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Calculator Community => Other Calculators => Topic started by: Ashbad on December 13, 2010, 05:07:17 pm

Title: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Ashbad on December 13, 2010, 05:07:17 pm
well?  :angel:
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: jnesselr on December 13, 2010, 05:08:25 pm
Only two options?  Well, then, if they can only be two, I'd choose Axe and Basic. (Although z80 is about even if I can ever got insanely good at it.)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Builderboy on December 13, 2010, 05:08:50 pm
Only able to select a max of two options? :(
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Ashbad on December 13, 2010, 05:08:56 pm
I prefer z80 asm and axe brainf*ck axe :)

EDIT: only 2 options, pick your 2 favorite languages
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: SirCmpwn on December 13, 2010, 05:09:16 pm
I think he's looking for your favorite option.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Ashbad on December 13, 2010, 05:09:53 pm
^ best 2 options, exactly ;)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: SirCmpwn on December 13, 2010, 05:12:41 pm
Ah, I see.  Because I, for one, know how to program in every language mentioned for z80 devices.  ;)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Ashbad on December 13, 2010, 05:13:15 pm
same for me, though I not like BBC basic much...
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Builderboy on December 13, 2010, 05:14:03 pm
I did some programming in BBC, but i find it terribly hard to work with, not to mention a hassle to even run x.x
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: SirCmpwn on December 13, 2010, 05:14:29 pm
Yeah, I don't like BBC Basic that much, although it is quite cool looking.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: c.sprinkle on December 13, 2010, 05:15:54 pm
Axe for games, BASIC for math, DCS Libs BASIC if I want an extra challenge in BASIC, but no ASM because I can't use .exes on my Mac. :(
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: ztrumpet on December 13, 2010, 05:16:36 pm
Basic and Axe all the way for me. O0
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: SirCmpwn on December 13, 2010, 05:16:44 pm
I use Axe for math, what are you talking about?  And ASM for graphing!
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: AngelFish on December 13, 2010, 05:17:11 pm
Axe and BASIC. ASM is cool, but it's a pain to do anything really high level in it. Axe makes it much easier to do those things.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Ashbad on December 13, 2010, 05:17:56 pm
I use Axe for math, what are you talking about?  And ASM for graphing!

And brainf*ck to make 3D engines like nostromo, that's me at least.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Builderboy on December 13, 2010, 05:18:05 pm
I used Axe for maths when i needed to do over 9000 operations for a statistics experiment 8) The teacher was confident we couldn't just run a program on the calc because it would take too long to get a good estimate >:D
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: yunhua98 on December 13, 2010, 05:19:47 pm
lol nice.  >:D  now imagine if your teacher saw the fractal explorer or learned about ASM and Mimas/Axe, instant Calc Ban.  ;D
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: SirCmpwn on December 13, 2010, 05:20:38 pm
Very nice!  I use Axe for graphing actually.  GraphX is nowhere near release, but I put the equation on the top of the source code, and when my friends are 30 seconds (at best) from a complicated graph of inequalities, I get a much better quality one in the time it takes to recompile and run GraphX (displaying the graph takes mere moments).
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: yunhua98 on December 13, 2010, 05:21:52 pm
oh, yeah, I voted for Axe and Basic.  ;)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 13, 2010, 05:25:22 pm
There was a time where one of my favorite option would have been hybrid BASIC. However, I found xLIB to be a major hassle to use because the command syntax is too long to remember. It was awesome, though. Now it's more pure-BASIC (although Illusiat 13 used a little ASM lib to run archived programs) and Axe. I like Axe because the syntax is similar to TI-BASIC in many cases so it took me less time to get used to it. It's also not too hard to use except some of the lower level stuff.

For now my favorites in order would be Axe, TI-BASIC then hybrid-TI-BASIC. I need to learn ASM eventually, though, now that I understand a few memory stuff, thanks to Axe. I may not do huge things in it, though, because some very simple things requires insane amount of lines of code and huge games are apparently hard to debug. I also need to give Doors CS7 BASIC libs a try one day.

I feel that all languages can do amazing things. We just have to look at everything that got featured on ticalc.org and a lot of other games that came out.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: calcdude84se on December 13, 2010, 07:12:38 pm
Agreed, DJ.
z80 ASM and BASIC here. BASIC for math things and quick programs and z80 ASM for most else :)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Yeong on December 13, 2010, 07:13:09 pm
BASIC
(Yeong is not familiar with Axe yet and not even tried ASM)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: FinaleTI on December 13, 2010, 07:15:34 pm
Hybrid BASIC and Axe for me. I'm pretty good with Pure BASIC, but I just love Hybrid.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Yeong on December 13, 2010, 07:16:16 pm
what is brainf thingy?
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: willrandship on December 13, 2010, 07:38:40 pm
I wish I could have voted BBC basic, but it would have been a lie :P It looks really nice, but so few people actually use it that it's a lot harder to figure out how it works.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on December 13, 2010, 11:49:45 pm
I said BASIC/ Hybrid BASIC. I haven't messed with or am not familiar enough with any of the others. =D
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 13, 2010, 11:55:03 pm
Axe and BASIC. ASM would have been my third choice. Haven't done hybrid in two years :o Never tried BBC, unfortunately.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 14, 2010, 03:25:02 am
I think one thing that didn't help BBC Basic was the on-calc editor. If it used something like the BASIC one, it would probably have gotten as much popularity as Axe.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Builderboy on December 14, 2010, 03:31:09 am
Yeah probably, although the fact that you also need a large App in order to play it (and that you have to enter command line in order to play) probably didn't help either D:
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: calcdude84se on December 14, 2010, 07:55:49 am
Did you know that BBC Basic is actually a pre-existing language? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_BASIC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_BASIC)
Yeah, it hasn't caught on for calcs, though. :(
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: willrandship on December 14, 2010, 09:49:50 am
The command-line based editor scared many away, but I think it was actually quite smooth. Unfortunately, there was no way to write an IDE in BBC Basic for it since the List command had a return function at the end of it :'( My guess is, though, that DocDE could probably read and write to the files. They're most likely still in ASCII Text.

And yeah. What would be sweet would be to port all the thousands of BBC Micro (about C64 quality) games to our calcs :P
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: aeTIos on December 14, 2010, 09:51:20 am
omg
that would be >9000 years of work :P
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: willrandship on December 14, 2010, 10:04:30 am
Unless we made a converting program. All that needs changing, if we run it with BBC Basic for z80, is sprite coordinates/size/color and other small, hardware specific things.
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: aeTIos on December 14, 2010, 10:07:30 am
yes, like as with calc84maniac's ti-boy se program
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: Builderboy on December 14, 2010, 02:10:21 pm
Actually there could be a way to write an IDE if you wrote directly to the program files themselves, but you would have to write the IDE normally, and that scared me away from writing one in the first place :P
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: calcdude84se on December 14, 2010, 05:02:12 pm
They're most likely still in ASCII Text.
Actually, they are tokenized, so an editor will have to be more complicated. ;)
Title: Re: What do you prefer to program in on z80 calcs?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 15, 2010, 12:29:09 am
Did you know that BBC Basic is actually a pre-existing language? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_BASIC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_BASIC)
Yeah, it hasn't caught on for calcs, though. :(
Yeah I know. Benryves tried to keep the calc version as true to the original as possible. This probably explains the program editor provided with the APP.