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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2012, 01:33:37 pm
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Ticalc.org has just announced the POTY contest for 2012 (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/148/148131.html)! Since 2003 on ticalc.org, in December of each year, all programs that were featured on their front page from Early December of the previous year to Late November of the current one are eligible to the Ticalc.org Program of the Year contest.
This year, for the TI-83+/84+ round, there are 15 entries, 6 more than last year (making 2012 the 3rd highest total for any Z80 POTY survey). Lots of programs seems to have come out from Omnimaga or its active members this year, as well as other sites and community members, so the competition will be rough. Make sure to vote now! (requires Ticalc.org verified account)
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oh noes. It's too hard to choose D:
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I'll go with fruit ninja since it's so innovative :D
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It's between solidFRAME and ABV for me..
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Yeah, I've narrowed down my choices to six .__.
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haha, they included a decades-old game :P
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@Leafy: Those were games that were retroactively featured this year, as the staff felt they were over looked originally. :) Good luck to everyone. Also Congrats Deep thought on having 3 of the 14 entries (the most of any author this year).
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haha, they included a decades-old game :P
When there are no news for a while, some years they feature old games that were missed. In 2010, for example, xLIB was featured after being ignored by previous staff (I think it was because one of the staff made Omnicalc, its direct competitor) and Contra made it as well. I don't remember for 2011.
In 2013 I think they should feature Bubble Bobble.
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I don't think there were any retro features (http://www.ticalc.org/community/awards/poty/2011.html) in 2011, but yeah they have those occasionally. (SSP is awesome.)
Noticed it seems every year there's at least one project that got submitted just barely past the deadline (like Chess which is in this year's, Exodus in last year's, IndestructoTank in 2009's, and Portal for next year).
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They featured a snake game in 2011?? O.O
But again it was the first TI-Nspire snake clone. It's actually kinda cool to play on clickpad, though.
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In 2013 I think they should feature Bubble Bobble.
Oh, it's going to happen ;)
It's been on my "news to write" pile since I started.
Also, as a quick correction, there are actually 15 entires, 7 more than last year.
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Also, as a quick correction, there are actually 15 entires, 7 more than last year.
That's a lot of new games :o
And great job on doing the news for ticalc this year Phero. Looks like quite some work :)
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Oh wait I guess I missed one. It can be a bit confusing since some Nov/Dec programs from the previous years can be featured sometimes (or even December programs of the same year) XD
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For me Alien Breed V is hands down the POTY for 2012.
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To be honest, I don't think there will be any huge winner this year (I mean getting a huge amount of votes compared to others), because a lot of the games are equal in quality or are underrated (eg Alien Breed is very great, but it seems to get very few downloads, since people only download games with the name Tetris, Mario, Kirby, Zelda in them or clones of iPod games. D:)
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In 2013 I think they should feature Bubble Bobble.
Oh, it's going to happen ;)
It's been on my "news to write" pile since I started.
Also, as a quick correction, there are actually 15 entires, 7 more than last year.
Bubble Bobble was never featured? ??? Wow, thats rather shocking. Dwedit did an amazing job on it. It has all levels and even includes link play!
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Why is Portal Prelude not a part of this?
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Portal didn't get featured until after the deadline, so it will be on next years :)
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Portal isn't there?
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It is not, I have to wait a whole year D: Lol I am super excited for this years POTY though ^^
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lol you should be right to start celebrating for next year :).
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i'm interested in who'll win :D
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In 2013 I think they should feature Bubble Bobble.
Oh, it's going to happen ;)
It's been on my "news to write" pile since I started.
Also, as a quick correction, there are actually 15 entires, 7 more than last year.
Bubble Bobble was never featured? ??? Wow, thats rather shocking. Dwedit did an amazing job on it. It has all levels and even includes link play!
Yeah I always wondered that, but I heard that it crashed some calcs (probably OS incompatibilities) so maybe the staff couldn't get it to work or had too much problems with it and decided to not feature it yet. It's still an amazing game, though
Why is Portal Prelude not a part of this?
The deadline is generally December 1st (sometimes 15th). However, given the large amount of entries, I think it's a good thing, else I think it might have done like Axe did in 2010 and get more votes than almost every other entry combined :P
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In 2013 I think they should feature Bubble Bobble.
Oh, it's going to happen ;)
It's been on my "news to write" pile since I started.
Also, as a quick correction, there are actually 15 entires, 7 more than last year.
Bubble Bobble was never featured? ??? Wow, thats rather shocking. Dwedit did an amazing job on it. It has all levels and even includes link play!
Yeah I always wondered that, but I heard that it crashed some calcs (probably OS incompatibilities) so maybe the staff couldn't get it to work or had too much problems with it and decided to not feature it yet. It's still an amazing game, though
Hm, I've never actually played that game. Must try I guess.Why is Portal Prelude not a part of this?
The deadline is generally December 1st (sometimes 15th). However, given the large amount of entries, I think it's a good thing, else I think it might have done like Axe did in 2010 and get more votes than almost every other entry combined :P
Seems it changes from year to year... ztrumpet's Exodus got put in 2011's even though his was featured in November.
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i have a watch by casio but it far isn't dat epic
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Hehe so do I :P I like it though.
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There's one from 2000: Bomberkids.
It's old enough that it actually has an 86 port. Good game, but that's really old.
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There's one from 2000: Bomberkids.
It's old enough that it actually has an 86 port. Good game, but that's really old.
I remember playing that in class for hours :)
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I voted for Fruit Ninja. All the programs were good, but I just picked this one. :)
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I'd vote for Chess if I had an account :)
And if a second vote was possible, I think I'd go for an Exercise in Futility.
Those are both really fun to play and a lot of work has been put in it.
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So far things are still going pretty well in terms of TI-83+ series releases, even if all forums activity including here seems to abruptly go up and down (eg the crazy last week then everyone vanishes suddenly). This is the amount of POTY choices since 2003 for the 83+ series, the number in parhenteses excluding retro features:
2003: 8
2004: 20
2005: 7
2006: 8
2007: 5
2008: 0
2009: 7
2010: 18 (5 are retro features)
2011: 8
2012: 15 (4 are retro features)
68K
2003: 17
2004: 47
2005: 24
2006: 5
2007: 3
2008: 2
2009: 4
2010: 10 (3 are retro features)
2011: 2
2012: 0
Nspire isn't accurate, since a lot of authors didn't release their stuff on ticalc.org, meaning no chance to make front page:
2010: 6
2011: 7
2012: 3
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Nspire voting is up!
Vote between gpSP-Nspire (gpSP Game Boy Advance emulator ported to the Nspire) and Multi(language)Periodic (periodic table)!
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Seems those are the only two categories this year D:
Anyway, voted.
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Yeah, no 68K/PC stuff D: (although aside from TokenIDE, there isn't much needed anymore for the PC that needs to be made and stuff that still gets updated was already featured in the POTY surveys once before (and can't be twice), not to mention even if PixelScape was featured, the only way to make the POTY was if a copy was zipped and uploaded in Ticalc.org archives so people can run it offline.
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68k had no features this year? :o
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Next year I might try to submit MCL (computer programs are allowed, right?) or a secret project I've been working on :P.
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@Art_of_camelot yeah it's pretty much dead. D: Kinda like the TI-86. And @Spyro nope they only accept calc-related stuff. if you got a program for Windows, for example, that helps 83+ development, then it will get accepted.
As for Nspire stuff, the only reason why the POTY selection is so poor this year is because most TI-Planet members (which forms the majority of Nspire programmers in the community) don't upload their work anywhere else than TI-Planet. Ticalc.org does not include programs in the POTY unless they are present in their own archives. Hopefully that mentality changes over the time, since ticalc.org, while dwindling in news popularity, is still by far the main hub of the community for download archives.
EDIT: Ticalc.org added The Squares do not Die, as they forgot to add it. It was added very close to the cutoff date. This means there are 3 ticalc.org Nspire entries (the latter which was uploaded very late)
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Nspire voting is up!
Vote between gpSP-Nspire (gpSP Game Boy Advance emulator ported to the Nspire) and Multi(language)Periodic (periodic table)!
Err... seriously... is this selection a joke ? . . .
Nothing against gpSP which does deserve to win to my advice, but there have been huge TI-Nspire programs this year, which required countless hours of work like gpSP and should at least have had the right to compete.
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I'm not going to vote for this ridiculously meager poll that only takes into account what they newsed about (oh, yeah, btw, that happens every 45th of each month, or so.).
(no offense for the authors of the 3 programs up there, they're awesome)
I don't want to spend some more time discussing this, but I believe this is kind of some lack of respect towards those who have taken lots of time to create things for the Nspire platform.
And it's a coincidence that I'm also one of the co-author of a program that should be with the choices. I'd have said the same since "3" options is just ridiculous.
If they cared about providing quality (for the POTY, at least !), they should have asked nspire-knowledgable people from the rest of the community in order to decide what to put as choices.
Don't care if I get downvoted for this, it's what I think.
EDIT : with this happening, how could we even consider "respecting" the POTY anymore ? It has strictly no value ! That's like making a website on my own, making a poll with only my programs and awading myself for being the best, everytime.
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Yes, I was thinking to FormulaPro indeed but not only.
Linux, nSDL and Ndless 3.1 (which is a completely different program than Ndless 2.0) too.
I won't mention my own programs, but...
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Ndless 3.1 was featured though. Maybe ticalc's policy is not to nominate a program that already won a poll.
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Well, it's not just a "revision", it's huge changes compared to the version that won previously...
I'd have at least voted for Ndless 3.1 if it were there.
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Adriweb and Critor: Read my post above carefully. :P
I'll re-say it: The main criteria to be eligible for Ticalc.org POTY is that your program must be uploaded in ticalc.org archives. Notice how for example nDoom and SourceCoder were newsed about years ago, yet they never got listed? That's why.
I believe that rule was instated in order to make sure that ticalc.org remains the main source for program downloads. Also back in the days, most sites would never stay online for more than 3 years (Omnimaga included, which closed for 6 months once), so it was probably also an attempt at preventing stuff from getting lost forever. It might also be an attempt to prevent another calc archives to try to compete directly with ticalc.org as the #1 file archives, like back in the TI-Files and Calc.org days.
Also programs can't be nominated more than once. The same thing happened with TiLP a few years ago. Otherwise TiLP would have won the POTY three times, which would have been unfair.
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Well, now that ticalc is just popular because of its historical aspect (and certainly not the news...), it may be good for them to move on and amend this rule ;)
Staying in your own corner won't help/encourage the community...
(Oh, BTW, mViewer and FormulaPro were uplaoded on ticalc)
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Actually it's still very popular for files, as most stuff still get hundreds of downloads every week in the top 25 sometimes. And a lot of people upload their stuff there and not here/Cemetech, not to mention TI-Planet's main language (including system files such as "connexion", "inscription", "téléchargements") isn't English, which might turn some people away.
Unless TI-Planet is really intended to directly compete with ticalc.org and phase it out (or that it's due to one or many staff or practices there)? (which might bring him a bad reputation among the older community members, although that could possibly do like the TI-Files days and prompt ticalc.org to start adding new features to compete, but then we would get the unnecessary site wars like back in the days, and right now the war with that one other French site was already enough)
Regardless, you could always try to send the suggestion to their e-mail, though.
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No, we are way more into making discoveries&creations, and making them public. Hence our news reputation.
But since it's the #1 FR website, it has to provide everything, including archives and online tools, etc.
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Will gbSP-Nspire will take out the title?
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Probably ;)
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@adriweb aah ok. As for ticalc.org I must admit though that most of its hardcore fans among the older community members are very "conservative" about the TI community. Back in the days, there was supposed to be only one major file archives and a few programming groups coming to ticalc.org to upload their work or discuss their projects in the upcoming programs section and the mailing list, or they all went on one programming group forum (MaxCoderz, for example, or United-TI later), and ticalc.org posted more news. And they wish the TI community should have remained centered all at one place: ticalc.org.
I remember when some people saw Cemetech and Omni had small archives and that Omni started posting more and more news that it sparked some outrage in an IRC channel, and Omnimaga was even called a walled garden (although I guess that was referring to the banning policies).
However, I am fine with a program not being nominated twice, regardless of how much improvement it gets. Otherwise Ndless would win every year, leaving no chance for other programs. In such case, the POTM would have to be brought back or there would need to be a 2nd place winner.
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Ndless 3.1 was featured though. Maybe ticalc's policy is not to nominate a program that already won a poll.
According to Ryan on the discussion thread (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/148/148147.html) that's exactly why it wasn't on the poll—it was considered an update to a program that was already featured (and won POTY) in 2010.
On the other hand, TiEmu won POTY twice (first as TiEmu in 2005 (http://www.ticalc.org/community/awards/poty/2005.html) and then as TiEmu3 in 2007 (http://www.ticalc.org/community/awards/poty/2007.html)), so there's some inconsistency here...(Oh, BTW, mViewer and FormulaPro were uplaoded on ticalc)
I guess they didn't see that. Maybe they're more familiar with major TI-83 Plus-family releases.
If a program you think should be on the voting list doesn't get featured when it's submitted, you can always suggest it as a feature by emailing featprog@ticalc.org as said on this page (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/featured.html).EDIT : with this happening, how could we even consider "respecting" the POTY anymore ? It has strictly no value ! That's like making a website on my own, making a poll with only my programs and awading myself for being the best, everytime.
I think the point of POTY is the best program uploaded to ticalc.org in a year, with ticalc.org acting as a largely neutral service that simply holds files.
One of the big differences is that the English community and the French community have different philosophies on the archives' purpose. In the French community it's common for a major site like TI-Planet to add major completed community projects to its own archives automatically (as DJ_O pointed out). But in the English community something like that would be unacceptable, so ticalc.org strictly relies on user uploads for its files and featured programs. Not saying one system is better than the other—just felt that that's part of what's causing the problem here.
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TiEmu won twice? O.O I thought the 2nd nomination was actually removed halfway through voting, or maybe it was a different year. I know in one occasion a program was nominated a second time before being removed, and in one occasion, a program that shouldn't have won the POTM did (Wacky Fun Random Numbar Generator v1.000069), although that was fixed later.
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It's still listed there for 2007.
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Nevermind, it was actually FreeFlash for the 68K, which was accidentally nominated again in 2009 (then removed).
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Ndless 3.1 was featured though. Maybe ticalc's policy is not to nominate a program that already won a poll.
According to Ryan on the discussion thread (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/148/148147.html) that's exactly why it wasn't on the poll—it was considered an update to a program that was already featured (and won POTY) in 2010.
On the other hand, TiEmu won POTY twice (first as TiEmu in 2005 (http://www.ticalc.org/community/awards/poty/2005.html) and then as TiEmu3 in 2007 (http://www.ticalc.org/community/awards/poty/2007.html)), so there's some inconsistency here...(Oh, BTW, mViewer and FormulaPro were uplaoded on ticalc)
I guess they didn't see that. Maybe they're more familiar with major TI-83 Plus-family releases.
If a program you think should be on the voting list doesn't get featured when it's submitted, you can always suggest it as a feature by emailing featprog@ticalc.org as said on this page (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/featured.html).EDIT : with this happening, how could we even consider "respecting" the POTY anymore ? It has strictly no value ! That's like making a website on my own, making a poll with only my programs and awading myself for being the best, everytime.
I think the point of POTY is the best program uploaded to ticalc.org in a year, with ticalc.org acting as a largely neutral service that simply holds files.
One of the big differences is that the English community and the French community have different philosophies on the archives' purpose. In the French community it's common for a major site like TI-Planet to add major completed community projects to its own archives automatically (as DJ_O pointed out). But in the English community something like that would be unacceptable, so ticalc.org strictly relies on user uploads for its files and featured programs. Not saying one system is better than the other—just felt that that's part of what's causing the problem here.
^This exactly. Also, many things tend to get overlooked. It's not like archivers can constantly go thorough every single program that gets submitted and test them. This is something they do voluntarily, and they have other things going on as well. As Deep Thought mention, you can also suggest a program if you think it is worthy of a feature. Ticalc has even encourage people to do so because as mentioned, they don't see everything. I certainly don't see POTY as useless. Perhaps somethings need to be improved, but we as a community need to decide what we can do to help improve it instead of just complaining about it. :)
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Nspire voting is up!
Vote between gpSP-Nspire (gpSP Game Boy Advance emulator ported to the Nspire) and Multi(language)Periodic (periodic table)!
The Squares Do Not Die is there as well. My vote is probably going to gpSP though
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Yeah they added it after I made that post (they forgot).
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If a program you think should be on the voting list doesn't get featured when it's submitted, you can always suggest it as a feature by emailing featprog@ticalc.org as said on this page (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/featured.html).
If just 1 or 2 entries were missing, yes I'd do it - everybody can miss an important program as 2012 has been a very productive year.
When allmost all 2012 major programs are missing like here, it's a different thing...
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Few featured programs, few votes... Does POTY still means anything?
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It's not the first time that the results of a category carry reduced meaning due to an overly low number of contenders... In 2010, I got an unexpected POTY with tiosmod+amspatch, because it was the only featured program in that category; but other programs could have been featured and could have been more worthy of a POTY, for instance Benjamin Moody's titools.
However, I think that the '2012 results of the TI-Z80 category are reasonably valid, despite the fairly low number of votes, as there was a reasonably wide panel of contenders due to enough (retro-)features :)
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Well even the Z80 category gets fewer and fewer votes. It's not due to the Z80 calcs getting less popular, but rather Ticalc.org getting less and less popular to participate to socially, although still popular for downloading programs. And yeah I did see the same problem in 2007 Lionel, where a lot of programs would get missed, such as an xLIB update and some great BASIC games. Late 2010 also had issues with Z80 stuff getting missed (and featured late). 2008, on the other hand, doesn't count, since the community was pretty much dead that year.
I know a few years ago some people on Omni were relunctant to post their games on ticalc.org due to the anti-Omnimaga bias from staff and his influence, slow news posting in 2007 and late 2010 and the site having an hard time transitioning towards web 2.0, but Ticalc.org had been the heart of the TI community for over a decade and the goal has always been that ticalc.org archives has every single existing TI program made by the TI community. If that changed in recent years, I guess we have to deal with it, since society elvolves over time, but it would be nice if at least some annual award for TI programmers still retained attention and if it had to be for example Omni starting some sort of POTM, then I worry that some voters would be biased and always vote for Omnimaga programs. :/
Omnimaga has a featured section since Early 2011 or so, but it's all manually updated rather than dynamically, so it's a major hassle to keep up to date. Since it features programs regardless of where they are uploaded (even attachments), this could probably be helpful, though.