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Calculator Community => Other Calculators => Topic started by: qazz42 on July 19, 2010, 03:19:51 pm
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Ok..ok... I contacted ti about the entire nspire 2.1 being non-downgradeable. Here is the response:
Alec,
Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
This is a very good question you have about the TI-Nspire handheld. Once you upgrade your handheld to OS 2.1, you will not be able to re-install any OS before OS 1.7. I regret any inconvenience this may cause you.
Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
http://support.education.ti.com
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
Doug Fincher
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Ok, first of all, I hope your real name is really Alec, not Alex. If TI can't even spell your first name right, it already removes some credibility from their support center x.x
And it seems like a generic response they give to everyone x.x. Similar response to what Critor2000 got on TI-BANK:
http://tibank.forumactif.com/actualites-f25/nouvel-os-21-t5788.htm
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so they don't say why? wow. Can you respond and ask them why?
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Yes my name is Alec, dont worry. I see that they are really not helping and are pretending to be oblivious
Sure I can respond and ask why
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If you haven't realized, TI-Cares is not very helpful :P
I got a similar response when asking them about the possibility of the missing RAM on newer 84+(SE)'s
I might've even been answered by the same guy... :P
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I personally think they'll not even know what to respond ;D
Or maybe they'll find the excuse about bugs or new perhipherals and hide the possibility that it may have been to block Ndless usage
Calcdude: didn't he tell you the calc has 24 KB of RAM too? x.x
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yeah, he did, IIRC. You wonder how much they know about their own product..
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Ok, here was my response
"Ok, I can understand it is not allowed, please tell me why I cant, because I feel mad that this was NOT warned and now I am stuck with OS's I do not like."
I am pretending that I installed it, I didnt really >:)
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This is just TI's generic response (with some variations to be on-topic).
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Indeed. Less "TI-Cares" than "TI-sends-you-a-canned-response-(i.e.-excuse)"
Or maybe "Cares" is short for that? :P j/k
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It is. I asked about the usb packet information once, and they said that it is Proprietary, and therefore cannot tell me.
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0x5, I will attempt to wrangle either a ndless excuse OR a backdoor patch from them
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I seriously doubt you'll get either :P
If you succeed, though, you'll be a hero :)
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Yay, and maby I can finally be accepted in the community!!!!
and mabey get some rights back, I used to be a troll
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*gasp* a troll! ban him from the kingdom!!!
oh, and...
1st! (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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@#!*% I got a response from them on WHY they blocked downgrading
Alec,
Thank you for your reply.
With the latest OS, we have added several new features and functions. Also, running the latest OS ensures you receive the best customer service since this is the OS we recommend to all our customers.
As for why you can't downgrade past OS 1.7, this is something I cannot answer. If you'd like, I can forwarded your inquiry to my Technical Escalations team who work with the TI-Nspire family developers. They may (or may not) be able to get an answer to your inquiry.
Warmest Regards,
Doug Fincher
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That's not a reason, that's an excuse. :P
As for Technical Escalations, as I said on Cemetech, don't expect any good answer.
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Yeah, im not gonna bother
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lol. I e-mailed them asking how to downgrade, seeming like I didn't even know Ndless existed (I asked how to downgrade to 1.3) and they just said it is not possible without supplying any good reason.
Also, they will never respond to your e-mail again, and if they do the response will be similar.
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Woot, nice one apcalc
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I don't see why'd you ever want to email them again anyway :P
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Yeah, given they told the total RAM available for the 84+SE was 24 KB to Calcdude84se, I think e-mailing TI is pretty useless anyway. I doubt they would give you info.
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They respond to out problems like the problems are "features"
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Well of course, TI is not going to say "yeah, we took the ability off, because we didn't want you running unsigned code, so please don't. :)"
I mean, why would they?
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Well of course, TI is not going to say "yeah, we took the ability off, because we didn't want you running unsigned code, so please don't. :)"
I mean, why would they?
Well, considering some of the other things they have done in the past, you never know. ;)
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Hey, so I'm pretty bored so I thought I would try to get some answers out of TI just for kicks, so I figured I would try to see why they removed backwards compatibility. Just a couple questions before I do. What is the difference between the CAS and non-CAS? Which is the operating system for? The whole issue is that you can't downgrade below OS v1.7 right? What operating system is Ndless for?
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I wonder what would happen if you directly asked TI about unsigned code stuff, Ndless or even asking them to send you the signing keys... Is someone enough jackass to call them about that? I'm sure they will forward you one billion times before reaching someone smart enough to understand what you are saying. At least. Then the rest will be unexpected, in the worst case they will send you a DCMA notice or just give you some stupid answer.
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I guess no one will be able to answer or someone will tell you he cannot answer your question
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I wonder what would happen if you directly asked TI about unsigned code stuff, Ndless or even asking them to send you the signing keys... Is someone enough jackass to call them about that? I'm sure they will forward you one billion times before reaching someone smart enough to understand what you are saying. At least. Then the rest will be unexpected, in the worst case they will send you a DCMA notice or just give you some stupid answer.
You know what, I'm actually thinking about doing this. ::)
I don't have an Nspire, but I think it would be interesting if I ask them so bluntly that they would actually have to have someone type out an answer instead of just running their auto-answer program (written completely in TI-BASIC so that you have to wait 2 weeks for a response).
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Just try to make sure to not accidentally too much information to them, though, else it could backfire on the entire community (if they somehow got able to come up with 10x more ways to block 3rd party dev, using your e-mails)
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lol. I e-mailed them asking how to downgrade, seeming like I didn't even know Ndless existed (I asked how to downgrade to 1.3) and they just said it is not possible without supplying any good reason.
Idea: Maybe this means that it is technically possible, and TI's just not telling us how unless we give a "good reason"? Maybe we could come up with a legitimate (i.e., unrelated to Ndless in any way) reason to downgrade, and approach TI with that.
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lol. I e-mailed them asking how to downgrade, seeming like I didn't even know Ndless existed (I asked how to downgrade to 1.3) and they just said it is not possible without supplying any good reason.
Idea: Maybe this means that it is technically possible, and TI's just not telling us how unless we give a "good reason"? Maybe we could come up with a legitimate (i.e., unrelated to Ndless in any way) reason to downgrade, and approach TI with that.
What he meant is that TI didn't give a good reason to why they don't allow downgrades.
I wonder what would happen if you directly asked TI about unsigned code stuff, Ndless or even asking them to send you the signing keys... Is someone enough jackass to call them about that? I'm sure they will forward you one billion times before reaching someone smart enough to understand what you are saying. At least. Then the rest will be unexpected, in the worst case they will send you a DCMA notice or just give you some stupid answer.
You know what, I'm actually thinking about doing this. ::)
I don't have an Nspire, but I think it would be interesting if I ask them so bluntly that they would actually have to have someone type out an answer instead of just running their auto-answer program (written completely in TI-BASIC so that you have to wait 2 weeks for a response).
I suggest you should first post the letter here, so that we can double-check it, in case you let some valuable information slip through.
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That said, maybe TI is reading those posts up here at the very second I am writing this one after all.
Hai Texas Instruments!
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Maybe there are spies here... :o
lol. I e-mailed them asking how to downgrade, seeming like I didn't even know Ndless existed (I asked how to downgrade to 1.3) and they just said it is not possible without supplying any good reason.
Idea: Maybe this means that it is technically possible, and TI's just not telling us how unless we give a "good reason"? Maybe we could come up with a legitimate (i.e., unrelated to Ndless in any way) reason to downgrade, and approach TI with that.
What he meant is that TI didn't give a good reason to why they don't allow downgrades.
I wonder what would happen if you directly asked TI about unsigned code stuff, Ndless or even asking them to send you the signing keys... Is someone enough jackass to call them about that? I'm sure they will forward you one billion times before reaching someone smart enough to understand what you are saying. At least. Then the rest will be unexpected, in the worst case they will send you a DCMA notice or just give you some stupid answer.
You know what, I'm actually thinking about doing this. ::)
I don't have an Nspire, but I think it would be interesting if I ask them so bluntly that they would actually have to have someone type out an answer instead of just running their auto-answer program (written completely in TI-BASIC so that you have to wait 2 weeks for a response).
I suggest you should first post the letter here, so that we can double-check it, in case you let some valuable information slip through.
I meant that the way they replied, maybe they do allow downgrades, but they haven't told anyone how, and they won't unless someone comes up with a legitimate reason.
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I think the 'good reason' statement was intended to say that TI themselves did not tell us why they disabled downgrades.
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Idea: Maybe this means that it is technically possible, and TI's just not telling us how unless we give a "good reason"? Maybe we could come up with a legitimate (i.e., unrelated to Ndless in any way) reason to downgrade, and approach TI with that.
That is exactly what I did. Here is my email:
Hello. I just updated my TI-Nspire to the new OS 2.1 just recently
placed on your website to see the new features. Unfortunatley, my teacher will
not allow me to use any operating system above 1.3 because of added programming
capabilities that can give me an unfair advantage on tests. Usually after
upgrading my OS to check out the new features, I could simply resend the lower
OS version to my TI-Nspire. With this new OS version, when I try to send OS 1.3,
I get an error at the end of the file transfer that says that I can't install
the OS. Could you assist me in installing this older operating system? I will
not be able to use my TI-Nspire in school next year if I do not fix this
problem
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They'll probably tell you to tell your teacher to use press-to-test or whatever it's called. :(
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Nice apcalc. :P
My reason is simple: I like 2.44 better than 2.54. ;D
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Sorry to be so pessimistic, but you can still downgrade to 1.7 (2.48) which doesn't have mathprint.
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Yeah true. It's 1.6 or lower he can no longer use, right? That said, if Ndless 2 was discontinued, people would still need OS 1.1, though, anyway. I hope Ndless never gets discontinued x.x, it would suck if only clickpad Nspire users could play ASM/C games :S
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No, as Brandon said, "ndless2 NEEDS to come out, if geogeo and such dont do it, someone else will.
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Sorry to be so pessimistic, but you can still downgrade to 1.7 (2.48) which doesn't have mathprint.
You can downgrade your TI-Nspire ClickPad to 1.7.
You cannot downgrade your TI-Nspire TouchPad to 1.7, which means you're stuck with 2.54MP.
In fact, OS 2.1 and TouchPads are using the same protection.
There is a minimal OS version in memory, just after boot2 (so out of the maintenance menu formatting zone).
OSes update this value with a higher version, but never with a lower version.
From what I know and what I have tested:
* installing OS 2.1 can update to a 1.7.xxxx minimal version
* while booting OS 2.1, boot2 can update to a 1.7.xxxx minimal version
* after OSes 2.0.0/2.0.1/2.1.0 have been launched, they can update to 2.0.0 if a TouchPad calculator (or keypad?...) is detected
Perhaps other updates of the minimal OS version are triggered too...
It looks complicated to bypass that, yes... (at least 3 checkings/updates of the minimal version: installation time + boot2 time + just after boot)
But be happy as there is one very good news.
If you can break OS 2.1 protection, then you can downgrade TouchPads too.
Just be sure to have a ClickPad keypad by hand, as the TouchPad keypad is not working properly with OSes 1.x, due to a different keymap.
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But lets not forget that much of this needs to be done by asm, for which we need ndless2, so that should be the main priority
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No, as Brandon said, "ndless2 NEEDS to come out, if geogeo and such dont do it, someone else will.
Yeah.
If it wasn't for the possibility of TI having spies on all forums and channels, ExtendeD and geogeo could simply post on all forums including Omni to recruit people to work on Ndless 2. I am sure on UTI and Omni they would get a whole bunch of interest. THe problem, though: we never know if one of those ppl may not start privately e-mailing TI all the Ndless hack infos in our back, while spying on the development. I'm not pointing fingers, but with TI, we must be careful to who precious info is revealed. Heck, don't wonder why so few info about Ndless dev was given, so far.
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But lets not forget that much of this needs to be done by asm, for which we need ndless2, so that should be the main priority
Maybe not. If critor was able to dump the diags software without any version of Ndless on a touchpad Nspire, who knows what is possible...
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God, DJ, your right. Damn, THERE ARE SPYS EVERYWHERE, TRUST NO ONE.
I cant beleive that ti would go that far :/ I guess they really dont want asm, I wonder why.
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There aren't any confirmed spies, we are just being careful.
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I am sure if any spies were confermed, they would be booted XD
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But lets not forget that much of this needs to be done by asm, for which we need ndless2, so that should be the main priority
Maybe not. If critor was able to dump the diags software without any version of Ndless on a touchpad Nspire, who knows what is possible...
I got a frightening bug with the 2.00 diagnostic software on the TouchPad. It has filled some part of the memory with lots of 0xFF bytes... :p
It seems TI has done a very crappy job with the 1st release of the diagnostic software for the TouchPad (2.00).
It isn't even handling the TouchPad keypad correcly... If you don't have a ClickPad by hand, navigating though the diagnostic menus is difficult.
It is even telling me my battery is faulty.... It seems to check the voltage with a 4Volts value, when the nominal voltage of the battery is 3.7Volts.
No surprise the software did bug...
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Didn't Mic Nspire also went kaputt when it had OS 2.0 on it?
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Didn't Mic Nspire also went kaputt when it had OS 2.0 on it?
Yes, but that was not related to the diagnostic mode.
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Yeah I know. Wasn't it due to USB?
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I think, I dont remember it too much
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let's assume that ti makes another update tomarow... would someone be able to rip apart the os and find out what allows it to be upgraded. then someone could rip apart the old os and reprogram it to say, Why yes i am a good update.
Edit: i mean make a patch for the os as altering the os and releasing it would violate laws.
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We couldn't really apply the patches though, since we'd already have to have access to the keys to send any modified OS of ours. :(
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ohhh ok, it was the ti-84's that was cracked ( i forgot )
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Like me,
I actually plan to learn some C in order to program for teh nspire. Can I have a good complier that DOESNT require Cmd preferrably
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What platform are you on?
Compiling from the command line is as simple as running 'make' in the source directory, so there's really little reason why the use of the command line should be an obstacle.
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Bwang, some people hate having going through the whole process of typing commands to navigate through directories. Windows users are used to GUIs. We just click the exe that's it. When I see a program that uses cmd prompt, I usually don't bother. This isn't to mention some people may forget the cmd line syntax.
If using cmd line is easier or more suitable than GUIs for you, it doesn't mean it is for everyone.
Of course if it's the only option, then I guess qazz have no choice. But even then it's better if there are pre-made batch files. Some people claims writing them is easy but when someone wants to use a software, he doesn't necessarly want to have to learn the whole batch script language...
As an example, remember how I never figured out how to get Goplat's emulator to work at all, same for the GUI Levak did
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Sorry if I sounded rude in my previous post. I didn't mean to :(
There's probably some way to get it set up with Eclipse or a similar IDE, but imo its not worth the time. Either way, I believe you are going to need some familiarity with the command-line GNU development tools to code for the Nspire.
But as I've said, its not hard. apcalc wrote an excellent tutorial here (http://ourl.ca/6330) if you're getting started.
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But as I've said, its not hard.
*sighs*
I'm going to focus on the main theme of this topic from now on.
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He's not a TI spy, but there's one person in the community who precluded himself from getting his dirty hands on the Ndless 1 and 2 exploits, because he wrote multiple times, even before the release of Ndless 1, that he'd release it immediately if he got hold of it, no matter how good are the reasons not to release it (disrespect towards those who do actual work, giving a head start to TI for screwing us up in the next OS update, giving a bad reputation to an unstable exploit that could brick the calcs - not to mention disdain for the experience of other homebrew communities fought by the manufacturer and behaving responsibly by maintaining a head start on the manufacturer and withhelding exploits until they become necessary, etc.). That person doesn't even have any Nspire calculator, BTW...
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Yeah I know who you are talking about x.x
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I think I do too... x.x
Sad that such people exist... :(
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You mean the well known K² ? :p
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Yes, and you know it :P
I don't think he owns a z80 calculator either, IIRC, yet we all know him...
Edit: And by "well-known," I think you meant "infamous" :P
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I actually plan to learn some C in order to program for teh nspire. Can I have a good complier that DOESNT require Cmd preferrably
What I do is create a batch file that contains:
make
pause
and run it from windows explorer.
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Or you could do it so the batch file autonavigates to the project directory based on the user's input... I don't have an Nspire, but based on the way apcalc explains it in the tutorial, all you'd need is this (based off a batch file I wrote for SPASM recently):
@echo off
title Nspire C Compiler
set /p project=Project folder:
cd %project%
echo Making project...
make
pause
The advantage is that you would only need one batch file, not one for each project. So, you could create a shortcut to this batch file on your desktop. (The disadvantage is users not easily being able to recompile your source without a batch file in the project folder like fb39ca4's).
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So that would be all I would have to do? Just make a batch file?
Sorry, these kinda things confuse me
you would not beleive how long it took me to figure out how to compille in C#, all that work, just to find out I needed csc.exe and a few csc.dlls
/me feels retarded
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Yes, to make a batch file you just need to make a text file, and rename it *.bat.
If you're going to be using fb39ca4's batch file, I suggest you create it in your project folder and give it the same name as your project. So if you're compiling the demo, call the batch file demo.bat and put it in the same folder. Then copy-paste the code he posted into it and run it.
If you're going to be using my batch file, create it anywhere (probably in the compiler's folder), copy-paste the code I posted into it, and make a shortcut on your desktop. So again, if you were compiling the demo, when you run the batch file type out (or copy-paste) the path to the demo folder and press enter.
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Ah,ok thanks, I didnt realize that making a complier was that easy
Sorry if oyu have to walk me through this, but why is "make" not a reconized command?
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because you don't have a compiler installed. Making a compiler is not that easy, and I would suggest using an IDE.
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ok, and that is the origional question, can someone recommend a good compiler for C, now I dont care if it uses cmd or not
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Oh, I assumed you had the compiler installed already... yes, you need to follow apcalc's instructions here (http://ourl.ca/6330), but instead of compiling using the command line, use one of the batch files.
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Whew, thank you, now we can go back to the original purpose of this topic.
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...And its for the better!
Ok, so a few nights ago, I emailed TI-cares about why they didn't have getkey, and all those missing commands. Their shocking responce:
Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
These are very good questions you have about programming the TI-Nspire handheld. Currently, the TI-Nspire family handheld lacks the full range of programming functions found on our other graphing calculators (this also includes the getkey command you were inquiring about). As the TI-Nspire family handheld operating system is periodically updated, more and more of the standard TI BASIC functions will be added to the OS. I regret any inconvenience this may cause you.
Warmest Regards,
Doug Fincher :o They will be added! or.. it could be a lie. Idk, im gonna hope they are right about that... or maybe its another tactic to get you guys to upgrade to the latest os like they did with os 2.1? it might get Nleashed? ??? We will soon find out! ;D
edit: should i ask why they didn't do it in the first release?
edit 2: I sent in a reply asking.
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Perhaps this is a way of getting the community to install the latest ndless-incompatible OS?
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not sure.. ima see what their responce is to them not introducing it at first or at os 2.0
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Mmkay, sounds good.
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The cake is a lie! The farthest you'll get is a supervisor, an e-mail supposedly sent to the dev team. Which may or may not get back to you. Good luck, though.
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The cake is a lie! The farthest you'll get is a supervisor, an e-mail supposedly sent to the dev team. Which may or may not get back to you. Good luck, though.
So I guess you never got a response to your last message to TI, the one about adding assembly to the Nspire?
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that wasn't me that asked about assembly on the nspire, that was someone else. Their response to that was 'itll ruin your calculator cuz the developers dont know what their doin and they might crash it.'... well they did say it would "ruin your calculator"
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that wasn't me that asked about assembly on the nspire, that was someone else. Their response to that was 'itll ruin your calculator cuz the developers dont know what their doin and they might crash it.'... well they did say it would "ruin your calculator"
Indeed, that's why I quoted graphmastur (the person who asked about it) and not you. ;) And I was referring to this post by him in the other topic:
I won't put the e-mail in yet, but basically, the person suggested to their superiors about releasing the source code of the os, and they should get back to me.
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oh ok.
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I like how he says "I regret any inconveniences this may cause you." Ya think? Does TI put that at the end of every complaint letter?
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i actually got a response from the dev team. mostly the same as the "the noobs will kill your calc" kind of statements.
i am considering asking why ti-84's still cost to much....
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It's because TI has a monopoly over calcs, and so even at such high prices, everyone's buying them.
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It's because TI has a monopoly over calcs, and so even at such high prices, everyone's buying them.
ya, but i want to hear their excuses. I have gotten reasonable answers back from them before that were contrary to what i had thought.
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The cake is a lie! The farthest you'll get is a supervisor, an e-mail supposedly sent to the dev team. Which may or may not get back to you. Good luck, though.
So I guess you never got a response to your last message to TI, the one about adding assembly to the Nspire?
Yeah, I hit a dead end.
I do apologize if you have found issues with any of Texas Instruments operating systems. I am unaware of the bugs you mention that the user community has fixed however any issues found with the Texas Instruments calculators operating system that are reported to us are forwarded to our development team for evaluation and repair in future releases of the operating system. In addition all issues that I have received and reported are slated to be fixed in the next release of the operating system.
For your second comment, I understand that the programs I previously mentioned don’t have the resources of a large company so that is a valid reason for the third party applications not being bug free however this doesn’t change the issues they caused.
I also understand that you wish for Texas Instruments to open the source code of the operating system for Texas Instruments calculators however I cannot make this decision so I will forward your comments to my superiors for consideration I cannot guarantee when or if a response will be provided to this inquiry.
I like how he says "I regret any inconveniences this may cause you." Ya think? Does TI put that at the end of every complaint letter?
Yes. They do.
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...And its for the better!
Ok, so a few nights ago, I emailed TI-cares about why they didn't have getkey, and all those missing commands. Their shocking responce:
Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
These are very good questions you have about programming the TI-Nspire handheld. Currently, the TI-Nspire family handheld lacks the full range of programming functions found on our other graphing calculators (this also includes the getkey command you were inquiring about). As the TI-Nspire family handheld operating system is periodically updated, more and more of the standard TI BASIC functions will be added to the OS. I regret any inconvenience this may cause you.
Warmest Regards,
Doug Fincher :o They will be added! or.. it could be a lie. Idk, im gonna hope they are right about that... or maybe its another tactic to get you guys to upgrade to the latest os like they did with os 2.1? it might get Nleashed? ??? We will soon find out! ;D
edit: should i ask why they didn't do it in the first release?
edit 2: I sent in a reply asking.
Even if Getkey gets added, there still remains the fact TI-BASIC is friggin slow and a lot of people wants alternatives or the ability to use libraries to make their programs much faster (xLIB, Celtic, etc).
Also, why wasn't Getkey and ESPECIALLY the input functions, essential to most calc math programs, added when the Nspire came out? To me, it is really clear this calc was rushed into the market, or they are planning future paid upgrades.
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I think they might be doing what apple did - bring out the iphone, then wait till everyone bought it about 2 times then bring out the one that everyone wants so they can just buy it again.
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Well, even if getkey is added, I doubt it will do much for Nspire BASIC programs. There are still no drawing routines, which would make game programming kinda hard, and there are already the geometry features for drawing circles/squares and such, so there is not a need at all to add them, except for programming.
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Yeah I wish they also added Pt-On/Off and the like. In its current form the language would still be limited even with the addition of getkey.
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allright. I got somethin juicy this time! ;D
Thank you for your reply.
With the release of the TI-Nspire family handheld, the main goal was to develop new technology so the programming development of the handheld was limited. With the release of OS 1.7 and 2.0, some programming features were added but again, the main focus was updating the existing applications (Calculator, Graphs, Lists and Spreadsheet, etc).
In my opinion, it seems as if the programming development of the handheld has taken a "backseat". With that said, I will forward this e-mail to the TI-Nspire family developers as a suggestion for future operating system updates and to let them know that there are customers out there looking for more programming functionality.
Warmest Regards,
Doug Fincher
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Yeah I still wonder why it wasn't added initially in the first place. Normally when you release something you finish it then add a few minor stuff later. It's like if Starcraft II came out with the entire Campaing disabled.
That said, if TI is open to suggestions, be warned they will probably take suggestions by one or two people into account, but rather take the ones by several people into account.
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and that means teacher's.. right?
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more students that doesn't care about calc games plus the teachers/schools, or TI-Nspire google group.
Also another thing I wish is if we could setup our BASIC programs full screen. This is something I hated of 68K basic programming.
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In the e-mail I got from TI today (regarding the 84+ keypad w/ the Nspire CAS), TI said that the "educational market" is a great force in determining what they add to their products. I am sure they will consult teachers before they think of adding more programming capabilities. :(
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I'm not even sure if the majority of America's educators know what the purpose of getKey is...
I seriously doubt it will be added if the "educational market" is to be consulted. :(
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haha yeah. I also asked why native assembly isn't supported.. again i wanted to see this for myself... and if they would also suggest a ti-89 keypad
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Mk.
Well let's not spam them either, though. Remember what happened to UTI 2005 contest. Ticalc got angry at the flood of feature requests they got about it.
EDIT: Btw would it be possible to not use CODE tags for emails and quoted messages? It's very hard to read due to lack of word-wrap.
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What I really want to know from TI Cares is the docs for the USB ports. I fired off a suggestion and still haven't gotten a response.
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Just Nspire or 84+(SE) too? Both would be very nice to have, and the latter more so, at least IMO.
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I don't know about the Nspire, but I asked about the 84+ (SE). This is what I sent:
Hello,
I am an assembly developer for the TI-84+ (SE), and had a few questions about some ports. I've noticed there is a lack of documentation for ports 4C and above, namely, the USB ports. If you have time, would you please send me this documentation?
Thank you in advance,
Drew DeVault
This is the reply:
Drew,
Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
I will be more than happy to provide you with information for programming on the TI-84 Plus graphing calculator.
The only available documentation that we have is available from the Software Development Kit (SDK). This documentation may be downloaded from the link below under the Guidebook section of the web page.
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&appId=177
Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
http://support.education.ti.com
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
This is what I just sent back:
Hi César,
I appreciate the offer, and I have checked out the documentation. However, I still haven’t been able to find documentation on these particular ports. There isn't any documentation available outside of the SDK?
Regards,
Drew "Sir Cmpwn" DeVault
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Is it me or are they less experienced with their old z80 line than the Nspire? x.x
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Is it me or are they less experienced with their old z80 line than the Nspire? x.x
Besides, the Z80 documentation they ask SirCpwn to download has typos in it.
I think it's just their trying to make money. I'm sure when the Z80 calculators came out, there were very few people at TI who could not handle those kinds of questions. Now that the Nspire is out, they probably focus more on that, and the people who were experts at the z80 are left to other jobs.
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Besides, the Z80 documentation they ask SirCpwn to download has typos in it.
*SirCmpwn :P
Also, I know for a fact that a Word document on their servers somewhere contains information about these ports.
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shall we hack into the servers though? >:D
*happybobjr thinks of the evil man in willy wonka and chocolate factory who wants to steal the valuable candy :P
*happybobjr realizes that we would steal back what is rightfully ours >:D
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Actually, it's not rightfully ours, and that would be illegal. Discontinue posts of this sort. Don't make me get all moderator on your ass.
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Well said SirCnmpw. Netham45 eats people so illegal stuff or suggestion of illegal activities should probably be avoided.
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"SirCnmpw?" Really? :P
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Yeah. :P
(maybe it will end up like Simplethinker's nickname on IRC...)
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sorry, i thought all the >:D's suggested to everyone that i in no way was being serious.
sorry for causing problems.
* Natham is one scarry lobster when mad.... """"shudd dderrriing inn feeearrr"""""
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* Natham is one scarry lobster when mad.... """"shudd dderrriing inn feeearrr"""""
lol. I havn't ever seen netham mad before
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Sorry happybobjr, it was a joke, although that kind of content would not be allowed here.
I also realized that this is the "Misspell SirCmpwn Thread"
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I could start a real thread dedicated to that. After all, we managed to convince someone to change his nickname with such things in the past ;D (Simplethinker on IRC)
Anyway I agree we need to try to be careful what kind of content we post.
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sorry about this...
Now I am no longer ignornt (*happybobjr says ignorantly)
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It's ok, just making sure ^^
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ok so I just got the latest word in from ti.. basically they will forward it to the dev team. here's the whole line of conversation:
edit: haha that guys good.. 'i have no idea'.
Jacob,
Thank you for your reply.
This e-mail has also been forwarded to the TI-Nspire family developers. As for why assembly language programming was nixed from the TI-Nspire family handheld, I have no idea but I will be sure and ask for you.
Warmest Regards,
Doug Fincher
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ok thanks! Also, i was wandering how come native assembly isn't supported on the nspire? Is it going to be supported in the future at all? I would like to suggest also to support native assembly just like all the other calculator's do. Also, another suggestion. Would it be possible to suggest a ti-89 keypad for the ti-nspire cas clickpad/touchpad (I have the touchpad). Thanks again!
> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:04:44 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RE: US, NoneOfTheAbove, [REF:39131359904]
>
> Jacob,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> With the release of the TI-Nspire family handheld, the main goal was to develop new technology so the programming development of the handheld was limited. With the release of OS 1.7 and 2.0, some programming features were added but again, the main focus was updating the existing applications (Calculator, Graphs, Lists and Spreadsheet, etc).
>
> In my opinion, it seems as if the programming development of the handheld has taken a "backseat". With that said, I will forward this e-mail to the TI-Nspire family developers as a suggestion for future operating system updates and to let them know that there are customers out there looking for more programming functionality.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Doug Fincher
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> ---- Original Message ----
>
> Thanks for that! Also, how come it wasn't just introduced in the first release with os 1.1 or any of the other earlier releases? Or just introduced with os 2.0?
>
> > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:50:22 -0500
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: US, NoneOfTheAbove, [REF:39109757343]
> >
> > Jacob,
> >
> > Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
> >
> > These are very good questions you have about programming the TI-Nspire handheld. Currently, the TI-Nspire family handheld lacks the full range of programming functions found on our other graphing calculators (this also includes the getkey command you were inquiring about). As the TI-Nspire family handheld operating system is periodically updated, more and more of the standard TI BASIC functions will be added to the OS. I regret any inconvenience this may cause you.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> >
> > Doug Fincher
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> > ---- Original Message ----
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> > Name:
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> > Type of Service: NoneOfTheAbove
> > Computer Software Setup/Usage:
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> > Computer OS: NotSelected
> > Comments: Hello. I was wandering, in the TI-nspire basic, why is there no getkey command? I don't get that. I also don't get how this language could be so different from all the other TI-basic languages. Also, how come it only has a limited number of input/output commands? Thank's.
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critical failure
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ok so I just got the latest word in from ti.. basically they will forward it to the dev team. here's the whole line of conversation:
edit: haha that guys good.. 'i have no idea'.
Wow, I hate to say it, but I told ya. Sorry about it, though. Maybe one day.
The cake is a lie! The farthest you'll get is a supervisor, an e-mail supposedly sent to the dev team. Which may or may not get back to you. Good luck, though.
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Yeah, the usual I guess. I am surprised we could get this much "info", though, so far.
EDIT: Thread merged with another I just found at the bottom of this page. Darn, there were 4 topics about this at least x.x
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In regards to USB protocol on the TI-84+ (SE):
Them:
Drew,
Thank you for the reply.
Unfortunately, there is no further documentation available than this.
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
Me:
Hi César,
I have heard rumors that there is a document managed by the z80 developer team at TI that documents this. Could you get with them on this issue and see what they know about it? It seems a bit lax to me to leave out these important specs.
Regards,
Drew "Sir Cmpwn" DeVault
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After reading these responses from TI, my first thought is TI is being very dismissive.
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one guy claimed that he knew nothing about missing RAM pages x.x
He said all TI-84+SE's had the same RAM
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I remember that, he just said all of them have 24 kb. It's kinda sad TI-82s have 4 more kb of ram over the 83/84+
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I remember that, he just said all of them have 24 kb. It's kinda sad TI-82s have 4 more kb of ram over the 83/84+
The TI-83 has more available RAM than the TI-83+/84+ too.
The TI-83+/84+ are the worst from that perspective, with the TI-80 & TI-81.....
And if you use OS 2.53MP/2.54MP, the available TI-84+ RAM size is decreased even more.........
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one guy claimed that he knew nothing about missing RAM pages x.x
He said all TI-84+SE's had the same RAM
Yeah I remember reading this on United-TI last year.
I remember that, he just said all of them have 24 kb. It's kinda sad TI-82s have 4 more kb of ram over the 83/84+
And if you use OS 2.53MP/2.54MP, the available TI-84+ RAM size is decreased even more.........
Wow really? Pathetic :/
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I remember that, he just said all of them have 24 kb. It's kinda sad TI-82s have 4 more kb of ram over the 83/84+
And if you use OS 2.53MP/2.54MP, the available TI-84+ RAM size is decreased even more.........
Wow really? Pathetic :/
Yes!
With all TI-83+ OSes and TI-84+ OSes 0.46 to 2.48, you've got the same number of free bytes in RAM (24285).
With OSes 2.53MP/2.54MP, you've got a little less (23720).
You may say it's not a big loss.
But the problem is the available RAM on TI-83+/84+ was allready not a big thing in itself...
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I remember trying to play a game that was 23,981 kb on my nspre, and it turns out archived programs still eat up a few kb of ram, so I had to delete all those, and then I ended up playing a game that wasnt so great anyways.
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wait, the nspire only has 24k ram too?
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wait, the nspire only has 24k ram too?
Yeah, I think the TI-84 Plus faceplate keeps that as the limit.
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Yeah. TI d
I remember trying to play a game that was 23,981 kb on my nspre, and it turns out archived programs still eat up a few kb of ram, so I had to delete all those, and then I ended up playing a game that wasnt so great anyways.
which game was it? I remember Gemini and Castlevania were quite large, but they weren't too bad. The former was a FPS and the later something very close to the NES Castlevania. They got featured on ticalc.org.
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Ohhh! Someone remembers castlevania? That's a first I have seen on Omnimaga ;)
I really have to say, the Super Mario levels took a lot of RAM, even when archive. :(
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I am very sure there were references to it when this board started. In fact, I think there was a reference to it in the news on the old board.
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Alec,
Thank you for the reply.
As far as I am aware and as far as what is noted on all our TI-84 Plus family graphing calculators all of them have about 24KB of RAM not 128 KB RAM. We are not responsible for third party software which may alter the calculator. Due to the risks involved, Texas Instruments does not support or recommend modifications to the hardware. Modifications of this type will void the calculator's original warranty, and could result in damage to your calculator or personal injury.
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
personal injury? D: I didnt realize that ndless was that dangerous!
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Alec,
Thank you for the reply.
As far as I am aware and as far as what is noted on all our TI-84 Plus family graphing calculators all of them have about 24KB of RAM not 128 KB RAM. We are not responsible for third party software which may alter the calculator. Due to the risks involved, Texas Instruments does not support or recommend modifications to the hardware. Modifications of this type will void the calculator's original warranty, and could result in damage to your calculator or personal injury.
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
personal injury? D: I didnt realize that ndless was that dangerous!
lol!
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Them:
Drew,
In regards to your query about more information about documentation for Ports 4C and above. I can only refer you to the sdk documentation on our website:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&appId=6143&tabId=2 (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&appId=6143&tabId=2)
Regards,
Bill Anderson
Me:
Hi Bill,
Unfortunately, I'm looking for information about ports 4C and above on the TI-84+, not the TI-89.
Thanks!
Regards,
Drew "Sir Cmpwn" DeVault
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Wow. That's sad. It's too bad they don't know the difference between calcs... </sarcasm> :(
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Ow! Remote8x just broke my arm!
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Them:
Drew,
In regards to your query about more information about documentation for Ports 4C and above. I can only refer you to the sdk documentation on our website:
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&appId=6143&tabId=2 (http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&appId=6143&tabId=2)
Regards,
Bill Anderson
Me:
Hi Bill,
Unfortunately, I'm looking for information about ports 4C and above on the TI-84+, not the TI-89.
Thanks!
Regards,
Drew "Sir Cmpwn" DeVault
That may be one factor in whether people will buy our graphing calculator or not :) TI support is really lacking
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/me sighs
Them:
Drew,
Sorry. Try: http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_sdk_73_83_84.html?bid=6
Bill
Me:
Thanks Bill,
This one covers the TI-83+, which does not have ports 4C and above in the first place. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Regards,
Drew "Sir Cmpwn" DeVault
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You're wasting your time...
They can only give you links to the official web site, and to my knowledge, no technical information specific to the TI-84+ was ever published by them.
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I shall push and prod them until I get what I need :)
I'm pretty good with people, I may have a chance.
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I remember in one email that I got they gave me a link to a non TI website.
The question was something regarding a math function on the TI-89 (piecewise functions, I believe), and they gave me a link to an external website that described how to graph one on the TI-89.
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I remember in one email that I got they gave me a link to a non TI website.
The question was something regarding a math function on the TI-89 (piecewise functions, I believe), and they gave me a link to an external website that described how to graph one on the TI-89.
I suppose he/she must have been fired since... :p
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Darn, some of those responses from TI are pathetic x.x
Especially the one Qazz got about personal injuries x.x
And a late reply to a post I missed on the last page:
I remember that, he just said all of them have 24 kb. It's kinda sad TI-82s have 4 more kb of ram over the 83/84+
And if you use OS 2.53MP/2.54MP, the available TI-84+ RAM size is decreased even more.........
Wow really? Pathetic :/
Yes!
With all TI-83+ OSes and TI-84+ OSes 0.46 to 2.48, you've got the same number of free bytes in RAM (24285).
With OSes 2.53MP/2.54MP, you've got a little less (23720).
You may say it's not a big loss.
But the problem is the available RAM on TI-83+/84+ was allready not a big thing in itself...
Yeah, the size mattered a lot actually. There are 83 games that didn't ran on the 83+ because of that. I got ERR:MEMORY
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Alec,
Thank you for the reply.
I apologize for the delay in response, I had to do further research on your question. What I was able to find is that in response to the changing supply of materials, Texas Instruments constantly adjusts product designs to maintain the level of performance and reliability to which our customers are accustomed.
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
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---- Original Message ----
To clear some things up
1. I don't believe that third party programs would cause me a personal injury
2. Yes, it is sadly true, the TI-84+ line has 128 KB RAM (only 24 is user
accessible though) the rest is used for the TI-OS. There used to be extra
leftover RAM that did nothing in particular, it was there for us third party
developers. I am only wondering what has happened to that RAM in newer models,
because it is reported that most of the extra RAM is missing. Only a tiny bit
was not removed, and that was just because of the MathPrint OS. I am only
asking, why was this RAM removed?
________________________________
From: TI Cares Customer Support <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 10:32:40 AM
Subject: Re: US, CalcOrProcedure, TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus Silver Edition
[REF:39291237902]
Alec,
Thank you for the reply.
As far as I am aware and as far as what is noted on all our TI-84 Plus family
graphing calculators all of them have about 24KB of RAM not 128 KB RAM. We are
not responsible for third party software which may alter the calculator. Due to
the risks involved, Texas Instruments does not support or recommend
modifications to the hardware. Modifications of this type will void the
calculator's original warranty, and could result in damage to your calculator or
personal injury.
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
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http://ourl.ca/3726;wap2
perhaps that will help in understanding the question, it is where I got my
information about missing RAM pages from.
________________________________
From: TI Cares Customer Support <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 8:48:47 PM
Subject: Re: US, CalcOrProcedure, TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus Silver Edition
[REF:39218011019]
Alec,
Thank you for the reply.
I am not sure what you referring to. All TI-84 Plus Silver Edition calculators
have the exact same amount of RAM and Flash ROM.
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
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---- Original Message ----
This does not help, what I mean to ask is why older TI-84+SE had more "extra RAM
pages" but newer ones are missing a lot. These RAM pages are required for some
apps, some of which are Texas Instrument's apps.
________________________________
From: TI Cares Customer Support <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 5:24:05 PM
Subject: Re: US, CalcOrProcedure, TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus Silver Edition
[REF:39177310195]
Alec,
Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
I will be more than happy to answer your questions about the TI-84 Plus Silver
Edition.
The TI-84 Plus Silver Edition has 1.5 MB of available Flash ROM for Apps and 24
KB of available RAM for programs. The calculator comes preloaded with the
following Apps that do take up some of this space.
? Area Formulas App
? Cabri? Jr. App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Catalog Help App
? CellSheet? App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Conic Graphing App
? Fundamental Topics in Science App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Inequality Graphing App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Language Localization App for the TI-84 Plus Families
? LearningCheck? App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? NoteFolio? App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Organizer App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Periodic Table App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Polynomial Root Finder and Simultaneous Equation Solver Version 2.0
? Probability Simulation App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Puzzle Pack for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Science Tools App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Start-Up Customization App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? StudyCards? App
? Topics in Algebra 1 (Chapters 1- 5) App for TI- 83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Families
? Transformation Graphing App for the TI-83 Plus and TI-84 Plus Families
? Vernier EasyData? App
With all of these Apps installed it takes up space, not counting the different
language localization Apps that may have been installed it takes up about 560 KB
of the available Flash ROM.
Another resource you can use to find answers to your questions, example
calculations and other information is our Knowledge Base. The Knowledge Base is
accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
http://support.education.ti.com
I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or
comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest Regards,
César López
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---- Original Message ----
Country: US
Name: Alec Szigeti
Email: [email protected]
Type of Service: CalcOrProcedure
Computer Software Setup/Usage:
Product Group: GrphHH
Product: TI-84 Plus or TI-84 Plus Silver Edition
Purchase Time: 06/2010
Customer Type: NotSelected
Product Serial#:
Computer OS: NotSelected
Comments: Why is my TI-84+SE missing a lot of RAM pages needed for some
applications?
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Strange, he doesn't state anything about production costs. I wonder if this is their motive? Also darn it took so long for you to get an answer that is not (the 84+ only has 24 KB total RAM) x.x
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flash apps take up rom space. does that help you with your ram questions?
what do they have to gain in avoiding the question other than making themselves look worse?
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TI is just stupid (or arrogant), they don't even know their own hardware.
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Oh, I don't know.
The people at customer cares seem to want to help (sometimes)
I think what they send is scanned, then ti'ified to meet their vows of silence.
(that was serious)
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flash apps take up rom space. does that help you with your ram questions?
what do they have to gain in avoiding the question other than making themselves look worse?
exactly
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On the phone I talked to one.
Just remember, it's not their fault that it's this way. If you can, feel free to rant to upper management, but don't rant at customer service. It's not their fault :P
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I think that this is the story
first, TI was a very nice company, supporting education and developers
then they turned into an evil, money pinching cooperation
the end
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I apologize for the delay in response, I had to do further research on your question.
Seriously? I personally don't believe that someone working as a representative at TI hadn't noticed such a big change. Maybe he's assuming that others hadn't noticed yet :P
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they are just trying to lie...
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Hey, tech support needs to waste time somehow :P
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hahaha lol i looked at page one and it said that you can't downgrade below 1.7 hahaha of course you can with nleash!!! hehehe
I think that this is the story
first, TI was a very nice company, supporting education and developers
then they turned into an evil, money pinching cooperation
the end
i agree with this. the release of the nspire showed how much they wanted to limit the programming (with crap basic until os1.7) and stop people hacking into a calc. this has been discussed before. and of course TI knows (if their IQ is high enough) that people in communities such as omnimaga will always find a way to defy TI's 'orders" heheh
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hahaha lol i looked at page one and it said that you can't downgrade below 1.7 hahaha of course you can with nleash!!! hehehe
I think that this is the story
first, TI was a very nice company, supporting education and developers
then they turned into an evil, money pinching cooperation
the end
i agree with this. the release of the nspire showed how much they wanted to limit the programming (with crap basic until os1.7) and stop people hacking into a calc. this has been discussed before. and of course TI knows (if their IQ is high enough) that people in communities such as omnimaga will always find a way to defy TI's 'orders" heheh
Yeah Nleash wasn't out yet x.x
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i agree with this. the release of the nspire showed how much they wanted to limit the programming (with crap basic until os1.7) and stop people hacking into a calc. this has been discussed before. and of course TI knows (if their IQ is high enough) that people in communities such as omnimaga will always find a way to defy TI's 'orders" heheh
What if they order us to defy their orders? :P
But, yea, I was pretty amazed at how bleek and baron the built-in programming features were on the nspire. Even now, with the later OSes, it's still nothing compared to the programming on even a TI-81.
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ahh, I cant wait until we "defy" their order again
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where was TI when we were sending our hacked backups?
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i agree with this. the release of the nspire showed how much they wanted to limit the programming (with crap basic until os1.7) and stop people hacking into a calc. this has been discussed before. and of course TI knows (if their IQ is high enough) that people in communities such as omnimaga will always find a way to defy TI's 'orders" heheh
What if they order us to defy their orders? :P
But, yea, I was pretty amazed at how bleek and baron the built-in programming features were on the nspire. Even now, with the later OSes, it's still nothing compared to the programming on even a TI-81.
Soo, basically, their newest model has the worst features besides the scientific calcs...
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i agree with this. the release of the nspire showed how much they wanted to limit the programming (with crap basic until os1.7) and stop people hacking into a calc. this has been discussed before. and of course TI knows (if their IQ is high enough) that people in communities such as omnimaga will always find a way to defy TI's 'orders" heheh
I wouldn't say that - more like a different feature set, just as rich but not suited to a programmers purposes.
What if they order us to defy their orders? :P
But, yea, I was pretty amazed at how bleek and baron the built-in programming features were on the nspire. Even now, with the later OSes, it's still nothing compared to the programming on even a TI-81.
Soo, basically, their newest model has the worst features besides the scientific calcs...
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fb39ca4: Eh? Did you say something (besides the sig, of course (I lost))?
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I must've meant to say something, but I can't remember it now.
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1638?
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Do you mean the maximum font size?
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Yeah I was wondering about the quoting too, because there was nothing added afterward. I guessed it was meant to be quoted for truth but I wasn't 100% sure.
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Oh, I see. You put your post in the middle of the quote:
I wouldn't say that - more like a different feature set, just as rich but not suited to a programmers purposes.
And yeah, about your sig, the BBCode got broken for a while and it appeared as
[size=1638pt][font color="red"]*THE GAME[/font][/size]
/me loses again...
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Yeah, I noticed. The biggest I got to was 96pt, then BuilderBoy and DJ Omni asked me to make it smaller.
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Yeah at first I did not say anything because the sig was much smaller than some other people (like Deep Thought's), but I started noticing some threads got off topic due to it and it was rather distracting, so I felt 48 px might be better. However I see you are changing it, now :P
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Yeah, I'm using the block character, making up a 8x12 font.
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Lol nice :P
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I like it :) I think i actualy like the *look* of it better than before!
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Anyway, back on topic, has anyone here ever managed to get any info regarding USB linking from TI? I read in IRC logs that BrandonW had an hard time getting any info and I know SirCmpwn had troubles getting some too, if he got any at all.
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[ontopic]TI seems to be getting more and more annoyed at the calc community...[/ontopic]
[offtopic]Is my sig a bit big? I can change it.[/offtopic]
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Yeah, that said Sony and Apple do the same with PS3/PSP and iPhones, though. Seems like companies are against 3rd party dev now x.x
As for your sig it seems pretty small now. It's smaller than mine lol :P
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And I added a new spoiler :)
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I will kill you.
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lol, wow... The button's just a little bit off in color, though :P
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Dang! I actually fell for that!
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yeah, it doesnt look right
screenshot the whole thing(including the frame underneath), swap in the show button from here, save it as a transparent, and trick everyone
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still got me, though XD
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Yeah the issue is that buttons show differently under different browser themes (and computer OS'es), so it doesn't work as well for everyone.
Anyway we're kinda off-topic now :P
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yes, off topic, so maybe... what is the TI's response to ndless and nleash? r they going to release a OS '2.2' that will downgrade everything. TI are going too far these days....
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I wouldn't be surprised if a new OS came out when (or if?) Ndless 2.0 comes out. I know an OS update is planned around March and there were rumors about a paid SDK on TI-BANK, so I don't know if that will delay Ndless releases
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Uhm, Ashbad, why did you sent an e-mail to TI using my e-mail address? ??? ??? ???
I just got the response in my inbox now. ??? Anyway it's the same generic one as someone got a few months ago. I have no clue what you initially said, since the reply doesn't include the quoted text from your e-mail. ???
Dear Ashbad,
Thanks for your feedback from the perspective of the C / ASM programming and development community. We appreciate feedback from all of customers.
At this time, we offer only the programming functionalities that are resident on the TI-Nspire handheld. Please remember that the TI-Nspire is an educational tool. It is designed for the instructional needs of math and science teachers and learners.
However, we will keep your input in mind as we develop future products.
Best Regards
<censored>
Media Relations Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
<censored>@ti.com
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Uhm, Ashbad, why did you sent an e-mail to TI using my e-mail address? ??? ??? ???
I just got the response in my inbox now. ??? Anyway it's the same generic one as someone got a few months ago. I have no clue what you initially said, since the reply doesn't include the quoted text from your e-mail. ???
Dear Ashbad,
Thanks for your feedback from the perspective of the C / ASM programming and development community. We appreciate feedback from all of customers.
At this time, we offer only the programming functionalities that are resident on the TI-Nspire handheld. Please remember that the TI-Nspire is an educational tool. It is designed for the instructional needs of math and science teachers and learners.
However, we will keep your input in mind as we develop future products.
Best Regards
<censored>
Media Relations Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
<censored>@ti.com
X.x How does he have access to your email in the first place?
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I'm telling you, there is a spy for TI that knows DJ is a major leader in the community and that Ashbad is a member. Ashbad never sent an e-mail, but TI was playing a practical joke to make it look like Ashbad did and they sent it to DJ for kicks.
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I'm telling you, there is a spy for TI that knows DJ is a major leader in the community and that Ashbad is a member. Ashbad never sent an e-mail, but TI was playing a practical joke to make it look like Ashbad did and they sent it to DJ for kicks.
<Magic XKCD Black Hat>
Unless YOU are the spy, and want us to get all disorganized and such, on a witch hunt, but I KNOW that YOU are the spy, and THEREFORE, there is no such thing as the game.
</Magic XKCD Black Hat>
No, but seriously, I doubt there is a spy. And It's not me, at all...
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If there's a spy, I'm pretty sure he's not registered.
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If there's a spy, I'm pretty sure he's not registered.
And that's why we have those "secret" topics. ;-) Ya know, the ones that you do the konami code, and that other thing to get in?!?
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Yeah... But you shouldn't mention those, the spy might be reading this topic :P
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I am a spy. I secretly work with members of ti. jk :p.
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If I may present a solution to an issue that was presented at the beginning of the topic...
TI caters not only to the programming community, but to the teachers. First off, TI should realize that they get a great deal of business from the programming community, from needing new calculators after bricking our own, to just wanting to try out new hardware. They should take that into account when fighting against us with their downgrade protections and PTT features.
But, that is not my point. My point is this...teachers give TI alot of business as well. Many teachers are repulsed by programming abilities, and even discourage it to a point. My math teachers used to do RAM clears and delete our groups all the time and the only way I got around this was to group everything, then use CalcSys to toggle the inGroup value, which hides all groups and programs. Teachers believe that programming allows students to cheat. My question is, does programming our calculator before hand, on our own merit, count as cheating? In my chemistry class, I often made utilities that made chemistry calculations easier. After being initially skeptical of the calculator's ability, my chem teacher became impressed by the software I was making and began distributing the programs to the class online and allowed them to be utilized on tests.
We need to convince teachers that programming is not detrimental, but it can be a great help to in class-activity. The important thing is that my programs in chemistry explained why the calculator was doing what it was doing, not just giving an answer. If we tailor some software toward constructive use in class, teachers will begin to see the value and may clamor for additional programming functionality themselves.
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using my e-mail address? ??? ??? ???
using someone else's email address is extremely easy. There is a homebrew program on the ds that will do it for you.
[quote author=ACagliano link=topic=3786.msg117139#msg117139 date=1296927246]
If I may present a solution to an issue that was presented at the beginning of the topic...
TI caters not only to the programming community, but to the teachers. First off, TI should realize that they get a great deal of business from the programming community, from needing new calculators after bricking our own, to just wanting to try out new hardware. They should take that into account when fighting against us with their downgrade protections and PTT features.
But, that is not my point. My point is this...teachers give TI alot of business as well. Many teachers are repulsed by programming abilities, and even discourage it to a point. My math teachers used to do RAM clears and delete our groups all the time and the only way I got around this was to group everything, then use CalcSys to toggle the inGroup value, which hides all groups and programs. Teachers believe that programming allows students to cheat. My question is, does programming our calculator before hand, on our own merit, count as cheating? In my chemistry class, I often made utilities that made chemistry calculations easier. After being initially skeptical of the calculator's ability, my chem teacher became impressed by the software I was making and began distributing the programs to the class online and allowed them to be utilized on tests.
We need to convince teachers that programming is not detrimental, but it can be a great help to in class-activity. The important thing is that my programs in chemistry explained why the calculator was doing what it was doing, not just giving an answer. If we tailor some software toward constructive use in class, teachers will begin to see the value and may clamor for additional programming functionality themselves.
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Maybe there should be more effort into making math/science programs more friendly twords teachers.
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Yeah. My 7th grade teacher asked me to distribute quadform (a quadradic solver) to the whole class. My Alg2 teacher is impressed by my programming. She just doesn't want me to miss stuff, or my grades might drop. I have never had my teachers try to clear my RAM. I guess I'm just lucky. But yeah, I think once the teachers realize that you are still doing the math, it wouldn't be so bad.
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So, we need to dedicate some of our projects to helping classes, and teachers. I am all too ready to launch this effort, if it helps the general community. Who is with me? I will add a teachers section to my own website. I respectfully suggest to the site moderators here that a teacher section be added to the forums and download section, and I will cross-post this to cemetech.
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Quadratic formulas ftw!!!
but seriously, it is a good thought.
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So, we need to dedicate some of our projects to helping classes, and teachers. I am all too ready to launch this effort, if it helps the general community. Who is with me? I will add a teachers section to my own website. I respectfully suggest to the site moderators here that a teacher section be added to the forums and download section, and I will cross-post this to cemetech.
I can contribute some of my own software to this, if we go with it.
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Some teachers will still say no, simple because of cheating. The way a teacher told me, it's okay if I know how to do all of this, but just not on tests, because I might not learn anything. So it's not like your all of a sudden going to change a teacher's mind about anything. I used to have to use another calculator, until I still aced my tests. Familiarity with a calculator is nice, having the fear of programming answers into it is not. I prefer not using programs for stuff like AP Chem.
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What's this talk of a spy? <.</me runs
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Sigh, thank god I learnt that the calc teacher at my school really isnt that bad. she no longer is a Ti worshipper. she actually is quite knowledgeable about calcs in regards to asm. I am going to show her how to program in C later.... with ndless of course :P
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Uhm, Ashbad, why did you sent an e-mail to TI using my e-mail address? ??? ??? ???
I just got the response in my inbox now. ??? Anyway it's the same generic one as someone got a few months ago. I have no clue what you initially said, since the reply doesn't include the quoted text from your e-mail. ???
Dear Ashbad,
Thanks for your feedback from the perspective of the C / ASM programming and development community. We appreciate feedback from all of customers.
At this time, we offer only the programming functionalities that are resident on the TI-Nspire handheld. Please remember that the TI-Nspire is an educational tool. It is designed for the instructional needs of math and science teachers and learners.
However, we will keep your input in mind as we develop future products.
Best Regards
<censored>
Media Relations Manager
Texas Instruments, Education Technology
<censored>@ti.com
X.x How does he have access to your email in the first place?
He probably used an e-mail form on their site and instead of putting his own e-mail address there he put my own.
@Acagliano another issue is that some teachers are tired of seeing students playing games on their calc during classes. However, the thing is that students have played games for over a decade and TI still made programmable calcs. The problem there, however, is that TI made the Nspire so incredibly locked down that even rudimentary math programs were impossible or very hard to do at all. X.x
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I'm sure TI would do whatever teachers ask them to. What if we asked many of our own teachers to ask TI to add better programming utilities to their calculators for "educational purposes". ;) That might convince them to value programming more. We could even have teachers tell TI they want to teach their students programming skills.
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Lol maybe that could work, unless they feared it would allow more games (especially the getkey function).
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Well, my goal here is to do an experiment. My key argument is that the usage of programs on a test, or in class in general, does not profoundly affect the grade in the class. I would like some students, preferably in high school, but college works too, to take test, some using COMPUTATIONAL software (NOT CHEAT NOTES), and others not using it. I would like to enter the results and see if my theory is correct. If so, it will become the chief argument in a letter I plan to distribute to teachers.
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Unfortunately only a third of the students in my math class have programmable calcs.
and only 5 kids in my Chem class...
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Unfortunately only a third of the students in my math class have programmable calcs.
and only 5 kids in my Chem class...
Any number is ok. I'll take what I can get. Ask them if they are willing to do this? The only data I need is: Was software used? Grade on exam? How long it took to finish test?
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ok, next chem test is next month.
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Great. And remember, I need a control group who do not use programs at all.
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Hmmm, interesting.... I dont think I can get many from my school to join. Anyone who DOES bring someone, please be careful not to bring spammers and trolls ;)
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Here is the draft of the letter I will distribute to teachers. Let me know what you guys think:
To the teachers,
It is important for everyone to be brought up to speed on the present situation. The TI-calculator community is composed up of three main groups. They are the teachers, the lay-users, and the programming community. Of those two, the ones that give Texas Instruments the most business are the teachers and the programmers. By encouraging your students to get calculators from Texas Instruments, instead of from its competitor, Casio, you drive sales for TI up enormously. The programming community is the next leading group in terms of business for TI. Whether it be because we have destroyed the programming of our calculator beyond repair, or because we just want to try out new hardware, we also purchase a lot from TI.
I am unaware where the stigma of programming being a hinderance comes from, but it seems to be present in all teachers of the appropriate fields; that programming one's calculator is, not only a waste of time, but also a keen way to cheat on exams. I will grant that many students do not care at all about the merits of calculator programming and use programs to store cheats, but to embrace just this one group of students as the reason "spoils the bunch", so to speak. There are many of us out there who use programming not to cheat, but rather to hone in on one's own skills and to grasp a higher understanding of the topics presented.
First off, let me define a program. A program is a series of instructions given to a computational device that cause it to carry out certain tasks. The nature of a program, when constructed as such, is not to cheat. I have always been taught that the best test of whether or not you understand the material is to see if you can do it yourself. But, what better indication is there that you know the material so well than that you can give a calculator fool-proof instructions on how to carry out a given calculation, have it explain why that calculation was made, and account for margins of error.
If that is not convincing enough, allow me to present this. I myself will admit to having used pre-made programs on tests in the past. Not for reference on information, but merely for computational assistance…the ability to perform multiple calculations at once. On average, I performed the same, if not worse, on the exam, leading me to the conclusion that regardless of what you bring into the test, not even a program can help you if you do not know the material. All the program does is help you answer the question faster, if you already know what to do. I currently have a case study of this underway, in a larger scale, and will present my findings to the community. If you are interested in the result, create an account on my website, http://www.c2prgm.webs.com. That will allow you to view the "Teacher's Section", where the results, and software made for teachers will be placed.
Then, there is the issue of gaming. One of the chief arguments against playing games on calculators that I have heard is that they mess around with the lists (L1 through L6), which are used by the calculator to graph regressions, as well as other system variables. The truth: Very few calculator games actually interfere with important data used in class. In fact, 95% of the games I have reviewed create their own storage locations, and then destroy them once they are no longer needed. This takes away strength from the most powerful downside to games: students play games during class. Well, outlawing games on calculators does not solve the problem, as students will just find other ways to not pay attention. The fact is that you need to trust your students to have the maturity to say "there is a time and a place for everything, and class is not the time for playing games".
I have heard that Texas Instruments holds conventions for teachers, and at these conventions they speak about the programming community. Judging by the industry's treatment of our support requests, it I can assume that their statements about us are negative. Well, here is the truth about TI. TI releases new software that is (1) buggy (means prone to crashes and other errors; in fact the TI-84+ OS 2.55MP is known to have crashed while calculating 1+1.), (2) designed to cause incompatibility with our programs, such as xLib, Omnicalc, and others, and (3) contains no new features. Many members of our community have contacted TI about why they design these new, pointless features, while their older ones still still don't work properly. We have gotten the run-around, links to the documentations that do not address our questions, or just completely ignored. All the while, they claim to support educational advancement.
As if that isn't bad enough, TI has posted takedown orders against several more prominent members of our community, who have reverse-engineered key parts of TI's operating system software. We have used this information to port our own OS software and run it on our own calculators; we have not used this information to edit or redistribute TI's software and claim it as our own. Instead, we use it to fix the mistakes that TI refuses to. Yet that did not stop TI from attacking our members for copyright infringement. To my knowledge, at least one of these cases went to court, and a judge threw out the case. Yet, TI tells you, the teachers of the world, that we have warped priorities. Well, we aren't the ones who spend money filing cases against innocent software developers, instead of producing better equipment.
Signed proudly,
Anthony Cagliano
-TI calculator software designer
-member of omnimaga.org and cemetech.net
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I say A+
I enjoy how you tell the truth and not deny that students play games/ cheat. quite the opposite of ti adding awesome features to new os's :D
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Not bad, a little rough around the edges. Let's see, 6th paragraph, "support requests, it I can" needs to remove the it.
Also, think of it this way. About 1/720 (I think those are the numbers) people can program. It's more or less a mindset. So while it's awesome that you can program, to a teacher, it is a hinderance in their class.
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Pretty nice. There is one word that might be changed:
It is important for everyone to be brought up to speed on the present situation. The TI-calculator community is composed up of three main groups. They are the teachers, the lay-users, and the programming community. Of those three, the ones that give Texas Instruments the most business are the teachers and the programmers. By encouraging your students to get calculators from Texas Instruments, instead of from its competitor, Casio, you drive sales for TI up enormously. The programming community is the next leading group in terms of business for TI. Whether it be because we have destroyed the programming of our calculator beyond repair, or because we just want to try out new hardware, we also purchase a lot from TI.
The quote below might need to be improved, since teachers would likely not be persuaded by it:
The fact is that you need to trust your students to have the maturity to say "there is a time and a place for everything, and class is not the time for playing games".
Still, it seems quite good and persuasive overall.
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Cross-post from Cemetech:
Sadly, I have the feeling that teachers won't listen to this. On top of that, if you show them Cemetech, the first thing they'll see are a shell to play or program mainly games, tools to get Internet on your calc (which they could misinterpret as tools to cheat easier, such as sending your answers to other students in class), and if you show them Omni, games are plastered everywhere, even in the site banner.
I am not too confident that they'll see better programming capabilities as a benefit to education, although I guess it doesn't hurt to suggest new functions such as getkey and try to convince TI that they would allow for better-looking programs.
As for a teacher section I guess it could be an idea, but I do not know if Kerm wants to derail Cemetech from its calc programming and hardware mod focus with school sections. I myself added a math section on my site, following many requests, but I try to keep my game focus, so the section was placed inside a sub-forum.
However, to add to my post, I guess it doesn't hurt to try. We never know.
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....Due to the risks involved, Texas Instruments does not support or recommend modifications to the hardware. Modifications of this type will void the calculator's original warranty, and could result in damage to your calculator or personal injury....
personal injury? D: I didnt realize that ndless was that dangerous!
TI has a valid point there about personal injury--messing with electronics does carry the risk of electric shock, which can potentially result in cardiac arrest and death.
Why do you think teachers ask students to show their work nowadays? As long as you can show how you got from point A to point B and understand what you did, it shouldn't matter whether or not you used a calculator program. But that's just my opinion.
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....Due to the risks involved, Texas Instruments does not support or recommend modifications to the hardware. Modifications of this type will void the calculator's original warranty, and could result in damage to your calculator or personal injury....
personal injury? D: I didnt realize that ndless was that dangerous!
TI has a valid point there about personal injury--messing with electronics does carry the risk of electric shock, which can potentially result in cardiac arrest and death.
Why do you think teachers ask students to show their work nowadays? As long as you can show how you got from point A to point B and understand what you did, it shouldn't matter whether or not you used a calculator program. But that's just my opinion.
True, but there are a bunch of problems in which I cannot go through the steps or else I'll get it horribly wrong.
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Like what?
(I can't quite understand what you're saying for some reason, either)
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Like what?
(I can't quite understand what you're saying for some reason, either)
Calculus. For example, I can find the antiderivative in my head, yet I get horribly confused and wrong when I show the steps.
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Matrix operations, for example. Of course, computers are much better at that sort of thing, but...
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Calculus: I haven't gotten to that level of mathematics (I'm currently in Precalculus II), but I'm sure I would be able to figure out a way to do it.
Matrix: Oh, that's easy to do, if you know the material. And have plenty of room on the paper.
/me loves working with matrices.
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James,
Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.
It’s unfortunate you do not like the speed with which your calculator graphs.
You may be able to increase your graphing response time by changing the Xres to a higher number; whatever number it is set at, try increasing it by 2. The Xres option can be located by pressing the [Window] key.
For additional instruction using a graphing calculator, please visit our knowledge base 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at the URL below:
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The Math Forum @ Drexel is a center for educators, students, parents, and researchers who are interested in math education; visit URL:
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I hope that you find this information helpful. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to send me an email.
Warmest regards,
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Comments: Hello, my name is James Oldiges. I have been an avid follower of your calculators for quite some time now.
For quite some time now, the speed of the graphing has irked me.
The extremely slow graphing speed lost us many questions in our recent academic team meet. The slowest thing the calculator can do is update the screen. So why is the screen updated every frame?
I believe it would be very simple for you guys to change it to update the screen every five frames or so. I guarantee that all of your ti-83+, ti-83+SE, ti-84 pocket, ti-84+, and ti-84+SE owners extremely happy.
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Yay, TI-Cares is completely ignorant, as usual!
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True, the Xres trick works, and I have used it on multiple occasions to speed up graphing, but that destroys graph quality. Asking TI to limit its screen updates, even in an upcoming OS update, is a legitimate request.
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True, the Xres trick works, and I have used it on multiple occasions to speed up graphing, but that destroys graph quality. Asking TI to limit its screen updates, even in an upcoming OS update, is a legitimate request.
Actually with Xres I made a racing game once. It was kinda cool, although it had frame by frame movement rather than continous scrolling.
That said, I heard graphing on the HP-48G was even slower than on TI calcs and Casio Prizm graphing, while being fast, doesn't seem that much more performant than TI when we consider that this calc runs on a much faster CPU.
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The TI-Cares form doesn't even have my OS in the OS drop down menu! I run Ubuntu 10.10 (I'm not getting the new version yet).
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TI Education basically doesn't support Linux (or anything neither Windows nor MacOS X).
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Well at least my dad's computer has XP on it and I have to use that to do all of my calc file transfers.
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I have to use Windows 7 for all my transfers. TiLP keeps yelling at me every time I open it about strange problems
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At least TI responds to e-mails.
I'm still waiting on a reply from casio from an e-mail I sent them :P
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TI's response to most of our questions we want answered though is I'm sorry but we can not ell you that. or you must be mistaken there is no secret programming language on the Nspires.
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Or: No. There is only as much memory on the calculator as is shown. Go away.
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I'll bet TI uses a bot; but everyone already figured it out.
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Now we just have to get htrough the bot to the people who run it and actually ask them questions.
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Now we just have to get htrough the bot to the people who run it and actually ask them questions.
"The following statement is true: the previous statement is false."
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TI's legal department seems to consider all non-public documentation to be proprietary trade secrets.
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TI Education basically doesn't support Linux (or anything neither Windows nor MacOS X).
I don't think they support Mac anymore either. Maybe I am wrong but I don't remember the TI-Connect Mac build being updated anymore.I'll bet TI uses a bot; but everyone already figured it out.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did, considering governments already use them to mail letters to people about how they still owe $0.02 to them.
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Now we just have to get htrough the bot to the people who run it and actually ask them questions.
"The following statement is true: the previous statement is false."
oooh, nice, make a bot explode :D
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TI says hey support Mac.
We will spam the bot with plenty of paradoxes to kill it then send a real message from a seemingly unrelated account
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TI Education basically doesn't support Linux (or anything neither Windows nor MacOS X).
I don't think they support Mac anymore either. Maybe I am wrong but I don't remember the TI-Connect Mac build being updated anymore.I'll bet TI uses a bot; but everyone already figured it out.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did, considering governments already use them to mail letters to people about how they still owe $0.02 to them.
I think TI does have canned responses (every company does), but at least their emails change somewhat based on what you ask :P
Now we just have to get htrough the bot to the people who run it and actually ask them questions.
"The following statement is true: the previous statement is false."
"This statement is false." ;)