Jeez, this is messed up. We all program for free, we devote our time and energy and thought to a project that is much larger than any site on calculator programming that exists. Why are there programmers out there that would act that way. In order to further the development of programming skills and ability, we need to collaborate. This is ridiculous and it is not called for. I have only checked out the site a few times (back when I was a BASIC programmer) and I know there is intelligence there, so is it all devoted to the programming and none to humanity?
That is a valid point. But the problem is re-occurrence. It happens all the time.
And I do not like the sound of censorship. Anybody else? That is not something I agree with, so I am glad we know some of the possible obstacles in our way. We need to collaborate and combine our knowledge and we need to know what can disrupt that path. I am very glad this topic was added and I plan to join Cemtech soon.
We're not trying to say Cemetech sucks, we're just saying that we don't appreciate them saying that we suck so often. Even KermM bitches and whines about how he thinks Omnimaga sucks.Now is not the time to get angry. Now is the time to use our brains and resolve conflict. I am disappointed and a little irritated as well, but we will need to be calm in order to look at what is happening through a lens as unbiased as possible.
Also, PMing their admins wouldn't resolve anything, you'd be promptly ignored.
If you have suggestions to improve Cemetech, you should post them in his website sub-forum.I did. The only reason it is posted here is in case it is censored or deleted.
Like I said, we have a hard enough time fighting TI without our little internal conflicts.
Can't we all just get along?You cannot fully comprehend how much I wish it was so.
The only real fight with TI is on the Nspire. TI already knows that the community has broken the 83+ series and they've pretty much given up on it.Be that as it may, if they have already lost, then why do they insist on holding onto vital documentation?
Can't we all just get along?this.
The only real fight with TI is on the Nspire. TI already knows that the community has broken the 83+ series and they've pretty much given up on it.Be that as it may, if they have already lost, then why do they insist on holding onto vital documentation?
Personally, I rated down the post, because I and others have brought up problems from other sites on here or vice-versa in the past, and it only caused more problems than it should. Such matter should be discussed with the admin concerned, or the admin should discuss them with you, like I do everytime there is an issue between an Omni member and myself/my site.I made a more lengthy response on Cemetech but I feel DJ has summed up exactly what I was thinking. The only issue I have seen people on Cemetech have with Omnimaga is the drama that seems to stem from it, whether that opinion is justified or not. IMO there are other things that usually cause the drama in the community and it is a shame the Omnimaga seems to often get caught in the thick of it even though they are not the cause. I for one feel that terms like Omnidrama and similar are not acceptable in any community calculators or otherwise and while I have not seen that term used if I do I feel the first mod/admin to encounter such words should take care of it as they see fit in accordance with their respective sites rules.
I disagree that the rant should have been deleted, I think it would be fine since it would clarify things, but it is Kerm's website: He has the right to decide what is allowed and what's not, and you can do nothing about it. The only thing you can do is if something wrong occurs on Omnimaga directly. It's like if someone complains that we're too strict on rude comments: Omnimaga is our site and we reserve the right to punish people who are unnecessarly rude to others. Cemetech is not Omnimaga and Omnimaga is not Cemetech. It's Kerm decision run run Cemetech how he does. I tried convincing every admin of other sites to disallow rude comments before and it gave me a bad reputation for a while, because they are not my site and admins there can run them how they want.
That said, I do not know what happens behind the scenes and I effectively saw words "omnidrama" or "omninoobs" before, but we can do nothing about it. If people notice bad things said against Omnimaga, it's up to them to decide if they mind it or not and if they want to stay or leave. If you have suggestions to improve Cemetech, you should post them in his website sub-forum. If they get censored, then at least you will have tried to post them at the right place.
I'm leaving this topic intact and open, but if it turns into an Cemetech bashing thread or an inter community dispute, I will lock it and take the usual action against those who participated. Let's learn from the community past mistakes that nearly caused its death, shall we?
Also one thing to clarify:That is true, however, I was merely expressing my opinion on the matter.
When you arrive on a site: there's no such thing as the first ammendmnent. It's not protected by it. You can say what you want, but the admins are free to censor anything they want or punish people for whatever reason they want. The only thing you can do is if you are not satisfied with that, you need to start your own forum.
Qwerty: It's pretty convoluted, and we don't fully understand it. This (http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=83Plus:OS:84_Plus_USB_Information) page sums up our knowledge quite nicely.But there is a difference between saying, "Our Problem with your site" and constructive criticism. Its not what you mean to say but how you said it that is part of the issue.
Jonimus and ACagliano, fair enough.Also one thing to clarify:That is true, however, I was merely expressing my opinion on the matter.
When you arrive on a site: there's no such thing as the first ammendmnent. It's not protected by it. You can say what you want, but the admins are free to censor anything they want or punish people for whatever reason they want. The only thing you can do is if you are not satisfied with that, you need to start your own forum.
Qwerty: It's pretty convoluted, and we don't fully understand it. This (http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=83Plus:OS:84_Plus_USB_Information) page sums up our knowledge quite nicely.
Hm, that page looks like the documentation on the last pneumatic system I designed: vastly overcomplicated. Couldn't they have used standard networking protocols?Can we find a more appropriate medium to discuss this than this topic?
The title of the post was a last minute decision, I could not for the life of me think of a good title. It is the least important part. Omnimaga is not attacking Cemetech with this post.But you continued that tone throughout the post, that was my point, the topic was just an example.
Yeah I think that's the issue. SirCmpwn expressed his opinion, commenting on the site and what should be improved, but it was done in a way that sounds like an attack on the site.Qwerty: It's pretty convoluted, and we don't fully understand it. This (http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=83Plus:OS:84_Plus_USB_Information) page sums up our knowledge quite nicely.But there is a difference between saying, "Our Problem with your site" and constructive criticism. Its not what you mean to say but how you said it that is part of the issue.
Jonimus and ACagliano, fair enough.Also one thing to clarify:That is true, however, I was merely expressing my opinion on the matter.
When you arrive on a site: there's no such thing as the first ammendmnent. It's not protected by it. You can say what you want, but the admins are free to censor anything they want or punish people for whatever reason they want. The only thing you can do is if you are not satisfied with that, you need to start your own forum.
tl;dr: Kerm and DJ: Get your shit together and get along. You can't change forums. So, stop trying to change each other's.
tl;dr: Kerm and DJ: Get your shit together and get along. You can't change forums. So, stop trying to change each other's.I agree, but it is not just a problem between the two of them.
Quote from: ACagliano@ nemo: If you were new to programming of any form and posted a question, would you rather be hit with a link, or given a personalized explanation?The issue is that much of programming is learning how to solve problems not have others solve them for you. Eventually you will have to learn how to find answers yourself and users do eventually burn out from helping the new programmers day in and day out in place of getting their own work done.
That thing was solved 3 months ago, anyway.tl;dr: Kerm and DJ: Get your shit together and get along. You can't change forums. So, stop trying to change each other's.I agree, but it is not just a problem between the two of them.
Hey, we like new groups inside the community.
I think that locking it is the wrong choice. People should be able to reply.
And i don't think there is any issue with this being locked. Any objections?Objection. That would defeat the entire purpose of this post.
And i don't think there is any issue with this being locked. Any objections?Objection. That would defeat the entire purpose of this post.
Which post? ???
Do you mean SirCmpwn's post that was purposely intended to discuss about the purpose of this topic, defeating its purpose?
Personally, I rated down the post, because I and others have brought up problems from other sites on here or vice-versa in the past, and it only caused more problems than it should. Such matter should be discussed with the admin concerned, or the admin should discuss them with you, like I do everytime there is an issue between an Omni member and myself/my site.
I disagree that the rant should have been deleted, I think it would be fine since it would clarify things, but it is Kerm's website: He has the right to decide what is allowed and what's not, and you can do nothing about it. The only thing you can do is if something wrong occurs on Omnimaga directly. It's like if someone complains that we're too strict on rude comments: Omnimaga is our site and we reserve the right to punish people who are unnecessarly rude to others. Cemetech is not Omnimaga and Omnimaga is not Cemetech. It's Kerm decision run run Cemetech how he does. I tried convincing every admin of other sites to disallow rude comments before and it gave me a bad reputation for a while, because they are not my site and admins there can run them how they want.
That said, I do not know what happens behind the scenes and I effectively saw words "omnidrama" or "omninoobs" before, but we can do nothing about it. If people notice bad things said against Omnimaga, it's up to them to decide if they mind it or not and if they want to stay or leave. If you have suggestions to improve Cemetech, you should post them in his website sub-forum. If they get censored, then at least you will have tried to post them at the right place.
I'm leaving this topic intact and open, but if it turns into an Cemetech bashing thread or an inter community dispute, I will lock it and take the usual action against those who participated. Let's learn from the community past mistakes that nearly caused its death, shall we?
I've only just started frequenting Cemetech, so I'm not sure if what I have to say is correct.
It seems to me that Cemetech has a higher expectation of competence on its newcomers?
It also seems to met that Omnimaga has a higher expectation on its senior members to help new ones?
(lol, it'd be funny if there's a conservative vs liberal mindset conflict here. But the last thing we need is to inject politics into this, so I digress...)
I think both perspectives are valid. If Cemetech's higher focus on independence perhaps leads to harsher comments, so be it. There are benefits and downfalls to every single point of view, and people are free to frequent whichever forum they wish. But the one thing we don't need to do is bash each other, or try to turn either forum into a clone of the other. Some diversity is good.
Jeez, Scout, what is happening to your respect? I think someone's out to get you.
That said, it was solved a few days ago anyway, so no need to dwell on the issue. Omnimaga is Omnimaga. Cemetech is Cemetech. Plus a lot of members from those sites visits both, anyway, which proves that both are good in some ways.
As for the respect issue, I spotted a person that abused the rating system and he has been warned. If he continues he'll be banned for vandalism.
That said, it was solved a few days ago anyway, so no need to dwell on the issue. Omnimaga is Omnimaga. Cemetech is Cemetech. Plus a lot of members from those sites visits both, anyway, which proves that both are good in some ways.
As for the respect issue, I spotted a person that abused the rating system and he has been warned. If he continues he'll be banned for vandalism.
+1 (in french: je plussoie ;D)
I visit this site too, but only for SourceCoder until I get my calc back ;D