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Title: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 03:27:49 am: TI-Story, which started as a sub-section of TI-Basic Developer (http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com/), has now moved to its own website: http://tistory.wikidot.com/ (http://tistory.wikidot.com/)!
(http://tistory.wdfiles.com/local--files/home/tistorylogo.png)
As mentionned in a previous news, this is a wiki meant to gather all the information about the history of the TI community from 1990 until today. So far it contains information about most site that have existed in the past two decades, along with a list of programmers and community members who have contributed in some ways, plus miscellaneous information about notable events, ranging from key factoring to site wars.

It is not finished, since not everyone knows about everything, and if you know something about the TI community that is missing there, you are free to add it if it's notable enough. Basically, it's like Wikipedia, but for the calculator community.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: mob-i-l on April 18, 2012, 04:12:47 am: I was rather active in the earliest TI-calculator community and some traces of this can be seen here:
http://www.df.lth.se.orbin.se/~mikaelb/lut/calc-ti.txt

This was first in the GRAPH-TI mailing list and then in the UseNet Newsgroup:
news:bit.listserv.calc-ti
(There was also a bit.listserv.graph-ti newsgroup but I think it was short lived.)

There was also some private correspondence.

I also have my website with old programs and one new for TI-calculators:
http://www.df.lth.se.orbin.se/~mikaelb/ticalc.html
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 04:32:22 am: Heya and welcome here. :) Nice to see some older programmers around. Did/do you make any calculator games by the way?

As for Graph-TI I haven't heard of it, but I have heard a lot about calc-TI, although it was years before my time. I was mostly lurking back in 2001-2002 then in 2003 I started posting on various forums, such as UTI and MaxCoderz. I went on IRC later in 2005, although my visits there are sporadic since 2010.

By the way if you know of any big event that have occured back when you were active in newsgroups that isn't listed on TI-Story, it seems that guests can edit pages right now, so feel free to add them. :)

On an off-topic note, does anyone know how to figure out the URL of a wiki logo? I was wondering since I wanted to put it in the news post but it seems the link is hidden, encrypted or something. ???
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Darl181 on April 18, 2012, 11:21:02 am: Quote from: DJ_O on April 18, 2012, 04:32:22 am
On an off-topic note, does anyone know how to figure out the URL of a wiki logo? I was wondering since I wanted to put it in the news post but it seems the link is hidden, encrypted or something. ???
It's in the css, and got it with firebug :)
http://tistory.wdfiles.com/local--files/home/tistorylogo.png
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 02:52:38 pm: Thanks. I tried Opera's Dragonfly, but I still couldn't spot it.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: burr on April 18, 2012, 08:12:49 pm: @DJ_O: Thanks for making a news post. I've been spending all of my time merging the site contents, so I completely forgot to give you guys (and Cemetech) an update.

@mob-i-l: I actually came across your site when I was researching Graph-TI and Calc-TI O.O Like everyone else here (except you), I wasn't around for that part of the TI community, so the best I could do was read about it and try to piece everything together. Speaking of which, would you mind looking through the timeline (http://tistory.wikidot.com/timeline) page on TI Story, and filling out some more of the early events that happened in the TI community? I would also be interested in hearing about what the TI community was like then. Honestly, I'm really excited to see you on this site... I feel like a little kid again :D
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 18, 2012, 08:43:29 pm: Awesome to see TI Story open. It really deserves its own site :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 19, 2012, 02:01:30 am: I wonder if Fryedsoft is still around? THat guy joined the TI community in 1993 and maybe he could fill some sections out if he have the time. :) Also Travis from ticalc has been around since 1994 or so, if I remember.

EDIT: Did TI-Files really have 42 staff at once or were every staff listed?? O.O Maybe we need some rules about consistency so for example, only founders and final staff are listed or retired staff are flagged as retired on the history page of the site. I would probably have to search hard through Omnimaga staff to make sure I don't miss any retired staff, though, because since the site had strong policies regarding staff activity and had a lot of staff in the first place, it had many.

Also how do we upload images on pages? Because the main logo shown in the summary is the one from almost 11 years ago and we used the following one since March 2004:

(http://www.omnimaga.org/oldsite/omnimaga_logo.gif)

In fact, in calculator programs this one was used since 2003, although the fonts were slightly different.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on April 19, 2012, 08:04:03 am: It's really cool to see a site like this developing that will chronicle the TI community history :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: burr on April 19, 2012, 09:01:20 am: Quote from: DJ_O on April 19, 2012, 02:01:30 am
I wonder if Fryedsoft is still around? THat guy joined the TI community in 1993 and maybe he could fill some sections out if he have the time. :) Also Travis from ticalc has been around since 1994 or so, if I remember.

EDIT: Did TI-Files really have 42 staff at once or were every staff listed?? O.O Maybe we need some rules about consistency so for example, only founders and final staff are listed or retired staff are flagged as retired on the history page of the site. I would probably have to search hard through Omnimaga staff to make sure I don't miss any retired staff, though, because since the site had strong policies regarding staff activity and had a lot of staff in the first place, it had many.

Also how do we upload images on pages? Because the main logo shown in the summary is the one from almost 11 years ago and we used the following one since March 2004:

(http://www.omnimaga.org/oldsite/omnimaga_logo.gif)

In fact, in calculator programs this one was used since 2003, although the fonts were slightly different.

I actually emailed Ed Fry and Travis Evans about two months ago, but I didn't get any response. I suppose I could always email them again ;D

I simply listed all of the staff of TI-Files on the page; trying to classify people as retired or final staff would be quite difficult, as TI-Files had a rather high staff turn-over rate and I don't know enough to make that judgement call. Creating that page actually took several hours of researching with ticalc.org, the Wayback Machine, and googling; it was also made more difficult because of the robots.txt file that prevents the Wayback Machine from archiving/accessing a site. I agree that there needs to be some guidelines created for consistency, but that is really only possible if you have a group of people helping...

You can upload an image by hovering over the other tools button on the top of the page, and then clicking the manage files button in the dropbox.

Quote from: JamesV on April 19, 2012, 08:04:03 am
It's really cool to see a site like this developing that will chronicle the TI community history :)

It's really cool to see that you're still around the TI community :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 19, 2012, 09:37:12 am: Another idea might be to bug Travis on IRC. He uses tev as nickname. And I see about TI-Files. I guess maybe someone who knows who was staff before the closing could sort them out. In Omni's case, the old board had a section listing all the former staff that actually contributed something to the site, but the new board doesn't have one, so it will probably make it hard to remember.

And thanks for the info about uploading.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on April 19, 2012, 10:32:40 am: Cool! Finally I can look at the ti history! :D
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Jonius7 on April 19, 2012, 10:53:23 am: Quote from: Darl181 on April 18, 2012, 11:21:02 am
Quote from: DJ_O on April 18, 2012, 04:32:22 am
On an off-topic note, does anyone know how to figure out the URL of a wiki logo? I was wondering since I wanted to put it in the news post but it seems the link is hidden, encrypted or something. ???
It's in the css, and got it with firebug :)
http://tistory.wdfiles.com/local--files/home/tistorylogo.png

Oh I thought you could just right click on the picture and choose open link in new tab.
As for Firebug for FF, chrome has the javascript console which I've found immensely useful and similar to Firebug

I also put information in the Jason Ho page (both Jason Ho's will split pages later if possible)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on April 19, 2012, 09:03:28 pm: Quote from: Jonius7 on April 19, 2012, 10:53:23 am
Oh I thought you could just right click on the picture and choose open link in new tab.
Only when it's an image element, not when it's a background image.
Quote from: Jonius7 on April 19, 2012, 10:53:23 am
As for Firebug for FF, chrome has the javascript console which I've found immensely useful and similar to Firebug
I think Firebug was meant as a set of web developer tools similar to the WebKit console (which Chrome uses) for Firefox, which hadn't had its own complete set until Fx 11 (the current version).
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 20, 2012, 11:08:02 pm: Quote from: Deep Thought on April 19, 2012, 09:03:28 pm
Quote from: Jonius7 on April 19, 2012, 10:53:23 am
Oh I thought you could just right click on the picture and choose open link in new tab.
Only when it's an image element, not when it's a background image.
That's one reason that would make me switch back to IE6. (which allowed you to get the URL of a background by right-clicking it)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: mob-i-l on May 05, 2012, 11:47:37 am: @DJ_O & @burr I have not made any games for the TI-calculators yet except for Aritm. I've made some lively demo programs for drawing splines and queue simulation. I would like to make a checkers app in TI-BASIC with AI. I should also port some other programs I've written to C (e.g. Z88DK) and Asm for TI-calculators. I started programming on a Sinclair ZX81 in 1981 (my first computer) and took a programming course in high-school in ABC-BASIC for Luxor ABC 80 during the same year. Then I made a lot of games and typed in and improved others'. From 1983 I mostly coded in Forth for a few years, but learned Pascal and Fortran at university 1987 (and one assignment was to write Mastermind in Fortran 77). I also learned Z80-assembly 1985 but I haven't used it much. In 1990 I learned Unix shell-scripting (on HP-UX) and C for MS-DOS and later C++.

I tested a TI-81 in 1993 and then bought a TI-82 the same summer for a reduced price since I was working as a teacher then. I discovered some bugs in the original TI-82 firmware and got a new one (but I had to return my old). One could upload apps to TI:s FTP-site (this was before WWW) using a specially formatted email (and my files on my site still have this format).

In 1994 I started working for an electronics company that made control computers using 8051 and I developed programs to develop programs to control the control computers mostly in Visual Basic but also in AWK, SQL and C++. I built a $4-link (serial) for TI-82 about 1995. In 1995 I learned Java applet-programming and in 1996 Perl for web-servers. I've also done PIC-programming i Asm and C and Freescale/Motorola and AVR in C. I think I should connect TI-calculators to Arduino. I'm also interested in 3D CAD and simulating engines. I'm active in the ZX80/ZX81-community and collect programmable/graphing calculators and retro computers. I should also learn more about jQuery and Android-development using Java and JavaScript (using PhoneGap that could be ported to iOS). There is also BASIC! for Android and I read the manual recently. I should also learn Python, LISP and Haskell.

I will try to find the early GRAPH-TI and CALC-TI emails (I've stored them on CD-ROM but in Windows 95 emailformat so I have to install W95 on some computer).
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: mob-i-l on May 05, 2012, 11:52:53 am: @DJ_O & @burr I have not made any games for the TI-calculators yet except for Aritm. I've made some lively demo programs for drawing splines and queue simulation. I would like to make a checkers app in TI-BASIC with AI. I should also port some other programs I've written to C (e.g. Z88DK) and Asm for TI-calculators. I started programming on a Sinclair ZX81 in 1981 (my first computer) and took a programming course in high-school in ABC-BASIC for Luxor ABC 80 during the same year. Then I made a lot of games and typed in and improved others'. From 1983 I mostly coded in Forth for a few years, but learned Pascal and Fortran at university 1987 (and one assignment was to write Mastermind in Fortran 77). I also learned Z80-assembly 1985 but I haven't used it much. In 1990 I learned Unix shell-scripting (on HP-UX) and C for MS-DOS and later C++.

I tested a TI-81 in 1993 and then bought a TI-82 the same summer for a reduced price since I was working as a teacher then. I discovered some bugs in the original TI-82 firmware and got a new one (but I had to return my old). One could upload apps to TI:s FTP-site (this was before WWW) using a specially formatted email (and my files on my site still have this format).

In 1994 I started working for an electronics company that made control computers using 8051 and I developed programs to develop programs to control the control computers mostly in Visual Basic but also in AWK, SQL and C++. I built a $4-link (serial) for TI-82 about 1995. In 1995 I learned Java applet-programming and in 1996 Perl for web-servers. I've also done PIC-programming i Asm and C and Freescale/Motorola and AVR in C. I think I should connect TI-calculators to Arduino. I'm also interested in 3D CAD and simulating engines. I'm active in the ZX80/ZX81-community and collect programmable/graphing calculators and retro computers. I should also learn more about jQuery and Android-development using Java and JavaScript (using PhoneGap that could be ported to iOS). There is also BASIC! for Android and I read the manual recently. I should also learn Python, LISP and Haskell.

I will try to find the early GRAPH-TI and CALC-TI emails (I've stored them on CD-ROM but in Windows 95 emailformat so I have to install W95 on some computer).
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Lionel Debroux on May 08, 2012, 02:54:02 pm: On the TI-Story wiki, a page about the site which once became the most active French-speaking portal of the community, but whose reputation and attendance were destroyed in 2011 after slanderous posts by one of the well-known members (yielding the creation of TI-Planet), contains slander...
Nothing new under the sun, it's just the all too usual load of false statements, targeting the TI-Planet admins (among other persons), which earned a ban from Omnimaga to the person who repeated them like a broken record... Some people don't seem to have anything better to do with their time than piling yet more disrespect and destructiveness, over months, and they seem to fail at understanding such basic facts of life as the fact that repeating lies doesn't make them true...

Slander is illegal, as we all know from previous episodes. As a result, I'm sorry to have to hereby request that:
* to protect both the guilty (of slander) and the targets, the history of the page, before the edits which removed the slander, is erased from the database forever. Said edits put the page in much shape for a proper page; further edits will have to fix the factually incorrect information put on that page by the slanderer, such as the statement that the site is the most active French-speaking site: TI-Planet is, partially as a result of being adopted by our peers of the international community as the successor of the former site.
* protective measures against vandalism are set forth, to reduce the odds of this kind of vandalism, on a valuable community resource that ought to be neutral and accessible for years. For one thing, I think that prohibiting unregistered accounts from editing pages would help.

On the topic of letting only registered users edit pages: on the one hand, it's a bit sad to see this kind of measures set up due to a minority of vandals whose acts are despicable and worthless, or spammers.
On the other hand, the fact is that having authors sign their statements, whether in nickname or in real name, is common practice for reputable, neutral sources of information, and I'm confident that any reasonable person can understand the reasoning behind named contributions :)

I'm fully aware that erasing part of the history of a page defeats the purpose of a wiki; but well, the purpose of a wiki about the (rich) story of the TI community is not to spread factually false statements, or illegal, hateful content, which are indexable by search engines alongside the useful content that such a site can provide ;)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Juju on May 08, 2012, 03:04:53 pm: You can delete a page, which could delete all the history of said page but the deletion history, then recreate it later with a shiny new history. I think it's how it works on Wikipedia, dunno about TI-Story. Plus I think I never saw any previous edits of a page being indexed by a search engine.

And what is nice with wikis is that you can easily delete false information as soon as you see it. Just look at how Wikipedia works, for instance. Even though it's really huge, any vandalism attempt gets slain in a matter of minutes.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 08, 2012, 03:15:22 pm: Lionel earlier I edited out the defamatory content from the page and added clarifications (eg there were disputes between the admin and staff and combined with downtimes it led to the creation of TI-Planet (without TI-BANK's staff contribution) and TI-BANK re-opened later (with only its admin's contributions).

However, any guest can edit pages. You would have to ask Burr on the forums if he can lock the pages if they get vandalized.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: critor on May 10, 2012, 06:47:12 am: I'm sorry, but the page in question is still having problems, although the slanders have been removed.

The person who wrote the page is pretending to have discovered the 3.0.1 calculators bricking bug in may 2011.

It was I who discovered this bug, documented it immediatly, newsed about it on different sites, argued with T3 teachers who were pretending that it was our fault (Ndless) without trying to understand anything and didn't want to report the bug to TI...

In the end I earned TI's respect, and probably some T3 teachers keep a grudge against me.

*I* was also the first one to mention a new color Nspire calculator after discovering the TI-Nspire CX Navigator module, because of the "C" and of the unknown connector.

The person who wrote the page is once again pretending to have discovered it by himself.

The author is also pretending that his site is the most active french site, which is totally false.
It's TI-Planet which is, having much more visits, much more news, more posts, and more projects (nDoom, mViewer, nClock, Nover...).

So the page author is just trying to steal my work/reputation.

The page in its current state has nothing to do on a wiki, as its author didn't want to understand the purpose of a wiki.
It's just *spam*.

I'm asking for:
- all current content of this page to be immediatly removed or fixed
- the page to be locked against editions by guests or non-modo/admin users

If we want such a page, it will have to be written by someone else.

I'm really angry this time that an english site is relaying such spam and lies, and hope that the administrator will permanently fix this problem as soon as possible. :mad:
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 10, 2012, 04:33:54 pm: Can't you just edit it out yourself? ??? Because if you find content objectionable there, it is normally your job to remove it or to report it to an administrator (and those admins usually do not visit any forum other than TI-BASIC Developer on a regular basis). I can very well edit out every info, but the site the page talks about still had some history prior you joining it and the admin slowly becoming less active. Sadly I didn't frequent calc sites much in 2008 so I cannot really contribute about the stuff that happened on TI-BANK.

Also we can't deny the fact that prior TI-Planet's existence, the other site was the most active French site. Granted, that activity was generated by the TI-Planet team that was part of the other site back then, but the TI-Story purpose is to tell the history of every calculator site, from 1990 until today.

Btw it's unfair to bash the TI-Story site for relaying that info when it's not even themselves that wrote the page. They have something called a "life" outside of TI-Story and they do not speak French nor do visit Omnimaga frequently, so unless you file a report to "burr", they will never know (or he, assuming he's the sole admin). And it's not my job to report the page/user either, nor is any of the Omnimaga member's.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: critor on May 10, 2012, 04:39:37 pm: I don't remember saying it was "your" job DJ.
And you know as well as me that if I edit, it will probably be edited again just after.

But, as someone neutral and exterior to both sites, I think you could have produced a much more interesting and exact text.

I just find it very abnormal for an english site, and a wiki moreover, to start to relay such misinformation and lies internationnally.
We've had enough fighting lies in the french TI community.

Let's keep the international TI community "clean".
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 10, 2012, 04:47:32 pm: I know, but it seems you complain here but I have yet to see any post from you saying that you sent a private message to Burr on Omnimaga (although I don't think he can reply, since he doesn't have enough posts), Cemetech or that you signed up an account on TI-Story to send him a private message there. Not that I mind ranting or complains since it denounces malicious intents by the other person, but there is only one single person that can directly help by locking the page or banning the IP, and that's Burr, and to do it the innapropriate content report has to be filed by a TI-Planet admin.

That wiki is intended to be neutral, so any misinformation needs to be removed or edited. I hope the other person that is involved in putting that innapropriate content there is stopped.

(Btw the international community isn't so clean, really, but at least so far nobody in the english community has participated in wiki vandalism activities at least. Usually, it involves trollish material said in people's back in IRC channels that have no public logs available.)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Jim Bauwens on May 11, 2012, 10:17:09 am: I think the reason they posted here was because Burr himself was active in this thread, and it looked like a good place to mention it.

Also, someone has edited TI-Planets page:
Quote
TI-Planet is a popular French TI community website qui sent pas bon, featuring one ...
I removed that now.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Lionel Debroux on May 11, 2012, 10:29:49 am: Quote
I think the reason they posted here was because Burr himself was active in this thread, and it looked like a good place to mention it.
Indeed, I think that both critor and I assumed that Burr monitored this topic :)

Quote
Also, someone has edited TI-Planets page: [...] I removed that now.
Great, more vandalism on a useful community resource that lived peacefully for a while, until some vandal(s) became aware of it and thought it would be good to spend some time spamming and slandering...
Who knows, it might be the same vandal as the one who put insults on my the talk page of my WP account, shortly after I edited some TI calculator-related pages to remove self-advertising, an incorrect source of information (TI-Planet being the correct, or more authoritative, one in that event), or whatever equally inappropriate behaviour, I don't remember exactly...

Thanks for fixing, Jim ;)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 11, 2012, 06:24:08 pm: Burr reverted the last edits on TI-BANK prior I requested the page lock, but it seems to have re-added the parts where TI-BANK admin claims Critor's work as his own in the process and now that the page is locked, I cannot remove it.

I will ask if the TI-Planet page can be locked too, but now who knows which page will be edited maliciously afterward.

Also Lionel what was the WP incident and what does WP stand for? ???
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Lionel Debroux on May 12, 2012, 01:23:25 am: WP = Wikipedia :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2012, 01:29:40 am: Ah ok thanks. It sucks someone is doing that. I hope it's not the same person involved in the edits of the TI-Story pages though. X.x
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Lionel Debroux on May 12, 2012, 02:16:15 am: There's no proof that it's the same person; only suspicions, based on publicly available information such as the IP address, or the fact that strictly less than two persons are known to blurt out insults when their spam / vandalism is fixed...
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 13, 2012, 12:16:00 am: Ah ok. Is any of that thrash talk available on your WP page though? I tried checking debrouxl and Lionel Debroux on Wikipedia (FR and EN) and the pages didn't exist...
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 27, 2012, 05:37:13 am: I started creating my page, although formatting might need work. I also left out program demos like Diortem/ROL4 menus and prefered to mention Omnipack rather than every game other than Mortal Kombat in it, since they're very simple and small games. http://tistory.wikidot.com/kevin-ouellet

Also I always forget that I made a Mortal Kombat clone... O.O
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on January 12, 2013, 10:06:49 pm: As someone mentioned on RevSoft, the entire TI Story site seems to be blank.

And now that I try to look it up, RevSoft seems to be down too O.O
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2013, 12:57:59 am: Hmm I hope TI-Story wasn't shut down due to lack of activity or something... O.O
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Levak on January 13, 2013, 01:01:29 am: If you remove the display:none it says :

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Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2013, 01:06:24 am: Wow that is scary. It definitively means the site was either:

1) Taken down by Wikidot due to activity being too low (some free hosting companies do that)
2) Taken down by burr due to activity being too low (I know he was somewhat disappointed by low activity and interest, so maybe he got tired of it and pulled the plug)
3) Hacked by a third party (which means TI-BASIC Developer might be next)
4) Server failure (possible data loss?)

Regardless, it will suck if everything is gone, considering all the work that was put into it so far and all the useful info there was there...

EDIT: On an off-topic note, I think TI-BD is hitting record activity lately O.O (520+ new posts since Jan 1st, which is almost as much as what Cemetech got)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on January 13, 2013, 02:39:05 am: But why is it just made blank then with display:none; O.o
that doesn't make any new sense.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2013, 02:51:19 am: Not sure, maybe that's a Wikidot bug.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on January 13, 2013, 02:53:13 am: Just checked, other wikidot wikis are working normally.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2013, 02:55:48 am: Yeah the TI-Story one was put in maintenance mode or deleted entirely.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: NanoWar on January 13, 2013, 04:49:19 pm: Logging in does not change anything, because it's a wikidot global login. I messaged burr about this a few days ago.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Xeda112358 on January 13, 2013, 05:33:51 pm: I know Burr has been active on TIBD and he didn't mention anything. I just thought it was a temporary problem :/ And yeah, it has been very active (I think it was ranked as the second most active wiki just before the apocalypse, the first most active was one about the impending apocalypse).
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2013, 05:49:19 pm: On Freeforums, if your forum has no new posts for 21 days, it is automatically deleted. On Geocities, if you didn't login to your FTP nor updated any files after 90 days, your site was taken down (although I don't think this applied to older sites). On Dot.tk, same if you got less than 25 hits in a month. Since the last edit on TI-Story was well over a month ago, it is entirely possible that Wikidot just killed it.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on January 13, 2013, 05:50:46 pm: Quote from: DJ_O on January 13, 2013, 05:49:19 pm
Since the last edit on TI-Story was well over a month ago, it is entirely possible that Wikidot just killed it.
I had just made a couple of edits on five random pages days before it got taken down, so it's probably due to low activity.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2013, 06:43:55 pm: Another thing is that maybe if no admin/mod logins for a long while, it still gets taken down even if there are non-staff members being active. Hopefully burr can address the issue soon unless it was an intentional shutdown.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Xeda112358 on January 14, 2013, 06:37:08 am: Quote
Nothing is wrong with TI Story; I just made it private. There wasn't much interest in the site, so I figured why waste time and effort.
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Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Lionel Debroux on January 14, 2013, 07:04:41 am: @Burr:

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There wasn't much interest in the site
What ?? Perhaps not as much interest as you would have liked, but definitely some interest. By now, we're an old community with a lengthy history, and it's a good thing that old-timers share their memories.
We definitely don't want to be like TI, where management changes jobs every so often and doesn't have much background and reflection on history !

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so I figured why waste time and effort.
Making TI-Story private is wasting your time and effort, and wasting other people's time and effort as well. Making TI-Story private is disrespectful towards your contributors.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on January 14, 2013, 11:44:46 am: @Burr, I really liked it a lot. Also all the information you put it, would make it a waste of time if you put it private, so nobody can read it.
Because many people didn't add new pages, it doesn't mean it wasn't read. I found a very interesting site, and I believe many others share that though with me.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 14, 2013, 01:32:04 pm: Yeah I think it should be remade public. Even though it isn't frequently updated, it still has a lot more of information about the TI community than anywhere else and maybe one day someone with more info will return and give it more updates. Eg we had Durk Kingma update the MaxCoderz page a few months ago and he wasn't in the community for 8 years.

If you absolutely want to close it I think you should make it in read-only mode or let someone else take over. That site is kinda like the Wikipedia of the TI community. Else you could let somebody wget all the site pages and files so he can re-host the archived content elsewhere or re-merge it back into TI-BASIC Developer where it might get extra traffic (especially lately with TI-BD sometimes getting close to 100 posts per day)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: NanoWar on January 14, 2013, 04:31:06 pm: Ti-Story is really helpful. This should be kept forever. Like http://wikiti.brandonw.net (http://wikiti.brandonw.net).
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 14, 2013, 06:21:52 pm: Yep. Personally I learned a lot of stuff from past sites too from it and even discovered ones I didn't know that existed before. It's also helpful if someone wanted to know a former URL to search in the Wayback Machine.

At least I'm glad it's not entirely deleted, though, so if he decides to bring it back up, he just have to un-hide it. And even if it was deleted, I wouldn't be surprised if Wikidot had an undelete feature that their staff can use to revert a wrong site deletion or something, like Invisionfree had (although with Invisionfree it can take up to 4 years to get your forum restored), because as soon as a site is deleted in its entirety, it triggers a backup, in case it was deleted by hackers.

Also I think ticalc.org accepting to put the site link on their front page along with the other major community sites (despite lacking news, programming discussions/doc/tutorials and archives) tells something.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on January 14, 2013, 07:04:43 pm: Yeah, I personally like TI story a lot, I use it every now and then and it should stay even if it isn't updated, I mean, wikidot is free, right?
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Xeda112358 on January 15, 2013, 09:53:48 am: Burr has put it back up :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: NanoWar on January 15, 2013, 01:24:07 pm: Very good. I think this should be kept for as long as possible :) . Thanks Burr.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 15, 2013, 02:04:10 pm: Phew I'm glad it wasn't killed for good.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on January 15, 2013, 03:55:47 pm: Quote from: NanoWar on January 15, 2013, 01:24:07 pm
Very good. I think this should be kept for as long as possible :) . Thanks Burr.
Indeed, thanks Burr.
And actually I should still say another time thanks, for all the effort you ever put in it.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 15, 2013, 04:19:40 pm: I think one thing that might not have helped TI-Story's activity is splitting the site from TI-BASIC Developer. By being on TIBD, it got extra traffic from TIBD members and visitors. On the other hand, with so many pages being edited, it must have made the recent wiki changes page very both sites, since it showed both TIBD and TI-Story changes. Maybe both sites could share the same forums, though? (A big complain in the TI community in the past is how there were too many forums out there and it dilluted the community userbase).
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on January 15, 2013, 06:42:46 pm: Thanks for putting it back up! Long live Ti-Story!
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on July 15, 2013, 11:40:28 am: Can't edit pages anymore D: (It seems membership of the site has been disabled, so no one is allowed to edit.)
Title: Re: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 15, 2013, 12:15:34 pm: I guess either there was too much vandalism or the owner was upset again at the lack of activity (which is to be expected when your forum competes directly against Cemetech, TI-BD and Omnimaga). You might want to PM Burr again I guess x.x
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Xeda112358 on July 15, 2013, 12:18:49 pm: Yeah, I noticed that a few weeks ago :[ On the other hand, he was editing and updating pages still.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 16, 2013, 01:25:35 am: It seems we can still edit certain pages (for example, the Illusiat series), but not others. However, a few months ago I noticed the lack of an Edit option already, although it was still possible to edit pages via another URL or something. It seems to depend of the page. For example, I can edit Illusiat, but not my author page.

EDIT: On a semi-offtopic note, why is there no TI-84 Plus C (color) Silver Edition reference nor info on TI-BD? O.O
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Xeda112358 on July 16, 2013, 09:28:01 am: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 16, 2013, 01:25:35 am
EDIT: On a semi-offtopic note, why is there no TI-84 Plus C (color) Silver Edition reference nor info on TI-BD? O.O
I think it is because none of the main contributors have one yet :/
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: SpiroH on July 16, 2013, 09:38:16 am: Quote from: Xeda112358 on July 16, 2013, 09:28:01 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 16, 2013, 01:25:35 am
EDIT: On a semi-offtopic note, why is there no TI-84 Plus C (color) Silver Edition reference nor info on TI-BD? O.O
I think it is because none of the main contributors have one yet :/
Let's hope some TI observer will offer them a 'sample' as an advertisement investment. In general, the site is quite good but it's a shame that is becoming a bit outdated.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 16, 2013, 09:44:51 am: Quote from: Xeda112358 on July 16, 2013, 09:28:01 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 16, 2013, 01:25:35 am
EDIT: On a semi-offtopic note, why is there no TI-84 Plus C (color) Silver Edition reference nor info on TI-BD? O.O
I think it is because none of the main contributors have one yet :/
But several Omni members come from TI-BD or vice-versa D:
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on July 22, 2013, 08:18:24 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 15, 2013, 12:15:34 pm
I guess either there was too much vandalism or the owner was upset again at the lack of activity (which is to be expected when your forum competes directly against Cemetech, TI-BD and Omnimaga). You might want to PM Burr again I guess x.x
Doesn't burr also run TI|BD?

I didn't think of TI-Story as a forum anyway (it seemed more like a wiki site with a forum that just happened to be attached), and that's something we don't really have in the community.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 22, 2013, 08:22:28 pm: Yeah he runs both sites, but TI-Story also had its own forum and there were even discussions about expanding it with programming talk IIRC. It would have been kinda weird if two forums by the same admin competed directly against each others. >.<
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 10, 2014, 12:28:30 am: Since TI-Story is read only I decided to copy my profile page over WikiTI instead: http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=User:DJ_Omnimaga

I also did some updates to the Omni page since it was last updated in 2010.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on May 11, 2014, 05:51:20 am: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 10, 2014, 12:28:30 am
Since TI-Story is read only I decided to copy my profile page over WikiTI instead: http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=User:DJ_Omnimaga (http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=User:DJ_Omnimaga)

I also did some updates to the Omni page since it was last updated in 2010.
It's not read-only, the layout has just changed a little (some time ago now), and it's not exactly clear how to log in with your Wikidot account. If you go to Wikidot.com and log in there, you can then go over to TI Story and be able to edit pages just as before :)

Last time I spoke to Burr (almost a year ago to the day), his motivation had dried up for the project. I haven't worked on it personally for quite some time, but I am a mod on there if any mod services are required; although I should note that I'm not entirely sure how powerful the mod permissions are, nor am I overly experienced with Wikidot.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2014, 05:47:58 pm: Wait you can still edit pages? O.O

I guess I'll need to check again, because I couldn't find any edit button anywhere. It might be because you are a mod and I aren't, though.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on May 12, 2014, 10:46:09 pm: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2014, 05:47:58 pm
Wait you can still edit pages? O.O

I guess I'll need to check again, because I couldn't find any edit button anywhere. It might be because you are a mod and I aren't, though.
Possibly - I guess try doing what I suggested (logging into Wikidot outside of the TI-Story site) and then navigating to TI-Story, and the normal "Edit", "History", etc. buttons should be at the bottom of each page :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2014, 11:30:41 pm: Nope, I still get the error.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on May 13, 2014, 05:56:27 am: That is because ti-story is in read-only, no matter what :P
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 13, 2014, 05:32:44 pm: Yeah he was suggesting this to me, though, since he happens to be able to edit it, apparently.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on May 14, 2014, 07:15:44 pm: It's strange that I can edit but y'all can't, it must be a mod thing. I'll try to get in touch with Burr and see if this can be rectified :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 14, 2014, 07:52:43 pm: I guess he could just give editing power to the long time community members and if he ever retires from TIBD too he could hand mod powers to someone else that can add extra community members as editors later. Making an abandoned site wide-open to anyone for editing rights might pose problems with bots.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on June 10, 2014, 10:27:37 pm: FYI - TI-Story is now opened for editing again :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 10, 2014, 11:51:35 pm: Oh wow that is awesome, but for how long? D: (if the author discovers it's dead-ish again will he close it again?)

I would like to see it open even if not regularly maintained. If there is a moderator regularly active he can monitor vandalism attempts. Plus it's nice every once in a while to keep stuff up to date for programmers and websites that are still around. Omnimaga, for example, is very outdated, and my page misses many of my newer stuff.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: pimathbrainiac on June 10, 2014, 11:57:10 pm: I just edited the Omimaga page to include Sorunome as a Support Staff. That has literally been bugging me for months.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 11, 2014, 12:00:01 am: I think the staff list is not even up to date anymore anyway, since many staff that were inactive got demoted and stuff. Also, some GIF of projects are from dead projects so it might be better to include finished stuff.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on June 11, 2014, 12:47:57 am: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 10, 2014, 11:51:35 pm
Oh wow that is awesome, but for how long? D: (if the author discovers it's dead-ish again will he close it again?)

I would like to see it open even if not regularly maintained. If there is a moderator regularly active he can monitor vandalism attempts. Plus it's nice every once in a while to keep stuff up to date for programmers and websites that are still around. Omnimaga, for example, is very outdated, and my page misses many of my newer stuff.
I'm now a site admin over at TI-Story, so I'll be keeping an eye on it every couple of days to monitor vandalism, etc. :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 11, 2014, 12:48:31 am: Ok that's good to hear that you took over :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on June 11, 2014, 03:27:36 am: Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 11, 2014, 12:48:31 am
Ok that's good to hear that you took over :)
Burr is still the site owner/master admin (and rightly so, he's spent countless hours on the development and content), but yes he's not on there often anymore and was nice enough to allow me to keep an eye on things for him so that people could continue to add content :)
Title: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on June 12, 2014, 12:19:54 am: Whoo, glad to hear about the updates! TI-Story is a pretty valuable community resource and I'm glad it's still around :)

Are there many user edits?
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Princetonlion.tibd on June 14, 2014, 08:31:46 pm: Quote from: pimathbrainiac on June 10, 2014, 11:57:10 pm
I just edited the Omimaga page to include Sorunome as a Support Staff. That has literally been bugging me for months.
Off topic: You were swarmed with bugs?
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: chickendude on June 14, 2014, 10:16:37 pm: That's great news, James! Thanks for stepping up to the plate :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Sorunome on June 15, 2014, 03:13:25 am: Quote from: pimathbrainiac on June 10, 2014, 11:57:10 pm
I just edited the Omimaga page to include Sorunome as a Support Staff. That has literally been bugging me for months.
Yay :3
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: JamesV on June 17, 2014, 08:57:48 pm: I think TI-Story is important to have around yeah, plus it's just cool to have a reference point to view the history of the TI community. I've been spending a little time on there adding more content, which I'll continue to do as motivation permits. Otherwise I'll still be hovering around there anyway, in case anyone tries to mess anything up or whatever :)
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 17, 2014, 11:28:22 pm: It also help allowing each calc site getting documented because on Wikipedia, admins and regular users seems to think that anything with an Alexa rank of >1000, less than 10 million visitors a day and fewer than 1000 registered members connected simultaneously is irrelevant.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: Deep Toaster on July 15, 2014, 02:02:59 am: Yeah, I understand that Wikipedia needs quality control to set a limit on entities that are "notable" enough for conclusion, but sometimes those rules aren't terribly relevant. There are towns with their own Wikipedia articles (basically all stubs), many of which have smaller populations than Omnimsga has daily unique visitors.

then again, they might just be guarding against link rot. You can expect a town to still exist ten years down the road, but the same can't be said of an average small website.
Title: Re: TI-Story moves to its own site
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 15, 2014, 06:10:14 pm: Yeah the issue about personal websites and smaller communities is that over the years they can eventually vanish and if everyone add their own calc site then Wikipedia will become a collection of dead TI sites. Even Ticalc.org isn't safe from an eventual shutdown, because back in 2008 it almost looked dead, while in late 2010 some people including myself were contemplating starting our own POTY award in response to lack of news. Every site has ups and downs (in some case they die completely then eventually get revived months later) but in most cases they disappear for good.