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#### alberthrocks

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2010, 11:30:43 am »
wow! sounds like we need to establish a business plan for this.

Not yet - still need to think about designs, etc.
THEN the business plan will come.
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#### Happybobjr

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2010, 11:32:43 am »
sounds good, still trying to figure out all the terms but ok.

i have an idea for advertiing.  when we finish, we can send about 10 calcs to each person who invested/ helped.  these to be sold at their school for the price that takes to make plus shiping and handling.  Then people will at least have heard of them.  Or we can let teachers borrow them.  that might be a great way to get started.
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#### matthias1992

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2010, 11:35:30 am »
OK I agree on not betting money into this yet. We need some serious planning, I deem it best for alberthrocks to do that. Just let one person do that, this prevents the project to eventually break down. I hope alberthrocks can confirm he will do that? or maybe he can appoint somebody else, as long as there are no more then 2 people max working on it we should be fine. This person (or persons) could then output their ideas to the community and the community can give feedback and new ideas, once the design and harware design is decided the community can more actively involve into this.

Remember that building this can take years, I estimate it about 1 or 2 before we actually get to a point where there is something sellable available. I do not intend to be pessimistic but I think we should al consider the huge effort and time this takes.

now I will await a confirmation that alberthrocks or somebody else will do the planning, until then 9and after it) we can still spit ideas here...
I pretty much ask everyone to be patient with this, it is quite a undertaking and not something to be taken lightly.

Once somebody has the lead over all this we can then move further along side the directions given by that person.
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#### alberthrocks

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2010, 11:43:41 am »
@happybobjr: nah, too expensive. Teacher idea is OK.
10 calcs = 10 X $80 ish =$800. Pretty big...

@matthias1992: I'm busy all the time. This is a community project - the wiki will help us organize ideas.
We'll all agree on a set spec, and such. I and many others can help the planning and such stay on track.

@everyone else:
WE NEED A WIKI FAST! Someone wake DJ up or something...
You are correct - it can take a while to do such a thing. This isn't small - this is some serious work.
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#### meishe91

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2010, 11:48:15 am »
Ok, so I feel like I should put my input into this a bit. Anything I say is not meant to upset anyone, piss anyone off, de-hype someone or anything. I'm just trying to look at this realistically. Sorry if anything sounds harsh, not my intention. I'm just kinda flat saying things.

Couple things:

1. Alberthrocks is right, DO NOT start getting your money out, hopes up, and such. Right now we are just planning and nothing is for sure set (yes, I know Raylin said this was official but things can still happen (no offence Raylin)).
2. Again, alberthrocks is right. Math is a must. If we didn't have math then a lot of operations go out the window, for one, and also we might as well be building a new type of GameBoy.
3. This is my personal opinion but before we start thinking about design I think we need to get the specs figured out and then get the software made and ready to go. That is the first priority I think. Building it will be a lot less stressful then.
4. When it does come time to building this thing, if we get that far, then the shell and buttons could probably be made from a 3D printer at school or something (I'm not saying I can do this, I'm just saying that's a possibility because some technical classes teach about them and are pretty handy).
5. Before we start thinking about making multiples of these we need to first just make a single one. See how much it costs, see what we can change or fix. We needn't worry about making a bunch right now.
6. Once this thing starts to take off and multiple people get involved in planning and such I think there needs to be an online hard drive site that we use where everything is stored. No offence to Omni but a thread isn't a good place to keep everything because it's hard to keep it organized. I also think this should be constrained to members only stuff so nobody from the outside can't interfere and such.
7. Right now I would advise NOT think about mass producing this. We don't know how much this will cost and we don't even know what will happen with these things.

Again, sorry if anything upsets someone. It is not my intention. Just trying to help this succeed
@happybobjr: nah, too expensive. Teacher idea is OK.
10 calcs = 10 X $80 ish =$800. Pretty big...

@matthias1992: I'm busy all the time. This is a community project - the wiki will help us organize ideas.
We'll all agree on a set spec, and such. I and many others can help the planning and such stay on track.

@everyone else:
WE NEED A WIKI FAST! Someone wake DJ up or something...
You are correct - it can take a while to do such a thing. This isn't small - this is some serious work.

I would advise editing that just a bit because it sounds like you're trying to get DJ to do it and I'm fairly sure most or all of us know where he has been standing on admin related stuff. I know you didn't mean it like that but ya, it could be interpreted like that.
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#### matthias1992

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2010, 11:53:16 am »
@happybobjr: nah, too expensive. Teacher idea is OK.
10 calcs = 10 X $80 ish =$800. Pretty big...

@matthias1992: I'm busy all the time. This is a community project - the wiki will help us organize ideas.
We'll all agree on a set spec, and such. I and many others can help the planning and such stay on track.

@everyone else:
WE NEED A WIKI FAST! Someone wake DJ up or something...
You are correct - it can take a while to do such a thing. This isn't small - this is some serious work.

Ok well then i will wait for a wiki. And indeed, math must be 10 not 6 , purely to smack TI.
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#### Happybobjr

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2010, 11:53:56 am »
just real quick, when we get knight os finished, copyright it.  just a thought.
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#### nemo

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2010, 11:54:51 am »
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just real quick, when we get knight os finished, copyright it.  just a thought.

tell SirCmpwn that, it's his project.

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2010, 11:56:31 am »
just real quick, when we get knight os finished, copyright it.  just a thought.
Actually, why not make the software open-source.  Another smack to TI?

#### alberthrocks

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2010, 11:56:43 am »
Ok, so I feel like I should put my input into this a bit. Anything I say is not meant to upset anyone, piss anyone off, de-hype someone or anything. I'm just trying to look at this realistically. Sorry if anything sounds harsh, not my intention. I'm just kinda flat saying things.

Couple things:

1. Alberthrocks is right, DO NOT start getting your money out, hopes up, and such. Right now we are just planning and nothing is for sure set (yes, I know Raylin said this was official but things can still happen (no offence Raylin)).
2. Again, alberthrocks is right. Math is a must. If we didn't have math then a lot of operations go out the window, for one, and also we might as well be building a new type of GameBoy.
3. This is my personal opinion but before we start thinking about design I think we need to get the specs figured out and then get the software made and ready to go. That is the first priority I think. Building it will be a lot less stressful then.
4. When it does come time to building this thing, if we get that far, then the shell and buttons could probably be made from a 3D printer at school or something (I'm not saying I can do this, I'm just saying that's a possibility because some technical classes teach about them and are pretty handy).
5. Before we start thinking about making multiples of these we need to first just make a single one. See how much it costs, see what we can change or fix. We needn't worry about making a bunch right now.
6. Once this thing starts to take off and multiple people get involved in planning and such I think there needs to be an online hard drive site that we use where everything is stored. No offence to Omni but a thread isn't a good place to keep everything because it's hard to keep it organized. I also think this should be constrained to members only stuff so nobody from the outside can't interfere and such.
7. Right now I would advise NOT think about mass producing this. We don't know how much this will cost and we don't even know what will happen with these things.

Again, sorry if anything upsets someone. It is not my intention. Just trying to help this succeed
@happybobjr: nah, too expensive. Teacher idea is OK.
10 calcs = 10 X $80 ish =$800. Pretty big...

@matthias1992: I'm busy all the time. This is a community project - the wiki will help us organize ideas.
We'll all agree on a set spec, and such. I and many others can help the planning and such stay on track.

@everyone else:
WE NEED A WIKI FAST! Someone wake DJ up or something...
You are correct - it can take a while to do such a thing. This isn't small - this is some serious work.

I would advise editing that just a bit because it sounds like you're trying to get DJ to do it and I'm fairly sure most or all of us know where he has been standing on admin related stuff. I know you didn't mean it like that but ya, it could be interpreted like that.

Agreed. THINK before leaping. This can be very successful (I've seen community projects evolve into consumer products), but we need to do some serious thinking before starting anything.

Yeah, the current plan is to host it on Cemetech or Wikidot.

just real quick, when we get knight os finished, copyright it.  just a thought.

It's copyrighted already. Anything you write, do, etc. is under your ownership. It's likely going to be open source, so that places a big lock on it already.
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#### TIfanx1999

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2010, 11:58:18 am »
Just thought I would point out, Knight OS is being developed by Sir specifically for the 83+ Series. At this point we don't even know what kind of hardware might be used or if running something like Knight OS would even be feasible. I'm also unsure how likely it would be that Knight OS will be copyrighted, more than likely it'll be released as open source under a license.
*edit* wow, super ninja'd.
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#### nemo

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2010, 11:59:25 am »
i don't mean to be mean, but remember that KnightOS is not "ours". it's Sir's. let him decide what he wants to do with it, and we can focus on our calculator.

#### meishe91

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2010, 12:00:32 pm »
Ok, so I feel like I should put my input into this a bit. Anything I say is not meant to upset anyone, piss anyone off, de-hype someone or anything. I'm just trying to look at this realistically. Sorry if anything sounds harsh, not my intention. I'm just kinda flat saying things.

Couple things:

1. Alberthrocks is right, DO NOT start getting your money out, hopes up, and such. Right now we are just planning and nothing is for sure set (yes, I know Raylin said this was official but things can still happen (no offence Raylin)).
2. Again, alberthrocks is right. Math is a must. If we didn't have math then a lot of operations go out the window, for one, and also we might as well be building a new type of GameBoy.
3. This is my personal opinion but before we start thinking about design I think we need to get the specs figured out and then get the software made and ready to go. That is the first priority I think. Building it will be a lot less stressful then.
4. When it does come time to building this thing, if we get that far, then the shell and buttons could probably be made from a 3D printer at school or something (I'm not saying I can do this, I'm just saying that's a possibility because some technical classes teach about them and are pretty handy).
5. Before we start thinking about making multiples of these we need to first just make a single one. See how much it costs, see what we can change or fix. We needn't worry about making a bunch right now.
6. Once this thing starts to take off and multiple people get involved in planning and such I think there needs to be an online hard drive site that we use where everything is stored. No offence to Omni but a thread isn't a good place to keep everything because it's hard to keep it organized. I also think this should be constrained to members only stuff so nobody from the outside can't interfere and such.
7. Right now I would advise NOT think about mass producing this. We don't know how much this will cost and we don't even know what will happen with these things.

Again, sorry if anything upsets someone. It is not my intention. Just trying to help this succeed
@happybobjr: nah, too expensive. Teacher idea is OK.
10 calcs = 10 X $80 ish =$800. Pretty big...

@matthias1992: I'm busy all the time. This is a community project - the wiki will help us organize ideas.
We'll all agree on a set spec, and such. I and many others can help the planning and such stay on track.

@everyone else:
WE NEED A WIKI FAST! Someone wake DJ up or something...
You are correct - it can take a while to do such a thing. This isn't small - this is some serious work.

I would advise editing that just a bit because it sounds like you're trying to get DJ to do it and I'm fairly sure most or all of us know where he has been standing on admin related stuff. I know you didn't mean it like that but ya, it could be interpreted like that.

Agreed. THINK before leaping. This can be very successful (I've seen community projects evolve into consumer products), but we need to do some serious thinking before starting anything.

Yeah, the current plan is to host it on Cemetech or Wikidot.

just real quick, when we get knight os finished, copyright it.  just a thought.

It's copyrighted already. Anything you write, do, etc. is under your ownership. It's likely going to be open source, so that places a big lock on it already.

Well I didn't mean something like a Wiki or something. I meant an actual site that acts as a hard drive. That way only the people working on the project have access to it and its components.

As for the copyright thing I think he meant like an official patent
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#### alberthrocks

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2010, 12:03:15 pm »
Just thought I would point out, Knight OS is being developed by Sir specifically for the 83+ Series. At this point we don't even know what kind of hardware might be used or if running something like Knight OS would even be feasible. I'm also unsure how likely it would be that Knight OS will be copyrighted, more than likely it'll be released as open source under a license.
*edit* wow, super ninja'd.

It's copyrighted from the start, so no worries.
Also, it's 100% Z80, so he can alter it to run on the new hardware.
Open source != not copyrighted. If I released some code as GPL, I still have rights to it, and can revoke the license at any time.

i don't mean to be mean, but remember that KnightOS is not "ours". it's Sir's. let him decide what he wants to do with it, and we can focus on our calculator.

Obviously. He wrote the code, he gets to decide.
Ok, so I feel like I should put my input into this a bit. Anything I say is not meant to upset anyone, piss anyone off, de-hype someone or anything. I'm just trying to look at this realistically. Sorry if anything sounds harsh, not my intention. I'm just kinda flat saying things.

Couple things:

1. Alberthrocks is right, DO NOT start getting your money out, hopes up, and such. Right now we are just planning and nothing is for sure set (yes, I know Raylin said this was official but things can still happen (no offence Raylin)).
2. Again, alberthrocks is right. Math is a must. If we didn't have math then a lot of operations go out the window, for one, and also we might as well be building a new type of GameBoy.
3. This is my personal opinion but before we start thinking about design I think we need to get the specs figured out and then get the software made and ready to go. That is the first priority I think. Building it will be a lot less stressful then.
4. When it does come time to building this thing, if we get that far, then the shell and buttons could probably be made from a 3D printer at school or something (I'm not saying I can do this, I'm just saying that's a possibility because some technical classes teach about them and are pretty handy).
5. Before we start thinking about making multiples of these we need to first just make a single one. See how much it costs, see what we can change or fix. We needn't worry about making a bunch right now.
6. Once this thing starts to take off and multiple people get involved in planning and such I think there needs to be an online hard drive site that we use where everything is stored. No offence to Omni but a thread isn't a good place to keep everything because it's hard to keep it organized. I also think this should be constrained to members only stuff so nobody from the outside can't interfere and such.
7. Right now I would advise NOT think about mass producing this. We don't know how much this will cost and we don't even know what will happen with these things.

Again, sorry if anything upsets someone. It is not my intention. Just trying to help this succeed
@happybobjr: nah, too expensive. Teacher idea is OK.
10 calcs = 10 X $80 ish =$800. Pretty big...

@matthias1992: I'm busy all the time. This is a community project - the wiki will help us organize ideas.
We'll all agree on a set spec, and such. I and many others can help the planning and such stay on track.

@everyone else:
WE NEED A WIKI FAST! Someone wake DJ up or something...
You are correct - it can take a while to do such a thing. This isn't small - this is some serious work.

I would advise editing that just a bit because it sounds like you're trying to get DJ to do it and I'm fairly sure most or all of us know where he has been standing on admin related stuff. I know you didn't mean it like that but ya, it could be interpreted like that.

Agreed. THINK before leaping. This can be very successful (I've seen community projects evolve into consumer products), but we need to do some serious thinking before starting anything.

Yeah, the current plan is to host it on Cemetech or Wikidot.

just real quick, when we get knight os finished, copyright it.  just a thought.

It's copyrighted already. Anything you write, do, etc. is under your ownership. It's likely going to be open source, so that places a big lock on it already.

Well I didn't mean something like a Wiki or something. I meant an actual site that acts as a hard drive. That way only the people working on the project have access to it and its components.

As for the copyright thing I think he meant like an official patent

SVN, Mercurial, GIT, and others act as a code collaboration server, and as a backup.
Patents? I hate patents. And patents are only for ideas, not OSes. Copyright is strong enough.
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AtomBot v3.0: 0% done (Planning stage, may do a litmus test of developer wants in the future)
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wxWabbitemu: 40% done (NEED MOAR FEATURES )

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M__ C_____ (an A____ _____ clone): 0% done (Need to figure out physics and Axe)
C2I: 0% done (planning, checking the demand for it, and dreaming )

#### Happybobjr

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##### Re: Let's build our own calculator!
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2010, 12:08:06 pm »
sry, I didn't mean to harsh everyones mellow.
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