Post by: bfr on December 07, 2006, 06:22:00 am
Post by: elfprince13 on December 07, 2006, 06:31:00 am
Post by: Spellshaper on December 07, 2006, 07:09:00 am
Post by: tifreak on December 07, 2006, 08:40:00 am
But DCS definitely owns.Mirage has wiped out my projects too many times and I was not even using it, so it sux.
Post by: Liazon on December 07, 2006, 11:13:00 am
Post by: Halifax on December 07, 2006, 11:58:00 am
Post by: Liazon on December 07, 2006, 12:08:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2006, 01:10:00 pm
DoorCS comes second in my choices, then crunchy. I dont like Ion because it take too much ram for some asm games
Post by: TsiJiang on December 08, 2006, 08:37:00 am
Post by: KermMartian on December 08, 2006, 10:40:00 am
| QUOTE (Halifax @ 7 Dec, 2006, 17:58) |
| MOS because it has never crashed on me. And DCS includes a lot a stuff that is not needed for a programmers. What functions are assembly programmers actually going to put into their games. |
If you take a look at elfprince's Strategic Conquest, you'll see the power of some of these extra libraries. :)
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| And another downside to DCS is that it will possibly be 3 pages. MOS is only 1 page so there's my opinion. ALso MOS is straightforward none of this flashy graphics stuff that DCS has. SOme more unneeded stuff |
Not true re: the 3 pages. There's no danger whatsoever that Doors CS 6 will exceed the current 2 pages. At elfprince's prompting, I've begun to investigate the possibility of including CrunchyOS program support.
Post by: Krid on December 08, 2006, 10:46:00 am
Post by: Halifax on December 08, 2006, 10:47:00 am
Post by: KermMartian on December 08, 2006, 10:52:00 am
| QUOTE (Halifax @ 8 Dec, 2006, 16:47) |
| Yes Kerm but you have only named 1 program that took control of that powerful library. How many programs have already taken control of MOS's library and still are. |
...dude, MOS has been around for well over 6 years now. DCS 6 hasn't even been released yet. I've already had interest from several other well-known community figures for info in using features like my GUI API in their own programs. No offense taken, though, merely a challenge to excel. :)
Post by: Halifax on December 08, 2006, 11:06:00 am
Post by: tifreak on December 08, 2006, 11:12:00 am
Besides, MOS looks cluttered. DCS and Crunchy feel more open...
Post by: bfr on December 08, 2006, 11:52:00 am
Halifax: MirageOS provided common routines that everybody of course would use. DoorsCS, well, opens the door to a new kind of GUI programming, that may take some time to get used to. I like DoorsCS's interface in general. I get confused with what does what when the little bar pops up when I press ALPHA though. And even if a lot of people don't end up using DoorsCS's GUI routines, it's not like they're taking up 4 ROM pages or something. I'm already liking DoorsCS6 and it hasn't even been officially release yet. And remember - DoorsCS supports all of MirageOS's routines, plus more. I'm not necessarily trying to convince you that MirageOS is horrible and DoorsCS pwns it, but I'm trying to say that DoorsCS isn't all that bad and has its pros. I personally plan to make a few programs that take advantage of DoorsCS's GUI routines, sometime in the future.
Post by: Halifax on December 08, 2006, 01:27:00 pm
@bfr: yea it may include MirageOS routines but say there is a programmer that only uses MOS routines would the common user rather take up 16384 bytes of space or 16384*2. I would go with the 16384 unless stated that the program is especially built for DCS.
Note: I am not saying I hate DCS because I would actually like to develop some programs for it using the GUI functions(if I had the info)
Post by: KermMartian on December 08, 2006, 05:41:00 pm
Post by: tifreak on December 09, 2006, 02:45:00 am
| QUOTE (Halifax @ 9 Dec, 2006, 0:27) |
| hmm tifreak8x you don't know if that was MOS or the calc messing with MOS so maybe yeah you have taken of MOS so the calc can't mess with it, so it perspective MOS is not the one messing up. |
You might be right if it was only one calc... but on all my 83+s, I dont think so. Now if we can just get kerm to finish DCS... :P
:samurai:
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2006, 03:21:00 am
Post by: Halifax on December 09, 2006, 09:41:00 am
Post by: Demon on December 09, 2006, 10:43:00 am
Post by: Liazon on December 09, 2006, 03:41:00 pm
| QUOTE (Demon @ 9 Dec, 2006, 16:43) |
| *Demon likes CrunchyOS because you can compress games and put them into the CruncyOS app, saving s...loads memory. |
Same, although there aren't that many and iirc, they have to be compiled, or written a certain way.
Any way to disable smartwriteback in DCS?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 09, 2006, 03:45:00 pm
Post by: elfprince13 on December 09, 2006, 04:31:00 pm
also, DCS doesn't (yet...hopefully) allow you to turn off writeback
Post by: KermMartian on December 09, 2006, 05:05:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 02:35:00 am
Post by: KermMartian on December 10, 2006, 03:18:00 am
1. A program is run. If it's BASIC or ASM and in ROM, it's copied to RAM. under a temporary program name.
2. The program is executed and eventually quits.
3. If it's BASIC, Doors CS deletes the temporary program. If it's ASM, Doors CS compares the copy in RAM and the copy in ROM. If they're the same, the RAM copy gets deleted. If not, the ROM copy is deleted, the RAM copy is renamed, then archived.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 03:24:00 am
| QUOTE (KermMartian @ 10 Dec, 2006, 9:18) |
| It totally pwns MirageOS. |
LOL, you <_<
j/kinteresting tho.
Post by: Liazon on December 10, 2006, 04:00:00 am
Post by: elfprince13 on December 10, 2006, 02:29:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 02:41:00 pm
wow? but at least does it hide them from dcs menu?
Post by: elfprince13 on December 10, 2006, 02:51:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 02:58:00 pm
Post by: elfprince13 on December 10, 2006, 03:24:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 04:02:00 pm
Post by: elfprince13 on December 10, 2006, 04:09:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 04:12:00 pm
Post by: KermMartian on December 10, 2006, 04:28:00 pm
| QUOTE (Liazon @ 10 Dec, 2006, 10:00) |
| I have a habit of using SMC, and I'd prefer having the program always start in the default state ^^ |
Mmm, it's good programming practice to initialize SMC areas anyway... :)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2006, 04:35:00 pm
Post by: elfprince13 on December 10, 2006, 04:39:00 pm
Post by: KermMartian on December 11, 2006, 02:21:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 11, 2006, 02:22:00 am
Post by: KermMartian on December 11, 2006, 04:06:00 am
Post by: dinhotheone on December 13, 2006, 10:34:00 am
Post by: necro on December 14, 2006, 08:03:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 15, 2006, 03:04:00 am
Post by: KermMartian on December 15, 2006, 08:14:00 am
Post by: Halifax on December 15, 2006, 10:21:00 am
Post by: KermMartian on December 15, 2006, 11:19:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 15, 2006, 01:55:00 pm
Post by: KermMartian on March 14, 2007, 03:05:00 pm
Post by: bfr on March 14, 2007, 03:32:00 pm
Hmmm...as far as you know.... ;)
Post by: Delnar_Ersike on March 14, 2007, 05:48:00 pm
Why MOS is better than DoorsCS:
-Easier navigation
-Smaller size (but why do I care, I have an 83+ Silver after all...)
-Has almost never crashed for me (unlike Doors... <_<
)-Can easily identify different or relating programs (Doors shows a huge icon and the program name in size 2 font)
What DoorsCS needs to be better than MOS:
-Calc-to-internet connection instead of calc-to-computer-wit-idle-internet-to-internet connection
-Smaller size
-Easier navigation (maybe like choosing between icon and list display types)
There's my summary :D
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Post by: KermMartian on March 14, 2007, 05:51:00 pm
Smaller size is impossible without removing all of the functionality that makes DCS unique. The navigation thing is an idea, though.For those who would like to try 6.0 Release Candidate 2.1:
http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?298
Post by: Fallen Ghost on March 15, 2007, 12:27:00 am
Otherwise I'd say MOS, as it is relatively small, has a great number of useful functionalities for both user and programmers.
Then I'd say either DCS or ION, DCS being for it's huge compatibility, compensed by it's totally intrusive, evil and useless GUI, ION being for it's relatively small size and good amount of useful routines (who uses all MOS routines anyway?).
Post by: dinhotheone on March 15, 2007, 01:56:00 pm
Post by: Insanity on March 15, 2007, 05:24:00 pm
Because it saves writeback data into an appvar, there is almost never any Garbage Collecting. Even though there's only 10k of Archive free on my calc, I only get garbage collection messages every five to ten games rather than every single game I play, like what happens with MirageOS and Ion, and DCS (if it didn't act weird when it needs to Garbage Collect), so on someone who had like 30k free of archive, they could play a lot of games before having to garbage collect.
Also, since the writebacks get saved into appvars, it dosen't get saved back into the original game, so if anything bad happens in which the game would write something bad back to itself that caused problems later (like that one game that did that and it kept crashing every time you ran it), all you'd have to do to fix it is just delete the appvar and boom, it works again.
Oh, and CruncyOS can run compressed games, and you can also pack games into CruncyOS itself to save lots of space on your calc, keep your program menu in TIOS clean, and makes it a breeze to transfer games to another calc 'cause you'd only have to transfer the CruncyOS App.
Post by: KermMartian on March 15, 2007, 07:35:00 pm
| QUOTE (Insanity @ 15 Mar, 2007, 22:24) |
| ...Oh, and CruncyOS can run compressed games, and you can also pack games into CruncyOS itself to save lots of space on your calc, keep your program menu in TIOS clean, and makes it a breeze to transfer games to another calc 'cause you'd only have to transfer the CruncyOS App. |
Yeah, but does anybody actually take advantage of that?
Post by: Insanity on March 15, 2007, 07:40:00 pm
Post by: Jon on March 15, 2007, 07:49:00 pm
Post by: Insanity on March 15, 2007, 08:01:00 pm
...or if someone at school could give me a great deal...
Post by: Delnar_Ersike on March 16, 2007, 04:53:00 am
| QUOTE (Insanity @ 16 Mar, 2007, 1:01) |
| If money grew on trees... ...or if someone at school could give me a great deal... |
I bought my 83+ Silver on Amazon for ~$80...
Post by: Insanity on March 16, 2007, 08:47:00 am
But still, if other shells could do something about reducing the need for Garbage Collection - which I think doing too much of is bad for the Flash - like CruncyOS, and if they would power-save after about 30 second of no usage rather than three minutes or never (as suggested by someone at my school), then I'd be more comfortable with other shells.
Post by: Liazon on March 17, 2007, 06:48:00 am