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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2011, 06:31:59 pm »
Personally I think shorter rules would solve most problems. They might end up being sounding less serious (I mean on big sites there are like 8 pages of rules most of the time) but at least they would be understood by more people. We may have a moderately big site (not big like SMF, which gets 1200 posts a day, but not medium like the old MaxCoderz board, which had about 150 a day), but regardless of our size, we're still a calculator site, mostly frequented by high school students with limited internet access, and most people don't want to read through 40 lines of rules.

Also on the sign up page, we have all 3 sets of rules in one. I think in the future, I'll just put the English rules there, then add links to the French and Dutch ones below. That will look less large.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2011, 06:32:01 pm »
How about present the rules, Star Wars style? Like in a marquee so they can't fake-scroll.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2011, 06:34:09 pm »
that would get quite annoying, IMO, I kinda like DJs suggestiong.  ;)

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2011, 06:34:23 pm »
Lol. I personally don't have much coding knowledge, so I would prefer if we kept it as less complicated as possible.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2011, 06:43:20 pm »
Well, I don't know the last time you ACTUALLY read the "Terms of Services" for any product :P (look, we've all clicked "I have read and agreed to everything in the ToS" without hesitating, right?)

So I suggest that if you want to get the message across to new members, it shouldn't be easily shrugged away.

To retain more members, make the ToS rememberable but required reading.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2011, 06:47:15 pm »
Yeah, but unfortunately there's no easy way to force people to read them. The best easy way is to make sure the rules are visible enough, like bolt text, and that no scrolling is needed to get to the agree box, so by that time they can maybe take a small look. Sadly not everyone is gonna read rules no matter what.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2011, 06:49:52 pm »
If you do re-write or edit the rules DJ_O and need help with the French translations, I'd be happily obliged to. I think maybe shortening the rules that are self explanatory in a way and then being more specific on definitions on say trolling and such may make sense. And then put in big letters and colored font READ THESE!!!!!! or something haha.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2011, 06:51:36 pm »
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2011, 06:55:05 pm »
Yeah a warning like that could be good. I still want to opt for shorter rules, tho

Also instead of trolling I think we should just go straight to what it meant, like provocative messages or something, since some people who don't speak english as native language or are new to forums might not even know what trolling means. We also need to include the bit about narrow-minded comments about people programs based on file size and stuff, although I guess that could go in language/software wars.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2011, 06:57:26 pm »
I believe DJ_O has the right idea. Usability studies suggest that most people don't enjoy reading much, particularly on the web—if it's not concise enough, people tend to miss it entirely.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2011, 06:58:57 pm »
Yeah I'm a bit like that to be honest, and I am sure I am not alone. If you lurk on forums, notice how project updates with extremly long posts tend to not get as many replies as shorter updates with screenshots?

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2011, 07:09:07 pm »
Personally I think shorter rules would solve most problems. They might end up being sounding less serious (I mean on big sites there are like 8 pages of rules most of the time) but at least they would be understood by more people. We may have a moderately big site (not big like SMF, which gets 1200 posts a day, but not medium like the old MaxCoderz board, which had about 150 a day), but regardless of our size, we're still a calculator site, mostly frequented by high school students with limited internet access, and most people don't want to read through 40 lines of rules.

I like that idea. Make it short and concise (ten lines or less, if possible) and people will actually read them.




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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2011, 07:14:02 pm »
Meh, I don't know. I have a hard time focusing on any given task for longer than 10 seconds.
You could try making it so you have to at least scroll through the TOS to the bottom before clicking submit, like some programs do.
Or you could offer an incentive of 100 dollars in the TOS and watch as nobody bothers to check xD I think there's a company that did it once, and only one person got the prize money.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2011, 07:39:36 pm »
IDEA IDEA! :D
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1) I take this idea from Virtualbox Non-OSE, in which they forced you to read the license agreement by making you scroll ALL the way down before enabling the "Accept" button. This assumes that the ToS is inside a mini text box (or a scrollable DIV). However, some may know the trick, so an additional thing to tack on is a time limit, as well as a scroll rate detection. This depends on Javascript though, which leads me to the next idea:

2) Reading captchas! Basically, there's an image containing text hidden somewhere in the page. I got this idea from a free web host that really wanted its users to read the ToS, and hid an image somewhere. It's really random, but it's very effective as well. Basically, when the user searches for the image, they are pretty much forced to read it as well.

Personally, I would implement #2 or both, since #2 doesn't depend on Javascript. For my choice of both, I say that because using Omnimaga sans Javascript != good experience, so you might as well do both. :P
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2011, 07:50:37 pm »
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