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Calculator Community => Other Calc-Related Projects and Ideas => Topic started by: Galandros on January 25, 2010, 09:17:00 am

Title: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: Galandros on January 25, 2010, 09:17:00 am
Hey look what I discovered from the tv news:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_music

What you think about porting to calculators?
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: mapar007 on January 25, 2010, 11:35:24 am
Go ahead! Great idea!
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: JoeyBelgier on January 25, 2010, 12:01:45 pm
Something new and coolish to do in math lessons :D
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 25, 2010, 02:25:49 pm
I remember LSDJ from a certain site and there's also Pocket Music for the GBC that got released only in Europe. They can apparently be interesting to mess around with.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: Galandros on January 25, 2010, 02:32:23 pm
Go ahead! Great idea!
The idea is not me doing it. :P This is more a calcmaniac84 or Jim e thing.

But if I find the source code of some of the alternatives in the z80 Gameboys, maybe I can try to port it even if the calculators don't have good hardware. I think I know the basics of sound, but for some advanced stuff, I had to search some wikipedia articles.
I will check if there is any source file when I get will or nothing better to search.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: ztrumpet on January 25, 2010, 03:26:09 pm
This is an awesome idea!  Recently I discovered this http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/102/10288.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/102/10288.html) and have used it a lot.  I love making music in class, and I'm pretty sure what you're thinking of would be even better!  I say go for it!  :)
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: Galandros on January 25, 2010, 04:24:38 pm
This is an awesome idea!  Recently I discovered this http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/102/10288.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/102/10288.html) and have used it a lot.  I love making music in class, and I'm pretty sure what you're thinking of would be even better!  I say go for it!  :)
Nice find, too! I also saw a music editor with sound. (you could put notes with music representation)

I am glad you think this is a good idea. I am a bit excited to see what result can anyone come with.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: mapar007 on January 26, 2010, 02:56:49 pm
I'm pretty sure Jim E is not an active community member anymore...
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 26, 2010, 03:09:52 pm
Yeah after the DarksunDS incident I think I recall reading a post from him saying he left a year earlier because he didn't have the interest to work on z80 anymore. However, this recently updated Pokémon build (which seems to be based on his 2001-2004 build) in their file folder is kinda mysterious
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: Galandros on January 26, 2010, 04:15:50 pm
Yeah after the DarksunDS incident I think I recall reading a post from him saying he left a year earlier because he didn't have the interest to work on z80 anymore. However, this recently updated Pokémon build (which seems to be based on his 2001-2004 build) in their file folder is kinda mysterious
Jim e experiments are mysterious.

But I think Jim e and calcmaniac84 have some interesting projects and experiments. Their works are always a surprise to us. Let me remember, Jim has the Real Sound, best so far released source of asm grayscale package, grayscale video, and so on.
Calcmaniac84, you, all regulars in Omnimaga know.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 26, 2010, 05:32:46 pm
I can't imagine what Calc84 will come up with next considering he has been around for less longer than Jim and is still into hi school for a while though :O
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: ztrumpet on January 27, 2010, 09:24:58 am
I can't imagine what Calc84 will come up with next considering he has been around for less longer than Jim and is still into hi school for a while though :O
I can't believe he's still in high school.  He's such an incredible programmer!
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 27, 2010, 02:18:42 pm
Yeah he started pretty young, and unlike most people who starts this young, he sticked around. I noticed when people starts at like 11-13 years old, their interests seems to change faster and they don't get involved as much.

Most people starts at around 14-16 (I started at 14, four days before turning 15)
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: mapar007 on January 27, 2010, 03:16:13 pm
I started at 13. As of now, I'm 15, and I've quasi-mastered z80 asm. I think I'll stick around ;D

(Next school year will be my last in secondary school (==high school in the US), though, so once I'm at university, idk what will happen)
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 27, 2010, 03:25:15 pm
Yeah many people lose interest or lack the time after 18 x.x, those who stick around are rare afterward and many who do hardly code anymore. Example: Simplethinker and myself
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: mapar007 on January 27, 2010, 03:25:52 pm
My problem will probably be lack of time...
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 27, 2010, 03:28:08 pm
It is natural after hi school for people to lose interest, though. We have to face it: for most people, calculators aren't a priority in their life.

Many calculator fans in the TI community in general are like ice hockey fans in Southern USA. To keep them interested in supporting teams you have to give them more reasons to do so, like during summer we had a programming contest with prizes. The established members also need to produce lot of interesting products. In southern hockey markets, teams have to win, else you get a Phoenix Coyotes situation. It even came to the point where someone on United-TI suggested that eventually, calculator programming groups would have to pay their staff to keep them active. Fortunately, the new innovations in calc programming in 2009 will probably be enough to keep more people interested for a while.

Because many community members aren't that loyal to the TI community (ie: their absence during Summer and their short stay in the community), most have higher interest only when they are in hi-school and have math classes. During summer, calc programming interest often goes down. When people start college, most of the time they no longer have math classes, so a graphic calculator is not needed anymore. This is when their interest slowly fades away.

That said, being more busy doesn't help either.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: mapar007 on January 27, 2010, 03:31:14 pm
In computer science studies, I might maybe get into 68k calc programming. Who knows? (maybe cleverbot :P)
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 27, 2010, 03:39:05 pm
Lol, seems like that bot sparked a lot of interest
 
Back on topic, I wonder if a TI-Nspire music creation program could be doable if there's a way to use the 84+ keyboard with it and sound through the I/O port..., something like Dance Ejay or MTV Music Generator maybe. MTVMG1 allowed you to do great music only with 2 MB of memory allocated to loaded samples. The only major issue is that I don't think such tool could include as many samples as the old MTVMG did and it may need fewer sound channels since the Nspire hardware was not designed for graphics and music intensive stuff like console and computers do

EDIT: Maybe something less complex than MTVMG could actually be possible like the first Ejay from 1997 (which I don't think let you edit your own melodies, though)

Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: ztrumpet on January 27, 2010, 04:36:13 pm
Yeah he started pretty young, and unlike most people who starts this young, he sticked around. I noticed when people starts at like 11-13 years old, their interests seems to change faster and they don't get involved as much.

Most people starts at around 14-16 (I started at 14, four days before turning 15)
I started calc programming when I was 13, but I didn't join the community for 1.5 years, when I was 15.
I think I'll stick around also.

DJ, that's neat, and I would love something like that for the calc.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: Galandros on February 03, 2010, 12:14:09 pm
I searched today and I didn't found any source code of the Gameboy programs posted on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: 8-bit sound for DJs
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 03, 2010, 01:21:53 pm
ouch, I guess then the only way would be disassembling them (if possible to do so with the ROMs) or rewriting from scratch x.x