| As mentionned here (http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8578) and here (http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?short=1&t=10933), Texas Instruments has finally opened a new page on their website, announcing the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition and confirming some informations about the new color screen calculator model: http://education.ti.com/calculators/products/US/ti-84c/ If you check the comparison chart, you will see that the calculator is confirmed to have 3.5 MB of archive, but 21 KB of RAM (3 KB fewer than the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition, 5 KB fewer than the TI-82 STATS and 7 KB fewer than the TI-82). It also confirms the rechargeable battery, backlit 320x240 16-bit color screen, USB transfer, the compatibility with the TI-84 Plus (although Cemetech reports having been confirmed that old ASM programs, along with some TI-BASIC ones, will not work) and that people will most likely start to bug Runer112 or Quigibo for a TI-84PCSE port of Axe Parser. TI-Connect will also be updated for the new calculator and good news for Mac OS users: It will be updated for you too! There are also some pictures of the calculator there, like the one seen to the right. A FAQ is available on Texas Instruments website at the link above. | (http://tiplanet.org/wiki/images/9/9d/TI-84_Plus_C_Silver_Edition_side.png) (http://tiplanet.org/wiki/images/9/9d/TI-84_Plus_C_Silver_Edition_side.png) |
Is the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition allowed on high-stakes exams?Yup, the TI-84+C SE can be used on exams that will determine your ULTIMATE FATE IN LIFE.
If you check the comparison chart, you will see that the calculator is confirmed to have 3.5 MB of archive, but 21 KB of RAM (3 KB fewer than the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition, 5 KB fewer than the TI-82 STATS and 7 KB fewer than the TI-82).Well, luckily at this rate, the next model will have 20KB of memory, then it will start to rise 2KB for each new remake :D That means by 2100, we could be looking at >40KB of RAM to use o.o
(4:54:01 PM) OmnomIRC: (O)<calc84maniac> 84 Plus C SE has no 3D graphingWe're going to hold you to that. And we want color and lighting effects.
(4:54:06 PM) OmnomIRC: (O)<calc84maniac> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Xeda, actually, I'm starting to suspect seriously my idea that they've completely eliminated RAM paging in order to allow the extra archive to map into pages 80-FF. So available RAM will continue to decrease.That does seem very likely :/
21 K of user memory, 154 K of video RAM. There is a serious fracking engineering WTF. Also, why is there a 3 K decrease in available user memory? Previously, TI has allocated new memory for new static OS vars in off-page RAM. Have they decided to eliminate that RAM entirely?My worry is that the graph buffer is stored directly into Flash. If TI dared to do that, I can't imagine how slow it will be to draw stuff on the LCD and how fast the ROM will wear out (unless flash wearing out is an urban legend like some people claim?). From what I remember, storing something in the archive is far slower than doing it in RAM, right? Granted, in BASIC the speed difference might not be visible due to how slow the language is to begin with, but how big will be the performance drop for ASM?Quote from: FAQIs the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition allowed on high-stakes exams?Yup, the TI-84+C SE can be used on exams that will determine your ULTIMATE FATE IN LIFE.
On the comparison chart, they list a "MathPrint everywhere" feature. This suggests that pretty printing will be available in other edit buffer contexts. That's a definite UI improvement, but it will break some of our existing tools. TI's anti-hacking staffers must be nigh-orgasming.
My worry is that the graph buffer is stored directly into Flash.Highly unlikely. I doubt even TI is silly enough to do that. The 3.5 MB figure supports this: The TI-84+SE has 1.5 MB of user-available memory out of 2 MB. The TI-84+C SE is advertised to have 3.5 MB of user-available flash out of a probable 4 MB. The fact that the OS is still about 500 K in size suggests that they did not allocate 150 K of flash for a graphics back-buffer.
My prediction is this: They will keep this silly layout, wasting 48 K of flash, instead of using some more of those aptly-named boot sectors.Seems likely, as they like wasting space, be it on the TI-Z80 or TI-68k series...
I also hope that MathPrint can still be disabled. It's annoying.
only 21KB RAM? O.o what should we do??? D:Fill it up, of course!
when will they make a ti-84+CGE?I think 'Platinum Edition' or 'Plutonium Edition' would sound better. I'm just deeply saddened by the lack of RAM; hopefully programs can run from archive, like the 68k calcs could.
(gold edition)
with 10MB RAM XD
Wonderflonium edition?
1993: 28.7 KB (TI-82)
2013: 21.7 KB (TI-84PCSE)
2033: 14.7 KB (next gen 84+ model )
2053: 7.7 KB (even more next gen 84+ model)
2073: 0.7 KB
O.O
On a better note, though, the awesome part about smaller user RAM is that it will be even more entertaining to push the calc limits. :D
TI-68k series in popularity.
It only died down because a community member did everything to make the veteran coders leaveWOW, who would do that O.o
WOW, who would do that O.o
how is the ti 84+ series crippeld? (without CSE)
It has less RAM than a Commodore 64.The original TI-83+SE and TI-84+/SE had 128 K. It's crippled because in 2008ish TI revised the ASIC such that the new TI-84+/SEs have only 48 K.
that's because TI is crazy and the os also needs some ram
However, you can still access only 24K for your programming/math purposes.For BASIC programmers, sure. Assembly programmers can use the extra RAM to great effect, e.g. tiboyse, Omnicalc RAM recovery. It wouldn't be impossible to get Axe to support the RAM, either. In fact, you can probably read from those extra pages by hacking the files feature: just overwrite the page number with 82h. Writing might take some more effort, though.
With enough hacking, would it be possible to patch the 84+ calcs to use the extra 16 KB? Or does the OS use it?i thought xeda made somewhere hacks like that.....
Or we can just develop our own calc.Many already started, none finished
Or we can just develop our own calc.
What would happen if we worked as a community?It'll die
When multiple different people work together on code, it quickly becomes a mess. Especially when it's a whole bunch of people on something as big as an OS.Of course, TI is an exception. But maybe they're more organized. Organization might be what we need.
That would require somebody being in charge of the whole project and all other just following his orders. We didn't manage that yet.
We're also not being paid for it,And big projects tend to lose interest, so there isn't even the money interest anymore...
DJ: Flash wear is not a myth ;)Yeah I was saying since flash wear has been a concern for many years in the TI community, then some random people started saying it was an urban legend because they never saw any calc with which it ever happened. IMHO it's possible that wear can occur on calcs too, since it seems to have happened to a 2009 contest participant.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/03/macronix_thermal_annealing_extends_life_of_flash_memory/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#Memory_wear
The issue is that even with a third-party OS, the calc is still an overpriced antiquated piece of technology :P The goal of making a new calc would be to offer something more powerful for cheaper.Or we can just develop our own calc.
*cough* GlassOS
Why develop a new calc when it's the OS that is the problem here? It's less work.
Well, if it's not in popularity, then I think it's safe to say that the 68k series is crippled in the speed and difficulty of its programming language.Not sure what you're talking about, especially since you're a TI-68k programmer as well :)
The cost is fairly high as well.Yes, as a special case of the consumer price tag of all calculator models being way above the production cost.
Quote from: blue_bear_94Well, if it's not in popularity, then I think it's safe to say that the 68k series is crippled in the speed and difficulty of its programming language.Not sure what you're talking about, especially since you're a TI-68k programmer as well :)
* the TI-68k series' BASIC isn't significantly better or worse than the TI-Z80 series' BASIC (both being much better than the wimpy Nspire BASIC), and its functionality can be extended through external assembly programs programmed in C and/or ASM;
I reaaly wish TI would have mentioned what kind of processor this thing has on the specs page. x.xIt's z80.
* several alternative high-level languages are available, though none of them is very popular: GFA-Basic, Newprog (probably one of the programs closest in spirit to Axe), etc.
We've received official confirmation that even BASIC programs will not be fully backwards compatible, and FlashApps / ASM programs will definitely not be compatible.where that? Do you have any link?
I should have been more clear. I know the processor is z80, (though they could list it) the thing I'm curious about is the clock speed.
* several alternative high-level languages are available, though none of them is very popular: GFA-Basic, Newprog (probably one of the programs closest in spirit to Axe), etc.
Never heard of those O.O
What calculators are those for?