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Calculator Community => Other Calculators => Topic started by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 01:51:14 pm

Title: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 01:51:14 pm
It seems that over the years, TI and Casio took different leads on different points. Here's a compilation of accomplishments or stunts each companies made in the calc world:

v Accomplishment/Brand >TICasioHP
1st graphing calc1990 1985 1987
1st color screen calc2011 1995 ?
1st native grayscale calc2007Never?
1st backlighted screen20112009?
1st screen bigger than 96x6419921993?
1st screen bigger than 128x6419952003?
1st screen bigger than 38400 pixels20072010?
1st calc with at least 20 KB of user RAM19921993 1990 (?)
1st calc with at least 1 MB of user RAM2007Never?
1st calc with user Flash memory19981999?
1st calc with at least 1 MB of user Flash200120032003
1st calc to purposely support ASM19961999?
1st calc to unnoficially support ASM19921999?
1st calc that can natively go higher than 16 MHz20072005?
1st calc that can natively go higher than 29 MHz20072010?
1st calc that can natively go higher than 100 MHz2007Never**?
1st calc with CAS support19951998?

F***ing S*** that should never have happened
1st calc to officially stop supporting ASM20072003*?
1st calc to purposely lock ASM dev2007Never?
1st calc to self-destruct2011*Never (?)?
*Eventually fixed
**Comes pretty close

If anyone knows more info about HP calcs feel free to post it, same if any of the years above is incorrect or if you got more points to add (that were done, intentionally or unintentionally, by the company themselves, not the users, so no "1st quadratic solver release", please). :)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 01:57:12 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on June 13, 2012, 01:51:14 pm
v Accomplishment/Brand >TICasioHP
1st calc higher than 100 MHz2007Never?
You can almost clock the prizm that high i think highest stable is 96
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: Hayleia on June 13, 2012, 02:00:35 pm
This compilation is a good idea :) You could also add colors, like put a year in green when the brand wins or in red when it loses, like this:

v Accomplishment/Brand >TICasioHP
1st color screen calc2011 1995 ?
1st native grayscale calc2007Never?
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: aeTIos on June 13, 2012, 02:01:51 pm
Dafuq, native grayscale?
Also IMO things that are good for us and are first should be green and if it is first and not good it should be red.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:06:57 pm
Yeah I added an asterisk to denote that, along with a few others. Also updated screen larger than 128x64 because I forgot about the FX-9700GE and the TI-85 (how could I do the latter? <_<)

Also yes the TI-Nspire Clickpad supported grayscale natively (15 shades of gray, which is actually 16 but two are identical so it makes it 15), unlike previous models which were monochrome
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:10:48 pm
The TI-85 was released in 1993, and had a 128x64 screen. So, by "1st screen bigger than 96x64," TI should have 1993, not 1995. It was also the first to unofficially support assembly and have at least 20KB of RAM, so TI should have 1993 by "1st calc to unofficially support ASM" and "1st calc with at least 20KB of user RAM." Also, the TI-83+/84+SE released in 2004 had 2 MB of Flash, and the 89 Titanium/Voyage 200 had 4 MB (1.5MB and 2.7MB user respectively). The TI-83+SE was released in 2001, so "1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash" should be 2001 for TI, not 2007. HP's first calc with at least 20KB of user RAM was released in 1990 (HP-48GX, 128KB), maybe sooner. The HP 49G+, released in 2003, was the first HP calc with flash and at least 1 MB.
Another field to see is "1st calc with a CAS:" 1995 for TI.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:12:45 pm
Could you do the highliting on who was first? would make it a little easier to look through it
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: aeTIos on June 13, 2012, 02:15:06 pm
Hm I really need to buy the whole TI-8x series and the ti-73 (which is super cool :D)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:15:53 pm
I really need enough money to buy that much
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:24:46 pm
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:10:48 pm
The TI-85 was released in 1993, and had a 128x64 screen. So, by "1st screen bigger than 96x64," TI should have 1993, not 1995. It was also the first to unofficially support assembly and have at least 20KB of RAM, so TI should have 1993 by "1st calc to unofficially support ASM" and "1st calc with at least 20KB of user RAM." Also, the TI-83+/84+SE released in 2004 had 2 MB of Flash, and the 89 Titanium/Voyage 200 had 4 MB (1.5MB and 2.7MB user respectively). The TI-83+SE was released in 2001, so "1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash" should be 2001 for TI, not 2007. HP's first calc with at least 20KB of user RAM was released in 1990 (HP-48GX, 128KB), maybe sooner. The HP 49G+, released in 2003, was the first HP calc with flash and at least 1 MB.
Another field to see is "1st calc with a CAS:" 1995 for TI.
If you notice the post edit, you will see I fixed the 85 part btw (Although the 85 came out in 1992, not 93 http://www.ticalc.org/basics/calculators/ )

Also the 84+ has 1.54 MB of user flash. 2 MB is the total, but the list displays user's accessible memory only.

Anyway thanks for the other correction :)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on June 13, 2012, 02:26:24 pm
1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash should be the Ti-83+ SE (2001) for TI right?
1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash should be the Classpad 300 (2003) for Casio (unless there was something before this?).

I may edit this post if I find more.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:29:46 pm
Also, what's with the self-destructing calculators?
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:31:40 pm
TI-Nspire series, when upgraded to 3.0.1
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:31:44 pm
well 2011 is CX I think so maybe it refers to the failure that was 3.0
EDIT: ninja'd
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:33:31 pm
Wait was it OS 3.0 or 3.0.1? I  thought it started happening when people upgraded their calcs to 3.0.1 without TNOC, then bs happened...
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:34:29 pm
I don't think TNOC affected it. I'm not sure if it was 3.0 or 3.0.1 I thought it was 3.0 sinc I assumed the extra .1 was the fix OS
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:35:22 pm
You should change the text to "1st calculator to get bricked" then. However, you can brick older TI calculators...
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:36:09 pm
first calc to get bricked by manufacturer
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:37:31 pm
Quote from: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:34:29 pm
I don't think TNOC affected it. I'm not sure if it was 3.0 or 3.0.1 I thought it was 3.0 sinc I assumed the extra .1 was the fix OS
When you used TNOC, it actually fixed the issue. The problem was the calc's Boot2 or something.

And I wanted to put that but I thought I would make it a bit more humoristicalc. :P
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:38:43 pm
The only thing though is that it wasn't the CX that was affected it was the old touchpad/clickpads that got bricked.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:40:13 pm
You could also add "1st graphing calc," which is 1990 for TI, 1985 for Casio, and 1987 for HP.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:41:15 pm
And if you do coloring(you should) the first place should be green last place red and middle can be just regular text

EDIT: 2000 POSTS!!!!111!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:41:35 pm
How could I forget that one? O.O
Quote from: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:38:43 pm
The only thing though is that it wasn't the CX that was affected it was the old touchpad/clickpads that got bricked.
I thought the CX did too?
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:42:33 pm
no it was during install and all the cX's had it preinstalled so there was no way it would affect them(not sure if a reinstall might have bricked them though)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:43:26 pm
Ah ok so it was OS 3.0 then? I totally forgot what was the first 3.x OS lol
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:44:06 pm
i think it was 3.0 but I'm not completely sure
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:45:06 pm
As for the f***ing s*** that should have never happened, red for first, green for last, and in the middle, regular black.
Also, I'm not sure about the first HP graphing calculator.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 02:45:56 pm
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:45:06 pm
As for the f***ing s*** that should have never happened, red for first, green for last, and in the middle, regular black.
I agree with that
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: Juju on June 13, 2012, 02:46:07 pm
Unintentional support of ASM is in that category?

EDIT: Nevermind. Nice list :)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:46:37 pm
Also, does TI ever advertise their calcs on TV?
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 02:48:37 pm
Quote from: Juju on June 13, 2012, 02:46:07 pm
Unintentional support of ASM is in that category?

EDIT: Nevermind. Nice list :)
Not sure how it landed there. I might have moved the wrong thing around or a staff edited the post wrongly :P
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: Juju on June 13, 2012, 02:54:58 pm
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:46:37 pm
Also, does TI ever advertise their calcs on TV?
I think they did.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 04:44:50 pm
I doubt they do anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did in the past. I know Casio did a commercial of their first color screen calc in 1995 in France.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 04:54:44 pm
i've never seen any commercial of TI, but i think it's quite logical.. they don't sell to individual people (mostly not), but to companies, schools, groups etc. for those people you don't really need to advertise. Once you made fame in the world of calcs (like TI and casio did), you don't have to promote them anymore..

it might raise the profit a little, but it won't be enough to equal the price of the ads
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 05:28:27 pm
True, although back in the days, they seemed to put more emphasis on getting students to buy their own calc too, and over here even schools recommended students to buy a calc.

Of course even if that was still the case, however, TI has the monopoly so they don't need to advertise if their profits aren't threatened, not to mention they make money in far more stuff than just calculators.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: aeTIos on June 13, 2012, 06:36:59 pm
Dafuq, we all have to buy our own calc. (In the Netherlands)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: Adriweb on June 13, 2012, 07:38:15 pm
Same in France.

You'll never see schools getting you calcs. You'll have to buy it yourself in a store... They may just recommand some models, although each teacher will have its preference....
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2012, 08:16:06 pm
In USA most schools provides calcs for the students and even lend them. That's why in recent years there have been less calc coders sometimes, because those people get no link cable so no way to transfer their creation online. Over here they lent some calcs too but they were usually TI-82s and didn't have enough for the entire class.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: ruler501 on June 13, 2012, 10:25:29 pm
Not all students get calcs here. Only some do and those are usually 83+'s.
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: Darl181 on June 14, 2012, 12:43:48 am
I can say that they do lend out the calcs here (California), ranging from 82s to 84pses. Some of them seem to know about linking and such, idk whether it's because they looked up the calc on google or saw me playing stuff (also msd8x) :P  Tho I did point a dozen-plus people to ticalc.org, maybe it spread that way.

There's some people who have their own calcs too. :)
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 14, 2012, 09:14:22 am
I saw it being done in middle school and no later. In 7th grade we used TI-83+SEs and in 8th we used 84+s. After that we used our own.
Also, put in "1st post-2000 calc to officially suck" (2007 for TI).
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: aeTIos on June 14, 2012, 09:25:32 am
also, "1st post-2007 calc to officially not suck"
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 14, 2012, 09:29:57 am
(Casio, 2011; TI, never?)
1st calc to be banned from almost all standardized tests: TI: 1995, Casio: 2003
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: aeTIos on June 14, 2012, 10:10:35 am
Which calc was that?
Title: Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on June 14, 2012, 10:40:48 am
TI: TI-92, Casio: Classpad 300