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Title: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: alc112 on September 04, 2013, 11:56:04 am
Hello, this is my first post here. I'm from Argentina and I'm studying engineering. Currently, I'm using a Casio Fx 570ES. So far this calculator has been enough and I don't know of anyone in my school  who had needed a powerful calculator to get the degree.
As far as I've seen about this calculators, I would find pretty handy the extra memory to store more conversion factors or constants. Even though I don't know how the programming tools work, I think I could find a way to store for example  long formulas, right? I will not need graphics tools at all (just regression to calculate interpolation in tables), Stats, equation solver (especially for 3 unknown), integrals, derivatives functions are important.

So guys, what do you think? should I buy one of those calculators or my Fx570ES should be enough?

thank you!
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on September 04, 2013, 12:00:16 pm
Hello alc112, welcome to Omnimaga! Not knowing to much about either calculator, I can't say. From what I hear though, Engineers usually like Calculators with a CAS. Mainly the HP 50G or the TI-89.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 04, 2013, 12:09:05 pm
The good thing with the 9750 series is that it would allow you to create programs to automate some of your math tasks. The program editor can also be used to store formulas and notes, but make sure that it is allowed at math tests before doing so. I'm unsure if the calculator has an equation solver since it has been a long while since I have used mine.

In any case, if your school don't require more than your current calculator, then you should be fine with it. Someone who got a FX-9750G series would have to confirm if it features everything you want that you mentionned, though.

How much does that calculator cost where you live by the way? Over here when it's on sale it isn't that much more expensive than a scientific calculator (in Canada, the 9750G+ model was $25 while the 9750GII model is $50-60), but outside USA and Canada Casio calcs are sometimes very expensive.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Streetwalrus on September 04, 2013, 12:15:41 pm
/me recommends the TI-84+, TI-89 or HP Prime
/me runs
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 04, 2013, 12:16:26 pm
Except that those calcs are at least $60 higher than the 9750G.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: critor on September 04, 2013, 12:17:32 pm
Then buy a TI-83 Plus.fr USB from France! :)
It's exactly like a TI-84 Plus Silver Edition! ;)
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Streetwalrus on September 04, 2013, 12:17:42 pm
Well, a second handed 84+ is not that expensive (here around €40-60). ;)

Ninja-edit :
Then buy a TI-83 Plus.fr USB from France! :)
It's exactly like a TI-84 Plus Silver Edition! ;)
BTW I saw it in Auchan yesterday for €70. O.O with the €10 offer that makes €60. *.*/me wants, but Prime first
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 04, 2013, 12:21:45 pm
Then buy a TI-83 Plus.fr USB from France! :)
It's exactly like a TI-84 Plus Silver Edition! ;)
As I said, those are about $60 higher than the 9750GII. I don't know about Argentina, but in Canada, an FX-9750GII costs $59.99 (sometimes $39.99 on sale) while a TI-83 Plus costs $129.99 (sometimes $109.99 on sale) and a TI-84 Plus $149.99 (sometimes $119.99 on sale). Most international sellers don't ship outside their respective countries or continent and the few that does, especially Europe sellers, charges close to $50 for shipping.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: alc112 on September 04, 2013, 12:47:19 pm
The 9860 is 230 USd and the 9750 is 175 usd plus a shipping of more or less 15 USD but I will buy in Amazon International. The estimate final cost (taxes an duties included) are 128.48 for the 9860GII and 87.80 USD for the 9750GII.
I was checking the TIs models but I don't think I will get used very quickly and for example the key to write 10^n is missing and I use it very frequently.
thanks a lot for the replies so far :)

edit: this two calculator hvve the functions I need. I mean, the are far better than my current one which is able to do almost all I want (except programming, extra memory and graphing)
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 04, 2013, 12:54:19 pm
Darn, prices are insane in those countries x.x
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Streetwalrus on September 07, 2013, 02:44:24 am
I was checking the TIs models but I don't think I will get used very quickly and for example the key to write 10^n is missing and I use it very frequently.
thanks a lot for the replies so far :)
Hmmm, the graphing Casio calcs are way different than the scientific ones (though TI ones don't ressemble them much). Also 10^n does exist on every calc.

edit: this two calculator hvve the functions I need. I mean, the are far better than my current one which is able to do almost all I want (except programming, extra memory and graphing)
Again TI calcs are as good as Casio ones if not better IMHO. Though keep in mind I'm not forcing you to get a TI calc, just that I prefer them. ;)
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Eiyeron on September 07, 2013, 05:28:00 am
I got many calcs, most Casios but some TIses, and here is my opinion about monochrome ones:
With the Casio, the only advantage IMHO is the C SDKs, but that won't help doing math. THey have a quite good UI, enough intuitive. THeir bigger scrren (the monochromes one) can help seeing the graphs/stats.
THe best monochrome Casio simple calc for math is obviously the Graph100+, way outdated but still have a CAS. Except the Graph100+ there is the Classpad, more expensive and powerful, and has a touchpad screen and a CAS.

THe TIses are a bit less intuitiv, but when you get the grasp, it's quite easy to get fast some formulas. THey don't have a CAS ofr the 83/84/5, but the 89/92/VOyager are powerful, easy to use and have a well done CAS.
THe best TI calc for maths is obviously the 89+ or 92/voyager if you prefer having a full alphabetical keyboard.

FOr the monochrome ones the best calc for math for long term studies are the 89/92/Voyager. THey are powerful, simple, and quite useful for long math studies.
Title: Re: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 07, 2013, 12:09:42 pm
What I like about Casio calcs other than the AFX/g100/CP models is that the interface and button layout has been identical since 1990, even on the PRIZM. As a result it is not too hard to switch from a graphical model to another.

However, the menu names are confusing, so finding your commands can be hard. Also BASIC is much slower than on TI calcs (although it's not that bad on the FX-9860G/g85 models)
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Eiyeron on September 07, 2013, 12:35:48 pm
Wait, the AFX and the others don' thave the same UI. Some functions are placed womewhere else, like plot and equality functions...
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 07, 2013, 05:44:23 pm
Yeah the AFX has different menus, hence why I said "other than the AFX/g100/CP". The AFX menus are more like the ones on the HP 39gII and HP Prime calculators, as well as the OS 2.55MP keypad shortcuts. I should probably have mentionned the FX-7000g as well lol. And yeah just to tell how much cheaper some Casio calcs are, here are the prices of calcs in Canada from lowest to highest (before sale):

FX-9750GII: $60
FX-9860GII: $90
FX-9860GIIs: $90
FX-cg10: $130
TI-83 Plus: $130
TI-84 Plus: $143
TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition: $160
Classpad 400: $170
TI-Nspire CX: $170
TI-89 Titanium: $180
TI-Nspire CAS Touchpad: $180
TI-Nspire CX CAS: $200
HP 50g: $208

By the way, anyone knows what's the FX-9860GIIs? I never heard about it before ???
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: helder7 on September 07, 2013, 06:37:37 pm
A new model? Just a google search and found this:

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Graphing Calculator NY Schools - Special School Model. Allows students to input in a natural textbook display fashion but the fx-9860GII S outputs or displays results only in format allowed by schools. 4-AAA batteries included.

http://www.officeegghead.com/browse.ihtml?step=5&prodstoreid=12024&pid=1787475

Seems to have restrictions in output.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 07, 2013, 06:46:23 pm
Interesting, so I guess it's kinda like with the FX-cg10, which had image support modified to meet US tests standards.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: alc112 on September 08, 2013, 07:15:51 pm
Well, I ended up buying the 9750GII
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0C9jluVGKaQ/UP_wI4c9WXI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KCFnCZ3sAXA/s1600/1F0392E61.gif) the 40 usd difference is quite big for the few extra feutures of the 9860. Besides, I have to pay an extra 20% because our President doesn't want dolars to go outside the country.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0C9jluVGKaQ/UP_wI4c9WXI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KCFnCZ3sAXA/s1600/1F0392E61.gif) TIs or HPs calculators are out of my reach :( and used electric goods can't enter the country via mail.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0C9jluVGKaQ/UP_wI4c9WXI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KCFnCZ3sAXA/s1600/1F0392E61.gif) As far as I read, it is possible to upgrade the 9750 to have the same features of the 9860. So, why spend more? maybe it is faster but I can wait 2-5 seconds more.

I bought on Friday and I just received the tracking number. Fingers crossed  ;)
Thanks a lot for the help, guys!
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 08, 2013, 07:47:55 pm
By the way, does your 9750GII says USB Power Graphics 2 on the front cover? If not, then it is most likely possible to upgrade it to a FX-9860GII, although I don't think the author of the required tools allows redistributing all the needed files anymore (maybe due to legal reasons). I am unsure how risky it is, either, if you mess up during the process. For now you should be able to do quite a lot with the model that you just got, though, including writing programs. I think the 9750GII has identical speed as the 9860G, It just has fewer RAM (half of it) and no Flash storage space (meaning no add-ins, but you still got some space for programs).

Anyway I hope you get it soon! :)
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on September 09, 2013, 06:40:56 am
Well, I ended up buying the 9750GII
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0C9jluVGKaQ/UP_wI4c9WXI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KCFnCZ3sAXA/s1600/1F0392E61.gif) the 40 usd difference is quite big for the few extra feutures of the 9860. Besides, I have to pay an extra 20% because our President doesn't want dolars to go outside the country.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0C9jluVGKaQ/UP_wI4c9WXI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KCFnCZ3sAXA/s1600/1F0392E61.gif) TIs or HPs calculators are out of my reach :( and used electric goods can't enter the country via mail.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0C9jluVGKaQ/UP_wI4c9WXI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/KCFnCZ3sAXA/s1600/1F0392E61.gif) As far as I read, it is possible to upgrade the 9750 to have the same features of the 9860. So, why spend more? maybe it is faster but I can wait 2-5 seconds more.

I bought on Friday and I just received the tracking number. Fingers crossed  ;)
Thanks a lot for the help, guys!

Congratulations on your purchase. I hope it is very useful to you in your studies. It's a shame calculators are so expensive for you there. :/
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Eiyeron on September 09, 2013, 12:29:41 pm
For the il/legal filez, just check Planète-Casio :-∅
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 10, 2013, 12:21:51 pm
On a side note, does anyone know if the FX-9750G+ and CFX models (I think in France they are the non-USB Graph 25-65 models) have a DrawStat command?
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: northern_snow on September 12, 2013, 11:23:45 am
Congratulations!
I have to say that the 9750GII is FAR more powerful than TI-83/84, from hardware (faster CPU and larger memory) to software (once you upgrade it to 9860, you will see the familiar natural display on your 570ES. Also, CASIO does a better job in integration. Far more precision than TI)
Even if you own a Power Graphic 2 model, still you can upgrade it. But all the related information is in Chinese. Maybe you can contact chsi at cncalc.org for translation. ;)
www.cncalc.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=8335
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: Eiyeron on September 12, 2013, 11:46:05 am
20MHz, not overclocked... :D You'll get the grasp of intrusing a castle in Wolfenstein 3D, you'll have the head reversed with Gravity DUck ,and so on!
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: alc112 on September 12, 2013, 04:49:28 pm
Well, DHL called me about the calculator and there are some Customs clearance problems and I should travel 500 km to solve it. So, Amazon is taking responsabily and reshipping the calculator as soon as they have it in stock again ... 1 month XD
One reason why my country sucks to get imported goods :(


Congratulations!
I have to say that the 9750GII is FAR more powerful than TI-83/84, from hardware (faster CPU and larger memory) to software (once you upgrade it to 9860, you will see the familiar natural display on your 570ES. Also, CASIO does a better job in integration. Far more precision than TI)
Even if you own a Power Graphic 2 model, still you can upgrade it. But all the related information is in Chinese. Maybe you can contact chsi at cncalc.org for translation. ;)
www.cncalc.org/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=8335

wow! so they 9750 is a great choice! I'm a not a fan of the natural display, really :P

20MHz, not overclocked... :D You'll get the grasp of intrusing a castle in Wolfenstein 3D, you'll have the head reversed with Gravity DUck ,and so on!
lol, all this calculators can do that? I didn't find games for the 9750 :(
Title: Re: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 13, 2013, 12:03:23 pm
Clearance custom issues sucks. I had it happen with my 84+CSE in March because I used a private carrier (UPS) so there were hidden charges on delivery.
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on September 16, 2013, 05:33:12 pm
@alc112: Sorry to hear about your shipping issues. That is a pain to be sure. :( At least Amazon is taking care of it for you though. :)
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 16, 2013, 06:13:34 pm
What I don't understand is that I thought that Argentina was a free country, yet they banned TI calcs and international used electronic goods and added restrictions on other international electronics. This sounds a bit like North Korea and China with their censorship and bans on various items. >.< I guess I was misinformed about the state of the country.

That said, Canada isn't any better when it comes to online music streaming services... (only Rdio is available).
Title: Re: Should I buy a Casio 9750 or 9860 or stick withmy Fx 570ES?
Post by: alc112 on September 17, 2013, 04:23:50 pm
I didn't want to enter in offtopic but somehow you are right.
All the goods that doesn't enter via mail or people traspassing the borders  (these two ways pay 50% of the declared value if Customs decide to hold the package) NEEDS the personal  authorization of the Secretary of Domestic Trade. So, goods (even medicines that are not produced in the country) are held in the docks for months. And you have to be careful of what you say because all those business that needs to import goods depends on this person.
Dolars (money) are scarce and for that reason you have to pay 20% if you pay in dolars with your credit/debit cards. People that wants to visit another country need to start some paperwork to see if they can get some dollars legally and If the the government decides to give some, is ver very little money or none (and the tell you this a week before your flight). Legal dolar is arround AR$5.8 and the ilegal (we call it blue) is nearly AR$10.