Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2006, 03:12:00 am
I recently saw Falldown Ripoff topic and Reflex Revolution topic on MaxCoderz project section. I am starting to get sick to death of how some ppl act on MC. Atm I dunno how but I'll try to get myself banned or ignore every links pointing to MC forums when someone post them otherwise I'll end up doing something very bad here (if you remember what happened with TICALCS2, but much more worse because I doubt MC has flood control enabled), and I would prefer to not have to because tr1p1ea/DarkAuron are staff on MC and I wouldnt like to do this to their forums. I think ppl should stop coming here tho, just check how they are with basic programmers in kalan's project topic and CDI's, they are always making us sound like we are wasting our time and when we try to defend ourself they tell us to calm down and they claim they are nice with us and then they are sarcastic. Great way to support the community as a whole (including all programmers)
I am ranting because this stuff piss me off and I think they should be more supportive. ok we are at Omnimaga and maybe we should just care about Omni comments maybe but I know some ppl on this forum post on MaxCoderz about their projects and it ticks me off to see my staff and members getting either bashed or feel like they are wasting their time after seeing comments on MC. I doubt there is any easy way to end this but I think there should be some kind of rebellion against troublemakers. I dont mean something like getting 2-30 ppl together to spam MC to death during about 1 hour whenever they have free time during one whole day but I was more thinking about boycotting or something like that. When 10 or 12 ppl will announce they are leaving on MC forums and that they can be found on Tifreakware, Omnimaga, Revsoft, etc, and that MC only get like 10 posts per day or less, members will finally realize what they did wrong and try to be more supportive.
And that apply to other forums as well like revsoft because I saw Spencer comment in Elfprince Pure BASIC sprite routine topic over here as well. Nothing better to say than "learn asm". He was doing a BASIC project, we dont care about ASM learning in BASIC programming topics.
And sorry for DarkAuron/tr1p1ea about my ranting, but that need to be said, because thats the truth
those are the most recent topics btw
http://kvince83.tengun.net/maxboard/viewtopic.php?t=1782
http://kvince83.tengun.net/maxboard/viewtopic.php?t=1787 -there is nothing wrong that happened here but I am posting it because everyone seems to be ignoring this project and it seems to happen often over here
http://kvince83.tengun.net/maxboard/viewtopic.php?t=1767
To those who want to continue posting on MC don't listen to ppl here its not worth it, they are just trying to ruin the community
Post by: josephmarin on May 31, 2006, 05:48:00 am
Post by: Spellshaper on May 31, 2006, 05:54:00 am
*sigh*At least that means that there is room for improvements....
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2006, 06:02:00 am
Post by: elfprince13 on May 31, 2006, 07:19:00 am
MaxCoderz is beginng to irritate me.
Kevin do you remember what we talked about on IM after the ticalcs2 incident? I think it might be time to start recruiting for that.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2006, 07:28:00 am
Post by: elfprince13 on May 31, 2006, 08:04:00 am
further discussion of this should occur via PM, IM or email.
Post by: kalan_vod on May 31, 2006, 11:26:00 am
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 31, 2006, 11:28:00 am
At cemetech it isnt much better but only 2 people arent really nice here actually and since its mostly hardware oriented not much ppl post about their new games over here compared to MC
Post by: Radical Pi on May 31, 2006, 12:42:00 pm
Post by: elfprince13 on May 31, 2006, 01:12:00 pm
And I can't see you saying Cemetech is mostly about hardware. Its more a general discussion forum for people involved with Kerm's projects, and other people who just need programming help.
And I guarantee at Cemetech you will never get flamed for using Basic since its home of the B31337.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 01, 2006, 02:40:00 am
but to come back on MC there is something that need to be done, otherwise we will lose lot of great new comers willing to learn BASIC programming or xLIB programming with their comments against BASIC. Some people will tell me that the guy who posted in Kalan's falldown ripoff game topic try to apologise but like usual (yes I know its that because I have been active on MC for about 2 years) it is only to try to make the victim become somewhat happy again and think that person isn't that bad so that person will be able to cause trouble again in the future. That's what troublemakers does, they claim they are sorry while in fact they are just laughing their *** off. We could always ignore them, but they are ruining the community, and I think the community is inactive enough like it is now, we dont need bunch of nice member to vanish again because of troublemakers, there is something that needs to be done about this now. Either boycott them (leave) or fight back
Post by: elfprince13 on June 01, 2006, 07:12:00 am
Post by: kalan_vod on June 01, 2006, 07:18:00 am
Post by: CompWiz on June 01, 2006, 12:10:00 pm
QuoteBegin-CompWiz+-->
| QUOTE (CompWiz) |
| I'm curious as to why you're making this. Is it better than the real falldown? Does it have any features that differentiate it? |
I don't know why kalan found it insulting, but apparently he did when it was not meant to be insulting at all. It was just something I was curious about. My question that stated that I was curious as to why kalan was making the game was just that: idle curiosity. Usually, if I'm going to work on a project that will take up a good amount of time, I have a reason. It could be that the game hasn't been made before, or that I want to add in some features that weren't present in another version of the game. Or maybe I just feel like practicing my Basic making another pong clone or something. When I saw that he took it the wrong way, I apologised and clarified the tone of my initial comment, along with commenting favorably on his work. After many posts of kalan expressing how offended he was, and me apologizing and explaining that he took it the wrong way, he finally answered:
QuoteBegin
| QUOTE |
| the features are more definable level design (size of bars and speed) |
exactly what I was asking about in the first place.
I also did not say QuoteBegin-xlibman+
| QUOTE (xlibman) |
| compwiz seems to have joined the dark side, the side of ppl who keep telling others to learn asm since basic sucks, lot of ppl at mc did that too because they followed the trend |
In fact, I said that "there are places that basic is very well suited for, and that kalan is pushing the boundaries of basic to encompass things that were once only done in asm". I don't see why this has to come to this after just an innocent, misunderstood question. Other people at Max Coderz agree, as you can read in the aforementioned topic.
My real account was also just suspended on this website, with no explanation, and no reason. I haven't even posted on this website for months, and I have not broken any rules. This seems like an abuse of power, IMHO.
My real account was also just suspended on this website, with no explanation, and no reason. I haven't even posted on this website for months, and I have not broken any rules. This seems like an abuse of power, IMHO.
Post by: josephmarin on June 01, 2006, 03:34:00 pm
" So then what you're saying is that BASIC is only suited for text RPGs, and some graphical ones? Its close-mindedness like that that holds back the true potential of any language. Dont say something cant be done in any language, instead, let someone try it, and if they fail dont say "I told you so", say "nice effort". You know what, Kalan? Program to your heart's content. Dont listen to narrow-minded comments like BASIC is only good for text games. And again, im not trying to be rude or anything, but if your gonna say one language is betetr than another and you should only stick to things the language is good at, then i dont wanna hear it...keep it to yourself. But thats just my opinion."
Post by: Ranman on June 01, 2006, 05:42:00 pm
So when a person apologizes, you should forgive that person without holding a grudge. :)
I hope everyone at Omnimaga will be able to forgive and forget. ;)
Post by: josephmarin on June 01, 2006, 06:54:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 02, 2006, 11:45:00 am
The reason why you got suspended is because I saw your posts in Fall down Ripoff thread on MaxCoderz as well as those regarding that basic shouldnt be used for some stuff. Earlier I saw you signed up on Omnimaga, but since Omnimaga is a TI-BASIC and xLIB forum and no comments against BASIC (even the ones you made on MC) are allowed on Omnimaga forums I was afraid taht you would do the same thing on omni than on MC and since I dont want that to happen at all I took pre emptive steps and suspended your account.
Today though I saw your apology in the topic on Omnimaga to kalan_vod, so the ban is gonna be removed. I'll delete the new account you created (this will not delete the post anyway), and unban your previous account.
I am sorry it was a misunderstanding, I was afraid you were trying to make kalan_vod feel like he's wasting his time. I though so because I have been active on MaxCoderz for about 2.5 years (from September 2003 to July 2005 and from January 2006 to March 2006) and I see lot of people do that on the Maxcoderz forums during my time here. I was even victim of this as well (ppl telling me that no one will be interested in my games because they are in basic and people keeping harrasing me telling me to learn ASM every topics or so), and this is one of the reason why I left the forums. I don't like the lack of support towards BASIC programmers on MC, ppl wont let them any chances and arent constructive to them. And this is why I created Omnimaga forums, because I felt we lacked a community place where both asm-lib enhanced BASIC programmers and pure BASIC programmers wouldnt be flamed or harrassed. If those posts were posted on omnimaga forums you would have seen them edited or deleted because we don't want this here. There have been too many people leaving because of the lack of respect in the community towards basic programmers especially.
You are always welcome on Omnimaga forums btw, providing you promise me to not say anything bad about basic programming, people don't like them, and since there have been so much anti-basic flames in the past years in the community people get defensive very fast against basic comments now.
Sorry again for the misunderstandting, thanks for clarifying the meaning of your post on MC. I will never come back on MaxCoderz though, maybe someday I'll post again on UnitedTI but I've seen enough crap happening on MC over the past years, and I know this will continue happening because moderators are not tolerant enough toward flaming and arguments that ends nowhere, so from now on I'll be found on Omnimaga forums
This topic will remains open though, as it isnt necessarly directed toward the fall down ripoff thread
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 02, 2006, 01:53:00 pm
Post by: threefingeredguy on June 04, 2006, 07:16:00 pm
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| QUOTE ("Radical Pi") |
| I decided to not get active there because of the lack of basic discussion |
At revsoft we have many of the same basic posts as MC (like kalan's and elfprince's) except the threads on revsoft contain support and compliments. Just because all of the staff members are ASM programmers, does not mean we do not appreciate basic. I make basic programs all the time. The only reason I don't release them is that my basic programs are no good :P
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. Post by: elfprince13 on June 05, 2006, 12:19:00 am
| QUOTE (threefingeredguy @ Jun 5 2006, 01:16 AM) | ||
| The fact that Spencer said learn ASM should be taken as a very high compliment. Obviously he saw some potential in elfprince. He didn't say basic was bad. QuoteBegin-"Radical Pi"+-->
At revsoft we have many of the same basic posts as MC (like kalan's and elfprince's) except the threads on revsoft contain support and compliments. Just because all of the staff members are ASM programmers, does not mean we do not appreciate basic. I make basic programs all the time. The only reason I don't release them is that my basic programs are no good :P . |
I have always appreciated the revsoft staff for being supportive of my projects. and as tr1p1ea pointed out in the last post of the falldown ripoff thread, for the most part maxcoderz is made up of good guys who dont understand why their forum is disliked. It really only takes a few bad apples to ruin a website's reputation.
Post by: Liazon on June 05, 2006, 09:17:00 am
| QUOTE (threefingeredguy @ Jun 5 2006, 01:16 AM) |
| The fact that Spencer said learn ASM should be taken as a very high compliment. Obviously he saw some potential in elfprince. He didn't say basic was bad. |
I have to say though, elfprince13 certainly has made substansial progress in the past couple weeks on ASM. Probably faster than me, eh 3FG? ;)
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 05, 2006, 09:42:00 am
Actually if I was to come back on a forum tomorrow besides Omnimaga and its affiliates it would be UTI, as it is the most supportive forum toward ti basic (even though they dislike asm tools), next would be revsoft. I will not ever come back on MaxCoderz
EDIT: I saw tr1p1ea last post now, I dunno why but if I had to pm a mod to report a post I think I would PM him because he's quite active on the forums and he seems to be one of the few who understand how ppl feel more than other members. Thats not all mc members who are "elitist tenagers" or whatever you call them, only a bunch. There is lot of cool people over their forums (altough a few of them are at Omnimaga too now)
Post by: Liazon on June 06, 2006, 03:05:00 am
i wish they could help me become 1337. at least you guys have done a lot for me and I'm grateful.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 11, 2006, 03:15:00 am
It seems like UTI is slowly becoming like some of the maxcoderz regulars
http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=5372&st=0
this is stuff like this that make me angry, especially post like this http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=5372&view=findpost&p=83657
And this alerady happened on Cemetech and MC forums. I wish we had more experienced asm programmers over here and nice ones, that way asm newbies and even n00bs would not have to go to those place to get help and risk of getting bashed pretty hard. You never know if a new member may be sensitive or not, plus imo de-n00bing someone by bashing him isnt the best solution, instead help him nicely to help himself to figure out problems easier in his programs
Post by: elfprince13 on July 11, 2006, 03:40:00 pm
Post by: kalan_vod on July 11, 2006, 06:21:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 12, 2006, 12:54:00 am
Post by: kalan_vod on July 12, 2006, 05:42:00 am
| QUOTE (xlibman @ Jul 12 2006, 06:54 AM) |
| who is Kenny Hammond? |
Weregoose.
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 12, 2006, 12:43:00 pm
Post by: threefingeredguy on July 13, 2006, 08:06:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 14, 2006, 10:54:00 am