-It seems many Nspire coders abandonned the fight against TI, and Ndless 3.1 did not create as much interest as 2.0 did. Don't give up! You know some people still code for 68K and AFX calcs, right? Also if you are really afraid of the Nspire being blocked permanently, maybe it would be a good idea to try doing what Reo did with his RPG: Make it for both the PRIZM and Nspire at once? Maybe Reo could share how he works on a C game on both the PRIZM and Nspire at once.Heh, that's the peanut gallery you're referring to. ;) Personally, I kinda find it funny - they just made a breakthrough with overclocking, but the Ndless scene has already done that. :P
Yeah but I mean some people fear that TI will eventually manage to permanently lock the Nspire, with no way to make Ndless work anymore on it, or locking down Ndless for 3 extra years like before, and some people probably don't find it worth it anymore to bother coding in ASM/C for the Nspire as a result, since eventually their audience would shrink as low as the TI-86. There's even a post from Chockosta where he stated he was considering quitting Nspire development because of TI's action. Also to run nSDL and bFLT you need Ndless, right? If Ndless was to be killed for good by TI, then we would never be able to use nSDL/bFLT again. THat said I still think people should not give up, though.I guess you are right in a sense that we are always fearful of TI. With the next update, it will be hard to choose. :/
Yeah. Also there's Lua, but many people find it too slow to perform any advanced stuff. As for OS updates, sadly the issue is that retail store calcs will eventually all come pre-installed with OS 3.2 and a lot of teachers force students to upgrade. :/I think you're mistaken. Or at least don't understand everything going on. (nothing bad intended towards you)
In the worst case scenario, I expect 90% of the Nspire scene to be european developers in a few years (since in Europe teachers do not have full control of what students do with their calc).Maybe I haven't understood correctly, but how is that bad ?
- While you can think 3.2 is blocking ndless (it will most probably do), there will probably be flaws like in every other OSes, so don't worry too much I guess :)
TI has again defeated Ndless and it is not a coincidence that interest in programming their calc's has fallen off drastically. They got what they wanted. Except it and move on. We cannot go back to a previous era that no longer exists. Again, we can not go back to a previous era that no longer exists.So I guess we should dispose of our calculators now, close down all the calculator related forums, and move on to tinkering with iOS and Android devices? :P
TI has again defeated NdlessWe have no proof that ExtendeD can't go through OS 3.2 ;)
If it was easy enough to code in Native (as much as in Lua with the SDK, for example), there would be a heck of a lot more people involved, and thus, the community would be way more active, including here at Omnimaga, but also at TI-Planet etc.TI is boneheaded about limiting the functionality of their calculators (and screwing with basic user rights of doing whatever they see fit with the hardware they own), instead of taking advantage of the possibilities of native code, and their resulting attempts to "protect" themselves, is a very powerful deterrent for the open development communities. That's why even a much improved SDK would hardly help people getting involved...
You're too pessimistic here ;-)Not so sure, because the fact is that hardly anybody gives a damn about the Nspire platform...
Just wait & see !We'll probably see, indeed, because there always are holes. But even more than Ndless, I can't wait to see TI's dangerous strategy backfiring :)
Not so sure, because the fact is that hardly anybody gives a damn about the Nspire platform...It's not just that nobody gives a damn its also that some people who do have no idea what they could do to help. If there was something I could do to help I gladly would but I doubt I know anywhere near enough to be able to help. If you guys working on the development team tell me something I could do I would gladly help. I like ndless and would love for it to not be stopped because TI is too boneheaded to realize we arent trying to do anything bad.
Did anybody do for the Nspire what was done for quite a number of closed platforms (starting with gaming consoles), i.e. port Linux mere weeks after the release of arbitrary code execution on the platform ? No, and more than two years later, we're not remotely close to that state.
Do we have a chain of ready to use exploits, and wait for TI to close the hole of the day to release a new version, by a dozen days (often two or three days) after the release ? Not at all.
Do we have a usable graphical library (a need which was identified from the beginning) ? Several weeks ago, the answer was "no".
Do we have a program loader with relocation support (another need identified a couple years ago) ? Again, the answer used to be "no" until very recently.
This list could go on. And yes, I'm criticizing myself (as being part of a community that does a relatively bad job, compared to a number of other communities throughout the history of computing), even if I tried to do something about the math stuff, the document system, the program loader, the graphical library, etc.
Why is it that hardly anybody cares about the Nspire platform ? I don't know, but it's a fact. Another fact is that TI is (relatively) safe is a consequence of the fact we (collectively) are not trying (yet), rather than being a consequence of the fact they're making a decent job protecting their platform...
Sorry but no. In our cases, since we're mostly geeky people, if we want to program in ndless, we'll go through the necessary steps to make the toolchain work etc.QuoteIf it was easy enough to code in Native (as much as in Lua with the SDK, for example), there would be a heck of a lot more people involved, and thus, the community would be way more active, including here at Omnimaga, but also at TI-Planet etc.TI is boneheaded about limiting the functionality of their calculators (and screwing with basic user rights of doing whatever they see fit with the hardware they own), instead of taking advantage of the possibilities of native code, and their resulting attempts to "protect" themselves, is a very powerful deterrent for the open development communities. That's why even a much improved SDK would hardly help people getting involved...
Well, if you think that way, why even bother continue talking ? :oQuoteYou're too pessimistic here ;-)Not so sure, because the fact is that hardly anybody gives a damn about the Nspire platform...
Did anybody do for the Nspire what was done for quite a number of closed platforms (starting with gaming consoles), i.e. port Linux mere weeks after the release of arbitrary code execution on the platform ? No, and more than two years later, we're not remotely close to that state.I know all that, and as a geeky-tinkering end user, I'm sad it's the case. But we can't do much about it.
Do we have a chain of ready to use exploits, and wait for TI to close the hole of the day to release a new version, by a dozen days (often two or three days) after the release ? Not at all.
Do we have a usable graphical library (a need which was identified from the beginning) ? Several weeks ago, the answer was "no".
Do we have a program loader with relocation support (another need identified a couple years ago) ? Again, the answer used to be "no" until very recently.
This list could go on. And yes, I'm criticizing myself (as being part of a community that does a relatively bad job, compared to a number of other communities throughout the history of computing), even if I tried to do something about the math stuff, the document system, the program loader, the graphical library, etc.
Why is it that hardly anybody cares about the Nspire platform ? I don't know, but it's a fact. Another fact is that TI is (relatively) safe is a consequence of the fact we (collectively) are not trying (yet), rather than being a consequence of the fact they're making a decent job protecting their platform...
Well, I talked about that up there and while I may agree on some of what you say and disagree on some others, I still don't see the point of releasing tools that could only lead to an even worse situation. Again, we are a small community trying to get great things done, so in any way, our acts won't probably have an impact on 0.1% of the worldwide Nspire Users (students who are given calcs for their studies and who only use it for their purpose : math/science), so why bother taking so much time and effort to just annoy TI ? As you say yourself, most of this community's members are not affected by PTT or stuff like this : so why fight it when we are not having to deal with it ? (This is just an example, btw, not necessarily the truth so far, idk). About the CAS-on-NONCAS thing, while this is inevitably a thought everybody had as soon as the first Nspires came out, it will again be addressed at 0.001% of the users, since most of them won't want to "take a risk" or whatever. This, we can't control...QuoteJust wait & see !We'll probably see, indeed, because there always are holes. But even more than Ndless, I can't wait to see TI's dangerous strategy backfiring :)
It's not like they weren't warned about the potential consequences of their incompetence. The gloves have long been off, and so far, the only thing that saved them from facing the consequences of the infuriating war they've been waging against users for five years, is that nobody got over their moral bounds. But sooner rather than later, as I predicted, people are going to become interested in destructive matters (the most damaging attack venues are public knowledge)... and TI will lose, just like Sony lost, to the resent and hatred they created (and also to the false promises incompetent people at TI made to incompetent people at standardizes test regulation authorities - trying to prevent native code is in no way a requirement for certification, it's only willful and lucrative collaboration with the authorities - en français, collaborationnisme). And yet, they were warned in advance, but willfully chose not to take that into account. Their loss.
OSLauncher was perfectly harmless (and yet, it freaked out TI and the woefully incompetent standardized test regulation authorities); '2012 stuff is unlikely to be as gentle as '2010 and '2011 stuff...
One thing is sure, Adriweb: you'll have to take sides at some point. Either TI, or the open development community - but not both, because TI's actions are making them exclusive.Well, so far, choosing both (or actually not chosing any side more than the other) worked pretty well : I work closely with TI with the Lua things, and I really enjoy participating in the native dev effort (but since I'm rather limited in Ndless C/(let's not even talk about ASM), although I can't do much other than testing alpha-versions of risky tools :P which I gladly do for the sake of going forward in native dev.).
Yeah but I mean for example on the 83+ you got a slow but easy to code language, along with a fast but harder to startup with (and hard to code when it comes for certain type of games and stuff like math softwares). On the Nspire, you got something in the middle, probably more on the easy/slower side by default. Basically you got less freedom by default and there is always a possibility (the worst case scenario) that ASM/C might never be possible again on the Nspire. If that ever happened (I doubt it will and if it does, eventually a later OS might re-open a hole allowing Ndless to run again), then you still got a nice language called Lua, but the issue is that many members visit us for programs like emulators and Doom. Let's say for example that the best mario clone that could ever be made in Lua has 10 keypresses per second maximum and a framerate of 20 FPS (which looks like 10 cuz of the slow getkey). I'm pretty sure this won't be a huge "seller" like SMB3 on NESpire, simply because it isn't as good gameplay-wise as a real Mario game or even Sam Heald's. Basically, what I am saying is that we will attract much less new members and visitors with Lua than we did with Ndless. Thankfully TI has made Lua easy to get started with, so that already helps us a lot. I just mean without Ndless this could still hurt us despite the presence of Lua, and without Ndless, eventually people will have pushed Lua to the limits and run out of ideas for new innovative Nspire games.Yeah. Also there's Lua, but many people find it too slow to perform any advanced stuff. As for OS updates, sadly the issue is that retail store calcs will eventually all come pre-installed with OS 3.2 and a lot of teachers force students to upgrade. :/I think you're mistaken. Or at least don't understand everything going on. (nothing bad intended towards you)
Of course C/Asm is faster. We know that, we get it.
But you can do great things with Lua. Just look at awesome stuff already out even before Physics is out and before the official SDK is out.
Can you imagine how even better Lua scripts are going to be when all that is released ?
Compared to what the Nspire always had (crappy Basic), Lua scripting is infinitely better.
Another thing to note : Everybody knows that Basic is slower than native. Look at popular z80 and 68k calcs. Count how many BASIC programs there are out there. Do you think they are all crappy because it is "too slow to perform any advanced stuff". No.
So, what we have right here: a "limited" basic, but making incredible things thanks to everybody in the community.
Now, Lua on the Nspire allows us to make 9001* better things that what z80 and 68k Basic could allow us to do.
So please, stop writing again and again that Lua is so slow we can't do a thing with it. (this is not necessarily to you but to everybody in general, I mean).
And also, while you may want to compare raw computation speed, you will compare things with criteria that won't be fair for both the compared languages. For example :
You can't make a NES Emulator in Lua. You can in native. Native Wins.
You can't make a GBC Emulator in Lua. You can in native. Native Wins.
You can't process xxxx computations per second in Lua. Native Wins.
You can't access USB over Lua. Native Wins.
Clearly, Native wins right ? Lua is crappy right ?
Now let's take this point of view :
Nspire Lua is easy to code in. Start up TINCS and open the Lua SDK. It's a mess with Native. Lua wins.
Lua can access the math engine. (with CAS if device is CAS). Native can't. Lua wins.
Lua can interact with the already existing variables and widgets. Native can't. Lua wins.
Lua is supported by TI and whenever the SDK is out, so it will have an even bigger community. Native isn't/won't (as much). Lua wins.
Clearly, Lua wins right ? Native is crappy right ?
As you can see, you (or any other) can't just claim that "it's too slow". For many things, Lua's better than Native. And for a lot of things I'm pretty sure it will stay that way. Except if TI radically changes its ideas and publishes some Native Resources Toolkit or whatever, but I don't see that coming soon...
Also, some other things :
- I think the community needs to make some kind of all-in-one-included Native SDK, where you could just select the target device, and everything would be so you just have to code your thing, and it would compile with the latest ndless toolkit available (or the one you want if you want to override that), etc. so that people who aren't really geeky enough to setup properly their toolchain onto their system (or just dont want to mess with it too much, or for any other reason), could finally be able to program in C for their device ! If it was easy enough to code in Native (as much as in Lua with the SDK, for example), there would be a heck of a lot more people involved, and thus, the community would be way more active, including here at Omnimaga, but also at TI-Planet etc.
- While you can think 3.2 is blocking ndless (it will most probably do), there will probably be flaws like in every other OSes, so don't worry too much I guess :)
You effectively misunderstood, by far. I stated this because in United States of America, most schools force students to upgrade their TI-Nspire calculator to the latest OS in order to be allowed to use them. This is not the case in Europe. I was saying 90% in reference to how almost everyone in USA would no longer have access to Ndless in the worst case scenario.In the worst case scenario, I expect 90% of the Nspire scene to be european developers in a few years (since in Europe teachers do not have full control of what students do with their calc).Maybe I haven't understood correctly, but how is that bad ?
I mean, 90% of the "underground" scene is European ?
on the Nspire, 3.2 does also mean Lua physics stuff, so even more content...
And that could be from anywhere in the world :)
- TI isn't that evil either. I recently asked them why they removed/disabled the print command in Lua. They reason was not to annoy us, and now there is a very big chance that it will return in the OS after 3.2.Basically it might just have been a mistake?
However, I heavily suggest developing simultaneously on the PRIZM too, to give TI more competition by trying to attract PRIZM users.
Tossing my two cents.Hmm I can't remember whether it gets saved or not, though I like this theme. I understand what hoffa is saying though, as possibly it is a little heavy and people glancing over your shoulder will immediately be attracted to the heavy blue hues of Omnimaga.
I'm a relatively new guy in the calculator community, but I've read and experienced enough of TI's actions to not give the slightest damn about morality as far as they're concerned. Sucking TI's big corporate dick hoping they'll change their ways is ridiculous (does not apply to people like adriweb who have contacts), they won't change for an insignificant minority, that's how business works (and I fully understand them), deal with it.
Let's be honest, if I had a non-CAS calculator, I'd work on getting a CAS OS installed on it, would spare me a few bucks. If it was possible to control the LEDs, I'd probably write a PTT simulator just for the heck of it (not sure if I'd cheat with it though, it's not like I can't walk to class with PTT already activated, documents stuffed on it and pretend I just put it on). It would be a nice big "fuck you" to TI, and through my cynical eyes I'd probably enjoy the eventual aftermath. Either you bend down and adapt, or then you go against the flow, relish the advantages, and deal with the consequences.
In other news, I think changing the theme to a lighter, more modern and less "intimidating" one would encourage others to participate (no offence to whoever made the theme, just my view). I'm pretty positive there's a great deal of psychology involved, and many might have the tendency to go away or just quickly pass by if it looks too much like a concentration camp of weird and sweaty basement dwellers (yeah, you'll have to get used with my way of expressing myself). Think what you think, but that was what made me doubtful before I joined the party.
Although on the other hand, developing simultaneously for both the PRIZM and Nspire like Reo is doing gives you a larger audience for your programs (or reduces the effects of a permanent Ndless lockup on your audience)However, I heavily suggest developing simultaneously on the PRIZM too, to give TI more competition by trying to attract PRIZM users.
What needs to be understood, is that we (the TI-Nspire community mainly) are minor minority. TI does not give a damn about us, that's the harsh reality of things but it's at the same time something very normal and comprehensible. TI's a massive corporation, and we're just surface dust next to shareholders. As I said earlier, that's how business works, that's how you keep the cash flowing. There might be some patting going on and fairy tale ideals floating in the air, but we have to be realistic: unless we are the ones to strike, we will have no effect, nada. We're just not enough for passive actions to have any kind of noticeable effect. Even if every single person on Omnimaga switched to the Prizm, it would only be a lonely, insignificant fart in the Milky Way.
What needs to be understood, is that we (the TI-Nspire community mainly) are minor minority. TI does not give a damn about us, that's the harsh reality of things but it's at the same time something very normal and comprehensible. TI's a massive corporation, and we're just surface dust next to shareholders. As I said earlier, that's how business works, that's how you keep the cash flowing. There might be some patting going on and fairy tale ideals floating in the air, but we have to be realistic: unless we are the ones to strike, we will have no effect, nada. We're just not enough for passive actions to have any kind of noticeable effect. Even if every single person on Omnimaga switched to the Prizm, it would only be a lonely, insignificant fart in the Milky Way.This point exactly. I've been hesistent because... well, a certain community chose to jump to the Prizm for "pissing off TI" or whatever. Won't name any names, you just gotta know. ;) (Actually, I've made this point a few times on that community's IRC, but it's dismissed as nothing to care about...)
Casio has expressed concerns about 3rd party developement before and have no plan for a SDK. They didn't expect add-ins to be made by the community, but they have decided to give us one chance and they won't block them unless we start publishing softwares such as image converters for the american models, tools to cheat in tests and stuff that can permanently damage the calc.That, or the Casio Prizm gets popular and teachers start whining about games and such. :/
Also Alberthro I know Lua isn't like BASIC, I was saying it's kinda like between ASM/C and BASIC. Not too slow and limited, but not offering 100% speed/freedom either. Basically, good enough to make somewhat cool games, but not enough to pull a gbc4nspire in Lua that will draw hundreds of members to Omnimaga, TI-Planet and ticalc.org whenever Ndless is useable on the latest OS. More programming examples and routine examples (such as map engines, collision detection and data management) could possibly improve Lua audience, though, because the language, while being limited, is kinda underused lately.Actually, the focus doesn't necessarily have to be on emulators. Even emulators can be written in an upper-level language (though it will be harder, and the results will be slower). I was thinking about porting Angry Birds, Cut the Ropes, etc. that are already popular in the mobile world! :D Particularly Angry Birds... "Angry Birds ported to TI-Nspire" would certainly elicit an nDoom-like response, if not much bigger. With the new physics engine coming up, it'll be much easier to port those fun little games! ;)
If the only way to make TI "move" is to release "bad" (as from TI's point of view) tools like a PTT Killer or a CAS on non-CAS (or whatever), it could only cause big troubles which could lead to the end of the Npsire "reign" (i.e : it wouldn't be accepted on exams for example, and TI wouldn't sell as much so they might stop produduction).Sorry, TI's fears of seeing the Nspire being booted out of exams is a completely delusional and irrational fear. Locking down the way TI did with the PTT mode is obviously in no way required to get a platform certified for exams - otherwise, the TI-Z80 series and the Prizm wouldn't be certified - so even if the Nspire platform's lockdown were to be tampered with, there would be no consequences. Or ar least, there shouldn't be any... but this requires that the incompetents regulating standardized tests (and making them a fatally flawed scheme in many ways) be rational, and expecting rational behaviour from the incompetents to whom the Nspire was oversold as "secure" by incompetents, might be a bit too much.
Or maybe good games on a calculator is no longer important?Well in my school, a lot of students only have one TI 82-Stats and a lot of others only have one Casio Graph35+. In my class, a few have a 83+, one have a 84+ and one (not counting me) have a 84+ SE. Good games are rare. And I only know two guys who have Nspires in all my school and none of them have Ndless (one didn't know about it and the others don't manage to install it).
...The TI community is not dying but the Ndless community is. Chockosta almost gave up programming because of TI's actions. And Lua will never bring us any GBC emulator.
The TI community is not dying but the Ndless community is. Chockosta almost gave up programming because of TI's actions. And Lua will never bring us any GBC emulator.
The only thing TI wants to avoid is OS launcher so stop updating it and we might have that "freedom to tinker" you keep asking for. And when I say "stop updating it", it is not "stop updating it during 3 weeks and TI will change, the update it", but "stop updating it".
I'm not the developer of OS launcher, and I'm not the one who is constantly asking for "freedom to tinker".I was not talking about you, but "you" in general ;)
I think you might have mixed me with someone else.
As I mentioned above, OSLauncher is perfectly harmless. And there's no valid reason to stop updating this kind of tools: they're perfectly legal.Yes but TI hates us for this.
Their loss :)Quote from: Lionel DebrouxAs I mentioned above, OSLauncher is perfectly harmless. And there's no valid reason to stop updating this kind of tools: they're perfectly legal.Yes but TI hates us for this.
On TI-68k/AMS, TI provided some documentation about the math system, and it was used (and expanded) by some people to actually build native code math programs which can be called from the Home screen (whose equivalent in Nspire documents is a calculator page). I'm both one of the users, and one of the reverse-engineerers expanding third-party knowledge of the CAS ( as I told in the meeting in Paris, even nowadays, see https://github.com/debrouxl/gcc4ti/commits/next ).
And we did math programs in C/ASM precisely because it allowed faster and more powerful math programs, or even things that cannot be done in BASIC, even with built-in functions like part().
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By using functions at a lower level, my C implementation of the Aitken delta^2 algorithm on TI-68k/AMS requires a number of operations close to the element count of in the input list (O(n) complexity), while the original TI-BASIC implementation requires a number of operations proportional to the half of the square of the input element count
(O(n^2) complexity). My C program does about 50 operations for a 50-element list, the TI-BASIC program requires more than 1000 op[eration]s...
But on Nspire/Phoenix, there's no official documentation about the Nspire document system, and it's hard to reverse-engineer by ourselves (which is, by the way, "reverse-engineering for interoperability purposes", exempted from DMCA prosecution), because the Nspire OS is so huge. We don't know how to do _interactive_ programs, where users can enter arbitrary math functions and read/write values in per-document variables.
Sure, I have performed enough reverse-engineering on OS 1.7.2741 to show that the Nspire series' CAS is the same as the TI-68k series' CAS (same data structures, same function names - derived from my own disassembly of AMS 3.10 for 89T, which itself contains many names that were publicly documented by TI and a number of names I made up and have little chance of matching TI's), and to make a non-interactive port of my aforementioned Aitken delta^2 program (with a hard-coded function, so it's useless for practical purposes): http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/437/43727.html .
But I'm not motivated to go further...
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If TI wants more math & science programs (and the faster, more powerful math manipulation which native code can provide), at a minimum, we need to be able to integrate both ways with Calculator screens (similar to what Nspire BASIC libraries can do: take arguments, return values), how to read/write per-document variables, and how to make a native
code program well-formed for the purposes of containing per-document variables (current Ndless programs are not well-formed).
OSLauncher can be blocked in mere seconds if they felt like it.By merely activating the PTT mode, indeed :)
They just don't care, that's all.They do...
(Then again, have we even showed it to them? :P)Well, sure: I did for defending myself, on the tinspire Google group, when I / the community (I don't remember exactly which) was attacked as a result of the release of OSLauncher ;)
What games we write will have no effect on the market. Add to the fact that the majority of textbooks are written for the TI-8x calculators, and there you have it: monopoly. Unfortunately, Casio didn't have a chance from the start.** You would need an antitrust lawsuit to fix things.Indeed, TI's entranched monopoly (a monopoly which the openness of TI-Z80 and TI-68k calculators, and the good usage we community people made out of it, helped establish !! And they're now consistently showing big fat middle fingers to us) is a major part of the problem; but an antitrust lawsuit wouldn't fix it.
Again, I suggest we take the road where iOS jailbreaking has done - "new OS update? Great! Let's hack it again!" The JB community there doesn't even bother to convince Apple.Sure. But the iOS, Wii and whatever similar jailbreaking communities are doing a much better job at near-uninterrupted arbitrary native code execution availability, and about breadth of usage of the platform, than we are doing. Again, I am including myself in the criticism. That's why I wrote above that hardly anybody cares about the Nspire platform :)
Again, I suggest we take the road where iOS jailbreaking has done - "new OS update? Great! Let's hack it again!" The JB community there doesn't even bother to convince Apple.Sure. But the iOS, Wii and whatever similar jailbreaking communities are doing a much better job at near-uninterrupted arbitrary native code execution availability, and about breadth of usage of the platform, than we are doing. Again, I am including myself in the criticism. That's why I wrote above that hardly anybody cares about the Nspire platform :)
@Hoffa, TI (TI-Nspire section) does give a damn about us. They have showed it multiple ways:
- By sending email to all magor TI-Communities
- By contacting several community members, allowing them to beta test stuff
- By listening to multiple of our sugestions
obviously they're going to exploit us as much as possibleThey're not just going to - I don't think I can reveal in what ways, but I know for a fact that they do already attempt to exploit third parties who are willing to let themselves exploited.
I don't think TI hates us ..Also if they hated us, I think they might have secretly tried to make us shut down or even try to sue us whenever we say bad things about them for libel and stuff like that. I wouldn't be surprised, for example, if they even sent us a DMCA notice for our logo (remember that 2010 april fools joke?)
They just don't like it.
1. Nspire calculators just aren't in great general use with students, like I thought they would be, and considering that end spires have been around for over half a decade that simply isn't good news for the future of that product.I'm not going to post any figures or sources, but TI has a huge market and the TI-Nspire has been adopted by numerous schools. They know their way around marketing and business, don't worry.
2. Ti's lock down efforts are working and the latest os may be the death of Ndless. All of which means there is and will be less interest in programming for end spire.Wait and see, your claims aren't based on much.
5. The motivation to program by people at his site is fragile because of the lack of rewards.Rewards? What kind of rewards? I don't know about others, but I certainly do not code for some medal.
My conclusion? There is no future for nspire programming and there may not be a future for EndSpire. So where are the opportunities for the very talented people who post here? What do they tackle next? Where can they make their mark?What's EndSpire? I don't think that many people who code have as motivation pride or something related.
3. A few people have gone over to the dark side and paint a rosey picture of the future for nspire programming which doesn't seem to have any basis in fact and needs to be filtered by reality checks.
So where are the opportunities for the very talented people who post here? What do they tackle next? Where can they make their mark?I guess I'll just remove the gigabytes of data on my server dedicated to doing Ndless programming, shut down my Lua2TNS bots, and buy myself a $105.77 PRIZM. :P
I was just sarcastic because of Dingus comment (acting like I was on the dark side).Can you buy us TI-Nspire CAS? O.O
But yes, we can get paid for some stuff.