Texas is... it would be nice to not miss it
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Yeah I saw some messages about this over the web then on my FB this afternoon. I wonder in which timezone Texas is... it would be nice to not miss it
Comparing with my time zone (Eastern), Texas is one hour later (so for me, this will be at 1:00_ /me thinks of a way he can get on a computer at 1:00...
I think this is Central Time Zone
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Funnily enough, they made it public at midnight-ish instead of noon. :P
One would make an adapter from the usb-out to a standard female trs jack. :)
Hmm, that's going to be pretty tough, but the Prizm has a headphone jack. I think I'll get started on a music player. ;D
That would be nice, I wonder what kind of chiptunes could the Prizm allow, since it has more Flash memory than the 84+ and faster processor...
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According to some TI staff (T3 teacher from Univers-TI-Nspire who has "worked" on the 3.0 software), the new 3.0 OS will be installable on old TI-Nspire Clickpad/TouchPad, but we'll have to use documents which are "not too big".
(http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/23/13/53/os30si10.gif)
As TI had never mentionned a free space problem with the 2.1 OS (although there is a problem: just look at the chart...) I'm very frightened this time...
My full analysis in the TI-Bank news:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=990
Feel free to translate some parts and/or reuse some images if you'd like to make a news about this.
Let's try to guess what the remainging free space (with no user documents in memory) will be.
4Mb on the basic TI-Nspire, and 6Mb on the CAS TI-Nspire ? We wouldn't be able to play nDoom any more!
They've finally found out how to prevent students from using Ndless and playing games: after the "no programming", comes the "no memory"! :P
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which are "not too big".
Ok this is scary. O.O
500 KB free space maybe? ???
Also when we bought a TI-Nspire, didn't they advertise 16 MB free space on the package? If they still do so now, then it would kinda be like false advertising after installing OS 3.0, right?
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The next TI calculator will have 3 KB user RAM and 2 KB user Flash, after TI learns that we don't want to replace our RAM/ROM chips.
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which are "not too big".
Ok this is scary. O.O
500 KB free space maybe? ???
Also when we bought a TI-Nspire, didn't they advertise 16 MB free space on the package? If they still do so now, then it would kinda be like false advertising after installing OS 3.0, right?
16Mb is ok with the CAS OS 2.0.0.
But the french package is mentionning 20Mb, which is false advertising and it's been mentionned in my news too.
(http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/13/23/13/53/touchp10.jpg)
The oldest OS you can install (according to TI) is the 2.0.0.
Look at the chart: 16Mb.
You can get allmost 20Mb with OS 2.0.0, only by using the TNOC tool.
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This sucks they do that. Also now it seems the Prizm has an advantage over the Nspire: free flash memory. On my TI-Nspire OS 2.0.1, after a fresh re-install and reset, I got less than 16 MB free. Of course, it might be better with TNOC, but it just shows how the 16 MB advertised on my TI-Nspire package is no longer true anymore.
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is there any actual info on the cx's memory size?
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They claim there will be 64 MB of RAM and 100 MB of archive.
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that sounds reasonable. and theres no way the os would even take up close to half of that. i dont think as long as ti hasnt completely encrypted and almost made it impossible to hack, that programmes should have plenty of wiggle room if not more so than the current nspires.
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that sounds reasonable. and theres no way the os would even take up close to half of that. i dont think as long as ti hasnt completely encrypted and almost made it impossible to hack, that programmes should have plenty of wiggle room if not more so than the current nspires.
We're also assuming that it's actually a 128MB flash chip, with 100MB available for user space.
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My friend and I have a theory: TI is going to create an appstore for the CX. This is the only possible reason we can think of for the existence of a Wi-Fi module and the crippling of programming.
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Well i think ti may start to realize that their monopoly can and most likely will be challenged. so they really need to start picking it up making a stronger, better calculator thats more relevant. if they keep limiting people they will go to the more attractive choices. my question is when is the calculator just going to be almost a computer? where will they draw the line?
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Let's try to guess what the remainging free space (with no user documents in memory) will be.
4Mb on the basic TI-Nspire, and 6Mb on the CAS TI-Nspire ? We wouldn't be able to play nDoom any more!
They've finally found out how to prevent students from using Ndless and playing games: after the "no programming", comes the "no memory"! :P
Using a modified nspire_emu, modified boot2, and modified OS, I got a screenshot of what it would look like if the TI-Nspire had 128MB of flash, like the CX, instead of just 32MB. If we take TI's claim that the CX has 100MB of storage available, this suggests that OS 3.0 is no more than 3.7MB larger than 2.1. (Note it could be smaller than that, since the 100MB figure might just be rounded down, so don't get outraged just yet.)
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if i see that on the cx i will scream throw it at the wall and hate ti more so than i do already (at times)
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if i see that on the cx i will scream throw it at the wall and hate ti more so than i do already (at times)
What do you mean by "see that"? You won't see OS 2.x running on the CX, of course.
If you saw that the CX had 103.7 MB available, that would be great; it would mean the OS hadn't grown at all.
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oh wait i read that wrong.... i thought it said full nvm haha. if i saw 103 mb full id do that
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One worry I have is if Nspire CX OS 3.0 is 3 MB larger than OS 2.1 for the regular calcs and the regular ones' OS 3.0 includes 84+ emulation, would this means for regular TI-Nspires the OS size increase would be even greater than that?
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One worry I have is if Nspire CX OS 3.0 is 3 MB larger than OS 2.1 for the regular calcs and the regular ones' OS 3.0 includes 84+ emulation, would this means for regular TI-Nspires the OS size increase would be even greater than that?
There wouldn't be a greater increase, but it would still be larger than the CAS OS as usual. (Well, unless they decided to bloat the emulator some more for this version, but I doubt they even touched the emulator except to use OS 2.55MP)
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Did you notice how the TI-Nspire CX screen is much smaller than the TI-Nspire screen?
I couldn't find the screen dimensions on TI website, so I've just calculated them.
The TI-Nspire CX screen is 25% smaller, no bigger than a TI-83+/84+ screen.
Find all dimensions and schematics in the TI-Bank news:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=991
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Hmm, seems like they fixed the huge calc issue (lots of people dislike how big the TI-Nspire is), but the trade-off was a smaller screen. I think the Prizm screen size was fine, but that's because fonts are so big. If the TI-Nspire CX fonts are as small as on the old one as well as other interface elements, it's gonna be much harder to read the screen...
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I'm not opposed to a smaller screen if it means this thing will fit in my pocket. I bet it also improves battery life as opposed to a larger screen.
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Also, at least we are not losing any of the screen resolution. As per TI's website, it is still 320x240. Likewise, I will be willing to give up screen size if the thing fits in my pocket! :P
EDIT: Snake_X, can you provide any information on this?
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One thing I don't understand, though, is why doesn't the LCD take almost the entire calc width? On the Prizm, the LCD does...
(http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/2010/10/Casio-PRIZM-fx-CG1-graphing-calculator.jpg)
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I wonder if TI would ever consider selling an SD card adapter slide case.....
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I'm not opposed to a smaller screen if it means this thing will fit in my pocket. I bet it also improves battery life as opposed to a larger screen.
The backlight for the color screen is going to render the battery savings from the smaller screen useless. Then again, TI might have used more efficient components this time around seeing how bad the battery life on current models is compared to an 84.
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I'm not opposed to a smaller screen if it means this thing will fit in my pocket. I bet it also improves battery life as opposed to a larger screen.
The backlight for the color screen is going to render the battery savings from the smaller screen useless. Then again, TI might have used more efficient components this time around seeing how bad the battery life on current models is compared to an 84.
Well, I meant savings compared to a larger backlit color screen. And the battery is rechargeable anyway :D
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Plus, they'll have a Li-Ion built in, so it should get 6-8 hours at the least, unless they really skimped (which, judging by the backup for the touch models. they didnt)
I hope they implement my suggestion I sent to TI-Cares. SD Card adapter slide case (think like the lab kit, but SD card slot.)
I got a reply back, and it said they will definitely pass along my suggestion, so we can hope :)
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SD card adapter would be nice, although I bet they would sell it for quite a big amount of money and it would be hard to find offline.
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Plus, they'll have a Li-Ion built in, so it should get 6-8 hours at the least, unless they really skimped (which, judging by the backup for the touch models. they didnt)
I hope they implement my suggestion I sent to TI-Cares. SD Card adapter slide case (think like the lab kit, but SD card slot.)
I got a reply back, and it said they will definitely pass along my suggestion, so we can hope :)
If it's a li ion battery, then after 5 or so years, schools will have to replace all (!) of their batteries because the calc won't last even a whole class period without recharging.
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If the battery is built in, I hope TI makes it replaceable if it only lasts 5 years. That would kinda suck if the calc was no longer functional after that time (unless we can also use regular AAA/AA batteries?)
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With their new, slimmer design, there might not be room. At least casio tried to keep the battery life closer to the traditional calc.
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Seems like they also did some changes to the Nspire GUI in v3.0.
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Yeah to me it looked different. It didn't seem that much easier to get used to, though. I still much prefer the empty TI-83+ screen and pressing keys to open menus.
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whoah os 3.0 is nearly out with TI-npsire CX? i am so behind the times! will it work for older nspires?
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Yeah it will. I'M not sure if it will keep 84+ emulation, though. If it does, it will most likely be pretty large.
Also I wonder if the new CX will support mass storage device mode for transfer? Haven't TI learned from the many connection issues people get with TI-Connect and link software?
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I dont think they will implement that, because it will make file transferring at school too much easy x.x
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Maybe, but currently it's a major PITA to get TI-Connect and other softwares to work even at home. Some people have to reformat their computer. Also if file transfering at school was too easy, then why is the Casio Prizm, which supports MSD mode, allowed there?
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Whats a PITA?
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Also I wonder if the new CX will support mass storage device mode for transfer?
This is something that would be implemented in software, not in hardware, so the real question is if the new OS 3.0 will support it. I'd say unlikely:
1) they would have to switch from their currently used Datalight Reliance filesystem, to something that PC operating systems can recognize (i.e. FAT) - so anyone upgrading their calculator to the new OS would lose all their documents.
2) TI probably doesn't want us able to easily mess around with stuff outside /documents (remember how Ndless 1.1 worked?)
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Ah, right. Too bad. :/
I wonder if then there would be a way for them to at least make their linking softwares more efficient? I absolutely hate how all of a suddent, one day, my 84+ is no longer detected for a week by my computer, then magically, it starts working again the next week, even without rebooting.
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Whats a PITA?
Pain In The A**
If the switch was made to fat, would there be less fs overhead and more space for files?
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If the switch was made to fat, would there be less fs overhead and more space for files?
Maybe. I don't know how much overhead is due to the FlashFX wear-leveling system and how much is due to the Reliance filesystem.
Anyway, the FAT filesystem kind of sucks because it can't be implemented in a way that avoids getting it corrupted in the event of a crash. A simplified example: To create a file, you have to both write a directory entry for it that tells what the file's first cluster is, and write to the File Allocation Table to mark the clusters as used. If the OS crashes after you write the directory entry but before you write to the FAT, now the file exists but is located in space marked as free, so if that space ever gets allocated for a different file, the old file is corrupted. It's better to write to the FAT first, but then if the OS crashes you've got clusters marked as used that aren't really used (this is why in the DOS/Win9x days, free space would diminish over time and you had to run 'scandisk' to recover it).
Modern filesystems - such as Windows NTFS, Linux ext3, and presumably Datalight Reliance - have their data structures set up so that if the OS crashes in the middle of an operation, it's possible to detect the partially-finished operation and "roll back" to the previous valid state.
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I heard something about 12 or 13 April for the release of the 3.0 OS for the nspire but i'm not sure about the cx release.
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What's your source?
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A TI distributor here in my country. sufficiently reliable? :p
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I'm not questionning your reliability.
I'm just "interested" ;)
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For some reasons, it seems sources from countries other than France and USA are more reliable in general. Stefan Bauwens got told the Nspire won't have extra programming capabilities on his first try. O.O
Didn't I read somewhere that the CX would come out in May by the way? I hope TI won't delay the release over and over, although it would be good for the Prizm sales I guess.
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After many requests from angry users to TI-France, it has been officially annonced today that Nspire CX calculators sold in France will include the slidecase.
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1027
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After many requests from angry users to TI-France, it has been officially annonced today that Nspire CX calculators sold in France will include the slidecase.
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1027
Does this mean that the ones sold in the United States will also come with a slidecase?
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After many requests from angry users to TI-France, it has been officially annonced today that Nspire CX calculators sold in France will include the slidecase.
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1027
Does this mean that the ones sold in the United States will also come with a slidecase?
I don't think so...
"France" is clearly mentionned in TI's post.
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So, can we expect "Critor's slidecase import business" to start taking off?
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:P
You can buy the sildecase separately for 3$ in North America.
I don't think I could sell it cheaper (customs, taxes...).
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Time to email TI-Caresless about this!
(Although, I have been doing terrible with e-mails to large companies in the past few weeks. Two of my emails to the College Board and one email to TI have gone ignored :()
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:P
You can buy the sildecase separately for 3$ in North America.
I don't think I could sell it cheaper (customs, taxes...).
I don't think I could sell it at all.
"Get 'cha $3 pieces of plastic heeya! Get-chyo plastic heeya!"
I'm a horrible salesman.
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I don't understand why it's so hard for them to include a slide case. It's been their standard for YEARS. Why change all of a sudden?
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...because people want slide cases and would pay extra for them :-\
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Now, at least there'll be a viable market for third party slide cases - sorta like the skins for iphones/itouches,