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Calculator Community => Other Calculators => Topic started by: blue_bear_94 on February 22, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
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As you know, TI is keeping us from using any of their stuff (including the OSes!) on emulators not from TI. (http://ourl.ca/18393)
I'm planning to protest against this injustice at my school. You can do the same.
What do you think?
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It would be nice, but sadly since there is only 1 person per school or less who actually even care about emulating their calc, this might be hard to attract people to the protests.
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Actually, there are a lot of teachers that make use of WabbitEmu.
My sister actually has to use it sometimes for her math course. The ban will likely affect them as well. So it would be feasible to get the teachers themselves involved. They've got the saying power anyways, since TI caters to them.
Also, DJ, your statement just reminded me of this :P
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10573921/Protests_by_Shadowfang3000.png)
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And if my friends don't care about this, I'll make them care about it :P/me runs
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We could send ti emails complaining :P
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How can we protest? What kind of stuff can we do?
EDIT: Maybe we can have a petition thing going on then once we get a lot of signatures we can send TI a letter in actual mail with all of the signatures of the people.
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ZZZZzzzz...
You guys are really making this a bigger deal than it really is.
Ranman ducks for cover!
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Personally I would only protest if TI was to take action against 3rd-party emulation or if the 84+CSE was really slow to the point of hindering math students, not just coders, else we can't do much. Most students and teachers could care less about calculator game programmers. Of course, though, if TI really screws up bad in the same fashion as the RSA keys, by trying to take down emulators or some other third party tools, then it might work if anonymous or some other group gets involved. Two years ago, Z80man tried to convince his school to switch to the PRIZM, but teachers didn't want to learn a new calc. I still think the calc has potential for ASM coders and to a lesser extent TI-BASIC, just not as many kind of games (especially vertical scrollers). Also this might make more BASIC coders try harder to code properly. I still see too many TI-84+ BASIC games that runs at 83+ speed because the author didn't bother optimizing them.
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/me agrees with ranman
it's a EULA, which means it probably wouldn't hold up in court, as there is no way to prove that you actually read and accepted the terms when acquiring the os (you may have gotten it from the calculator of a friend who downloaded it, for example, which is a possibility enabled by TI themselves with the "send OS" option). furthermore, it would only potentially affect users, as nothing at all can be said against people producing third-party emulators without a shred of code from any TI product in them. lastly, this is all assuming that they would bother paying attention and taking action against single users in the first place, which is highly unlikely.
EDIT: all that being said, the 84+SE C is a huge disappointment, and is practically the best possible move TI could have made if their intention was to dismantle the community (or the part of it focussed on the z80 series, at least).
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Nobody other than we read the terms and agreements anyways, so I don't think anything will change :P
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I think that pretty much everybody agrees with the fact that the practical importance of that silly move by TI is low; but the principle of attempting to restrict our freedom is loathsome in itself, and we need to fight back vigorously. One of the ways to fight back is to spread out the word :)
Who knows whether this silly license change is not the first step of a carefully planned path backwards (for us) ? If we accept the unacceptable, they'll be all the more tempted to execute the next steps...
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ZZZZzzzz...
You guys are really making this a bigger deal than it really is.
Ranman ducks for cover!
True.
By downloading the application you indicate your agreement with the terms and conditions of the License.
I assume that by now all those applications have been already downloaded before that new license was there. So, if you download it from somewhere else you shouldn't have a problem(I assume).
Also, I'm pretty sure at least someone has all the OS's downloaded. I don't think it's a problem to share them with people, who definitely own the calc.
But to be honest, if you use an emulator, all you'll really need is community apps, and your own calc's ROM which you dumped yourself.
So no problem. :D
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But wouldn't the ROM include TI's OS?
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Yes, but if you didn't agree to that licence, since you owned that OS before that new licence came out, I don't see a direct problem.
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My cousin's school has switched completely to casio because of the pricing... so that's a start. :)
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Are you saying the school has it's own Casio calculators, or that is what the school recommends?
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Are you saying the school has it's own Casio calculators, or that is what the school recommends?
both
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Ah, I see. That's pretty nice. :)
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Ah, I see. That's pretty nice. :)
Indeed. :)
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I wish my school were like that.
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I wish my school were like that.
all the more reason to protest ;)
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The only reason I would see a school legitimately avoid the PRIZM is if math classes make students write programs with drawing commands and that the slow commands turned them off. I mean, even though the calc runs at 58 MHz, it takes several seconds to generate this screen:
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/prizmsnake.gif)
Now compare with the 84+CSE
(http://www.cemetech.net/img/news/84pcse_review7.gif)
The PRIZM screenshot runs slightly faster than the real calc and the 84+CSE one runs about 25-30% slower.
ASM, on the other hand, is much faster.
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Wait, by legitimately, do you mean that it was forced to use TI calcs doesn't count?
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Could you rephrase your question? I don't understand what you mean.
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Wait, by legitimately, do you mean (that it was forced to use TI calcs) doesn't count?
I meant to ask whether if a school was forced to use TI calcs, it would or wouldn't count as legitimate.
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Nah, by legitimately I mean that a school would refuse to use a calc model from their own will. For example, if a school decided to refuse to use the PRIZM due to brutal drawing speed hindering the calc use for math, then it would be a legit reason.
However, if a school decided to refuse to use the PRIZM in exchange of a bribe (pot-de-vin) from TI, then it wouldn't be a legitimate reason.
Some people suspected that TI did that in the past in order to retain their monopoly, but apparently it isn't the case and schools just didn't want to have to learn a new calc due to having used the 82 series for over a decade or due to having gotten hot deals from TI when buying calcs in bulk.
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Or maybe the school might want to use TIs because of the extra cost and difficulty of switching.
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Plus some students borrow their sis/bro's TI calc and might not want to buy a new model
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My school in germany used to have casio calcs, we switched at some point because the TI 'was better', as in, was better in math.
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Are the math features of TI calcs really better than those of Casio calcs?
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Of the casio calc our school had, idk which one, it is a green-white one.
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Of the casio calc our school had, idk which one, it is a green-white one.
Probably AFX... cool!
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I think khaki calcs were only in France, otherwise the only green-white calc was the FX-9750G or FX-9750GII.
As for math features I often heard that TI had more of them, but I'm not sure if it's true. I know that the AFX was pretty rich in features, though. Didn't it also have a CAS?
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I think khaki calcs were only in France, otherwise the only green-white calc was the FX-9750G or FX-9750GII.
As for math features I often heard that TI had more of them, but I'm not sure if it's true. I know that the AFX was pretty rich in features, though. Didn't it also have a CAS?
It had a cas, yes.
Also:
(http://edu.casio.com/products/graphic/afx20p/images/closeup_afx20p.jpg)
I thought it had white on it, maybe not.
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In France, it looked like this:
(http://www.jeuxcasio.com/modules/ChoixCasio/images/graph100.jpg)
Due to how they looked like, those calcs were the laughing stock of the French TI community.
I myself have the FX 1.0 PLUS, so I don't know if AFX games work on it. I don't know how to send files to it anyway.
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I think khaki calcs were only in France, otherwise the only green-white calc was the FX-9750G or FX-9750GII.
As for math features I often heard that TI had more of them, but I'm not sure if it's true. I know that the AFX was pretty rich in features, though. Didn't it also have a CAS?
oh, yeah, it looks like that (no cas), when my brother got it it was the G and when my other brother got it they updated to GII
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I think khaki calcs were only in France, otherwise the only green-white calc was the FX-9750G or FX-9750GII.
As for math features I often heard that TI had more of them, but I'm not sure if it's true. I know that the AFX was pretty rich in features, though. Didn't it also have a CAS?
oh, yeah, it looks like that (no cas), when my brother got it it was the G and when my other brother got it they updated to GII
Then it was an fx9860G. ;)