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Calculator Community => Other Calculators => Topic started by: Ashbad on December 15, 2010, 08:04:55 pm
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What should I get BASED COMPLETELY OFF OF PROGRAMMIBILITY:
1.TI-89T
2.TI-Nspire
3.Wait for Casio Prizm
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i vote 3
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I'd say the 89T. It has C and ASM support (with grayscale).
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What should I get BASED COMPLETELY OFF OF PROGRAMMIBILITY:
1.TI-89T
2.TI-Nspire
3.Wait for Casio Prizm
The Prizm will be the best long term bet. The 89Ti is the best short term bet.
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3. Why?
-Because the TI-89T community seems almost dead, even more than Casio. It would be nice to have new 68K coders, but it sucks if nobody can try your programs because almost no one use 68Ks anymore, not to mention maybe TI could discontinue the entire line.
-While the TI-Nspire is opened to ASM and C dev, it would also be nice to see what can be done on the Prizm and with the Nspire you'll constantly fight against TI locking down new OSes so Ndless doesn't work with them.
-The Prizm is cheaper.
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2. Ok I'm biased.
The TI-Nspire offers interesting HW, and we need development skills to explore it.
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between two and three, I always wanted a 68k calc but they have almost no userbase anymore O.o
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I remember back when the 68K POTY had to be split in half because there were way too many program releases. THis drastically changed after 2005.
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Yeah, it's too bad. IMO the 89T was the better calc :(
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imo i'd take the Nspire (my dad received it =p , I just need to see my dad :p), though I don't know C and ARM ASM. That's an opportunity to learn a new programming language :D
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Well, I'm getting a TI-84 Plus SE, because I lack one. As that's not an option...
I'd go with an 89T though, simply because the 89T series is probably the one that will get killed by TI the soonest. Prizm is new; Nspire is new too. Even though the 68k community is dead, while you can still get the calc I'd suggest taking the opportunity. Even if you don't program it- there's a large amount of already released stuff for 68ks.
The only reason it might be advantageous to get an Nspire now is because future versions might be more locked down than they already are.
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true, that's true: let's take an advantage on Ti and buy Nspires now!! ;D ;D
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If i could get one, it would be a blue or black 84PSE with the extra RAM pages ;D
In your case, I'd go for the prizm.
And on the topic of christmas, see you in two weeks next year :P
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I'm glad you're getting a 84 again TC01. Does this means you will develop z80 stuff again soon? :D
And on the topic of christmas, see you in two weeks next year :P
Aw no internet for you either? Darn, so many people around here got no internet access at home. X.x See you next year!
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I'm glad you're getting a 84 again TC01. Does this means you will develop z80 stuff again soon? :D
Hopefully. I plan to at least use all the new z80 stuff that's been developed since the summer.
I don't really have any ideas as to what I'd make yet though.
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Cool, I hope you get some ideas eventually. :D
I felt a bit sad because you created cool 68K stuff, but barely anyone could use it because so few 68K users are around anymore. :(
The 68K scene kinda reminds me of the TI-86 scene 3 years before the 86 got discontinued, now.
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Mmmmm Prizmy goodness.... I mean uh... I'd get the Prizm... =)
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I wouldn't get the Prizm, I like the old-fashioned greyscale calculators :)
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Personally, if I had to choose between the 89T and the Prizm and I had no other calc, I would be tempted by the Prizm, unless I needed more functions, because the TI-89T is incredibly expensive. The Prizm is the exact same price as a 83+. I would probably choose a 83+ over the Prizm, though, because it has so many more games and programs. It's also cool to program stuff into limitations.
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I would choose the prizm, but I didn't get it.
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If I asked for a calc on Christmas, I would not even have been able to get a Prizm because only me in my family buys stuff online and the Prizm is not sold anywhere here yet.
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What should I get BASED COMPLETELY OFF OF PROGRAMMIBILITY:
1.TI-89T
2.TI-Nspire
3.Wait for Casio Prizm
Next christmas choose HP 50g ;) :
* On ARM9 processor (SAMSUNG S3C2410X 32-Bit RISC) @ 75Mhz (with possibility of 192 MHz).
* On the possibility of programming in UsrRPL, SystemRPL, ML, ARM assembly and C/C++ (HPGCC), PASCAL (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48/browse_thread/thread/d81699545ee7d0e8).
* Because of its high storage capacity with SD (< = 2Gb.).
* Because of the possibility of connecting to other devices via the miniUSB port, serial and IRDA.
* On the possibility of using an external power source or battery charger, miniUSB (Motorola V3; iPAQ 910c, etc ...).
* Too, on the possibility of using an external device, such as The HP StreamSmart (Data Logger) ... http://www.educalc.net/1518486.page
* For the variety of programs embedded in the site of Eric Rechlin ... www.hpcalc.org
* For up to a leading brand, not only in personal computers, but on other devices and instruments that are made compatible, and also serve to test IC and ports.
* CAS is more flexible: http://ourl.ca/8336/175080.
* Takes a series of related equations and allows you to interactively solve them by inputting unknowns (with full support for units) in a way half as nice as the multiple equation solver built into the 50g.
* Turns the device into a professional land surveying tool, with full support for connecting to 60K$US GPS receivers, 30K$US robotic total stations, full support for geoid calculations (requires about 20MB of storage per datum) and can graph 7000 data points with layers, description based linework in 100 milisconds. Granted, this is one company (http://pssllc.com) but there are at least 7 other companies selling *professional* software for land surveyors. I don't think there is a single company out there selling *professional* software that a large number of people choose over other options avaiiable because it is better.
* For these reasons and others more reliability and endurance, were the only ones that circled the earth in NASA projects (see ... http://hpinspace.wordpress.com/2009/07/).
* calculator benchmark: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=700 and http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=1002.
* My €0.01 about TI89T vs HP 50g. Where is the 1/X key on a TI89T? HP 50g has 1/X.
As an engineer student, I use 1/X alot. I find it hard to belive that TI didn't include this key and I view it as a design flaw. Sure you can divide into "1" all the time, but thats such a bother compared to the HP calc way.
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For a start, it's no news at all that the CAS of the 49G+/50G is better than that of TI-68k calcs in multiple areas...
But hey, cool down ;)
The tone and structure of your posts make you sound as a fanboy. This one is a long list of arguments with lots of links, most of which are true but irrelevant to the current discussion, or just look like ignorance and/or bad faith, starting with the number of languages (guess what TI-68k calculators can be programmed in more languages than you quote for the 50G) and the breadth of programs (ticalc.org has many more programs than hpcalc.org has).
This is not the way you're going to succeed in convincing people to switch to your favorite brand of calculators. Just sayin' ;)
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For a start, it's no news at all that the CAS of the 49G+/50G is better than that of TI-68k calcs in multiple areas...
IMHO, the CAS of HP 49g+/50g is slightly higher than the cas of TI-68k calcs.
But hey, cool down ;)
The tone and structure of your posts make you sound as a fanboy.
Mine is just a suggestion!
This one is a long list of arguments with lots of links, most of which are true but irrelevant to the current discussion, or just look like ignorance and/or bad faith, starting with the number of languages (guess what TI-68k calculators can be programmed in more languages than you quote for the 50G)
You better not bet on this subject! :D
and the breadth of programs (ticalc.org has many more programs than hpcalc.org has).
No one has posted the opposite!
This is not the way you're going to succeed in convincing people to switch to your favorite brand of calculators. Just sayin' ;)
I repeat, mine is just a suggestion. ;)
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Yeah I agree with Lionel, not to mention many people here reported the HP 50g and older calcs are hard to use compared to TI and Casio calcs (except obviously the TI-Nspire). Just because you find it easy to use doesn't mean it's as easy for everyone else to get used to it. Thinking otherwise would be narrow-minded. Besides, TI calcs got a RPN language called FastRPL, and nobody use it because they found RPN to be a major PITA to get used to. Since most people here are Axe Parser and TI-83+ BASIC fans, I doubt they would get an HP if that calc has no TI-83/86/98/Casio-BASIC-like language.
Also Omnimaga is a TI/Casio forum oriented towards game development, not math. If you joined Omnimaga just to boast about how the HP-50g is much better than other calcs like you did on Casiocalc.org, you will be banned for fanboy-ism and trolling pretty fast. We do not want calculator brand wars here. Casiocalc may allow them, but it doesn't mean we'll do so at the expense of keeping our members/getting new ones. Same thing would happen if someone started bashing TI-83+ calcs and saying the 89T is much better unless the person asked which one is better.
http://www.casiocalc.org/?act=findpost&hl=&pid=49377
http://www.casiocalc.org/?act=findpost&hl=&pid=49221
http://www.casiocalc.org/?act=findpost&hl=&pid=49210
http://www.casiocalc.org/?act=findpost&hl=&pid=49206
In any case, the HP-50g is the last calc I would suggest to anyone who wants to develop games for, simply because almost nobody would give them feedback on their games. There is simply no 50g game development community online and almost no 50g games available.
Also, especially since you have less than 50 posts, do not be rude to other members like you did in your first post. I'm not saying other members are allowed to, but when you do so in your first posts it gives a bad impression of you. it is recommended that you check the date of the last post before posting, when the original poster just asked a question, to avoid necro-posting.
If you are willing to contribute to TI/Casio programming discussions without pushing HP-50g calcs almost every post like on Casiocalc.org, then welcome here.
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IMHO, the CAS of HP 49g+/50g is slightly higher than the cas of TI-68k calcs.
As I wrote, it's not just you: it was publicly shown at least six years ago.
starting with the number of languages (guess what TI-68k calculators can be programmed in more languages than you quote for the 50G)
You better not bet on this subject! :P
I've been in the TI community for nearly 10 years ;)
I'm standing by the statement I made in my previous post, re-ordered and re-worded for clarity: if the HP-50G can be programmed only with the languages you quoted, then the choice of languages for programming TI-68k models is wider than for the HP-50G.
and the breadth of programs (ticalc.org has many more programs than hpcalc.org has).
No one has posted the opposite!
Sure, but then, your usage of "For the variety of programs embedded in the site of Eric Rechlin ... www.hpcalc.org" as an argument for the HP-50G is arguably strange ;)
Anyhow, I think you got my the message here. Even if you say that you meant them as suggestions, by the post I was replying to, and even more so by the other one (usage of "ahahah" and ":P" - which means "hey look, your calculator can't do that but mine can do it, nyark nyark"), you can give the impression to others that you're a fanboy. I'm no moderator, just another board user educating you against the possible consequences of having posts not unlike posts made by Microsoft/Apple/Linux/whatever fanboys ;)
[EDIT after seeing DJ's post: oh, I see, we definitely seem to have a fanboy here, given that someone going by the same handle is posting the same kind of content on other message boards...]
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* Which and how many programming languages are supported by the TI-68K calulators?
* It is also not important only the amount of programs! On http://www.casiocalc.org/to/index.php there are fewer programs than www.ticalc.org (and also www.hpcalc.org), however IMHO Casio calcs are better than TI calcs. That said, there are programs for the HP 50g, which do not exist for Casio and TI, just one example:
GraphWriter
http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag/hp49/hp49.php
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48/browse_frm/thread/24653459a587688c/a2ce1d7ff2249ae4#a2ce1d7ff2249ae4
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=5056
this program emphasizes the power of list processing of the User and System RPL.
* Ease of use is a subjective thing.
* Is to be fanboy make a suggestion and write opinions?
* I like to show that HP calcs have nothing to envy in relation to competitors, apart from a screen with higher resolution.
IMHO:
ClassPad is the best for graphics as I wrote here: http://www.casiocalc.org/index.php?showtopic=4879&view=findpost&p=49210.
TI cals are the best for teaching.
HP calcs are the best for the engineering.
What should I get BASED COMPLETELY OFF OF PROGRAMMIBILITY:
1.TI-89T
2.TI-Nspire
3.Wait for Casio Prizm
Regarding the programmability IMHO the HP 50g beats TI and CASIO competitors, tout court:
HP Basic
UserRPL
SystemRPL
PASCAL
HPLua
Saturn assembly
ARM assembly
C
C++
Why can not I also suggest the HP 50g and justify this choice with a variety of topics?
Obviously the HP 50g can be programmed for the games but there is not much interest compared to other calculators with higher resolution screen!
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TI calcs are the best for teaching.
HP calcs are the best for the engineering.
I agree on this :)
My father is still using an HP-41.
Is to be fanboy make a suggestion and write opinions?
Hmm. I've already seen, in arguments taking place over the Internet, people accused of fanboyism because the shape of their posts made other people read them as such, defending by pretending merely making suggestions / writing opinions. The most hated person in the TI community is well known to do exactly that. Using a known fanboy defense may not help you clearing the initial impression of fanboyism that you gave us ;)
Regarding the programmability IMHO the HP 50g beats TI and CASIO competitors, tout court:
Your initial list of six languages can be matched up with
TI-BASIC
ETP-Basic
GFA-Basic (a BASIC from another architecture)
Newprog
68000 ASM (on computer and on-calc)
C (on computer and on-calc)
On the more anecdotal and/or experimental side, let's mention multiple forms of Brainfuck, several Java-inspired languages (I remember of Moka and Waba), Pascal, Lua.
C++ can be done on the 68000, but nobody does it because it's easy for trivial (from the users' POV) C++ code to end up making multi-kilobyte-sized self-contained binaries and lots of code duplication. For example, streams.
But whatever. You're free to participate in this community as long as you're not trying to trigger flames :)
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Yeah I agree with Lionel. The problem is that you seemed to praise the 50g as if it was the only calc that was good and that everyone should quit making 83+ games and move to the 50g.
That said the 50g has extremly high specs. 203 MHz processor, right? I wish HP did a better effort at marketting their calc, to try breaking TI's monopoly. In Quebec they don't even sell HP calcs at all and I checked on Ebay and they're rare. If they were easier to find, maybe a bit more people would still code for them. Personally, though, if there's no equivalent to TI-BASIC on the HP calc (that use algebraic system instead of RPN), I would never program for HP, though.
Also one thing I want to point out: I am not gonna praise TI calcs here. Many people hate Texas Instruments because of their practices. However, you have to accept the fact the following realities:
1) Most people here are from America, where CAS are banned from most tests. Automatically, the HP-50G, TI-89T, Classpad and TI-Nspire CAS are out. As a result, most people own a TI-83 Plus, TI-84 Plus, TI-Nspire, FX-9860G or FX-cg10.
2) Omnimaga is a game development site. Most people here buys calcs primarly for games, not for math. There are even 12 years old who buys a TI-83 Plus. There are even people who own several graphing calculators to be able to play games on all of them. If you haven't noticed, Omnimaga forums only have one single section devoted to maths and science. Of course if someone asks suggestions on what calc to buy for Christmas you should suggest what fits his needs best. If someone wants a CAS, suggest the 50g. But if someone asks which calc should he get based on programmability and userbase, it can be different.
3) Why would somebody bother spending months working on a HP-50G game that only 2 or 3 people in the world will ever play through, when its TI-83 Plus counterpart, despite running slower, will get 100 downloads per month?
Anyway, when you bring up your opinion about calcs, try to do it in a way that doesn't sound like you're attempting to start an inter-community flame war. Saying things such as "TI-89T sucks, HP-50G is much better" and defending the 50g or the 89t as if they were flawless is fanboy-ism. Earlier it sounded like these PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs Nintendo Wii or PSP vs DS wars. There's a difference between stating your opinion and trolling. So far you don't have a good start in Omnimaga community, with a Total post rating of -6. When someone has negative rating or a low rating:postcount ration it is a sign that the person needs to change something in his forum attitude to remain here. Also, understand that Omnimaga is not a general calculator help community: it's a calc hacking community.
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I wonder which one I'll get in -53 days (christmas 2010)
well thats -1272 hours to think... I'm feeling a bit rushed...
I'll go with the unreleased casio prizm (at least unreleashed in 2010)!
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Btw did you ever get your Prizm?
Also I wouldn't mind getting a HP-50g or even a 49g, to increase my calc collection, but the very few times I see them on Ebay they're like $200 when the seller ships outside USA...
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$200??? HP 50g is less expensive than the TI89T/V200:
http://www.amazon.com/HP-Graphing-Calculator-F2229AA-ABA/dp/B000GTPRPS (http://www.amazon.com/HP-Graphing-Calculator-F2229AA-ABA/dp/B000GTPRPS)
http://commerce.hpcalc.org/50g.php (http://commerce.hpcalc.org/50g.php)
http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/calculator/Scientific/1/storefronts/F2229AA%2523ABA (http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/calculator/Scientific/1/storefronts/F2229AA%2523ABA)
http://www.calculatorsource.com/hp-50g.html (http://www.calculatorsource.com/hp-50g.html)
http://dynatech.de/produkte/produkt.php?prod=4143 (http://dynatech.de/produkte/produkt.php?prod=4143)
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=hp+50g+calculator&_sacat=0&_stpos=36061&_sop=15&gbr=1&_odkw=hp+50g+calculator&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 (http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=hp+50g+calculator&_sacat=0&_stpos=36061&_sop=15&gbr=1&_odkw=hp+50g+calculator&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313)
http://shop.ebay.ca/i.html?LH_AvailTo=2&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A4194&rt=nc&_nkw=HP+50g+calculator&_dmpt=Laptop_Batteries&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=15&_sc=1 (http://shop.ebay.ca/i.html?LH_AvailTo=2&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A4194&rt=nc&_nkw=HP+50g+calculator&_dmpt=Laptop_Batteries&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=15&_sc=1)
Useful software to create games on HP 50g:
Blocks Master
https://sites.google.com/site/blocksmaster/ (https://sites.google.com/site/blocksmaster/)
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=7178 (http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=7178)
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=7072 (http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=7072)
CAD49
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6289 (http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6289)
grayscale system - Open Fire
http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~manjo/openfire/ (http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~manjo/openfire/)
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6134 (http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=6134)
cgrobedit
http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=7033 (http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=7033)
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-Last time I checked Amazon.com, I got an error telling me they don't sell calculator electronics in Canada and I had to use Amazon.CA instead. That version of the site, however, doesn't have any HP 50g for sale.
-Hpcalc.org Thanks for the link. However their shipping charges in Canada are RIDICULOUS! $26, what the fuck? Anyway, total = $156, which is $50 lower than what a TI-89T costs in Canada brand new including taxes.
-I'll check your other links later.