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Omnimaga => News => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on March 13, 2011, 08:50:52 pm
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We are considering the possibility of temporary closing the #omnimaga IRC channel due to abuse (mostly trolling from newer members) in the past 3 weeks. For the next few days, we will be keeping an eye on IRC logs and continue our temporary increased moderation (2nd strike = ban until 2 AM, with no warning for new users) to attempt at solving problems, but if no improvement occurs, the channel will be set to +m and OmnomIRC will be disabled completely.
In addition to that, shortly before what would be the start of our 2011 contest, I will be making my final decision regarding if I continue to pay for Omnimaga hosting and contest prizes or not. This final decision will be based on if there are any improvements regarding the recent abuse. I was disgusted by this and I do not see why I should be treated the way I was by certain new users after everything I've done for the TI community (http://i-lost-the-ga.me/CACHE_http_acceptableconversation.webs.com_assholes.htm), especailly on the coding side and by trying to provide a site like Omnimaga.
We ask people to cooperate, especially newer users (our rules are located here (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2)) so we can continue keeping Omnimaga free of hostility.
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I personally agree with this 100%. #Omnimaga needs to be a place free of hostility, and if it can't be, then unfortunately there will be consequences. If you want there to be a #omnimaga in the future, please remember that everyone has feelings, and remember not to troll. Thank you.
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Also unlike what someone said a few weeks ago, #omnimaga is tied with Omnimaga. Sure, it has some different users, but it doesn't mean the rules are any different there.
Anyway I edited my first post with the most recent example of treatment I received. (see link)
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I just read the link and from the little piece that I saw of the conflict, and I agree that momrocker was being a little rude and narrow minded, and probably has no idea what you personally have accomplished without functions etc in the past. I don't think Ashbad was trying to be though, from how I read it, it seems to me like he honestly was just trying to help.
momrocker does seem like one of those people who don't fit in here that well because of no inner filter and not thinking about how others feel.
I probably missed some more of what happened too so please excuse me if I did.
I wish that there was a better way to make sure people who join the forums read the rules :/
I'm starting to wonder if we should do some restructuring on IRC. Maybe making two channels. One set to +m and only members who have been here for a long time can idle in, and another open to new members and after a while we can allow them access to the other channel. This way the new members can still get help, but they wont disrupt the flow of things in the other channel and cause as many problems. Of course I'm not sure if this idea would really work that well :/
It's always hard dealing with a large influx of new members and it's easy to get discouraged when not many of them follow our standards that well. We have to be patient though, although I know it's sure hard for me sometimes. I've lost my temper once or twice on IRC, but luckily I'm ok at figuring out when I need to stop and just take a break for a little bit, although I usually wait a little too long before realizing :P
I really wish I hadn't missed everything :/
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I like the two channel idea. My question is, how do you join a channel that has +m? Would there be a bot to auto-voice people like me who have been here a while?
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I don't think we should split the channels but maybe a temporary closing or making the current chan only available for chat to admins/mods for a while, with no OmnomIRC.
As for the link what pisses me off the most is that it's not even the reason why I banned him. He claims I banned him because he was trying to help me. This is outright libel.
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What I could suggest for now is to set +m, so people have to wait before being voiced, much like #defocus on Freenode.
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graph, anyone can join a channel that's +m. You just can't speak unless you're +v (voiced), +o (op'd), or both. ;) You might be confusing it with +i (invite-only) or +k (channel key set).
+m is fine with me. The order for offenders would then be warn, -v (devoice), and kick/ban. A second channel only if necessary, IMO (though it just might be, and Eeems's idea sounds all right).
As for momrocker's link, DJ's ban seemed a bit early, and the warnings to momrocker seemed nonexistent. Maybe we could have tried to explain things a bit more? (Though I think we're still on a no-warn policy :/) Before anyone takes my post in the wrong light, I'm not necessarily supporting momrocker. Not sure who to support, really, (presumably DJ and everyone), because I haven't been here for a while :(
So, TL;DR, Graph, look up; Eeems's idea sounds nice; I'm not sure about what to do with momrocker; and I need to be here more often.
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Well, something we could do is only voice established users, but then that would be a pain to manage with all the dynamic IPs...
And yeah we're on the no warn policy atm. Anyway from momrocker's emails I think we no longer need to bother trying to explain him the ban reason. He proved in his response to be a person that simply doesn't belong on Omnimaga. Just putting it on his site, especially the libelous part about the ban reason and name calling, already started to show it.
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right, but I'm saying if someone didn't want to constantly voice, there should be a bot who handles voicing known users.
EDIT: Way to ninja.
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Yeah but we already tried that, to no avail. People don,t bother to ident and stuff.
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Ah, right. Well, there's normally an op around, at least.
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I agree with calcdude on that normally, momrocker shouldn't have been banned that early, but since we're stricter now... But after reading his emails and his site and whatnot, he's just showing more of his true colors... He's seems to disagree with anything thats not his way. :(
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Yeah but we already tried that, to no avail. People don,t bother to ident and stuff.
I would ident if I know my netbot45 password...
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Indeed. What a shame... :( Hopefully he can keep himself together when he posts on here, if he ever does...
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Yeah his e-mail showed his true colors. I will post the entire e-mail convo in public here soon, so people sees by themselves. In his replies he made it clear that he's not the kind of user that we want on Omnimaga. The problem, though, is that we seem to get more and more of these in the past 2 weeks, which worries me about the community future. (remember the 2008 lull due to these incidents?)
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Yeah his e-mail showed his true colors. I will post the entire e-mail convo in public here soon, so people sees by themselves. In his replies he made it clear that he's not the kind of user that we want on Omnimaga. The problem, though, is that we seem to get more and more of these in the past 2 weeks, which worries me about the community future. (remember the 2008 lull due to these incidents?)
Yeah, hopefully when it gets into the contest and summer, it will be calmer.
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I have a feeling the new cx and the nspire news has trigggered more users. I mean i feel a little worried being a new user but with postings of the cx and i guess the prizm and major tech sites like engadget posting about this new calc stuff; its led to an influx of visitors googling nspire and calc stuff (such as ndoom). hopefully people will stop abusing it, i found this site very positive, supportive and helpful.
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It could be nDoom as well too. However we had 1873 guests online once due to a Slashdot article, which is much more than what we got for Doom, yet we had no issues. I think sadly the overall current generation of newcomers that arrive won't care as much for people work for the TI community and only care about free speech, even if at the expense of the community. Not all new users are bad, we got great ones and so far you seem fine too, but the ratio of good:bad user has dropped considerably lately. This worries me because I hope this is not what will happen for the next 8 months or so. This would suck if out of 20 users, 15 were haters, because that means fewer good members/users and harder to keep the good ones around. Also it sucks considering I devoted so much effort in the TI community in the past decade, both programming-wise and site-wise.
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You could try increasing the post count necessary to use the IRC. Say, 100? 50? It would make jerks a lot easier to stop before getting that far.
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that could work cause theyd have to actually post cause spamming and double posts are against the rules. the chances someone would post 50 times to just be annoying on the irc would probably be slim. its unfortunate though that something would have to be done esp to those who are good, honest people interested in calculators and programming. its too bad cause this is a good site
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Nah, anyone can join IRC directly. Just OmnoMIRC can be limited to post counts.
I think sadly we have to resort to just be more strict and continue getting rid of troublesome users. We got rid of one that has absolutely no emotions/feelings about others, unless he returned to cause trouble or something, like he threatened to do during a private chat with another admin.
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Ah. Ok. :(
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Yeah maybe, but you kept re-asking the same question over and over, even if you already got answered twice. I got irritated at it and this is why I asked that since it looked like you might not have understood the question due to a possible language barrier. I am sorry if I overeacted there. Anyway I thought this was solved and that no grudges were held, ralphdspam?
If I am really so bad at moderating/handling the site maybe I should just leave completly?
Anyway I rated down your post because it seems like you are trying to start a fight, Ralphdspam.
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I am not trying to start a fight. My wording was bad.
No grudges are held. I just wanted to say that the policy is not sufficient, and the rules should be re-written. I think there might be just a little too much pressure on the new members.
This is all just my opinion. Feel free to have your own opinions.
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In your case, I agree it was maybe a bit too much, however, the main problem is that lately we received several new members that joined the IRC chat only to troll/start fights. I don't think we should start being more lax on trolling when being strict on it was what made Omnimaga successful in the first place. A lot of ppl joined this site because of this.
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If that is the case, maybe we should rewrite the rules. IMO, the rules were too vague when I read them. Of course, I understand the rules now, but I did not understand them until I learned from someone else getting banned or getting banned myself.
Again, these are just my opinions. I do not want to start any fights. Peace and love. :)
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In your case, I agree it was maybe a bit too much, however, the main problem is that lately we received several new members that joined the IRC chat only to troll/start fights. I don't think we should start being more lax on trolling when being strict on it was what made Omnimaga successful in the first place. A lot of ppl joined this site because of this.
I like the rules, and think that they aren't an issue. Rules give order. Granted not excessive rules, but this isn't really a democracy. More of an oligarchy I suppose, but that's beside the point.
The thing is, how can we say something is wrong if there isn't something against it.
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You know, ralphdspam does raise a valid point. What about the people that first come to Omnimaga? It's simple: read the rules. I believe this is something in the registration process that almost everyone skips over that's very important. How many people actually read the rules when they were registered?
To be honest, I skimmed them. :-\
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I actually did read the rules. They just didn't seem clear enough to me. :\
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Yeah I planned to rewrite them at one point. I just don't feel like doing so because then I have the french ones to rewrite as well and wait for someone to translate them in dutch. X.x
I planned to merge Rule 1/2 and put some emphasis on topic advertising or other netiquette stuff such as being patient when asking questions, since ppl might be busy doing other things while someone asks.
I think the problem right now is that the rules are pretty large.
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Ralph, if you would like to help rewrite the rules so they are more clear, be my guest. :)
The thing is, how can we say something is wrong if there isn't something against it.
For those scholars of the American Constitution, I feel a "Necessary and Proper" clause is in order. ;)
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I could maybe rewrite the rules in english and get someone else like Juju to rewrite them in french.
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The thing is, how can we say something is wrong if there isn't something against it.
For those scholars of the American Constitution, I feel a "Necessary and Proper" clause is in order. ;)
LOL, maybe. Although, fun fact. The Declaration of Independence is 1337 words long.
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Hmm, this might help, make things more clear. Maybe have netbot pm people who join the channel and point them to the rules as well?
@DJ: you do do a good job, albeit you make mistakes, but that's only human, we all make mistakes. I make tons myself, but it's what we do with our mistakes that counts. In my opinion you do very well with learning from them, I mean you actively try to, and I know lots of people who don't, they just repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
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Yeah that's what I suggested for 2 years about Netbot, to no avail. D:
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Ah :( Maybe we could all pester Netham about it? :P
Someone could also make a new bot, or change another one if Netham doesn't have the time to do that.
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Yeah, maybe the first four or five times the username/nick/IP joins the channel it could IRC PM the person the rules or a link to them saying "IMPORTANT: READ RULES FIRST" or something.
That could be asking too much tho :P
Also I agree with the first post. This is kind of getting out of hand sometimes, IMHO
btw the nick 'momrocker' alone sounds kind of nsfw...just an opinion
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Yeah I've been considering asking Netham45 so someone else have access to the bot and can modify it or something. A replacement bot might be more hassle, though, since Netbot45 logs the channel. I guess maybe Netbot could be used as a backup bot like Jarvis to do some rudimentary opping while logging OmnomIRC, and the new bot would do the bulk of channel moderating management.
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Sounds like writing bots is fun :P
Hope something turns out (bot-creation-wise) after recent events, b/c it seems like it's getting somewhat more urgent than before.
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Yeah, much like networks who have ChanServ, it sends notices on join, these notices usually contain links to rules and things like that.
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I feel really sad when reading this article.
But I have been rude once on omnom irc too(With SirCmpwn), so I don't have so much to say.
But I did apologize, unlike momrocker...
My idea is this: Put the post-amount-limit to go on omnomirc from 20 to 1000 or so.
This will ofcourse make that I can't chat, but I still got the forum :)
But people can join from irc clients, etc... so I don't know what to do about that.
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What momrocker did was awful IMHO, and I feel like I'm trying to help to make #Omnimaga a better place, I've been super active lately and always checking if something is going wrong.
But then again, it's very bad having people spamming/trolling #omnimaga all the time.
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has OmnomIRC already been shut down, or is it just netham's server messed up?
netham45.org doesn't work anymore...
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Yes, we can't chat 'normal' anymore.
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Yeah it looks like Netham45 forgot to renew his domain name. I wish I knew the actual location of the logs on his server, so I could link to the IP address and appropriate directory. Just the IP itself links to bonkedbyascout.com. I hope he can retrieve the domain name and it wasn't stolen. Personally I wonder if it wouldn't be best to just use an Omni domain or something, though, to prevent this in the future. I'll post a news about OmnomIRC offline.
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I don't think the way to go is close OmnomIRC, but then again, I'm not that active so I may not have the full picture of the actual problem. Anyway, maybe raise the post req to about 100, that would kill most trolls dead.
Also, the link isn't working for me. Gives not found error.
(sorry for eventual dp, my internet is lagging like hell)
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Well we are gonna close it if half of the time spent there is just to moderate, otherwise it would be fine. The issue was a drastic increase in troublemakers in the past 3 weeks, which mostly active users noticed.
As for the current downtime it's because Netham45.org domain name expired.
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I don't think the way to go is close OmnomIRC, but then again, I'm not that active so I may not have the full picture of the actual problem. Anyway, maybe raise the post req to about 100, that would kill most trolls dead.
Also, the link isn't working for me. Gives not found error.
(sorry for eventual dp, my internet is lagging like hell)
Hmm, it seems that a lot of people are suggesting to increase the post count.. hmmm... I think 50 would be a good idea, it is just around the middle, but, hey, that is just my opinion :)
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I'm not too sure about increasing the post count, although I guess that could be a temporary measure. People get pissed at the 20 posts limit already. X.x
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then let them get more pissed, ignore them ;) I got 50 posts my first day, it's not an astounding number to get if you really do wanna be part of the community.
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Here's an idea: when first signing up, have the person read each rule one by one. Basically, have a page for each rule, and a next button. Only having one rule at a time on the screen makes it much harder for people to skim over stuff.
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then let them get more pissed, ignore them ;) I got 50 posts my first day, it's not an astounding number to get if you really do wanna be part of the community.
That's a good point, but people may have limited computer time, and may want to get on Omnom, but it takes them a while because they only have limited computer access time. Of course, they could use #omnimaga on EFNet, so I guess it's kinda a moot point.
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Maybe go with the +v idea, and have people ask a moderator/admin/irc op after they have reached the 50 posts.
EDIT: 800th post!
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Here's an idea: when first signing up, have the person read each rule one by one. Basically, have a page for each rule, and a next button. Only having one rule at a time on the screen makes it much harder for people to skim over stuff.
Ooooh, that is a nice idea, especially if you mix it with making the next button taking about 15-30 seconds :D
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I like the timed button idea, or we could insert a random word / phrase in the middle of each rule and ask for the person to type it in. I've seen this used successfully on a minecraft server.
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Give them a quiz over the rules and if they flunk they can't sign up. >:D
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I have seen some forums (like my own, running ABXD, link in my sig) that requires finding a word in the rules and type it in at registration, so you must read the rules in order to find out the required word. Of course, lots of people will nag you on IRC saying, "what's the word I'm too lazy to read", but oh well.
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Give them a quiz over the rules and if they flunk they can't sign up. >:D
^this
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Give them a quiz over the rules and if they flunk they can't sign up. >:D
^this
^that
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Personally I think shorter rules would solve most problems. They might end up being sounding less serious (I mean on big sites there are like 8 pages of rules most of the time) but at least they would be understood by more people. We may have a moderately big site (not big like SMF, which gets 1200 posts a day, but not medium like the old MaxCoderz board, which had about 150 a day), but regardless of our size, we're still a calculator site, mostly frequented by high school students with limited internet access, and most people don't want to read through 40 lines of rules.
Also on the sign up page, we have all 3 sets of rules in one. I think in the future, I'll just put the English rules there, then add links to the French and Dutch ones below. That will look less large.
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How about present the rules, Star Wars style? Like in a marquee so they can't fake-scroll.
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that would get quite annoying, IMO, I kinda like DJs suggestiong. ;)
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Lol. I personally don't have much coding knowledge, so I would prefer if we kept it as less complicated as possible.
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Well, I don't know the last time you ACTUALLY read the "Terms of Services" for any product :P (look, we've all clicked "I have read and agreed to everything in the ToS" without hesitating, right?)
So I suggest that if you want to get the message across to new members, it shouldn't be easily shrugged away.
To retain more members, make the ToS rememberable but required reading.
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Yeah, but unfortunately there's no easy way to force people to read them. The best easy way is to make sure the rules are visible enough, like bolt text, and that no scrolling is needed to get to the agree box, so by that time they can maybe take a small look. Sadly not everyone is gonna read rules no matter what.
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If you do re-write or edit the rules DJ_O and need help with the French translations, I'd be happily obliged to. I think maybe shortening the rules that are self explanatory in a way and then being more specific on definitions on say trolling and such may make sense. And then put in big letters and colored font READ THESE!!!!!! or something haha.
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IMPORTANT! Failure to read these rules could result in potential banning from Omnimaga either temporarily or permanently. Please take the time to read these rules.
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Yeah a warning like that could be good. I still want to opt for shorter rules, tho
Also instead of trolling I think we should just go straight to what it meant, like provocative messages or something, since some people who don't speak english as native language or are new to forums might not even know what trolling means. We also need to include the bit about narrow-minded comments about people programs based on file size and stuff, although I guess that could go in language/software wars.
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I believe DJ_O has the right idea. Usability studies suggest that most people don't enjoy reading much (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9710a.html), particularly on the web—if it's not concise enough, people tend to miss it entirely.
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Yeah I'm a bit like that to be honest, and I am sure I am not alone. If you lurk on forums, notice how project updates with extremly long posts tend to not get as many replies as shorter updates with screenshots?
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Personally I think shorter rules would solve most problems. They might end up being sounding less serious (I mean on big sites there are like 8 pages of rules most of the time) but at least they would be understood by more people. We may have a moderately big site (not big like SMF, which gets 1200 posts a day, but not medium like the old MaxCoderz board, which had about 150 a day), but regardless of our size, we're still a calculator site, mostly frequented by high school students with limited internet access, and most people don't want to read through 40 lines of rules.
I like that idea. Make it short and concise (ten lines or less, if possible) and people will actually read them.
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Meh, I don't know. I have a hard time focusing on any given task for longer than 10 seconds.
You could try making it so you have to at least scroll through the TOS to the bottom before clicking submit, like some programs do.
Or you could offer an incentive of 100 dollars in the TOS and watch as nobody bothers to check xD I think there's a company that did it once, and only one person got the prize money.
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IDEA IDEA! :D
(Well, two.)
1) I take this idea from Virtualbox Non-OSE, in which they forced you to read the license agreement by making you scroll ALL the way down before enabling the "Accept" button. This assumes that the ToS is inside a mini text box (or a scrollable DIV). However, some may know the trick, so an additional thing to tack on is a time limit, as well as a scroll rate detection. This depends on Javascript though, which leads me to the next idea:
2) Reading captchas! Basically, there's an image containing text hidden somewhere in the page. I got this idea from a free web host that really wanted its users to read the ToS, and hid an image somewhere. It's really random, but it's very effective as well. Basically, when the user searches for the image, they are pretty much forced to read it as well.
Personally, I would implement #2 or both, since #2 doesn't depend on Javascript. For my choice of both, I say that because using Omnimaga sans Javascript != good experience, so you might as well do both. :P
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If these rules do be not read,
We can make you banish'ed
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thats a good idea as long as it can be easily implemented. but again you dont wanna upset or deter good users at the same time. so the question is whats the best balance of getting people to read the rules and not hurting the experience of the website. again you dont wanna cram it down their throats, but get them wary and to understand the rules. you could implement a formal warning system, one warning, then suspension the prolonged suspension the you get kicked off of you violate that
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Yeah, you don't want to go too far. I personally find those “have to scroll to the bottom before clicking Accept” things already annoying enough, and they don't make me any more likely to read them. Limit the scroll rate, and I would very likely not bother with accepting or signing up at all.
Now if only lawyers would actually wake up and learn how to trim down the fluff enough to avoid scrolling altogether, maybe someone would actually bother reading EULAs. :)
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Maybe have two versions of the rules, one normal and the other like wikipedia's "simple english" (or french or dutch or whatever)
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I was just going to suggest that. Maybe have one version that everyone can read, and one filled with legalese (the "official" one).
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I would prefer to not have too many versions to update. We have like 3 after all. I'M not sure why everyone is so much against shorter version of our rules and want to complicate things so much. X.x
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I actually would prefer a shorter version of the rules myself, most of it seems like common sense anyway :P
I could understand how some people want more detail, though.
Still, some people find it hard to understand the long, (not really) complicated speech, but oh well
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maybe less is truly more hahaha
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Also extremly long rules can scare away people, as they might fear posting sometimes, thinking many stuff is not allowed.
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I'm not too sure about increasing the post count, although I guess that could be a temporary measure. People get pissed at the 20 posts limit already. X.x
yep I got a little pissed, if you could say so, when I saw the 20 posts req for the OmnomIRC, as I'm not that active. But if 20 isn't enough to deter the trolls/a**holes, the 50-100 would stop 99.5% of potential troublemakers...
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I post left and you can go on ;)
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Yeah I guess it can be understood. The thing, though, is that spammers and bots were always a factor that caused me to setup a post count limit. At 0-5 posts it's much easier for them to spam/flood. Another reason is that then the channel would get flooded with newbie questions that are best asked on the forums rather than a chat. Plus, we can connect to the IRC channel directly anyway. It's just less hassle to use OmnomIRC.
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I like OmnomIRC more than Efnet, actually
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I like shorter rules, Although most of it is really common sense. ;)
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Yeah this is what I thought. I think
1: Flaming, bigotry, trolling or any other provocative comment aimed toward an user or group of users.
2: Negative/rude/destructive comments towards someone's project or program based on file size, amount of sub-programs and programming language/libraries used in attempt to discourage the author of the said program. Criticism should be intended to make the person's program better in its current form.
could become 1: Rude and provocative comments aimed at people or their contribution to the community. Please be nice and constructive while criticizing or helping people.
I think that should still be clear that telling someone "Yer pogram suxxorz!!" is not allowed and to use common sense when criticizing (not telling someone his programs is not good because it has more than 1 sub-program or uses pics, when there were no other way around that).
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I edited the rules a bit, what do ya'll think?
Also, I edited some of it for grammar also, there were some minor mistakes. ;)
1: Rude, unconstructive comments towards a project used in attempt to discourage the author is not allowed. Criticism should be intended to make the person's program better than its current form.
2: Don't double post unless there have been 6 hours since your last post, 3 hours if your thread is not on the New Posts page, 1 hour if it's a project update. You can also double post immediately to upload more than 10 attachments at once. Otherwise, update the last post using the "EDIT" button.
3: No duplicate accounts, they will be deleted. Evading an ignore list (private messenger) will lead to a permanent ban without warning.
4: Vandalism, porn, warez, ROMs, copyrighted music and any kind of piracy are not allowed.
5: Advertising is not alowed unless its a calculator, but if transaction fails Omnimaga claims no responsibility. Create your own topic for your own project, do not use others, unless its a mini-project showcasing thread.
6: Flooding and spam outside the "Randomness" section (invisible to guests) of the forums, using the character "•", or posting everyone's nicknames on IRC for no reason is also considered spam.
7: Not suitable for work/children content outside the "Randomness" section of the forums. This excludes swearing, which is allowed everywhere, providing it doesn't break rule #6.
8: Bots with any public commands, that can output public messages or unrequested private messages are not allowed.
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OK. looks pretty comprehensive. I hope that the newer members will actually follow it though, instead of glancing at them for a few seconds.
edit: 100th post ;D
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Seems nice, but should we add something about complaints like "Why my post was rated down? Why is my respect low? Everyone hates me!" or is that included in Rule #1 (fight starting)?
Also I think we can get rid of the 3 hours between posts if our thread is gone from the list, because even on that 700+ post day a few months ago the new posts list for the last 6 hours never even filled half of the page.
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Coming on for just a bit - I've modified those rules (from yunhua), as they look a bit unclear to me.
I've also fixed any spelling or grammar mistakes:
1: Rude, unconstructive comments towards a project used in attempt to discourage the author is not allowed. Criticism should be intended to make the person's program better than its current form. Complaints about people, respect, etc. should be resolved via PM, not in the public. Complaints anywhere else is not allowed.
2: Don't double post unless there has been 6 hours since your last post, 3 hours if your thread is not on the New Posts page (remove?), or 1 hour if it's a project update. You can also double post immediately to upload more than 10 attachments at once. Otherwise, update the last post using the "EDIT" or "QUICK EDIT" button.
3: No duplicate accounts - they will be deleted. Evading an ignore list (private messenger) will lead to a permanent ban without warning.
4: Vandalism, porn, warez, ROMs, copyrighted music and any kind of piracy are not allowed.
5: Advertising is not allowed unless it's a calculator project (or, in some cases, selling/requesting a calculator). However, if you are buying/selling a calculator, and a transaction fails, Omnimaga claims no responsibility. For calculator projects, create your own topic for your own project. Do NOT use others, unless its a mini-project showcasing thread.
6: Flooding and spam outside the "Randomness" section (invisible to guests) of the forums, using the character "•" (not sure what this is... could we replace with "using obscure characters like "•" without reason"?), or posting everyone's nicknames on IRC for no reason is not allowed.
7: Not suitable for work/children (NSFW/NSFC) content outside the "Randomness" section of the forums is not allowed. This excludes swearing, which is allowed everywhere, providing it doesn't break rule #6.
8: Unauthorized bots on IRC with any public commands that can output public messages or unrequested private messages are not allowed. Bots that are silent, authorized by an admin, or that just logs are allowed.
Hope this helps! :)
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Uhm what happened to the rudeness towards other members part? Now rule 1 is too long. How do we integrate both parts?
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Yeah, that's a bit of a challenge unfortunately. :(
And it's in the "Complaints about people" and "Rude, unconstructive comments" parts, but it's probably not as clear.
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Maybe we can include something about the ban policy.