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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: Juju on June 06, 2012, 07:52:27 pm

Title: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Juju on June 06, 2012, 07:52:27 pm
Hi everyone,

Today, Wednesday, 6th, June 2012, TI updated its OS for the TI-Nspire series (CX or not and CAS or not), to version 3.2 (more precisely 3.2.0.1212).

However, we do not encourage -whoever has to take exams with calculators allowed to update yet, since :

- This OS, as we announced it months ago, comes with an additional protection that fixes the flaws used by Ndless 3.1. You then will NOT be able to use Ndless 3.1 on it (thus not all the programs that require it, especially mViewer for example). Ndless 3.2 will have to be needed, whenever it comes out (it may take months) (But you can donate to Extended ! (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=olivier%2ecalc%40gmail%2ecom&lc=US&item_name=Ndless&currency_code=EUR&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted) :P) But apparently the downgrade protection only got set to 3.1.0 (and not 3.2.0 as expected), so you can go back to OS 3.1 and use Ndless without problem! You can no longer downgrade to 3.0.1 though.

- No independant tests have been made to see if there still are some bugs (or new ones), on different points like maths (CAS), or on a general usage level, or also on a deeper technical level (boot …) (We remember the OS 3.X which contained a bug causing some Nspires to become unusable.... (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7970)).

- It is possible that some documents created with OS 3.2 aren't fully compatible with previous OSes. This will especially be the case of scripts using the new functions of the 3.2 API (http://wiki.inspired-lua.org/Changes_in_OS_3.2).


This OS was quite expected, since TI improved the math features and the Lua scripting (http://www.inspired-lua.org) ones, and created quite some buzz around it. Some features of the OS 3.2 had been annouced duting the 2012 international "T3" conference in Chicago (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8843).
Few weeks ago,  TI published a PDF (http://education.ti.com/sites/US/downloads/pdf/TI-Nspire%203%202%20Release%20Notes.pdf) showing its main new features, which we summarized in this topic (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=121248)
Here are some previews in images (some are animated) :
http://imgur.com/a/rIG8E (http://imgur.com/a/rIG8E)

If you are not affected by the warnings above, or that you are willing to take some risks let us know what you think of this new OS. We can't recall enough the the use of TNOC (http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=1922), the for Clickpad and Touchpad models, who still have a boot2 which remained at 1.4, a version allowing users to keep some control of their machines. Works even after having updated to a "downgrade-protected" OS since DowngradeFix (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=8955&p=122163) breaks it.

(If you have any qyestion or a doubt, please reply in this topic)
Download links :
- OS 3.2 TI-Nspire (http://education.ti.com/downloads/files/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-Nspire-3.2.0.1212.tno).
- OS 3.2 TI-Nspire CAS (http://education.ti.com/downloads/files/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-NspireCAS-3.2.0.1212.tnc).
- OS 3.2 TI-Nspire CX (http://education.ti.com/downloads/files/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-NspireCX-3.2.0.1212.tco).
- OS 3.2 TI-Nspire CX CAS (http://education.ti.com/downloads/files/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-NspireCXCAS-3.2.0.1212.tcc).
- OS 3.2 TI-Nspire CM (http://education.ti.com/downloads/files/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-NspireCM-3.2.0.1212.tmo).
- OS 3.2 TI-Nspire CM CAS (http://education.ti.com/downloads/files/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-NspireCMCAS-3.2.0.1212.tmc).
- Windows Nspire 3.2 Student (http://).
- Windows Nspire 3.2 Teacher (http://).
- Mac Nspire 3.2 Student (http://).
- Mac Nspire 3.2 Teacher (http://).

(not PC/Mac software not uploaded yet...)

By the way, what would you like for OS 3.3 (or even 4.0 !) ;-) ? ?


Source : TI-Planet.org (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=9420)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Levak on June 06, 2012, 07:54:45 pm
Downgrade protection moved from 3.0.1 to 3.1.0 (so you can downgrade but only to 3.1.0)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 06, 2012, 07:59:37 pm
(jut edited a bit for clarification + spacing)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Juju on June 06, 2012, 08:00:51 pm
I kept editing it as well for more clarification. Also thanks TI-Planet for the announcement :)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: AzNg0d1030 on June 06, 2012, 08:12:43 pm
Wow I really want this... But I really don't want to lose Ndless T_T
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Juju on June 06, 2012, 08:50:07 pm
Well, technically you're gonna lose Ndless, but you can reinstall it later.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: annoyingcalc on June 06, 2012, 09:04:44 pm
I hope it stays possible to downgrade
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Levak on June 06, 2012, 09:09:43 pm
I hope it stays possible to downgrade
It has been tested using an emulator (downgrade), and there are also keys that the downgrade protection is 3.1.0 (instead of 3.0.1).
So, in theory, it is possble to downgrade. No one here has tested on HW because it was 2am in France :D (3am now)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Juju on June 06, 2012, 09:15:13 pm
I thought Adriweb confirmed it worked on HW?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: northern_snow on June 06, 2012, 09:32:14 pm
According to a Chinese user who participated in a training of Nspire Lua in Shanghai, TI hasn't released the OS on its site because of the compatibility problem of Chinese environment... And the wireless connection sometimes delayed.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: renatose on June 06, 2012, 09:58:17 pm
I just tested the downgrade in my own nspire: I had 3.1, installed 3.2, then installed 3.1 back and ndless again.
That all went fine.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: jwalker on June 06, 2012, 10:07:15 pm
im happy but sad.... I will update only one of my nspires
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Darl181 on June 07, 2012, 01:05:22 am
/me is wondering if the anti-downgrade protection being one OS lower was on purpose or otherwise
Hoping it was intended..

Maybe, after the mess with the other OS bricking calcs (3.0 iirc?) they're allowing some way out in case something crops up?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 07, 2012, 04:06:47 am
I have just successfully removed my 3.2 dev version and installed the production version.
Anyway, TI did not yet update the links on their website. It's not yet officially out :P
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 07, 2012, 07:45:49 am
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Maybe, after the mess with the other OS bricking calcs (3.0 iirc?) they're allowing some way out in case something crops up?
Yeah, that's the only plausible explanation for OS 3.2.0.1212 allowing downgrade to OS 3.1.0.392: letting users a way out of the bugginess (if any - time will tell) of OS 3.2.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 07, 2012, 08:04:19 am
It does work.

Just install it as usual :)


Something like :
nspire_emu /1=boot1cx.raw /MXC /PB=boot2cx.img  /PO=os32.tcc
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 07, 2012, 08:20:13 am
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But I guess it has to be prepared with TNOC like the previous version, right?
Not for emulator usage, but definitely for real calculator usage, especially if you're using a Clickpad / Touchpad that still has the good old boot2 1.4.1571.

Removing TI's newer boot2 (a.k.a trojan horses) is a must for keeping a bit of control on your calculator, and being able to more easily exercise your freedom to tinker :)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 07, 2012, 09:38:50 am
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Maybe, after the mess with the other OS bricking calcs (3.0 iirc?) they're allowing some way out in case something crops up?
Yeah, that's the only plausible explanation for OS 3.2.0.1212 allowing downgrade to OS 3.1.0.392: letting users a way out of the bugginess (if any - time will tell) of OS 3.2.
If that's the case, I can assure you 3.2.1 will come out very soon with no downgrade below 3.2 :P
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 07, 2012, 09:49:24 am
Quote
Maybe, after the mess with the other OS bricking calcs (3.0 iirc?) they're allowing some way out in case something crops up?
Yeah, that's the only plausible explanation for OS 3.2.0.1212 allowing downgrade to OS 3.1.0.392: letting users a way out of the bugginess (if any - time will tell) of OS 3.2.
If that's the case, I can assure you 3.2.1 will come out very soon with no downgrade below 3.2 :P
That will undoubtedly occur ASAP, if OS 3.2.0.1212 proves to be mathematically correct enough: TI doesn't care about our freedom to tinker.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: critor on June 07, 2012, 10:03:38 am
Quote
Maybe, after the mess with the other OS bricking calcs (3.0 iirc?) they're allowing some way out in case something crops up?
Yeah, that's the only plausible explanation for OS 3.2.0.1212 allowing downgrade to OS 3.1.0.392: letting users a way out of the bugginess (if any - time will tell) of OS 3.2.
If that's the case, I can assure you 3.2.1 will come out very soon with no downgrade below 3.2 :P
That will undoubtedly occur ASAP, if OS 3.2.0.1212 proves to be mathematically correct enough: TI doesn't care about our freedom to tinker.

To my advice, it just became more likely to happen sooner after that topic:
http://ourl.ca/16356/305241;topicseen#new
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Hayleia on June 07, 2012, 10:20:16 am
To my advice, it just became more likely to happen sooner after that topic:
http://ourl.ca/16356/305241;topicseen#new
Yeah, you can't even know how my morning was.
-I see OS 3.2 is out so I become to be sad.
-I see downgrade possibility so I become happy as if it was my birthday.
-I see PTTKiller. Enough said.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: hellninjas on June 07, 2012, 11:01:07 am
Is the new Lua scripting just like normal Lua? Or is it based differently since it's on calc?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2012, 11:11:41 am
how do you mean on calc? you still have to make everything on the pc..
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: hellninjas on June 07, 2012, 11:12:37 am
oh, I thought it would give the ability for lua on calc x.x
oh well, Jimbauwens needs to teach me ^.^
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: apcalc on June 07, 2012, 03:09:10 pm
Nice to see a new release, even if it does not promote ndless.  At least TI still cares about updating their calcs! :)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 07, 2012, 04:56:22 pm
oh, I thought it would give the ability for lua on calc x.x
oh well, Jimbauwens needs to teach me ^.^

You technically can program on-calc, using programs like OcLua :)
But it's quite tedious with the nspire keyboard....
Also, if you want to learn Nspire-Lua : http://www.inspired-lua.org and http://wiki.inspired-lua.org for the API
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: cyanophycean314 on June 07, 2012, 05:14:20 pm
oh, I thought it would give the ability for lua on calc x.x
oh well, Jimbauwens needs to teach me ^.^
Most all of my projects start on the calculator and I eventually bring them onto the computer. I can touch type with their (hard-to-use) keyboard :D
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: 3rik on June 07, 2012, 10:12:02 pm
- Windows Nspire 3.2 Student (http://).
- Windows Nspire 3.2 Teacher (http://).
- Mac Nspire 3.2 Student (http://).
- Mac Nspire 3.2 Teacher (http://).

(not PC/Mac software not uploaded yet...)

I just downloaded the student software from here (http://education.ti.com/calculators/downloads/US/Software/Detail?id=6769), so the main news article should probably be updated. I don't know about the teacher software.

The script editor looks very handy for writing Lua. They also have updated documentation here (http://education.ti.com/downloads/guidebooks/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-Nspire_Scripting_API_Reference_Guide/TI-Nspire_Scripting_API_Reference_Guide_EN.pdf) for the new functions.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 08, 2012, 12:34:06 am
i'm testing the OS in the calculator, using tnoc and downgradefix, it can return to previous versions of the OS without problem,  the teacher software works perfectly and the new scriping tool looks great, now any one can open a tns file and create or edit the script with lua, also the scriping tool let you see in realtime what can your code do at the actual state of the programation
it's amazing
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 08, 2012, 01:46:51 am
The script editor looks very handy for writing Lua. They also have updated documentation here (http://education.ti.com/downloads/guidebooks/ti-nspire/3.2/TI-Nspire_Scripting_API_Reference_Guide/TI-Nspire_Scripting_API_Reference_Guide_EN.pdf) for the new functions.
Ah, good, they finally updated it :)
This documentation, in that state, is exactly what I'm trying to put on http://wiki.inspired-lua.org but ... in a better way :P
See by yourself : [lua]gc:drawString[/lua], [lua]cursor.set[/lua] ...
I don't know what I'll do about the huge physics part....
Also, summary for changes in 3.2 : http://wiki.inspired-lua.org/Changes_in_OS_3.2
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: ElementCoder on June 08, 2012, 07:13:07 am
i'm testing the OS in the calculator, using tnoc and downgradefix, it can return to previous versions of the OS without problem,  the teacher software works perfectly and the new scriping tool looks great, now any one can open a tns file and create or edit the script with lua, also the scriping tool let you see in realtime what can your code do at the actual state of the programation
it's amazing
Now that we know one can go back to OS 3.1  :), does ndless still work (I assume it does, but just to be sure)? nvm, it does.
Well, I'm gonna upgrade too, mess around a bit and explore the new functions. Though I am a bit scared... :-\
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: ElementCoder on June 08, 2012, 11:51:45 am
Teacher software can be downloaded here: http://education.ti.com/calculators/downloads/US/Nspire-Update/Select-Software-Name fill in the form, and you can get it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 08, 2012, 12:13:30 pm
filling this form, will register some info and will send an e-mail to you with a link to download page, we are only testing the software, go to the download page directly:

http://education.ti.com/html/nspire/te.html

with the 90 day trial, teacher software is perfect to evaluate all functions
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Hayleia on June 08, 2012, 12:49:16 pm
Has someone tried to make Ndless run on OS 3.2 ?
That would be awesome O.O
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 08, 2012, 01:04:00 pm
We need to find another exploit for Ndless to run on 3.2.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Hayleia on June 08, 2012, 01:06:40 pm
Stupid me, it was written -.-
I just remembered that it was possible to downgrade with it and then I just posted this without checking the first post again.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: renatose on June 09, 2012, 07:44:12 am
Does anyone knows or believes it TI is making any software targeted on linux machines?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 09, 2012, 08:12:18 am
Does anyone knows or believes it TI is making any software targeted on linux machines?
They do not plan to do so :(
(At least that's the answer I got last summer).

Also, which software would you want to run ?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 09, 2012, 08:13:59 am
In divisions other than TI Education, there's some Linux-related development; but TI Education is not known to be interested in making Linux-related software development.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: ElementCoder on June 10, 2012, 07:48:14 am
Has anyone else noticed the dramatic decrease in speed in the notes app and TI-BASIC (and probable some other places too)? It's unbearable. Loops, for example, are very slow with printing results to the screen, really annoying since I was developing something that does that a lot. I read that the slowness in the notes app is caused by bad XML, it's a tree with a leaf for every word O.O (and a word has a lot of params). I think I'll return to OS 3.1 again for now...

This loop finished in +/- 20 sec on OS 3.1 and in approx 2 min. ( :o) on OS 3.2
Code: [Select]
Local i
For i,1,100
Disp i," ",(i^2)-1
EndFor
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: hoffa on June 10, 2012, 07:51:45 am
They probably knew it was going to be buggy and that they would get a lot complaints, no wonder they allowed downgrading this time. ("especially since [...]" messages incoming?)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Levak on June 10, 2012, 08:03:49 am
Has anyone else noticed the dramatic decrease in speed in the notes app and TI-BASIC (and probable some other places too)? It's unbearable. Loops, for example, are very slow with printing results to the screen, really annoying since I was developing something that does that a lot. I read that the slowness in the notes app is caused by bad XML, it's a tree with a leaf for every word O.O (and a word has a lot of params). I think I'll return to OS 3.1 again for now...

This loop finished in +/- 20 sec on OS 3.1 and in approx 2 min. ( :o) on OS 3.2
Code: [Select]
Local i
For i,1,100
Disp i," ",(i^2)-1
EndFor


grilled : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tinspire/_mB8zLLoCLg
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 10, 2012, 08:11:09 am
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They probably knew it was going to be buggy and that they would get a lot complaints, no wonder they allowed downgrading this time.
Indeed. It's not at all that they're aiming to be nice to native code usage, it's that their product is defective and they badly need to provide users a way to escape.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 10, 2012, 10:46:41 am
Good news btw : some bugs (I don't have info on which ones) have already been fixed, but not in time for the 3.2 release.
So, next update...
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 10, 2012, 12:24:35 pm
Do you mean new bugs caused by 3.2 or old bugs?  From what I read on the nspire teachers site, 3.2 has caused new bugs which is not good news. :w00t:
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 10, 2012, 12:28:23 pm
Some of the new bugs have been fixed.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 10, 2012, 12:43:42 pm
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From what I read on the nspire teachers site, 3.2 has caused new bugs which is not good news.
It did, indeed. But did anyone seriously expect better from TI, despite the delay of three months ? :D
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 10, 2012, 12:45:37 pm
Yep, in 3.2 : new bugs came, some old ones were fixed and some others (but sometimes there are even on the 68k) were not.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 10, 2012, 03:18:29 pm

I guess not. 
Quote
From what I read on the nspire teachers site, 3.2 has caused new bugs which is not good news.
It did, indeed. But did anyone seriously expect better from TI, despite the delay of three months ? :D
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: ruler501 on June 10, 2012, 03:19:26 pm
What are the bugs?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 10, 2012, 05:32:27 pm
Slowness in Basic loops, still some CAS bugs, and still a bug that was in 3.1 about a random reboot with 3D graphs
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: ElementCoder on June 11, 2012, 08:55:48 am
Has anyone else noticed the dramatic decrease in speed in the notes app and TI-BASIC (and probable some other places too)? It's unbearable. Loops, for example, are very slow with printing results to the screen, really annoying since I was developing something that does that a lot. I read that the slowness in the notes app is caused by bad XML, it's a tree with a leaf for every word O.O (and a word has a lot of params). I think I'll return to OS 3.1 again for now...

This loop finished in +/- 20 sec on OS 3.1 and in approx 2 min. ( :o) on OS 3.2
Code: [Select]
Local i
For i,1,100
Disp i," ",(i^2)-1
EndFor


grilled : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tinspire/_mB8zLLoCLg

I said I read it somewhere.  I'm not claiming I discovered it, I read it, ran the example on my calc and decided to post it, and then forgot where I read it. So if it seems like I claim it as my discovery, sorry for that :), I was just pointing to it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 11, 2012, 09:09:06 am
Ah, don't worry about it ;)

I have send some benchmarks to TI regarding this bug a couple of days ago, and they are looking into it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Levak on June 11, 2012, 09:21:19 am

I said I read it somewhere.  I'm not claiming I discovered it, I read it, ran the example on my calc and decided to post it, and then forgot where I read it. So if it seems like I claim it as my discovery, sorry for that :), I was just pointing to it.
But in the thread you read, there were two questions. One regarding the slowiness of the Disp function, and another one regarding the Notes app. The XML tree problem is in the Notes app. I have never looked closely how the Calculus app was encoded.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 12, 2012, 05:37:15 pm
wow 3.2 is slowest!!!

Local i
For i,1,100
Disp i," ",(i^2)-1
EndFor

in os 3.1 it takes 14 sec to complete but in os 3.2 it takes 51 sec
it happen too with the 'While' function
what happen to TI?
fortunately OS 3.1 can open 3.2 files, then we can use scriping software 3.2 whith api 1.0 and use this in calculators with OS 3.1
now... os 3.2 has new interesting functions that someone could need then:
depending of what kind of use anyone want, will use 3.1 or 3.2

i will test more... i think that the problem can be the 'Disp' function and not the loops
because, the progams that i did some time ago with no loops, takes some time to display al text that it has to
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: cyanophycean314 on June 12, 2012, 05:41:11 pm
That is a pretty big slowdown...  :o
Basic, right?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 12, 2012, 05:42:46 pm
It is the Disp function that is the problem. How more arguments how slower. TI is aware of the issue and looking into it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 12, 2012, 05:50:38 pm
Basic, yes
I just try my program in the system 3.1 and the print speed is dramatically faster than in OS 3.2
we'll have to wait for the next update to correct this horrible bug
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 12, 2012, 07:51:26 pm
If TI tested 3.2, wouldn't it be apparent on some level that it is much slower than 3.1.  And if that is true, does that indicate that TI doesn't do much testing but counts on the customer to find their screw ups for them, for free of course.  That's the only way I can understand why the os updates are constantly flawed, and I wonder how math teachers have time to do things like develope lesson plans when they are constantly reacting to new os bugs and other hardware issues if they use nspires to teach.     
It is the Disp function that is the problem. How more arguments how slower. TI is aware of the issue and looking into it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 12, 2012, 08:07:57 pm
I actually wonder how nobody testing the BASIC stuff saw that o_O
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: jwalker on June 12, 2012, 08:46:56 pm
they probably think everyone is going to switch to lua. lol
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 13, 2012, 03:28:24 am
If TI tested 3.2, wouldn't it be apparent on some level that it is much slower than 3.1.  And if that is true, does that indicate that TI doesn't do much testing but counts on the customer to find their screw ups for them, for free of course.  That's the only way I can understand why the os updates are constantly flawed, and I wonder how math teachers have time to do things like develope lesson plans when they are constantly reacting to new os bugs and other hardware issues if they use nspires to teach.     
The thing is, TI let's many teachers beta test the software so I have no idea how this could not be noticed. Anyway, you are right. They shouldn't depend on teachers/others to test it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 13, 2012, 06:51:37 am
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The thing is, TI let's many teachers beta test the software so I have no idea how this could not be noticed. Anyway, you are right. They shouldn't depend on teachers/others to test it.

Since TI allows down grading from 3.2 back to 3.1, which I think is uncharacteristic for TI, that suggests to me that perhaps they knew about the speed problem and chose not to fix it and/or there is some other major flaw that is yet to be discovered.       
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 13, 2012, 07:54:34 am
I don't think they knew about it. The release was already postponed to solve some issues .. so I think they would not have released it if they knew about it.
The people (who are on a pretty high level with TI) did not know about the bug, and they already fixed some of the ones we reported.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: runeazn on June 13, 2012, 10:37:08 am
so how do i downgrade D:?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 13, 2012, 11:10:19 am
runeazn, you have to conect the calculator and send to it the file of OS 3.1, the calculator will accept the file and install the previous OS
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: runeazn on June 13, 2012, 11:10:50 am
oh no need for special program ahh k :P
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 13, 2012, 11:15:01 am
first time i try to downgrade 3.2 to 3.1 i used downgrade fix
but yesterday reading a post, i tested it and works perfectly
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: ExtendeD on June 13, 2012, 03:29:59 pm
I don't think they knew about it. The release was already postponed to solve some issues .. so I think they would not have released it if they knew about it.
The people (who are on a pretty high level with TI) did not know about the bug, and they already fixed some of the ones we reported.

Anyway it's clear evident that they have not trust in their own quality assurance anymore. But still focusing on "fixing" the Ndless issue... How irresponsible and irrelevant.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 13, 2012, 04:43:36 pm
Yes, that is true.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 13, 2012, 04:55:01 pm
I don't think they knew about it. The release was already postponed to solve some issues .. so I think they would not have released it if they knew about it.
The people (who are on a pretty high level with TI) did not know about the bug, and they already fixed some of the ones we reported.

Anyway it's clear evident that they have not trust in their own quality assurance anymore. But still focusing on "fixing" the Ndless issue... How irresponsible and irrelevant.

Well, every company do beta tests with other people than "inside", but it's still very bad for the image hat bugs like that didn't get fixed in time.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 14, 2012, 01:10:45 am
That such major bugs as the slowness were not discovered, or fixed before the release, means that their beta-testing is severely inadequate, and/or that they don't care.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Levak on June 14, 2012, 04:48:11 am
That such major bugs as the slowness were not discovered, or fixed before the release, means that their beta-testing is severely inadequate, and/or that they don't care.
They care only for the next release, as if the beta testing is here to write in advance the roadmap for the next OS -_-
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 14, 2012, 11:43:20 am
Yes. And that surely means incompetent management.  It seems clear that the high level management doesn't have the Engineering Background from which to direct the Software People properly.  Considering the big spin and sales effort, I have to believe that management lacks integrity and likely believes that spin and strategy, and not a great product is the key to sucess.  Makes me feel very comfortable to use their products.
 
That such major bugs as the slowness were not discovered, or fixed before the release, means that their beta-testing is severely inadequate, and/or that they don't care.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 14, 2012, 11:44:38 am
Well I think you're going too far with unproven conclusions about many people from simple/small facts based on an update.
But we won't argue that here, it's quite pointless.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: aeTIos on June 14, 2012, 12:45:12 pm
You can downgrade 3.2, isnt it?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: TheMachine02 on June 14, 2012, 01:20:55 pm
yes, to 3.1.0
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 14, 2012, 01:21:42 pm
Has that not been said at least 12 times already?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: TheMachine02 on June 14, 2012, 01:23:18 pm
Has that not been said at least 12 times already?

yes ... it is even in the first post
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: jskipman on June 14, 2012, 11:03:35 pm
I need URL to the TI-NspireCXCAS-3.1.0.392.tcc  ?? I am stuck on 3.0.x and can only find 3.2 from TI ..please :)
thank you!
Jason
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Hayleia on June 15, 2012, 01:04:25 am
I need URL to the TI-NspireCXCAS-3.1.0.392.tcc  ?? I am stuck on 3.0.x and can only find 3.2 from TI ..please :)
thank you!
Jason
It should be somewhere in this list (http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_list.php?id=OS+Nspire) :)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: TheNlightenedOne on June 17, 2012, 11:56:18 am
I really want the new features, but I also really like ndless. I might be getting another Nspire though, so if I do, ill upgrade one and leave the other.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Nick on June 17, 2012, 12:20:09 pm
why would you buy a second nspire just to be able to get best of both worlds? i mean, it's $/€150 ö
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: TheNlightenedOne on June 17, 2012, 12:38:25 pm
No, I might be getting a grayscale off eBay for testing.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 20, 2012, 01:23:39 pm
hey!
new OS version 3.2.1219
downloading.....
maybe the disp problem was solved
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Hayleia on June 20, 2012, 02:32:25 pm
hey!
new OS version 3.2.1219
downloading.....
maybe the disp problem was solved
??? ???
You really seem to don't care about Ndless at all. Moreover, if you use basic, lots of new problems appeared in this version, you know.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 20, 2012, 02:34:13 pm
3.2.1219 isn't much different. The slowness isn't fixed yet, but the cause has been found.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Levak on June 20, 2012, 02:34:16 pm
hey!
new OS version 3.2.1219
downloading.....
Thanks, we downloaded everything
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maybe the disp problem was solved
nope
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 20, 2012, 06:13:05 pm
bah
why can't TI fix that bug?
i will send TI a new message about the problem, saying that it persist in new version
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 20, 2012, 06:36:12 pm
Time out.  TI can fix the problem.  The question is will they and if they do, will it be done in a timely manner?
   
bah
why can't TI fix that bug?
i will send TI a new message about the problem, saying that it persist in new version
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 20, 2012, 08:31:02 pm
timely manner...
what do you mean?
before losing the attention of consumers?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 20, 2012, 09:59:49 pm
To me a timely manner means not having to wait till the next os update. 
timely manner...
what do you mean?
before losing the attention of consumers?
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 21, 2012, 01:57:18 am
Making hotfixes without waiting for the next OS update is possible with Ndless. One such hotfix exists for OS 3.1.0.392: fixprint, http://ti-pla.net/a4227 . However, of course, we don't have Ndless for OS 3.2...
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 21, 2012, 06:49:49 am
I guess I didn't express my answer very well.  To fix the problem in a timely manner, means to me that TI fixes the problem and issues an updated os before the next "normally scheduled" os which is many months from now.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on June 21, 2012, 06:57:44 am
TI will fix the issue, and they will update it as soon as they can. I'm sure they will not waits months to release it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on June 21, 2012, 09:28:12 am
TI will fix the issue, and they will update it as soon as they can. I'm sure they will not waits months to release it.
Well I'm not so sure but I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 21, 2012, 01:45:29 pm
May I ask what your assertions are based on.  Do you have some insider info are would you just be speculating and if you have some insider source, can you tell us if there is going to be an nspire ipad app this year.  My suspicion is that TI is just not going to support that platform so the schools might as well transition from nspires to an existing iPad app.  What say you?
TI will fix the issue, and they will update it as soon as they can. I'm sure they will not waits months to release it.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Lionel Debroux on June 21, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
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Do you have some insider info
They do. They have signed an NDA with TI, and they often exchange e-mails with TI employees.

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can you tell us if there is going to be an nspire ipad app this year.
Assuming they're aware of such an event (if any), it's precisely the kind of things that an NDA might cover. It's unlikely that they can tell the general public about a Nspire iPad app.
(BTW, thanks to fewer restrictions on programming, the Android platform would probably be a better target than the iPad)

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My suspicion is that TI is just not going to support that platform
I think that your suspicion is somewhat extreme ;)
But I tend to agree that chances are that TI is preparing the way for the next generation of calculators. The Nspire has already lived and evolved for 5 years, i.e. a period of time as long as the 89 and 92+ (OS releases have spanned from 1998 to 2003), and nearly as long as the 84+(SE).
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Dingus on June 22, 2012, 06:58:56 pm


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My suspicion is that TI is just not going to support that platform
"I think that your suspicion is somewhat extreme ;)"

My impression of the way that TI does business is that they are stubbornly inflexable and have to have everything their way.  Sort of a "do it my way or forget it additude." So I don't see them abiding by Apples policies for apps and I can see them (TI) trying to get a better financial arrangement than apple provides other app producers and if they don't get it that will be the end of that.  Just my thinking on why we might not get an iPad nspire app.

BTW, I read a post on the teachers site that apple is putting a PTT functionality in their next iPad os and that it allows access to one app only and no Internet connection. If true, it is probably being done to satisfy the testing athorieties and if so, would probably allow the use of iPad calculator apps as a substitute for hand held calculators.  Then if Casio puts out a Prizm app for the iPad it could allow them to take over ti's education market.  Just my thinking on why we "should" get an iPad nspire app, i.e., TI protects their market Leadership by providing one.

We will see.
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Sebasu on June 23, 2012, 12:12:43 am
i had discover a bug in the OS 3.2.0.121x
when you want to see the document's autor information ([Doc]+1+7)
It don't show anything
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Volta500 on September 12, 2012, 12:08:18 pm
Hey all,

I just updated my Nspire cx to 3.2.0 from the TI website and it seems that text and screen items appear a lot 'fuzzier'. Like it tries some anti-aliasing but fails miserably. Before the update everything looked nice and crisp, now everything looks horribly out of focus.  :mad:
It is still usable but quite annoying.

Does anyone else has this problem? And is there a fix for it?
I tried flashing a new download again but no change.

Thanks,
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Adriweb on September 12, 2012, 12:25:27 pm
The anti-aliasing for me isn't bad ? Maybe I'm just used to it btu I've not found myself in any situation where it's actually affecting negatively what I use my nspire for.

Anyway, you can downgrade to 3.1 :)
Title: Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.2 is out!
Post by: Jim Bauwens on September 12, 2012, 12:54:32 pm
I like the fonts much more. It makes reading much better and doesn't hurt my eyes anymore.