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Calculator Community => Other Calculators => Topic started by: qazz42 on February 06, 2011, 11:10:11 am
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Well, I was talking with the calc teacher at my school, and she said something very interesting when I mentioned something about 2.2...
it was something like "TI is planning a BIG thing with the nspire, a new OS, but that is not all, they are planning something even else. I cannot tell you more other than it comes out after Winter Break, but it is going to be extremely different and HUGE"
what could this mean O.O O.O
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They'll release a screen with 256 levels grayscale! :P
It only costs as much as a brand new Nspire, and it's still terribly blurry.
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It could mean that your teacher is a spy >_>
Or maybe that she cannot wait for winter break!
Or maybe that TI is going to add some support that teachers have been wanting for years...
Who knows!?
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Is "after Winter Break" in 2012, or do I completely fail at knowing when Winter Break is?
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After 2011 winter break (which is coming up for us in america :D)
I think they are making a new nspire :-X
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So your Winter Break of this winter hasn't ended yet? It ended about a month ago here...
Maybe it's just those data collection things that critor has posted a topic about.
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Nope, it hasnt even started. it starts next week I THINK, or was it the week after? ... (thinks to self some more)
No, I asked, she said it was even more important and bigger than that. I am really scared though :( it could just be something that makes us have to pull our hair out to hack it :P
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Nope, it hasnt even started. it starts next week I THINK, or was it the week after? ... (thinks to self some more)
Hmm, that sounds similar to the "sportlov" that we have here in Sweden... What I thought was named Winter Break in English maybe is named Christmas Break or something?
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No, there are two breaks during winter in America. Christmas break and Winter Break. Winter break in Feb and Christmas Break in December
they are different
now back on topic, waht does everyone speculate what this means? It is supposed to be unknown to the public, so gotta think outside the box :D
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now back on topic, waht does everyone speculate what this means? It is supposed to be unknown to the public, so gotta think outside the box :D
Maybe a new kind of keypad? Something that they think is better than the touchpad...
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ooooh, perhaps a TI-89 keypad? j/k
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No, there are two breaks during winter in America. Christmas break and Winter Break. Winter break in Feb and Christmas Break in December
Lucky. We just get Winter/Christmas Break :P
Anyway, is she part of T3 or something? And "something big"? That can't be good.
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O.O
wait.. winter break? I thought that was the same thing as christmas break? ??? when does it begin/end?
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No, there are two breaks during winter in America. Christmas break and Winter Break. Winter break in Feb and Christmas Break in December
they are different
now back on topic, waht does everyone speculate what this means? It is supposed to be unknown to the public, so gotta think outside the box :D
Odd. I always called them winter and mdwinter breaks.
Back on topic, maybe this is going to be when they add app support, though I'm not getting too hopeful.
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Hmm.. I wonder what critor has to say about this.. would he know anything more than that teacher?
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I really hope they do make a full color Nspire! Some of the programs that could be made with that would be nothing short of completely amazing!
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Full color screen + huge RAM FTW!!!!!!
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Maybe they'll call it raiNbow? :P
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I could see it being a full color Nspire. Intriguing... ;D
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Lets hope for app support! O.O This is interesting...
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I could see... nothing. The teacher probably knows nothing more than critor.
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Maybe it has something to do with that docking station that was posted about before?
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Maybe it has something to do with that docking station that was posted about before?
probably, teachers get all giddy about that kind of crap :P
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Well, I was talking with the calc teacher at my school, and she said something very interesting when I mentioned something about 2.2...
it was something like "TI is planning a BIG thing with the nspire, a new OS, but that is not all, they are planning something even else. I cannot tell you more other than it comes out after Winter Break, but it is going to be extremely different and HUGE"
what could this mean O.O O.O
I think she is talking about something she has no idea of. But it may also be true :D
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I only have Christmas. Anyway, there's no reason to speculate. And since Winter is technically December through February, I'm assuming after February we'll find it.
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Perhaps something that can permenately disable Ndless?
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Perhaps ti will surrender?
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Or maybe calc networking, much like how your teacher takes the control of your PC to show something to everyone so everyone sees on their screen whatever the teacher is doing on his computer, but on-calc.
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A TI-BASIC that doesn't suck...
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Or maybe calc networking, much like how your teacher takes the control of your PC to show something to everyone so everyone sees on their screen whatever the teacher is doing on his computer, but on-calc.
probably something like that, since teachers only care about stupid things like that. Only COOL people like ndless type stuff :)
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Or maybe calc networking, much like how your teacher takes the control of your PC to show something to everyone so everyone sees on their screen whatever the teacher is doing on his computer, but on-calc.
probably something like that, since teachers only care about stupid things like that. Only COOL people like ndless type stuff :)
Then we'll figure out how that networking works, then hack out something like KermMartian's gCn for the 83+. Then ???? and PROFIT.
Also, do the projector thing like they did for the other series of calcs exists?
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Nope, they're gonna add Java and a Python interpreter :P And an on-calc IDE.
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Nope, they're gonna add Java and a Python interpreter :P And an on-calc IDE.
We can only wish. TI is to evil to let us do that
EDIT:*ruler hopes so bad for a python interpreter
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nah, they have apps, technically speaking. I think our fears of a new line of nspires night be upon us D:
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I think everyone's ignoring the obvious: it's a TI-BASIC command called TheGame that plays a sixteen level greyscale rickroll. Like every other TI-OS feature, it will also use an ungodly amount of memory.
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For some reasons, I don't think this will be a new calc, because the last time they made new calcs they got leaked several months before release. On ticalc.org and other sites you can find Nspire discussions from back in 2006. To me, it seems more like Nspire OS 2.2 or 3.0 will just add plenty of math features and maybe a few small programming functions but nothing signifiant, but that OS will take like 23-24MB and might not work with Ndless 2.0.
But again maybe they'll announce a new calc. They might want to compete against the Prizm.
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@Juju they do have an nspire viewscseen. I think it uses USB, but it might use the dock connector, not sure.
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That said, I wonder if TI will eventually release a TI-Nspire memory expansion pack. Maybe they're making OSes large purposely to eventually make people buy more Flash. :P
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I'm hoping for an ASM command :P and an SDK.
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OH! I forgot about the SDK! IIRC on TI-BANK there were rumors about a possible SDK for Spring 2011 along with the new OS, but there was no source. Apparently it would be a paid SDK, though, like TI-Flash Debugger back in 1999-2002. (The reason why back in the days nobody made apps)
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Well, that is possible. One thing for sure is that the new thing is not a new OS or such. I really do hope for SDK :D
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I'm in America, and Winter Break = Christmas Break...must be a public school thing.
As for what the secret thing could be, maybe it's new programming in the calcs to prevent non-TI calc geeks like us from messing with the settings? Or worse, something to prevent us from hiding our programs from teachers?
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I doubt the teacher knows what the word "Programming" means though :P unless it's a comp. sci. teacher
Thing is, maybe the teacher confused it with something else or misheard it, like "New Color Nspire!" with "Your house is on Fire!"...
:) jk
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I don't know, teachers tend to know all sorts of things that you wouldn't expect them to know...
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...like multiplication of single digit numbers
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That's something you would expect them to know.
I'm talking about stuff like "the merits of doing the doggy style over the missionary position" type of thing.
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I doubt the teacher knows what the word "Programming" means though :P unless it's a comp. sci. teacher
Thing is, maybe the teacher confused it with something else or misheard it, like "New Color Nspire!" with "Your house is on Fire!"...
:) jk
taht is a little insulting. the techer knows a heck of alot basic and some, hint on SOME, asm
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I'm talking about stuff like "the merits of doing the doggy style over the missionary position" type of thing.
like....?
lol jk.
Please don't as we don't want to drive away younger members.
My teachers can surprise me with all the school gossip they know.
Also after i sucked up to a couple of my teachers (telling them how to avoid/strengthen parts of school internet/computer security)
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I'm talking about stuff like "the merits of doing the doggy style over the missionary position" type of thing.
like....?
lol jk.
Please don't as we don't want to drive away younger members.
Actually, it would be safe enough to explain...that was one of the weirdest discussions ever in biology class that semester...we were talking about the differences between asexual and sexual reproduction and the teacher used those terms as metaphors for those concepts. My class never allowed her to forget that day, either.
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*Sigh*
can we keep this on topic? The topic is about what the big thing might be, NOT SEX
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! You said the 6 word! Anywho, your teacher is obviously a spy bent on getting community hopes up in anticipation of a non programmable calc :P
No, I hope it is a good thing for us ^-^
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haha, me too. Luckly, it could mean something along the lines of more programmibility. Ah well, know telling until after my Winter Break...
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Teachers always get excited about the wrong stuff. Last year my math teacher made a big deal when OS 2.53 came out, but knew nothing of the Axe Parser. Whatever TI planned, either we don't care or it will just make our lives worst.
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Built-in Axe Parser maybe?? Because its the best calc language ever!!
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I'm having a hard time to think that "something big" could be a good thing for the open development community...
For a start, further lockdown of the Nspire platform (unless one wishes to use the official tools - should they wish to release some after years of boo-hissing about ASM) is to be taken for granted.
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yes, i think teachers would like that... but we wont. D:
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Hey! Hey! Hey! Gues what?! Check this out!!!!
http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9649&pid=143381&st=0&#entry143381
So apparently a few weeks ago NETWizz over on UTI emailed TI-Cares and finally a letter was received... Check it out!
But it doesn't answer the question... It does however seem to have a more positive spin to the speculation!
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That'll sure be interesting to watch, but keep cool everybody ;)
Herb Foster is the high-level manager at TI, on whose behalf the bogus DMCA takedown notices were sent to BrandonW, chronomex and several others. He may well have gotten a clue since then (for a start, about the fact that opening a calculator platform to decent programming does increase sales - for one, that's exactly why I bought a TI-89 instead of a Casio Graph 100 ten years and a half ago, and I know I'm far from being alone in that case), but we cannot hold our breath on it.
Five years after the initial release of the platform, it's bloody high time they opened the platform to programming :D
Decent BASIC programming is the very least we can expect from them.
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Yeah, I'll try to keep my cool, but it is still nice to know that they are open to doing something that benefits the community (which of course--as you mentioned and I am sure they know--will benefit them).
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I think that some people at TI do know that openness will benefit everyone :)
But I also know for a fact that 3 or 4 years ago (i.e. before the signing keys' factorization), Herb Foster did consider open development as a threat to TI's business, much more than as an opportunity to increase sales.
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We will make our back to school 2011 new product announcements soon.
Oooooohh!
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Who knows, maybe TI is impressed at what has been done to their calculators and they recognise how many people have become interested in the calcs for the programming. I know I use my calc about half the time just for meaningless programming and the other half to actually make programs that let me explore number patterns and algorithms.
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I think that something very *VERY* exciting is going to happen. So wait.. lemme get this straight, that post at UTI was from a TI staff? :O
edit: I still have in mind of what critor had mentioned.. :P (well at least the part about 3D graphing but that's about it)
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The thing is, BASIC on an Nspire would be soo fast, it would probably compare to a non-15mHz asm program on the 84+.
But if they officially support C I'm gettering the nspire CAS :)
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heh.. I don't think that it will be C directly, it will probably be like an IDE or something like that.. That's my guess though.
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good guess though :thumbsup:
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It is likely that they allow C but not Assembly. They allow C on the TI-89 too.
Oh but wait, they allow Assembly most of their other calculators too xD
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well they allow C on the ti-89 but I think it was made by a thrid party group.
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yeah.. most likely.... grr I dunno, since its not just asm is it.. hmm hard to tell
Soon enough we'll know :)
although.. I still wonder when their 'back to school' or whatever info will be released since foster did mention 'last week' today
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Who knows, maybe TI is impressed at what has been done to their calculators and they recognise how many people have become interested in the calcs for the programming. I know I use my calc about half the time just for meaningless programming and the other half to actually make programs that let me explore number patterns and algorithms.
We can only hope.
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I saw the letter response on UTI. Someone should probably mention in the news that TI might possibly add new programming capabilities and a link to the UTI thread, but to not speculate because they could maybe just be trying to attract new customers from forums like this, only to not put in new programming capabilities (or make a paid SDK) in it.
This could be a response to the Prizm, but again it could just be a lure.
I hope at least they add commands like getkey, Line() and the like and that it's faster than on the Prizm.
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I've been meaning to ask, what's SDK?
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Software development Kit.
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I hope they put extermal memory(SD card) support
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I hope they put extermal memory(SD card) support
That would be awesome.
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hmm.. I doubt that. If anything related to memory, it'd be an increase internally i'd say. That's my opinion.
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They should have a sound support(at least, 2.5mm port at nspire itself, not TI-84 keypad)
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BTW regarding C, C is essentially Asm after it's compiled. There is as little difference as to an Axe prog once compiled. The only way you could tell would be by looking at the source code. Ther is no way to allow C and prevent Asm, and no reason to either.
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but if they have a C compiler already, it saves us time of making one from scratch
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We dont need to make one, we have gcc :) of course, we could use theirs to build gcc :P I wouldn't trust them to make a bug free hello world, personally.
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oh yeah, doesn't GCC support tons of different processors and stuff :P
forgot about that ;)
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Yep, even the 89s C was named GCC4TI
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so umm.. I wonder though why is it that your teacher can't tell us anything other than what is already said until after 'winter break'. Also what is the time frame for the mentioned 'winter break' that we are waiting to get through?
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The Texas Instruments T^3 Conference is being held from February 25-27. I would say it is a safe bet that this "groundbreaking" Nspire update will be released during this time frame or very close to it.
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oh ok. Well it wont be long now anyhow either way :)
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That said, I wonder if TI will eventually release a TI-Nspire memory expansion pack. Maybe they're making OSes large purposely to eventually make people buy more Flash. :P
Where would the memory go?
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Hey! Hey! Hey! Gues what?! Check this out!!!!
http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9649&pid=143381&st=0&#entry143381
So apparently a few weeks ago NETWizz over on UTI emailed TI-Cares and finally a letter was received... Check it out!
But it doesn't answer the question... It does however seem to have a more positive spin to the speculation!
I bet he gets fired :P j/k
wow, that is amazing, TEIM TO BUG THE FRACK OUTTA MY TEACHER!
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That said, I wonder if TI will eventually release a TI-Nspire memory expansion pack. Maybe they're making OSes large purposely to eventually make people buy more Flash. :P
Where would the memory go?
It would be cool if they made an adapter for the bottom port that allows connecting an SD card :D
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hehe.. good luck qazz! :)
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That said, I wonder if TI will eventually release a TI-Nspire memory expansion pack. Maybe they're making OSes large purposely to eventually make people buy more Flash. :P
Where would the memory go?
It would be cool if they made an adapter for the bottom port that allows connecting an SD card :D
It would be the sd interface, with a proprietary form factor, no doubt. Kinda like what nintendo did with gamecube memory cards.
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qazz, any luck with your teacher at all?
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Great, this might be all good news, but TI has to do this. because the prizm came out they know they have to get down to business or Casio will take over and get all the spotlight. but worst of all.
1. Just dump the current TI-nspires. Stop supporting them, or just say modestly, it's an OK OS, don't need to improve much, our [TI's] focus is on this new calc in development. Great. (if you didn't get that i was saying it from TI's perspective)
2. and the price? can TI really charge $200 for it?
Well i think qazz42's teacher was just expecting more from the ti-nspire, not nearly as easy to use as the 84, my maths teacher says, that i have to tutor the whole class into how to calculate sigma.
But that's all my opinion
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Yeah but I doubt they would make a new calc so soon. I am more thinking about improvements on the OS, but I am not confident they'll add that many programming capabilities, especially if hobbyists are a minority of their buyers. I think maybe they could be forced to drop their prices a little bit if the Prizm ever gets popular, though.
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Yeah but I doubt they would make a new calc so soon. I am more thinking about improvements on the OS, but I am not confident they'll add that many programming capabilities, especially if hobbyists are a minority of their buyers. I think maybe they could be forced to drop their prices a little bit if the Prizm ever gets popular, though.
Strategy:
1. Hack the Prizm fully
2. Use that knowledge to develop dozens of great Prizm games
3. Showcase Prizm games to friends
4. Friends buy Prizms
5. TI realizes that they are losing customers and therefore makes a better OS
6. Casio and TI compete for the best calc in which the winner is neither TI or Casio, but us calc enthusiasts
7. Project Paradise calc destroys all of the competition
8. calc programmers take over the world :evillaugh:
I think I started to get a little overly ambitious at some point :P
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Yeah but I doubt they would make a new calc so soon.
Considering how faulty TI's logic seems to be, I wouldn't put it past them to do that....
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it took them since like what.. 2004 to develop the Nspire though?
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the touchpad, though....
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well, 5 years since Nspire, the Nspire was made 3 years after the Ti89t and the 84+(& SE)
so it might be a new calc and Nspire will just go down in history as a failure
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or maybe its an extra token.....asm()/me drools
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Something I wonder is if the thing they'll announce at T3 won't just be that cellphone/smartphone/mobile I saw on TI-BANK: http://tibank.forumactif.com/t6648-off-topic-ti-mobile
It wouldn't be school-related, but we never know with TI. If they're just planning to announce that, then those who thought about a new calc with more functions will probably be disappointed. X.x
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well, 5 years since Nspire, the Nspire was made 3 years after the Ti89t and the 84+(& SE)
so it might be a new calc and Nspire will just go down in history as a failure
I don't think anyone will be complaining if they come out with something with a processor like the Nspire and a screen like the Prizm (or a prizm-Classpad hybrid).
In all honesty, I'm sticking by my earlier assertion of a Rickroll.
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What about the rickroll? ???
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TI will include a new token whose only function is to use up important memory areas and textroll people.
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Lol <.<
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You still haven't found out?
TI is going to release a new TI-Nspire device, the TI-Nspire CX Navigator:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=961
Which means, they are going to release new TI-Nspire calculators, the TI-Nspire CX:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=962
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oh.. dear... IT BETTER BE FUCKING GOOD
The TI-Nspire CX will have a full color screen, and standard Wifi 802.11g connectivity through the optional device.
Just check:
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=962
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wtflol.
Let's hope this is actually something decent, and not just more useless stuff from TI :P
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/me jizzes
Nspire 3D graphing touchpad with full color screen and WIFI!!! :O:O:O:O what else do ya want? :P
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Can't wait for the calculator with wifi
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I for one would like to play gameboy games in full color.
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I wonder if TI's gonna make it actually programmable, though.
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So the selling point of this will be the color screen and 3d graphing?
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Probably. That's what was missing from the Nspire (from a math teacher's POV).
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I'm concerned that TI may not include 3d graphing in an os update to the older nspire's. 3d graphing integrated into the os would be cool.
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(http://ti.bank.free.fr/images/cas_cx.png)
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THAT is awesome. Thought it was going to be clamshell, though?
I love corporate competition. Leads to beautiful products. Hurrah for capitalism! :D
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Mmmmmm... looks kind... sexy! ;D
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yay capitalism :w00t:
anyways, that is just beautiful, I hope there is some way to program assembly on it with no haxes
if so, I'm buying one, instead of prizm.
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I love corporate competition. Leads to beautiful products. Hurrah for capitalism! :D
Lol, that's the best part of capitalism. Now the question is, which is easier to break and which is better.
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Hey, and guess what, TI announced that Nspire OS 3.0 is going to have OS 2.56 MP installed. But that is nothing compared to this...
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No shocker there...
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True.
And once this gets leaked out, no one's gonna bother.
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This is awesome. I really hope it's easy to program ASM on it and that they add decent BASIC commands too.
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BTW, Nspire is slightly faster, and has a more common processor arch. than Prizm. It also has a higher resolution screen. Therefore, the actual hardware specs of the nspire are better than the prizms, once the color screen comes out.
The prizm is cheaper though, and is already out with decent BASIC.
Graagh os 2.56 MP?!?!?!?!?!
Also, I retain my previous statement regarding compatibility :P the keypad is even the same layout as the touch, just more square (just like the 84+ keypad :P)
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One thing to keep in mind too is the price. TI always sold their calcs for much higher than competitors because of their monopoly.