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Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: elfprince13 on October 06, 2006, 07:29:00 am
Patrick Stone has requested that I try and gage some interest in his Black Eagle Shell 4.0 Asm version and to see who would be interested in beta testing it for him.

if you have any interest in it please post here.
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: Halifax on October 06, 2006, 12:42:00 pm
is it going to add anything new or is it going to be a MirageOS copy ??
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 06, 2006, 03:12:00 pm
hmm is patrick stone the guy from suicidal psycho software? I remember that small team from back when I was still very active at MaxCoderz, there was a few interesting project in there
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Post by: elfprince13 on October 07, 2006, 02:29:00 am
indeed he is, (Im also a member)..... he's also one of the ticalc.org file archivers.

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also, pat posted a copy of the manual a while back http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=310
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 02:34:00 am
that look great!
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Post by: elfprince13 on October 07, 2006, 03:05:00 am
yeah, evidently Pat's been fairly busy this year.....
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 03:10:00 am
yeah, and the suipsyso forums seems to be dead as well :(sad.gif
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Post by: elfprince13 on October 07, 2006, 03:22:00 am
heh, tell me about it...Im pretty much the only active member left
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 03:46:00 am
yeah your last post was last winter I think <.<
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Post by: SuiPsySof on October 07, 2006, 07:54:00 am
Hey, I don't do "nothing".  Sure, I don't do nearly as much as I used to or as much as I should, but I help out when I get time (which is rare, I admit).  Plus, when I first got "hired" (although I am not sure if that is the right word as no money is involved), I was the only one archiving...tons and tons of files.  Plus, when Jason doesn't have time or is on vacation, I take over.  So please, don't just blindly repeat anything you hear.  Go ahead and ask me about it before you go defaming my name and I will give you the downright truth.  Thanks.

Patrick Stone
Suicidal Psycho Software
http://www.geocities.com/suipsysof
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: SuiPsySof on October 07, 2006, 07:55:00 am
The beta would contain the basic shell functions including:

  Archiving/Unarchiving Programs
  Locking/Unlocking Programs
  Deleting Programs
  Resetting RAM
  Hibernating
  Showing Calculator Information
  Showing Shell Information
  Showing Program Information (Size, Type {Asm, Basic}, Archive Status, Lock Status, Shell Assosiation, Program Description, Program Image)
  Running Programs (Basic, TI-OS Asm, and possibly ION Asm {if I get it finished}).
  Displaying RAM and ROM (down to the byte)
  Displaying Credits

Remember, this is a beta.  Therefore, more features would be added to the final version.  I am open to any comments and suggestions.  The options screen currently resembles MirageOS and that is something I would want to change.  If anyone has any design ideas, please let me know.  

The final version WILL be able to run MirageOS programs (although only ones that call the most common Mirage functions as DetachedSolutions is not willing to give me the source code for their functions  :(sad.gif ).  However, future updates may allow any Mirage functions.  Also, I am planning on implementing a hide/unhide function.  

This shell recognizes file types for DoorsCS, MirageOS, ION, and Black Eagle Shell (BES).  Another good thing is that it sees all programs on the calculator.  Therefore, if you want to unlock a Basic program for editing but cannot add the colon that MirageOS requires to see the Basic program, you can simply just start BES and unlock it there.  

Also, the final version will be able to read program images out of a Basic program (instructions on how to make a Basic program image will be included).  This is similar to how DoorsCS does it but it will be twice as big.  

Please remember, this is only a beta.  Currently, I am trying to finish the run program part so that the beta will be able to run Basic programs and TI-OS Asm programs.  I am planning on releasing this on October 12th or 13th if enough people are interested.

To e-mail any concerns, bugs, suggestions, or whatever, my e-mail address is [email protected].  Thanks.

Patrick Stone
Suicidal Psycho Software
http://www.geocities.com/suipsysof
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 08:02:00 am
sry I didnt meant to be bad by saying this, I'll delete this part of my post. Again sry, no hate intended toward anyone. It's just the other file archiver who said that a few times and when he was gone I was sure it was michael_V who taken over because michael_V sometimes did file archiving this summer from what I seen in tcpa logs. Again sorry

As for the app it look nice and the features look promising as well, it's cool that it will support DoorCS, MOS and Ion programs, will it support BASIC programs from DCS too with the file icons?

As for Detached not willing to give out source code don't worry, someday we (as the rest of the community) will take over this world and pwn them all :Dbiggrin.gif (j/k)

anyway welcome here, I wish I could help this project but I dunno asm :(sad.gif
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: SuiPsySof on October 07, 2006, 08:25:00 am
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As for the app it look nice and the features look promising as well, it's cool that it will support DoorCS, MOS and Ion programs, will it support BASIC programs from DCS too with the file icons?


The beta will not support the DoorsCS Basic program icon, but the finished version will.

No harm done, I know it was just hearsay, but nonetheless, it was somewhat hurtful.  Thanks for deleting it.  (One of my own programming group members has done the same thing too :(sad.gif .  Oh well.)

By the way, I forgot to mention, this will be open source.  However, it will be copyrighted.  Therefore, you can learn from it as well as even possibly use pieces of it (provided you give appropriate credit) but you cannot just add some code, recompile, and SHABAM!, you've got a shell.  More will be explained at the time the beta is released.  Any other questions?

Patrick Stone
Suicidal Psycho Software
http://www.geocities.com/suipsysof  
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 08:34:00 am
I'm glad this got resolved, *xlibman
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Post by: elfprince13 on October 07, 2006, 10:17:00 am
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As for the app it look nice and the features look promising as well, it's cool that it will support DoorCS, MOS and Ion programs, will it support BASIC programs from DCS too with the file icons?


The beta will not support the DoorsCS Basic program icon, but the finished version will.

No harm done, I know it was just hearsay, but nonetheless, it was somewhat hurtful.  Thanks for deleting it.  (One of my own programming group members has done the same thing too :(sad.gif .  Oh well.)

By the way, I forgot to mention, this will be open source.  However, it will be copyrighted.  Therefore, you can learn from it as well as even possibly use pieces of it (provided you give appropriate credit) but you cannot just add some code, recompile, and SHABAM!, you've got a shell.  More will be explained at the time the beta is released.  Any other questions?

Patrick Stone
Suicidal Psycho Software
http://www.geocities.com/suipsysof  

 perhaps you could ask Kerm to use his reimplemented MOS routines, they are open sourced at this point, but he can be a little territorial (no offense kerm) due to some issues with code being stolen in the past.
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Post by: SuiPsySof on October 07, 2006, 10:46:00 am
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Will the app be released under GPL like Omnicalc btw?  

 Well, probably not GPL, but we'll see.  I am not quite sure it will be under a specific license besides copyright license.  Again, I am okay with people using little pieces of code only if credit is given and I don't mean in small print at the end of the readme.  I mean in the code and in the readme.  

As for asking Kerm for the routines, I think I better not as of right now.  Like you said, he has DoorsCS and might be a little territorial and I don't blame him for that.  In fact, I repect that as it would be what I would do as well.  I think I can handle finding out all of the Mirage functions...however, it will take time.  So that is why I am planning on only supporting the most used ones and then another version (or update) would have the remainder.

Thanks for the feedback.

Patrick Stone
Suicidal Psycho Software
http://www.geocities.com/suipsysof
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 11:36:00 am
that sound like a good deal. personally I like if ppl give me credits if they use code of mine, and preferably ask me permission first if its a game I released in the past 12 months..

oh yeah I was gonna tell you about the forum signature system as I noticed you kept posting your link in every posts x.x but now you have a sig so you shouldnt have to post the signature manually in every posts, especially considering I made the forum so guests can view signatures and avatar as well ;)wink.gif
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Post by: SuiPsySof on October 07, 2006, 12:30:00 pm
Ya, I finally figured that if I am going to posting a lot to the 4 forums this topic is in, I better make a signature at each to save some typing.  Here are the other sites this topic is being discussed at in case anyone cares.

http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=5809
http://www.revsoft.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=9830
http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1890

Also, I am sure something will start up at the SPS forums.
http://suipsyso.8.forumer.com/index.php
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: Halifax on October 07, 2006, 12:43:00 pm
I like that shell it looks awesome and especially since it's in ASM
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 07, 2006, 02:24:00 pm
yeah I hope this give some activity to suipsyso as well. I noticed you used z80 revelation skin tho O_Oshocked2.gif or is it Forumer default skin (i think they have few options)?

http://tifreaks.8.forumer.com - note thats an inactive forum I used to be staff here with Spengo, Dragon__Lance, NanoWar, Shadow Phoenix and lloydkirk1989 but it died and now its filled with spambot posts :(sad.gif quite ironic that before dying the forum had 50 members and now it has 500

I wonder if it would also get some responses at http://tifreakware.ath.cx and http://hrp.myfastforum.org too? And anyone remember the URL to MC forums I don't even remember it. Maybe ppl here would be interested in it as well if you are looking for more forums, I dunno. Anyway keep up the good works!
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Post by: SuiPsySof on October 08, 2006, 05:56:00 am
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yeah I hope this give some activity to suipsyso as well. I noticed you used z80 revelation skin tho O_Oshocked2.gif or is it Forumer default skin (i think they have few options)?

No, it is just one of the skins there.  I think it is called charcoal or something along those lines.  Actually, I think George (one of our members) picked it when we set up the forum.  I don't think we get enough traffic to get spambots, but we'll see.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 08, 2006, 08:03:00 am
well usually spambots spam dead forums, and if the post arent deleted more spambots come. We at Omnimaga recently got a serious spambot attack (around 30 in the summer) if it didn't stopped you would not even have been able to post here cuz regisration system was about to be disabled completly so you would have had to email me so I register an account for you :Swacko.gif . I deleted all their accounts a while ago, now hence why your member id is 205 while the entire forum only have 130 members

This is why dead forums tend to get spambots attack more, cuz no one is here to delete them. I'm glad it stopped lately I hope you wont get spammed too :Ptongue.gif , I know MaxCoderz, UTI, Cemetech and Revsoft got similar problems in the past


btw even though I'm not a big fan of geoshitties I love the SPS website a lot, I dunno why but i like the scheme and design
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: SuiPsySof on October 08, 2006, 08:36:00 am
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btw even though I'm not a big fan of geoshitties I love the SPS website a lot, I dunno why but i like the scheme and design

Well, I'm not a big fan of 'geoshitties' either, but that's where our website first started and sometimes it is good to stick to your roots.  I was planning on having our own domain name (for free, of course) through Microsoft Office Live, but they don't allow your own coding.  You have to do it using their webpage maker (which I don't like) as our webpage was hand coded HTML.  I have tried other free domain name sites, but most seem to suck.  Oh well.  But thanks for the compliment.  I love black and 'the special red' which is my own concoction.  LOL.  Anyway, thanks.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 08, 2006, 09:07:00 am
yeah i agree not changing URLs all the time is good sometimes, we got through so many urls that now I'm not even willing to buy a domain name anymore, and even less after the Rivereye studio incident

http://cf.geocities.com/omnimaga/ -that website was before omnimaga opening on apr 9th 2004 It was under construction and only showed a pic of my Reign of legends 3 project back then
http://omnimaga.freewebpage.org/
http://www.unitedti.org/members/omnimaga/
http://www.omnimaga.tk/
http://waterignelaan.demon.nl/omnimaga/
http://omnimaga.earthforge.com/
http://omnimaga.unitedti.org/
http://omnimaga.dyndns.org/
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Post by: elfprince13 on October 08, 2006, 11:54:00 am
hehe, and Ive only really been around since the dyndns days
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 08, 2006, 12:00:00 pm
we got through lot of hosting trouble :(sad.gif

first: geocities didnt offered enough space and disallowed remote linking, second freewebpage was slow as hell and had a huge pop up, third, UTI back then only offered 10 MB of space, then I kv83 server went down and I wasnt here so i couldnt know about it, and earthforge got trouble as well adn expired for a while so now I am on UTI again since it offer more space, and I got a dyndns.org subdomain for the forums
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: SuiPsySof on October 21, 2006, 05:32:00 am
First and foremost, thank you all for your much appreciated feedback.  That is exactly what I wanted and needed.  I received a lot of feedback from all 4 or 5 forums this topic was listed on.  After a couple of weeks thinking about what everyone has said and also about what is best for me right now, I have sadly decided to discontinue this project until further notice.  I really hate to do this because, for me, it is admitting failure.  But I don't believe I have a choice.  Work and school are only becoming more time consuming (especially school) and the pressure and stress of it all has builded to no end.  Something must get pushed to the side, and unfortunately, it is BES.  I really loved programming it and I hate to quit.  But it is wrong for me to keep hoping and dreaming it will be done and that is not fair to the TI community.  


Lastly, some of the features I was trying to incorporate were either A) Someone else has already incorporated those into another shell (like Kerm Martian with DoorsCS...no offense Kerm, love what you've done with the shell) or B) Some people think it makes the shell 'cluttered' or they think it is not needed.  Unfortunately, it seems my dream (to finish BES, the ASM version) has been washed away by the waves of time and may possibly never return to the sandy beach where it belonged.  I am sorry to anyone who counted on me for this, but you must understand, it is what is best for me and the community (because I will no longer be getting anyone's hopes up or anything like that).  Again, I am sorry, but this is what I must do.  

Good luck and I will be checking in from time to time to say hello or maybe help out with some ASM or something.  Keep in touch.  I am also willing to help out BASIC programmers who need an 'ASM function' (which basically just controls something in ASM that BASIC just cannot do).  Since those don't take much time, I can probably squeeze them in here and there.  Just drop me an e-mail ([email protected]).  Thanks and sorry again.

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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2006, 05:57:00 am
sry to see this project go :(sad.gif but i truly understand that school, real life and in some cases work must be put first, calc stuff shouldnt take priority over the rest, otherwise this can cause trouble. I hope to see you around again in the near future though :)smile.gif
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: SuiPsySof on October 21, 2006, 10:38:00 am
Yes.  I am taking 16 credit hours of classes (which doesn't include the roughly 3 hours of homework per credit hour of class), working 32 hours (in 3 days I might add), tutoring for about 6 hours (in C/C++ at school), seeing my girlfriend (which is never enough), and still managing to find a little time to sleep.  So, like you said, real life must be more of a priority right now.  Thanks for understanding.
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2006, 03:21:00 pm
X.X I'm glad i live in canada O_Oshocked2.gif hi school here was MUCH less overhelming (30 hours of class and 2-10 hours of homework per week maximum)  
Title: Black Eagle Shell
Post by: SuiPsySof on October 22, 2006, 05:37:00 am
But I am guessing that is High School.  My High School was the same way, but once you get college and start taking your core Major classes, it is much more time consuming.  Unfortunately, I didn't really learn ASM until I got out of high school which was the same time that my free time started to exponentially decay (although at least it will never hit zero this way!!!).
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Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2006, 09:19:00 am
yeah over here college/uni can be overhelming a lot, depending of what you decide to study